kelly file. welcome back to "hannity," and this is a fox news alert, it is now day 14 of the greatest aviation mystery in history, and as the crews search the area, the mission is to locate the boeing triple 7. joining me is dan murphy, dan, what is the latest? >> well, sean, we know today marks two weeks since mh-370 disappeared. and they're still no closer to locating the debris, day three of this extensive search gets under way. the focus is of course these two

objects that were spotted by satellite some two and a half thousand kilometers off the coast of perth. what we know is despite favorable weather conditions yesterday, authorities have been unable to locate them. we also know that no new information has come about as a result of these two objects. we do understand that one of them is believed to be around 24 meters in length. the other one around five meters. but given the size of the search area some 23,000 square kilometers inside that has been likened many times before to electronics, trying to find a needle in a hay stack. the australian maritime authority says its focus is just to continue to search for survivors on board this flight and search for these objects that may or may not be linked to the aircraft. but the australian prime minister, tony abbott is remaining very realistic about the prospects of the search and

being very cautious not to provide too much hope. >> hey, dan if you're still with us. it is a 215 miles from perth, australia, they expect that the drift could be out a couple of hundred miles more, it raises questions about the aircraft that australia is using to search for the wreckage. as i understand it it has about 13 hours of flight time, that means four or five hours back, and maybe two hours to search, and four hours back. so that makes it more difficult, correct? >> absolutely, given not only the vast size of the search area but the distance of the air base here in australia where the assets have been leaving it does take several hours to get out to the search zone, and then the search zones only have around two hours to conduct their search before they have to turn around to refuel, so later on throughout this search we will be seeing additional aircraft coming in from china and japan

to assist in their efforts, but certainly this is no easy task. >> dan when you talk about weather conditions i understand they sometimes have 30 to 40-feet swells. when you talk about favorable conditions that may mean eight to ten swells, right? >> absolutely, this area just off the coast of western australia is extremely deep, you mentioned though as very high swells they could be a problem earlier on throughout this search. we've also been hearing reports out in the search zone that there is very poor visibility as a result of some quite heavy rain and clouds. yesterday, we did see some favorable conditions. so it is hoped that throughout today we'll be able to have a little bit more luck. >> all right, dan, thank you so much. and catalina flores will be joining us later in the program. and joining me now on the program is fox's own jennifer griffin, jennifer, you have been

following it closely. it seems it is not a long period of time that they have been able to search. seems like a long distance that they have to fly out of perth. >> well, according to the u.s. navy officials involved in the search they have covered 125,000 miles so far. for the next 24 hours, the crew of the poseidon, the navy's most sophisticated aircraft, will rest. the maintenance will be done on the plane, it spent hours out today, and returned empty handed. it will return flying on sunday, we're told. meanwhile, the clock is ticking. >> it is about the most inaccessible spot as you can imagine on the face of the earth. but if there is anything down there we'll find it. >> when the u.s. navy's p-3 orion plane is airborne again, it will fly near the cocos islands, they're not searching for pinging devices but instead they will use equipment that can

see pieces the size of a basketball. the spokesperson said the images seen may have been cargo containers that fell off a ship. the search has cost the military $2.5 million so far. and an official said they only set aside just $4 million for the mission. in a phone call between u.s. defense secretary chuck hagel and his malaysian counterpart, this morning the malaysians asked for high tech surveillance equipment, a type of sonar, sean. >> just to clarify it was about 125,000 square miles that we're talking about? the search area? >> that is the search area that the u.s. planes have been flying since this first started. >> all right, jennifer griffin, appreciate you joining us. now on the phone is the commander, william marks is with us, one of the americans helping to search for the aircraft. and he is also with us. we're going to check in, in just

a moment. sir, you're out there with the fleet, tell us the latest from your perspective, sir. >> the p-3 did have a miss yesterday. it is a long way out there. the transit both to and from the area is a majority of the flight. and then once they get there, they do have about three hours on station time. but they're searching the entire flight. so the latest, what they usually do is they will fly at about 5,000 feet or so. and that gets the best radar return. so the p-3 has a very advanced search radar. what i tell people is, if we fly over something we're going to see it. so there is a flight out there. they came out to a thousand feet, even less than that, to get either a visual picture of it with a camera. or just a visual id with a

lookout. so it has a lot of options. the weather was pretty bad two days ago. and then a little better yesterday. but even in bad weather these are all weather aircraft. they're designed for all weather capability. and so the experts in the back, the air crew, they adjust their flight for the optimal search pattern. if they want to focus on using the radar they can do that. if instead they want to fly a little lower to get visual id, so every flight is a little different. it is based on the environment, the transit time and based on what you're looking for. so -- >> commander -- >> the air crews are amazing and doing a great job out there. >> commander it is very reassuring that you say your search abilities have all of this capability here. i may be asking a very naive and simple question, every time we get on an airplane we hear don't forget about the flotation

