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huckabee. good night and god bless. it has turned into one of the greatest aviation mysteries of all time. the disappearance of malaysia airlines flight 370 with 239 souls onboard. well could to a kelly file special report. of the mystery of flight 370. tonight we take you inside the story. how it happened as it happened. the questions we've answered and the riddled that remain. our story starts with the news of the missing plane first breaking on the kelly file friday night.
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fox news alert, we have breaking news tonight on a missing commercial jet. we learn the plane left kuala lumpur and never arrived at its destination. soon it's revealed that two stolen passports were used by passengers to board that plane. that detail parking the first real suspicions that may have been no accident. the air line calls in a disaster recover company, fearing the worst but saying quote, we are not ruling anything out. meantime, former faa official tells us the following:one of the things that has in some of these newer boeing aircraft is that they are constantly connected with all of their important data that is constantly being communicated to their home ways base. >> but sunday march 9, reports surfaced that that plane may have turned around, not northeast but south west to the
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indian ocean but the search still continues off malaysia's east coast. the monday after the disappearance, the new york times reports the search area is expanding. there's wide speculation over the aircraft's fate. a character named mr. ali emerges. the one way tickets were bought last minute and paid for in cash. the possibility of a hijacking is seriously considered. experts tell the kelly file they suspect foul play. >> i think it was a criminal act. the 777 is such a reliable airplane. i can't imagine that there was some sort of structural malfunction that was enough to bring this airplane down. the men with the stolen passports are identified as iran nationals. the new twist in the search for
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that missing malaysia airline jet that seemingly disappeared into thin air with two 239 peop onboard. a malaysia official is confirming the flight one hundreds of miles off course before it wept off radar. conflicting information continues to come from the malaysians as the route changes come under more scrutiny. is there any chance that these were confused pilots and that they thought when they made the u-turn they were going the direction they meant to be going? >> that would be lottery odd, i would suspect. with those pilots and what their expertise or their experience no, there was something that caused that airplane to turn and go south. >> day five, a wednesday. we learn the final words from the cockpit were a seemingly calm, all right, goodnight. no mayday call was ever issued. certain grows that this was deliberate. >> i think as cia director
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brennan has stated right now at least even with the fact pattern that you described you cannot rule out terrorism at this point. >> then the chinese released two satellite images of what they suggest may be two pieces of wreckage. the very next day, that lead falls apart. >> new reports tonight that the plane's communication system was shut down manually and not because of catastrophic failure. also, the wall street journal is now reporting that this plane, this is the new information, flew up to five hours, five hours after communications went dark. u.s. investigators are now reportedly looking into the possibility that it was diverted to a secret location. >> the chinese admit their satellite images were a false ala alarm. but now almost a week has passed. >> at the end of the day you have a plane that was going
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erratically in different directions and going up and down and this raises the question as i was saying before as who was controlling the plane at that point? was it someone that didn't know how to fly a plane. >> attention increases on the pilots. police so far had not searched their homes. we also learn the plane made significant changes in altitude after it reversed course. suspicions grow that the aircraft may be hidden somewhere. >> i believe definitely it landed some place. hi, do not know. i would look at all airfields 7,500 feet in length in pakistan and eastern iran. by saturday, malaysia declares this is a criminal matter. >> this movement are consistent with deliberate action by someone on the plane. >> in a bomb shell development, it emerged that the plane was detected by satellites through
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8:11 a.m. the day it disappeared nearly eight hours after take off and seven hours after air traffic control last site of the aircraft. still no answers where it was going on why. the search has expanded to a danting area including the northern and southern track in the indian ocean. sunday, march 16, authorities claim the communication system, known as acars was disabled before the pilots last words to air traffic control leading to questions about why the crew did not raise this issue. the timing of the acar shut down would later be called in a shut down. that same day malaysia's government reveals the captain's personal fliekt simulaght simul being examined. we learn the co-pilot uttered the final words the flight. all right, goodnight. the number of countries involved in the search has grown from 14
