>> sts it's still too early to be definite, but obviously we have now had a number of very incredible leads and there is increasing hope, no more than hope. no more than hope, that we might be on the road to discovering what did happen to this ill-fated aircraft. >> the australian prime minister tony abbott just moments ago. reporting live, the chinese today releasing satellite images of a floating object, about the same size, 74 feet by 43 feet. and in about the same location

in the indian ocean. as one of the objects in the satellite images released earlier this week by the australians. experts tell us the matching images from two different satellites from two different countries is the strongest clue so far of what happened to the malaysian airliner that vanished 16 long days ago, with 239 souls on board, igniting one of history's most intriguing and troubling mysteries. it's dalite sunday in the area and as many as eight search planes and an international flotilla, including elements of our seventh fleet have resumed the search. but there's a storm coming, with wind gusts expected from 50 to 75 miles per hour in the next 24 hours. although the possibility, ladies and gentlemen, is as real today as it was two weeks ago, so is

the possibility that what we are dealing with here is a terrible, horrible accident, like a fire that overcame the crew, as they changed course, before they could communicate their dilemma. is that a real possibility? dr. allen geel. former faa and ntsb investigator is our first guest, joining us via skype from albuquerque. could this have been an accident, or do you credit terrorism or sabotage? what happened to this aircraft? >> well, obviously, geraldo, we don't know. but i would -- based on 40 years of looking at these things, if i would was a betting man, i'd bet we have an accident. there's a 777 accident that fits the scenario. egypt air, i call it cairo gate, the jet has 300 passengers

aboard the aircraft. a fire breaks over the co-pilot. the captain sends the co-pilot to get the passengers out. within a couple minutes, there's a gaping hole where the co-pilot's seat was. if this happened at 35,000 feet, you could have the pilots sucked out of that cockpit. >> let me just get right to the point here. the three rules, when there's a disaster in the air, you've got to get the airplane on the ground. you've got to fly it, aviate. you've grot to find a field to land it, navigate. after you find the field to land it, and you're heading to safety, you've got to communicate. is it possible that there was a fire in that cockpit, the aviate part happened, the navigate part happened, but before they could communicate, somehow those

pilots were disabled? is that even remotely possible? >> i think it's highly likely. but again, this is only with the data we have right now, geraldo. i believe it appears that the captain use the auto pilot to make that turn. the radar data suggests it was a gradual turn like the auto pilot would make. he was headed for lankawi airport, and the other thing about lankawi, you make the approach over water. so you're not going to fly over downtown kuala lumpur with all that population. you're approaching over water. he never got there, obviously. i think they were disabled. the aircraft flew on radar. and there's another accident that kind of explains the vertical gyrations that we saw on radar. that's the heel yos, greek airline, slow decompletion. the pilots pass out.

the flight attendant walks into the cockpit, takes control, but the plane runs out of gas. we lost that plane when it ran out of gas. everybody thinks this triple 7 through for about seven hours. we can talk about the two turns, the initial left turn we discussed. and then you have to explain a second left -- likely left turn. it's not speculation, but based on preliminary data. >> so you are voting, you the author of air safety investigators, former ntsb, you vote accident? >> i think that's likely, but we're still looking at everything, geraldo, you know that. >> stand by. former fbi agents chris boss and carl heron join us. and former commercial pilot robert mark and former american airlines 777 pilot jesse dixon. beginning with pilot jesse dixon of american airlines, you flew

the 777. pilot dixon, what do you think? was this an accident, or do you believe there's no way in hell those pilots would not have communicated their plight to the ground if they were indeed on fire? >> well, i agree. i think from everything that i've heard that it was not an accident. i think had there been smoke or something in that cockpit, those guys would have communicated. they would have said something. they would have started a descent. they would have turned that airplane back around toward the nearest airport. that's just procedure. they would have got those oxygen masks on. but i think the timing of everything is what strikes me as being strange. the way the communications, the transponders were turned off, the acars and the sat comwas turned off -- >> that's the transponder that