devices. usually we're sitting on it. wouldn't we expect at least one would come to the surface, and something you would be able to find based on the equipment you're describing? >> both the p-3 and the p-8 have the capability of find iing something that small. we have found debris, wooden crates, things like that, of course nothing associated with air wreckage. so we do pick it up on our radar. so it is certainly within the realm of possibility to pick something like that up. and it is just really a matter, it is a huge area. if you take a map of the united states and superimpose that in the end ocean stretching from the bay of bengal down to australia, this is like trying

to find a person somewhere to new york and california. you just don't know where. >> it -- >> it is a huge expansive area. >> that is a vivid illustration, thank you. luca, thank you for being with us. from on oceanographers's perspective, that would almost sound like mission impossible. >> well, what we can help with is a possible site where we need to look around. and then we can try to help and determine how things might have moved. mainly the debris. and you know, i think the best assets are deployed out there. if there is something out there they will find it.

certainly, the more time goes by the more difficult it becomes because the debris will tend to disperse. so you start from a region where there is a high concentration. and then you move to a region where the concentration is lower and lower. and so even with the best technology it may become a little harder to detect. but you know -- >> let me ask you this. worse case scenario, we don't find this immediately. this search is not complete. look, we've made substantial technological advances, is this something that you think as an oceanographer that they will be able to see, if it is out there? >> searching the entire bottom -- >> we're talking about massive, massive miles, square miles, and even in a small area we're talking about 125,000 square

miles is massive in and of itself. and that is only a small portion of the area we're talking about. luca, thank you, and coming back up, we'll head to the reporters and check this womwith them in . and in a moment, we'll see on the board where the investigators focused their search earlier today. and later, lieutenant general tom mcinerney is going to tell us about his sources and tell us about the possibility of the whereabouts of the missing triple 7. straight ahead. [ sniffles, coughs ] shhhh! i have a cold with this annoying runny nose. [ sniffles ] i better take something. [ male announcer ] dayquil cold and flu doesn't treat all that. it doesn't? [ male anner ] alka-seltzer plus fights your worst cold symptoms

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this is a new mexico ne-- a alert, now earlier today we learned the pentagon had spent 5 million on the search for the jet. now, former adviser to the u.k., ministry of defense, i'm 6:01, how tall are you? >> i'm not wearing heels s eit. last night we talked about this 1500 mile stretch, which is the focus, the problem is it takes five hours to get there, five hours t hours to search. with the inclement weather, it is proving really hard to search, we talked about the p-3 orion last night, as you point out, five hours to get back, five hours straight, this type of ship comes back. it has got thermal imaging displays, that is great if you look for survivors, unfortunately in this case i don't think it is a likely scenario, these drones have it over baghdad, suck up all the when you look at a vast amount of area, let's go to the next map. >> okay. >> now, wow -- >> the area we're talking about -- >> uh-huh. >> is that. that is 125,000 square miles. >> and if we look at the circle, if you just make it a little bit bigger, how many miles we talked about it. multiply it by 15. >> let's just look at the basic formula, this actually comes out around 30 million square miles. and what we have to remember is,

is that anywhere outside of 200 miles of this coastline, there is no primary or secondary radar. so there is no way even if we had primary and secondary radar traces there is no way that you can detect anything on here. let's look at the air france flight, the air france 447 flight, we knew where it was because the transponder was on. we know where it was because of acars, we know where the general transponder was, but it was two years after the location. so what it shows is the small path here, if nothing is conclusive here. >> you can expand it out anywhere. and especially when you interstastart here and we're looking down here, again, another part of the puzzle. i want to set everybody up, when we come back this will be interesting, general mcinerney has sources that tell him that in fact the plane may have landed here in pakistan, would

it have the fuel range to go here and there? because it is about a 7,000 mile range as i understand, the boeing triple 7. >> that is certainly one factor, would it have the capacity -- >> would it be here? like that would be the flight path. am i right? >> yeah, it would. there are bigger factors sean at play to why i don't think that is a very realistic scenario. >> all right, we'll explain it when we come back, michael kay will join us with lieutenant general mcinerney. they will discuss the possibility the plane may have landed safely in pakistan. and our experts are in studio, let not your heart be troubled. this special edition of "hannity" straight ahead. lobsterfest is the king of all promotions! it's red lobster's lobsterfest! the year's largest selection of lobster entrees, like lobster lover's dream. hurry in and sea food differently. go to red lobster.com for ten dollars off with purchase of two lobsterfest entrees.