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to 26 and then. >> according to officials, they are telling me at least within the first 26 minutes of the flight the pilots were already changing the flight path. we now know that within those first 26 minutes, they had reprogrammed the flight plan and were already starting to turn west far before they even stienstien sign off with air traffic control. the reason why remains a mystery. malaysian authorities reveal the plane's communication system could have been shut down any time between 1:07 and 1:37 a.m. the total search area is now more than two million square nautical miles. the next day we learned that files had been deleted from the
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captain's at home simulator but what files and why? the fbi steps in to help as the families of the missing reaches a breaking point. on thursday march 20, potentially big news from australia who's prime minister says satellites have spotted debris off the west coast that may belong to the missing plane that lines up with a southern path identified as one possible route for the plane. two large objects are spotted from the sky but not by initial searchers who head to the spot. officials underscore it could be reunrelated to the plane. >> figuring out why 370 came to rest does not answer the why or the how. just ahead, the unavoidable questions about the two men flying this jet. what we know and what we do not. hi, everyone this is a youtube video that i made as a community
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service -- >> plus, was this a hijacking? an act of terror or something else? our panel of pilots, investigators and insiders from the intel community. all ahead on the mystery of flight 3 sext don3. 370. 6
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. at first flight 370 was just delayed. then missing and then feared crashed. but a fourth idea started to take hold within 24 hours of take off, that it plane had been hijacked. our chief intelligence correspondent has been tracking that part of the story from washington. >> reporter: within hours of the jet's dairs peerns investigators focused on two painings who used stolen passports to board flight 370. the men purchased those ticket through an iranian middle man. intelligence officials emphasize that while the men's profiles were run through multiple databases, no positive hits for terrorism were found. it was later determined that at least one of the iranians was meeting his mother in germany. while all the passenger back grounds were scrubbed, malaysian investigators would not rule anything out. >> we are looking into four
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areas -- >> u.s. officials were also open to the possibility of terrorism. >> we know that there are terrorists group would are still determined to carry them out against aircraft. >> days later the malaysian government was quick to down-play hijacking reports. >> despite media reports that the plane was hijacked, i wish to be very clear, we are still investigating all possibilities as to what caused mh 370 to deviate from its original flight path. >> with 152 chinese nationals among the missing passengers, beijing said there was no terrorism link to its citizens. malaysian investigators refoc refocused their efforts on the pilots with the fbi getting deeply involved. >> we're working with the authorities in malaysia, trying to offer whatever assistance that we can but at this point, i
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don't think we have any theories that i could propound. >> with dramatic changes in the aircraft's altitude reported, former inintelligetlielligence land security officials say the pilots may have taken heroic action. >> once the wreckage and presumably the aircraft's black boxes are found, investigators will determine whether flight 370 was taken down by a criminal act or a catastrophic event. >> joining me now with more mike boyd, peter brooks a former cia officer and former deputy assistant defense secretary. peter, let me start with you on this. in light of the most recent developments looking down on the side of australia many saying this is consist with a flight path that would have been on
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autopilot and would have gone past an alternate airport. do you believe that terrorism or hijacking is dmiminished. so as little as we know about possible motivations, i am not ruling any of those of the above out at this point. >> mike, same question to you. >> absolutely. we don't know anything yet. all we know is that the airplane disappeared. at this point in time, there are plausible arguments that it could have been a zombie airplane due to something going wrong in the cockpit but there's a lot of other information that has come out misinformation in some cases from the malaysians that would indicate to me something is kind of rotten in. it could have been a terrorist act. >> you mean they were suffering
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from no oxygen and were flying incapacitate incapacitated. i want to ask you this because many pilots have said don't throw these pilots under the bus because they may have been heroes who were struggling to save this plane from mechanical failure. that may explain the coordinates typed in and then the continuation down south winding up some place west of australia. >> well, you know i'll not ready to throw anybody under the bus at this point. however, in addition to being a pilot i've been a criminal lawyer for the last 18 years. i know that a proper investigation begins with ascertaining fablcts. unfortunately to me the facts sul suggest this was a crime. the one key fact was that the aircraft made a dramatic turn to the west and it made that turn prior to the co-pilot making his