automatically signals the aircraft's altitude, its speed, its identity. but it has to be turned on. and it was turned off in this case. >> it was turned off. >> does that indicate to you, jesse, that this was an intentional act by the crew or by someone who had taken over that cockpit? >> to me, it does. and it indicates that something happened at just the right time, with that left turn, just in between the two radar system coverage areas. that is particularly of importance, i think. and then the airplane made a hard left turn over the ocean where there's no radar. so i find that to be a bit strange. >> stand by, jesse dixon, former 777 pilot. let me just ask you this before i move on to the other guests. is it possible to land a 777, could you land a fully laden 777

on, say, a dirt road? >> probably. i think a better question is, could i land that triple 7 on a remote, uncontrolled field with probably around 4,000 feet? absolutely. >> and do you, let me go to christopher, the founder of indict us group. he's not here. we'll get to him. chris boss, you investigated the tragedy of twa 800 off the south coast of long island. i know you've been thinking about how to investigate this disaster, even if they have not found the wreckage. even if no wreckage exists, isn't there plenty of investigation like the twa 800 investigation that could go on in the meantime? >> yeah, there's a lot here. and if i could talk in, the focus has been on the communication from the flight crew. three things about the communication. the first thing, of course, i

find it very hard to believe they were in trouble and they never would have communicated they were in trouble. the second thing that the plane started to make a turn and then they communicated calmly afterwards while they were fighting a disaster, with no sound whatsoever, even an oxygen mask. i tifind that impossible to believe. and i think the final communication -- all right goodnight -- is an abnormality and it is unusual for them to not self-identify the plane, mh 360 at that time. we see that a lot. at the beginning of a crime, they say, i did this, did i ti that. then i went downtown. then they're disassociated from

the aircraft. >> so are you saying in a subtle way that you believe this aircraft was hijacked? do you believe the pilots did something? what do you, carl heron, former navy seal, what do you believe? >> are you speaking to chris or mow? >> i'm sorry. that's chris haven he's not here yet. chris, you tell me what you believe. >> i think it looks like a crime. the initial indicators make me very suspicious of the flight crew. >> why the flight crew? why not an intruder in the cockpit? >> because of the calmness of the communications. the three things i've talked about. >> i don't understand why that crisp message is suspect. when you say "all right goodnight," pilots pride themselves on their succinctness. >> and their professionalism. first of all, it's unusual for them not to do the

self-identifier, mh 360. in the context of that transcript that's been released, there's 13 communications from the flight crew, and that's the only communication when they're entering someone's airspace or leaving someone's airspace they don't self-identity. it's the only time it happens, when they're being handed off with other flight controllers. so at bear minimum, it was unprofessional and it may have been an indication something else was going on in the mind. >> maybe it was a third or fourth person talking and not the crew at all. >> that's why you need to listen to the tape recording and i think they have identified that voice as being the co-pilot. >> gentlemen, please stand by. we are gathering and producing this as it is happening. up next, have satellites found the missing airliner? are we dealing with a tragic accident, ladies and gentlemen? is this an act of mass murder? or is this a mystery that may

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>> the fbi's conducted many, many, many worldwide investigations and has a lot of expertise. and quite frankly, getting to those files is very important to see if this pilot practiced certain procedures or if he practiced waypoints that were along his route. we could learn a lot. or we could learn nothing. >> a match between a chinese satellite and an australian satellite, both finding wreckage. the wreckage checks out about the same size. 1,500 miles to the southwest of australia. is this satellite match cause for optimism, or is this just a derelict shipping container

floating there in the indian ocean -- in the south indian ocean? in the furious four days there at the latitude with the wind blowing, a storm is coming, a storm that could disrupt the search efforts. continuing our fox news special report on what is the most confounding aviation mys the 21st century. is it a crime? is it an accident? is it an enigma? we're continuing with four men of enormous credibility. in the upper left, former fbi agent chris voss. on the right, former fbi crisis response agent carl heron. in the lower right, former commercial pilot for american airlines, jesse dixon jr. in the lower left, robert moore, a former commercial pilot and i haven't spoken much to you, robert. does this seem sinister to you,