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and this is a fox news alert, the international search for possible plane debris is not over, even though today's ten-hour search of the indian ocean came up with nothing. joining me now, if he thinks this is the right place for them to be focusing their efforts. fox news, general tom mcinerney, general, how are you? i wanted to bring michael into the segment because i want to show everybody exactly what you think it is, where the plane went. so you really believe it is a good chance, your sources are telling you and what you think is that this plane may have landed in pakistan? >> that is correct, sean.

i believe it took a westerly course, there is indications the last known track on the transponder and the only known radar skin paint heads directly towards india. and i believe that it ended up in pakistan or could have been iran. probably not going to be in pakistan anymore with all of this discussion about it. but the fact is, i believe it was landed. i believe it was hijacked. i do not believe that i've seen any credible evidence except maybe the inmarsat comments about the indian ocean. >> right sn. >> but that is a vast area. >> and just to remind people, general, you believe because of the time line in all of this. in other words, the transponder is off. acars is off, and then it was manually put in the computer, a new flight path. and then we have a sense of direction based on the hours it was in the air, and the pinging

came up. is that a good summation of why you believe that? >> yes, and the distance from kuala lumpur, to beijing, from kuala lumpur to lahore, pakistan, the fuel that they have makes it very plausible. the other thing i think it is important to say. the pilot and co-pilot is two very devout muslims. it is against their religion to commit suicide which is the strategy of going out into the south indian ocean and just crashing the airplane. that doesn't make sense to me, they can kill themselves if they're a martyr, a shahid, that has not been declared. i have heard no logic why the planes would have gone into the south indian ocean. >> and going back to the pilot. we have analyzed the t-shirt he had, democracy is dead, his support of the opposition leader, anwar ibrahim. that all factors into your

thinking. but the other thing is you have people you're talking to, sources you don't want to reveal. correct? >> that is correct. >> all right, now, we call it the "hannity" big board, general. so you're claiming as it took off from kuala lumpur, the original flight path would have been up here to beijing. if i can steal this here, we would go right down here. that would be the flight path we take normally? now general, i know you're able to see this. we know it went up. and why don't we take it from here. from there it made a westward turn. michael? >> yeah, i think the majority of the general's analysis is pretty spot on from a geo-political perspecti perspective. but i used to effectively command the top gun for equivalent. i used to teach radar and teach the transponders, how they work, and i used to teach people how to command the radar. so i'm very familiar with the general sort of hypothesis.

so we know any radar position would be positioned on the coast, and they got an ability to see any traffic out to about 200 miles out from the coast. anything greater than that it is not going to see. >> so let's start where the flight started here and take us to the path that we believe the plane took, and then let's see how we can get it to pakistan, why don't you draw that out for our audience so they can see it. >> there are two options, we can either go via the sea track up towards pakistan. >> is that about equally distant, by the way, compared to where the destination is? >> it looks feasible. now, for me this would be the most feasible option because you're outside of radar coverage. now, why is this really important? well, we know when the two chinooks in the osama bin laden raid crossed the afghan border to get there, they were picked up after ten minutes by

pakistani radar. they were flying 100 feet in a very mountainous region -- >> michael, let me interrupt. >> that is incorrect what michael said. i can't say anymore. they thought they did. but the fact was, what he said was incorrect? >> which part -- >> you're talking about the raid -- the osama bin laden raid? >> the f-16s did not pick up the helicopters period, can't say anymore. >> the area radar picked up the helicopters and they were launched. >> and general you're saying the radar did not pick up the helicopters? >> that is correct. >> okay, well, let's not get off on a tangent, you're saying radar may not have picked up this plane based on if it went far enough here so that makes the general's theory somewhat enough plausible. >> if this was the sea track --

>> are we looking out here? >> that would be a feasible option in my book. up until you get to coasting in. now, when you get to coasting in, pakistan's area radar is very sensitive. it has been in a long conflict with india. it is very sensitive and so it will pick up anything that is unidentified on squawk. that is not part of the flight plan, so in my hypothesis, the only way an aircraft would get to pakistan would be in the acquiesence of the pakistani government. >> you believe, general, that in fact pakistan would know about this and be complicit. can you explain why you believe that? >> i believe the isi was complicit just like they were complicit in knowing where osama bin laden was. for what reason they were complicit and what is going on i don't have that answer. but i believe to have done that