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last transition to air traf rfi control. >> that is a key point. the scott brenner who is a former faa official was at the faa on 9\11 is the one who broke this here and others have questioned it. we questioned it that very night, mike, because they were saying, the transponder was -- tracked the plane prior to that and it doesn't match up. in other words, the ascertainable aid ascertain able radar data doesn't support that assertion. what we do know is that a destination that was west and not in the plane's original journey, was programmed in, prior to when they signed off from air traffic control. i'm not sure what we can get interest that. >> well, we do know they did not put 7,700 in the transponders which is the emergency code. they didn't put 7500 which is
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the hijack code. they put nothing in there accept it was turned off so it has to lead one to the inference that it was a human involvement in this and it has to be a hijacking or a stolen aircraft. >> mike? >> no, i have to agree entirely. and for safety's sake we have to assume that going forward if someone has this airplane and that's a real stretch, and wants to do something with it, sometime in the next 12 months, they might do something with it. we need to look into those options. but i have to agree with the lawyer, it doesn't look good. we can make excuses but there's too many points here that just don't add up. >> peter brooke, we had a lieutenant general on the program who suggests this plane may have made it to pakistan. your thoughts on it? >> well, i mean, tom, is a friend of mine and i understand his theory there. what gives some plausibility to it and i would like to know more
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about is why israel has reacted to strongly to the disappearance of this aircraft. i can't add any more than to what tom is told us based because he has the sources. but, a few nights ago, we talked about how israel is very concerned and putting their air traffic controllers and their air defense systems on high alert. so what do they know that the rest of us may not know if anything about the disposition of this aircraft. >> uh-huh. a lot of the officials we've had on the broadcast have told us, even off the air, that they believe the american officials probably know much more than they are letting on no matter what that information leads to. mechanical issues, terrorism, issues, what have you. very, thank you. >> thank you. >> well, so many disasters are eventually blamed on pilot air. what if this one was different. what about the suggestion that these pilots may have intended to cause harm, that it wasn't an
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welcome back. well, whatever happened aboard this missing jetliner, there's one thing that did not happen. there was not a single warning,
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not a radio call, not an emergency beacon, no may day call, no sign of trouble. that has resulted in a number of questions about these two men. we take a look at what we learned about the captain, the co-pilot and what was happening in that cockpit. >> reporter: one plane, 239 lives dependent on the character, judgment, and expertise of these pilots. deliberate or accident? what happened on flight 370 will always reflect on what these two men did or did not do. 53 year old captain, joined the airline in 1981. 18,000 hours of experience. he also built a home flight simulator. police later seized to retrieve files deleted on february 3. files which could show he practiced how to steal this plane or he may have simply cleaned his hard drive.
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he's also suspect for his politics. just hours before he took control of flight 370, the government sentenced his distant relative and opposition leader to jail. to some meaningless, to others a motive. this all leads to the cockpit with the pilot himself and co-pilot. >> also in focus, first officer, age 27. he joined malaysian air five years ago and just graduated to the 777. its his voice last heard from the plane disappears with no sense of distress. this 2011 photo shows him with two women. he invited into the cockpit for an hour of smoking and flirting. one called the experience friendly but sleaze sleazy. he took my friends hand and said you're a very creative person. >> malaysia said the two pilots did not request to fly together
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that day which suggests if this was a deliberate act one pilot would have to incapacitate the other. >> wow. back now to our panel. fox news aviation analyst, former chommercial jet instructor. good to see you both back. so the lack of a may day call, kathleen, this is the point on which so many people who want to give the pilots of the doubt get hung up on. your thoughts on it. >> i don't get hung up on at all. i can tell you as a former airline pilot and airline instructor. i don't find this all that unusual. as everyone knows from watching the news the past few days, basically first you aviate and fly the airplane, then you navigate. if you have time, you communicate. i think potentially what happened was to sudden, so catastrophic, that they didn't have time to react and to tally make that call.