or is this a terrible accident? >> well, i think something we have to keep in mind. we keep looking for the choice. which check box do we have. i think there's a possibility we have a situation that began one way and evolved into something else. we don't know someone didn't take control of the airplane and then run into a situation later that took them out in terms of keeping control of the airplane. >> but what i don't understand, let me go to jesse dixon jr, i remember the payne stewart leer jet. he took off from a golf tournament, i believe it was in florida, heading to his house, lost communication once the leer jet reached cruising altitude. they scrambled fighter jets, looked in the windows of payne stewart's aircraft, the windows were fogged over and everyone on board was already dead. the leer jet continued flying for hours until it finally

impacted in a field in the midwest. why couldn't that have happened here, jesse dixon? >> the difference in this particular situation is obviously they had some kind of decompression situation, and the pilots failed to get their oxygen masks on in time. the transponders, if i remember, were not turned off on that particular airplane. that's the difference in the situation. the transponders were turned off. that's the only way to identify this aircraft positively. and the a cars and stuff were turned off. that's something that just doesn't add up and does not compare with the first accident you talked about. >> chris voss, former fbi agent, what about the turning off of those communications? one talks to the radar, the other talks to ground control. what about the intentional or the obvious cessation of communication? is it possible that there was an electrical fire that killed the

communications abilities? >> well, the sequencing of the loss of the communication devices, combined with the turns and then the communication from the flight crew itself is pretty much eliminates that. it doesn't add up that those things would have been happening and the plane would have been starting to get disabled and there would have been a calm communication from the flight crew. >> and yet robert, if the pilot was going to commit suicide, he doesn't have to take a seven-hour right to do it? >> no. no, i don't think anybody -- fact, if you listen to the discussions we've been having lately, i think this whole suicide possibility seems to have kind of disappeared. again, whether it was a hijacking or a mechanical or some combination, you know, there's just not that many possibilities. >> so not that many possibilities, and yet, we are confounded. because we have not found this aircraft. are you a betting man, robert? do you think they have -- do you

share the optimism of the australian prime minister? yes or no, i've got to take a break. >> i do actually. because i think maybe i'm trying to put myself a bit in the shoes of the families. i don't ever want to give

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>> right now, everything points to the co-pilot in my opinion. because he's the guy who's last talking when he's way off course. this travels at 562 miles per hour, this was 90 miles off course and he was the last to be talking. >> that gentleman blames the co-pilot.

continuing our fox special news report. will this ever be resolved? we're joined now on your left by -- on your right, dr. alan diehl, former faa and ntsb investigation. on the left, that's carl heron. carl, if this is an act of terrorism, why has there been no claim of credit? >> i'd like to say this. you can't rule out anything, accident or criminal act. and the claim, you know, we've had the boston bombing. there was no claim of credit, and also the shooting at ft. hood. once again, those are lone-wolf type incidents, but what i will say, the deliberate actions that were taken, the rerouting of the airplane, the turning the

transponder off, not communicating, those things there would take someone with the knowledge, skills, and ability. so from an investigation point, you would start with the two people in the cockpit. >> and so let's say you check them out. i know there's been some talk of the pilot making a last-minute phone call before he took off, a mystery phone call, as if it's big news that a pilot about to fly off is calling someone in his life and saying goodbye or see you later, see you tomorrow. i'm sure they can check frensically who he called. he had to -- if it was a cellphone, it had to hit a cell tower. is it not a fact that the call should be easily traceable? >> yes, that should be something they should be able to trace who he called right before the flight took off. >> all right, carl, stand by. dr. diehl, you hear everyone saying the transponder was cut off and the courses were changed

and still you maintain it's consistent with a horrifying accident in the cockpit, how do you explain the fact that they did these actions after they said goodnight? >> herageraldo, i listen to a lf cockpit voice recorders. i have a pilot's license. i know pilots tend not to panic. if you had a sudden explosion, yes, you can lose those due to an electronic cutoff. they may not even have known. i know there's a 777 pilot here with us tonight. if i remember right, on the 777 on the ♪ [ male announcer ] how could a luminous protein in jellyfish, impact life expectancy in the u.s., real estate in hong kong, and the optics industry in germany? at t. rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global ecomy.