they would have had governmental being complicit, primarily the isi that let that happen. and as the boeing source said, that they landed in the quote taliban part of pakistan, which really means the western part of pakistan. there are three bases there. >> you did say you have a boeing source that told you this? >> no, there was a boeing source, sean, in the lignet web page. >> okay. >> that pointed that out. and you checked with boeing -- >> i have checked with them, too, they're not answering many questions if any at all. last question, general, a lot of people wrote to me about the things you're saying. they feel you're a serious person who has served this country with great distinction and that you really have gone out on a limb here. to what degree do you believe you're correct here? because i'm at the point that

yes, the transponder is off, yes, to ache acars is off. you have gone out, you think this happened. others think it may have crashed into the indian ocean, to what degree forward do you put together this hypothesis? >> well, the best i can, with the information i have. not all the information is out along with the pilot simulator, i still believe there is a 60 to 75% chance that i am correct. the aircraft did not crash, and it will be used in a future, radical islamist terrorist movement. >> i just would not want to speculate on the geo-political aspects of what the isi would have done. i am merely speaking on a tactical aspect -- >> this is the pakistan border right here. >> primary and secondary radar

coverage does not extend out to more than 200 miles of any coastal region, any sovereign area will have highly sensitive defenses -- >> this fits in with the general's theory? >> if indeed what he is saying, that it got to pakistan, if it c configures, but -- where the pakistan government is complicit is where i sort of break off. >> general, thank you, we'll continue to follow your theory, and also michael kay, they will answer your questions, you have been sending us all day on twitter. and first lady, she is in china, talk about being out of touch. is doing his brack brackets. we have a problem in ukraine. we have a bad economy. is there an out of touchness, and we'll weigh the appropriateness of this. the obamas, do they understand

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stomach pain, upset, or burning. if you or someone you love has afib not caused by a heart valve problem... ...ask your doctor about reducing the risk of stroke with pradaxa. welcome back to "hannity," so after two weeks of an intensive internal search, on the missing flight 370, we have former cia operative, mike baker, aviation expert, sal lagonia, all right, gentlemen, you have been getting questions on twitter and facebook, he writes is it possible for a transponder and acars system to be turned off? sal, the easy answer we know they were turned off prior to the pilot saying good night, right? >> that is a big problem with the fire theory, not only would

it have to have been done after the sign-off, but we also have to say it is selective fire, it is only shutting off the acars, the transponder, but not the auto pilot. >> mike, you agree with that? >> well, sean, i think it is important to know the limitations of what is going on in the cockpit of a jet, so i'm going to have to punt this one over. >> i think absolutely yes, you have the transponder in the acars units going into it. you have all sorts of feeds, what are the engines doing, the cabin pressure? you have all of these speeds going into the cockpit and so there is a high chance that a cockpit fire could destroy some of the feeds and render them

ini inoperable. >> all right, earl writes if it crashed into the indian ocean could a sub detect it using sonar, etcetera to find it at the bottom? >> and sure it can. we had the air crash sub that gave it a good indication. you have to have a perimeter. we're just looking at too vast an area. >> yeah, i think that is well said. mike baker. >> yeah, i've been involved with sonar operations in the past, you have to have a way to define the search area. you can't just say look, we're going to look into the entire end ocean. >> we talked about 125,000 square miles. and that is only a small portion of the indian ocean, what do you think, michael? >> yeah, this is a map shown. the benefit we had here, the

transponder and the acars actually zoned in a little bit. but the positive thing the black boxes were under the ocean for two years before they were discovered. and that means the gps which has a 30-day battery life would have run out. >> we had a smaller indication where it went down, that is a huge difference, two years later. >> exactly, as mike points out. >> and from facebook, dan writes, if flight 370 continues to go undiscovered, how much longer will they search? >> sal, i imagine they have to look for a long time. >> they have to look for a long time, this is a boeing airplane, american-made airplane, we have to know what happened. find the black boxes, the debris, even the debris alone will help us analyze it and get a good indication of did the thing blow up? land somewhere? is it even there? >> good point, mike baker, your thoughts, how long does it go

on? >> well, it will resolve it until they're successful finding it. that is the short answer, jennifer griffin pointed out the reality of the budgeting aspect. and it will be how much the military is willing to devote to this. but ultimately the search will go on until they resolve the problem. >> all right, mike we'll go back to the big board. you have the last comment. >> they're actually spot on, we're looking down 125,000 square miles, the incident happened here. we know potentially it is somewhere in the middle of that. how many resources do we have? where do you draw the line? >> and as the guests said earlier in the program it is not just looking for a needle in a hay stack. it is one person standing in the middle of the united states and trying to find that person. that is how difficult it is. thank you, on the "hannity" big board tonight. sal, good to see you, mike thank you so much. coming up here next on "hannity." apologize for doing it, but