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>> walk us through that because it's a person you say how can you not have time to press a button and say mayday. >> well, we do know there was a very good chance the captain was at the controls because when one flies one is not tflying made te radio call. it would be interesting to see if we could determine if there were earlier radio calls made. i would be very interested to know if we heard the captain's voice once we took off. if the captain was on the air when they were flying from cal a from beijing there's a very good chance that there was a inflight problem or emergency. in something like that in a crisis what a captain might say is you have the airplane, i am going to work the problem. you have the radios. so i would really like to hear those air traffic control tapes and see if possibly the captain
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had been on the radio earlier. >> our information had been but this is just from one faa source that the captain had not been on the radio on this airplane journey. mike, your thoughts on it because the on sense of the may day call. many people have talked about it yet we learned in the pane stuart airplane crash which was a so called zombie flight where the decompression had happened and no one was flying the aircraft, there wasn't a mayday situation there, either. >> no, because it was a catastrophic incident that took the airplane out. >> it flew for several hours before it crashed. >> absolutely that could be the case. there's no question. again, the question is was the airplane turned by the pilot? was it turned by the navigation system. those are all open questions. there's a will the of plausible answers here. i still smell something. one thing that bothers me is the assumption that the trajectory that the airplane was making
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last time there was contact with it was something they would keep. if it was a hijacked airplane and we didn't know where it was after the last contract that could have been taken up north, south, east, west. that really complicates the matter. >> something could have gone wrong after that everybody who knows them say they are good guys. they love their air lines they love to fly airplanes. >> yeah. the captain has been with the company basically over 30 years. the co-pilot had some girls in the cockpit so he's a red-blooded 20 year old guy and his technique isn't very good. other than that, there's nothing else we know that that's really negative about these two guys. >> yeah, you know, wound up falling in love and meeting the right woman according to all accounts. the pilots wife just left him according to some reports. thank you both. >> well, whatever happened to this plane, soifrpers are now
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this one day after vladimir putin signed bills officially absorbing the region into russia. now more on a special edition of "the kelly files". sts beaten, w understand. we're watching that situation unfold overnight. welcome back to our kelly file special. the mystery of flight 370. for now. the focus of the search involves a patch of water more than a thousand miles from anywhere. that is just the beginning of this challenge. trace gallager has that part of our part. the reason they are focusing so heavily oint southern indian ocean is because there's no confirm of radar that it kept flying on a northward path. there's radar data that indicates that it was flying
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west and then south. mindi finding debris may be the easiest part because beyond that the hurdles become extremely high. first experts will use mathematical models of currents to see how far the debris drifted when they agree on a generally vicinity buoys can be dropped in water to pick up transmitter. the pings can only be detected from a mile away and the batteries only last 30 days. that means they would send manned or unmanned subs but the plane could be 12,000 feet deep, about the same as titanic or the air france plane that crashed back in 2009. that crash debris was found in five days but it took two years and $100 million to recover the black boxes. add to that the indian ocean is under for under water volume cane oez, erj kwass.
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>> good gracious, thank you. we're going to turn now to our experts. former ntsb, faa investigators, a commercial pilot and an aviation accident investigator and captain chuck nash, a fox news military contributor. let me start with you on this doctor, the thought of going 2 1/2 to three miles under the ocean to try to find bits and pieces that may or may not be there, seems overwhelming, how do they start? >> well, that you're right. we've done it before in west indian ocean, we found a 747 south african air ways lost one back in 807. it took them two years. they knew roughly where the aircraft was. they didn't get to it while the pingers were still operational. this took them two years.