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the same area. it's believed this is the reclusive nation's way of pro-testing joint military drills between the u.s. and south korea. north korea claiming its launches are just part of routine drills. i'm mariaan ranne rafferty. now back to "geraldo rivera reports."hat they have been told, there's no way a catastrophic event turned that transponder off. somebody had to manually turn it off. >> this is a fox news alert. reporting live, the chinese today releasing those satellite images of a floating object about the same size, 74 feet by 43 feet, in about the same location as one of the objects seen in satellite images released earlier this week bite australians. so the chinese and the

australians both spot this wreckage floating in the south indian ocean. experts tell us the matching images from these two different satellites and the strongest clue so far about what happened to the malaysian airliner that vanished 16 days ago. 239 souls on board. igniting one of history's most intriguing and troubling aviation mysteries. that was senator chambliss. dr. diehl, before the break, you were suggestion before the break, there was a scenario where it was an accident, a mechanical failure or such. you were just about it illustrate it for us. go ahead. >> the 777 is a lot like the 767. if you get confused it and turn it the wrong way, it could shut the transponder down.

>> is it possible what dr. diehl suggests? >> possible to turn that nob to the left. i can't imagine a pilot doing that, though, to be honest with you. >> even in a smoke-filled cockpit, even in a moment of -- >> even under those circumstances, i can't imagine a guy doing that. i think too he would probably communicate and that had not happened either. so i don't think so. >> all right, craig has been in a simulator for 777 cockpit. let's go now to craig's report. >> one of the aspects of the disappearance of flight 370, the fbi has now been brought in to investigate this disappearance by looking at the pilot's whole flight simulator. jay le buff is a flight simulator expert and a manufacturer. there are deleted files on this pilot's home simulator. is it possible for forensic experts, the fbi, to recover

those deleted files? >> i think so. i hope so. at least, it will tell us what it was he was practicing. and what locations he was aiming for and what the headings and settings were that he put into that flight sim. >> the designated path from kuala lumpur to beijing, china, was programmed into the aircraft's flight management computer, which controls speed, direction, even altitude. but according to the transpon r transponder, 26 minutes after takeoff, that prearranged course was dramatically altered. was it ahijacking, or a rogue act by the pilot? or was the crew seeking an emergency landing field? >> they altered the flight plan in the flight management computer 12 minutes before they signed off to air traffic control, which meant they had already executed a turn that altered them out of the flight plan that they filed for that

trip. >> at 1:19 a.m., the co-pilot speaks with malaysian air traffic control for the last time. the controller advises the co-pilot to switch to a new radio frequency used by vietnamese air traffic controllers. vietnam is the next country along the flight's originally scheduled route. in that conversation, the co-pilot says nothing about the previous course change, responding simply, all right goodnight, which is what fuels the suspicion of foul play and makes less likely the idea that an on-board accident or emergency has occurred. remember, that calm, final "all right goodnight" comes 12 minutes after flight 370 made the dramatic left-hand turn. >> it doesn't pass the smell test. >> someone had to manually go in and redirect the plane? >> absolutely. that's the way it was done. this panel is communicating back through satellite. that's how we know how the

modification to the flight plan was made. >> two minutes after the last voice transmission, the plane's transponder fails or is shut off. the aircraft then flies on its new course, but erratically up and down. >> they flipped that off. and then they altered altitude. they went high, then they went low. one aspect of the intense forensic investigation was whether there was premeditated. the captain had practiced maneuvers on his home simulator and deleted the files. >> the pilot deleted the files that he had, so there was no evidence of what he was practicing. gone, gone. >> like it never appeared. they want to find the aircraft and they want to find what the mental attitude of this captain and co-pilot was.