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malaysian government can't seem to find a missing plane the size of a football field, well, this is what your commander-in-chief seems to be focusing on. >> it must stink that you can't run three times. >> actually, i think it is a good idea, if i ran a third time it would seem like a third "hangover" movie. i didn't really work out. the truth is generally i look very sharp in jeans. my pick? michigan state, bring it home for me. it has been a while since i won my pool. >> apologize for doing it. but i broke your re-tweet record. >> i heard about that. i thought it was a pretty cheap stunt myself. >> picking connecticut to play notre dame. who gets their first loss of the season. i think this time connecticut is

going to get them. >> of course, he had to get both the men's and women's bracket picks in. plus his wife, michelle, is now playing ping pong on the taxpayer's dime. joining me, peter johnson jr., and fox news contributor, tamra holder. gentlemen, why do i think getting embarrassed on the world stage, putin mocking him, humiliating him, and of course we have a bad economy, that all of this added up is a horrible visual for the american people? >> it is a horrible visual for you because you're not his demographic. but you know who elected this guy? women, young people, minorities, they love this stuff. these are his people. if we had the same voting demographics we had in 1979, he

wouldn't have won. he is just appealing to people who got him in office. >> i'm having a stroke right now, i can't believe you're saying these are his people, minorities, young people, women. these are american people that the republicans like yourself, the conservatives, are leaving out. whatever it is, non-democrat, big difference, non-democrat are leaving out. and you are not going to get those voters, who are they going to vote for? >> a talk show, that makes perfect sense. >> let me go to peter, voice of reason. >> he is going to be doing ventriloquistism next, and plate spinning, it is ridiculous, sean, you're absolutely right. is this the image of our president whether he is wearing mom jeans or picking up the bracket. or with zach, and they're being

cute with each other and demeaning the presidency, and nobody can get a job, and people are afraid of the stock market. and crimea and russia in the >> we're being embarrassed on the world stage. 50 million americans on food stamps. and in poverty. nine # million americans not participating in the labor force and michelle is going on a junkett to china? >> this is called -- >> hell just froze over. >> let me ask you a trivia question. do you know what the name of the trip is called? gentle diplomacy trip, which is obama speak for taxpayers are paying for family vacation. the thing is that, are you listening? >> i'm sweating. she got it right. >> night at presidential

suite at the westin. princess diana was feeding the poor, sick children with aids the families like flying around. >> well said >> i think she's flipped. she's a real -- >> i am thinking here. >> the problem is that we're thinking of obama... >> you didn't want her to vote. >> he seems like a cool black guy he's not. he's a single guy. >> help me out oochl think of him, his brain is a single mom brain he's his mother, doing single mom stuff. more money for the poor. sending his gail over to china like oprah would. >> a single mom? >> i agree. >> i think you would agree and you would agree, sean, single moms are the heart and soul of the country.

>> the heart and soul. >> he's not exemplifying real single moms in this country. >> i think he's personifying them. >> really? >> maybe sitcom single moms. but not real single moms. >> i pulled off five goals when he was running for office for middle class. it was creating jobs and blah blah blah. none of this is what he's doing for america. >> when we come back, we go back to australia. catalina flores from australia is standing by with the latest in the search for the missing jet as we continue this news-breaking edition of "hannity".

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locate any debris. joining me is catalina flores >> today's search will focus on an area two and a half kilo meters involved in the search will be three australian orions, a express jet, u.s. navy posiedon. yesterday's search was unsuccessful despite much better weather. because of the better weather, the aircraft instead knew really low to the water and they used a visual search, meaning people looking out of the window looking for the debris. you can imagine, this is a very vast expanse of ocean, very

rough and tough. unfortunately good news is that weather is much better but the search was unsuccessful. the plan here is to do the same. so they'll try to go in and try to go low. and see what they can see out of the windows as well as having eyes on the ground in terms of both merchant chips they'll try, also, to acquire more satellite imagery so they a better idea of where, where exactly they're looking for debris. >> we showed earlier in the program, by the way, thanks for joining us we showed earlier in the program we showed 125,000 square miles, only a small portion of the amount of ocean we're talking about here. would we have better luck, perhaps, or some professionals you're talking to in australia? saying they may have better luck if we use that imaging?

how hard to find the debris. we're about five days past where they're located so we're a little bit over in terms of where it may be now. they're trying to, i guess, yes. access more satellite imagery to pinpoint where it could have floated. the ocean area is rough. the current is quick. it's, i guess everyone intelligence from across the world is watching at this point. >> catalina thank you for being with us and that is all the time we have left this evening. before we go, we don't want want

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