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they did get one of the black boxes up. this answered the riddle. >> shawn, look at these -- they call this body of ocean, the roarierroroaring 40s. how are they supposed to even search out there. >> well, you're exactly right. extremely challenging and very adverse conditions, right? so part of this is using gps technology which is something that is far more accessible now then in the past investigations, some of the other guests have talked about. but using that technology with known search patterns. these folks are trained to do this. they know how to do this but that still doesn't negate the size of the task at hand. just a tremendous volume to cover. >> captain nash we're told that once they are down there they
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can use binoculars and infrared cameras. do you feel confident that if something is there they will find it. >> it's going to be very difficult. in the sea state that you pointed out with 32 foot waves, what you have there are essentially little 32 foot rolling hills that radar won't penetrate. so if you have something in the trough of a wave and what you're looking at suddenly popped up on the top of a wave and disappears again and you're sweeping your radar or looking out the window it can make it very difficult even though you're looking at the right area at the right time, you're still looking through a soda straw and a wave moves it and it's gone. >> how much confidence do you feel in this particular search area because the experts like you would get together, they would do math. they would figure out the currents. they would know where to look, we assume, but that's when you know, generally, where the plane descended. >> obviously. once we establish whether or not
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these debris on top of the water are part of the aircraft, then we know where to start. but, you know, we've talked bay needle in a haystack, right now we're looking at a needle in nebraska. we may find a needle in a hay field but once we find the haystack if we do it in the next few weeks while the pingers are operational. we'll be able to find it particularly if the u.s. navy sends a fleet to that area. we have a few of the newer aircraft but the erie onorions ones. >> you know shawn we've been told that we have 29 vessels out there searching and that 25 of them are pursuing this southern arc. it certainly seems that those in the know believe that thind may the south indian ocean. >> i think you're exactly right.
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i think this is where the searc the data we have now. we have to go on what we have. as little as it is, it certainly points to this area and i think this is where the investigation is going to need to focus. >> captain nash for those watching, hopes hi, hopes not to high? >> i don't think would be spending the time bringing the prime minister of australia to a news conference to talk about this evidence or this debris that they found and to be concentrating on what is such a desolate part of the planet. they are looking at a particular area of that. something, i think, led them there, and my hopes are up. >> yeah, the defense minister of australia called this a logistical nightmare. gentlemen, thank you. >> well, the relatives of those onboard the plane have had a roller coaster ride of heart break, anger, suspicion as they question how the malaysian
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government has handled it from the start. that part of the investigation is next. >> these two ladies had loved ones on board. the last 12 days, they've been given no information whatsoever. people are falling over, being shoved by the authorities. the women are trying to stand up. i'm at the front of this. i'm going to
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people are falling over, being shoved by the authorities. the women are trying to stand up. i'm at the front of this, i'm going to try to stay out of the wait while i'm still reporting for you. they are literally shoving people out of the way. this is one of the family members. she's been shoved and she can't move. 239 souls onboard that aircraft. these two ladies had loved ones onboard. the last 12 days, they've been given no information whatsoever. >> this is pend em ammonium. a sky news reporter describing
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out government officials. >> reporter: draggicomplaints a this probe had been heard around the world. moik vo mark, a former faa attorney. gentlemen, good to see you all. i spoke with the senior executive, the satellite group that tracked this group, heading west ward first and foremost. they knew it. two days later they told the malaysian authorities no later than the wednesday when the plane went missing. yet malaysia allowed the focus to be on the east coast of malaysia and doesn't come out until almost five days later to see we should be searching on the west coast not the east coast. that incompetence peter, or is that something worse than incompetence? >> well, there's a lot of things at play here. first of all, you have to remember that this aircraft is a
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national airlines. it's not a private company. so the government is responsible for it. we also, i think, our expectations are very high because we're so blessed with having such terrific law enforcement and intelligence and public relations skilled here in the united states. my view is that in some cases, i don't know this but my sense is that this tragedy as we believe it is now, exceeded the capacity of the malaysian government to deal with it. i'm not sure there was any malfeasance involved here or intended incompetence. our expectations are quite high because of the country we live. mark, i left out a third option, which is not incompetence but good old fashioned responsibility because that seem satellite communications executive said, look, we wanted to run down leads. it's not a smoking gun. they didn't want to sort of get