and what it was that they were practicing. so we get some idea of what they were thinking. >> as with any potentially criminal probe, an fbi forensics team in virginia will soon attempt to match any data recovered with the real lives of the pilot and co-pilot, e-mails, texts, known associates, policies, and personal histories. meantime, the search has remained fruitless, costing millions of dollars. as anguished loved ones wait, but without a working transponder or acars communication system and over a million square miles of ocean to search, there's no guarantee flight 370 will ever be found. >> when a transponder is turned off on an aircraft, what does it look like? >> right here right now, 3 senc70, we have the data block,

altitude, time shared with the speed of the aircraft. that's given to us through a secondary radar and a transponder in the airplane. >> what happens when it's turned off? >> this portion of it will disappear. >> at the school of aviation on long island, joe d'onofrio and thomas daily believe mandatory changes are long overdue, making it impossible for anyone to disable an aircraft's transponder. >> the only reason to turn it off would be if there was some type of criminal intent. and you're trying to cloak or mask your presence. >> so what do you think should be done about that? >> once that off button is pressed, an alert should go out that the system was turned off in the air. similar to the amber alert, which we know works. >> you believe the technology is possible? >> yes, sir. i did some of the early tests for lo jack and these systems work.

we can find cars that are lost, cellphones that are lost. why wouldn't we be able to find an airplane with 239 souls on board? >> the deleted flight simulator files from captain zaharie's home flight simulator may implicate him in a crime. his students call him a dedicated instructor. authorities caution he and his co-pilot are innocent until proven otherwise. >> craig, thanks for the demonstration. really makes it very clear. you know, one point i want to make, the malaysian authorities, the way they treated the victims, the survivors of the -- i shouldn't say victims. the passengers on board, allowing the media to mob that poor woman, they knew -- the malaysian authorities knew, i don't want to see that. it's breaking my heart. the malaysian authorities were contacted by a company called

inmarsat, a global satellite communications company used by mariners, we used it when we sailed around the world, craig and i. they told the malaysian authorities within two days after that aircraft disappeared, that it was in the south indian ocean. and for two or three days, the malaysian government did not share that information with our officials from the seventh fleet or with any of the other nations that were searching the wrong side of the malaysian -- they were in the wrong ocean. wasting all that time. i mean, shame on the malaysian government. we've got a lot to t

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>> daylight sunday now in the area of the search. as many as eight search planes and an international flotilla, including elements of our seventh fleet have resumed searching for any sign of debris, associated with the dramatic satellite images i've been telling you about. the seventh fleet spokesman joins us. good morning, commander. how big a problem is the weather going to be? >> good morning. a few days ago, weather was quite an issue. it's gotten better yesterday and looks to be better today. weather is always a concern. fortunately, the software on our

p-8, to the west-southwest of perth, australia, that software is very advanced. weather does, of course negatively impact visibility, meaning when we get down low, real low, for the human lookout, to catch things. so we always use a balanced approach, and the aircrew in the back, that's their expertise. they choose the best censor that's right for the current environment. so at this time, what we can do, fly at about 5,000 feet, use our advance surface radar. if we want to get lower, we have infrared. we have electrocamera sensors. if we want to get lower, we can look out with binoculars to get a visual. so the experts in the back of the aircraft adjust their search plan for the most optimal plan

based on the weather. but it does look to be getting better. >> are you coordinating with the vessels from china, from the other nations, australia, britain is involved. how are you coordinating the search? >> this is such a great effort. it's very encouraging to see. in the southern indians ocean, the effort is led by the australians. the u.s. is in support of that. in the northern indian ocean, being led by the malaysians and we support that too. what's great is a day where this very close coordination allows for each of our countries to have a maintenance day. we make sure the aircrews are rested. not everyone is using the same frequencies and talking over each other, conflicting altitudes and search areas. this is a well coordinated effort. credit to the malaysians,

australians, and all the countries in the region. it's a very complex, dynamic environment, and it just shows the good coordination at the tactical maritime professional level. >> commander, i know that you're in charge of the public relations for the entire seventh fleet. and your relationship with the host countries is crucial, but you must be angry at the fact that the malaysians did not inform you for two days of the inmarsat sighting of the probable downed aircraft, or at least the inmarsat communicating, the satellite company, that it was in the south indian ocean, not in the china sea, not in the andaman sea, and they didn't tell you for two days, you were looking in the wrong ocean, commander. >> well, i wouldn't say we're angry with anyone. and i really don't know where the thing could have landed. you know, we are getting the reports of satellite imagery

about 1,500 miles west of perth, as you know. but our ship and aircraft naturally operate in the south china sea area. so at the time of the initial report of the aircraft going down, our ships are always in that general vicinity. we do 80-plus exercises a year. so it was not a long distance at all to go for -- at the time two of our destroyers. and we're used to this. the first thing we do in case of a search and rescue, we get our destroyers and launch the helicopters, search and rescue platform when within the radius of a hundred miles or so. >> i really need to go, sir, but i appreciate your service. tell everybody we hope they succeed, to put the minds of the families at ease. i know it's a very difficult time and i know you're stressed

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>> i'm joined now by christopher, a former navy seal and kathleen, former flight instructor and fox news contributor. welcome both. kathleen, i know you disagree with the suspicious nature of the final communication by the co-pilot to the ground, all

right goodnight. why do you see that as not suspicious? >> completely disagree. i can say in my experience, as an airline pilot, even saying something as casual as see ya is not that unheard of. you're not supposed to do it. it's not the formal way to do it. but late in the middle of the night, it's not unusual. and something that hasn't been hit on that much, yesterday a transcript was released. we don't know if it's official yet. but there's a newspaper in england saying they got a copy of this transcript. what we see in there is that air traffic control actually says to the malaysian airlines jet two, possibly three times, goodnight. they say that phrase -- goodnight. so i think as a courtesy, hearing that so many times that the co-pilot would respond and say, all right, goodnight. >> christopher, you're a former navy seal. what do you see is going on here? >> i think he had pretty good

manners despite what his intentions may have been. but i think it was just the s k sequence of events that happened to make that thing disappear off every radar in that area. things were shut off, untrackable, untraceable, no active pinging. too much stuff happened happen stance. it just doesn't make sense. it sounds like it was something that was definitely planned out. >> wait a second. if that is so, then do you discredit this notion that the debris that's been spotted by the satellites is indeed this flight? >> i would doubt it. this area of the indian ocean there is known as the dustbin. because a lot of the currents take a lot of sea crap into that region. that's a fact. nothing on that plane is 40 feet wide, nothing. wing tip to wing tip is 200

feet. tip to tail is 200 feet. nothing is 40 feet wide. >> that's not true. the wing root is about 40 feet wide. >> the what? >> the wing root. >> so kathleen, you believe that this is the wreckage? >> no, no. i don't believe this is a wreckage. >> you do not believe it's the wreckage? >> it would be wonderful if the airplane did have an untimely disaster. if it's a wreckage, i think it would be nice for closure, but i don't believe at this time that it is the wreckage. >> i agree. >> do you think the plane was snatched and taken? do you think this plane still exists then? >> i hope that it doesn't. i'm not saying i wish death on anybody. but i think for the whole world right now, the best scenario that could happen, including for the families, like kathleen said for closure, is that it did go down in the

>> we could have a very, very big problem on our hands. >> chris, do you really credit that? i think it's almost remote that they flew this to pakistan to use this against israel or some such. >> i agree. anything that i say, anything that kathleen says, any of your guests tonight is purely speculation and i'm not going to sit here and put my foot in my mouth, but i'm just saying the sequence of events that happened, from the minute that plane took off, the minute it disappeared, it seems too perfect in the way it happened. it's just, you know, and i -- and other guests have mentioned this too. we lost amelia earhart's plane 77 years ago. our ability to find a plane isn't any better? by all intents and purposes. that's kind of astounding.

>> that's a good point. we have never lost a full-size airline ever in the history of the world. this would be the first time. >> like kathleen says, i don't think this debris is a part of this plane just due to the region where it's at, what they call that area, the dust bin. a lot of stuff floats there. >> it could be a floating container. we could have done an entire night long program. we try to cram it all in one hour. i appreciate you coming out. kathleen as well. thank you very much for coming. stay tuned for fox news won

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