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everybody engaged on the wrong coast before they really had confidence that the information was right. but that's just one of many things the malaysian government has done that has concerned people. >> well, i think, the flow of information has been very troubling in terms of not only its speed or lack of speed but also the fact that they haven't really provided, it seems, reliable information. i think it's very difficult because the facts are simply not there yet. the malaysian government in many respects is sitting and wasting as it relates to locating the airplane. the investigation, certainly the investigation has started but it's very difficult to investigate an aircraft accident until you've located the aircraft. >> let me ask you about that how much of this anguish and frustration is just born of that. the fact that tragedy has struck and there's no answers to give. >> i think you've put your finger on it in terms of these scenes we've seen of the families. i've handled many, many, airline accidents on behalf of the airlines, the number one thing
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that the families want, the number one thing is information. the airlines that we represent, i represent, are very sophisticated in dealing with these sorts of situations. we train very hard. malaysia airlines has procedured for this sort of thing but the families want information. that information doesn't come from the airlines. it comes from the investigators. the investigators are in fact, the malaysian government. >> mike, you have to imagine how terrible it is for these families. one day it's hijacking, the next day it's catastrophic mechanical failure. the next day it could be terrorism. i one day the chinese are saying it's over here. the next day the australians are over here. then we learn it's the most isolated part in the world waves in the sea. you have to sit and worry about your loved ones. >> yeah, the anguish must be
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intolerable. where i drag the malaysians into this. there is a term you learn when you try to explain what happened. is we don't know. you don't let anything out unless you're sure it's accurate. that can he with accuse the malaisians of doing. we had miss information about when this thing lost contact, where it made a turn. they really have handled this at best, incompetently, and as a 52% airline owned by the government, you have to ask yourself some questions. >> you do. and you can see the anguish there which would be existent no matter what here. but with all the conflicting information and the crazy turns t that it investigation has taken you have to feel especially for these famil
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welcome back, the mystery of this missing plane has captured the world's attention. and we want to know how it is making people feel about flying. pollster frank luntz put that question to his group, watch what happens. >> we heard from the experts, now let's hear from the american people. how many of you are nervous to fly based on what is going on right now? why are you nervous? >> well, i would be nervous to fly internationally, that is for sure. it doesn't seem like the type of background checks or the checks that they're doing overseas in these other countries like malaysia even come close to the competence we put forward here, if we're even that competent. >> there was only one american on that plane, clearly we were not targeted. >> all i can say, 30 years ago i flew, and they were checking out
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toth -- tooth paste then. and if we had better profiling, screening, i would not be afraid to fly. >> you want better profiling? >> racial profiling? yes, that's what the israelis have been doing for decades. no, they professional their passengers as to background, beliefs, political activity, and likelihood of carrying weapons. >> who else is worried about flying because of what is going on. let's go back there, tell me why. >> well, i feel much more comfortable to fly with a well known airline, british airways, klm, because they have money to put to the security issues and they really have a kind of -- very well known. so not to do small airlines. >> just the fact these guys got on the plane with two stolen passports, that really scares me. >> stay with us, our special coverage of the missing flight 370 continues right after this. with at&t's new pricing for families
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buttons. what phones are supposed to have? one for each number. so-called smartphones have two, maybe three buttons max. that's neat, but what do you do when you want to dial a four? it's not so smart then, is it? (laughter) nice phone, dude. thanks! smart phones make life easier. that's why esurance is introducing video appraisal. you can use your smart phone to video chat with a claims expert. they'll assess the damage and help settle your claim faster than ever. welcome to the modern world. esurance. backed by allstate. click or call. we want to know what you think happened to this aircraft. tell us what you think at facebook.com/thekellyfile. and follow me on twitter @megynkelly, let me know your thoughts. thank you for joining us, i'm megyn kelly, this is a special kelly file.
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>> sts it's still too early to be definite, but obviously we have now had a number of very incredible leads and there is increasing hope, no more than hope. no more than hope, that we might be on the road to discovering what did happen to this ill-fated aircraft. >> the australian prime minister tony abbott just moments ago. reporting live, the chinese today releasing satellite images of a floating object, about the same size, 74 feet by 43 feet. and in about the same

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