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have a great week. and we'll see you next "fox news sunday." >> announcer: "fox news sunday" is a presentation of fox news. it has turned into one of the greatest aviation mysteries of all time. the disappearance of malaysia airline flight 370, with 239 souls on board. welcome to a "kelly file" special report. the mystery of flight 370. tonight, we take you inside the story. how it happened, as it happened. the questions we've answered and the riddles that remain. our story starts with the news of the missing plane first breaking on "the kelly file," march 7th, early saturday morning, malaysia time. fox news alert. we have breaking news tonight on a missing commercial jet.
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we learned the plane left kuala lumpur and never arrived at its destination. worried families awaiting loved ones see "delayed" on the beijing airport screens. soon, it's revealed that two stolen passports were used by passengers to board that plane. that detail sparking the first real suspicions that this may have been no accident. the airline calls in a disaster recovery company, fearing the worst. but saying, quote, we are not ruling anything out. meantime, former faa official, scott brenner, tells us the following. >> one of the things that has -- one of the advances we've seen in some of these newer boeing aircraft is they are constantly connected with all their important data that's constantly being communicated to their home base. >> reporter: by sunday, march 9th, reports surfaced that this plane may have turned around, heading not northeast, but southwest to the indian ocean, but the search still continues off malaysia's east coast.
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the monday afternoon the disappearance, "the new york times" reports the search area is expanding. there is wide speculation over the aircraft's fate. a character named mr. ali emerges, an iranian, who paid for the journeys of the men with a stolen passports. the one-way tickets were bought last minute and paid for in cash. the possibility of a hijacking is seriously considered. and experts tell "the kelly file," they suspect foul play. >> i think it was a criminal act. the 777 is such a reliable airplane, i can't imagine that there was some sort of structural malfunction that was enough to bring this airplane down. >> reporter: the men with the stolen passports are identified as iranian nationals, but authorities discount any links to terrorism, suggesting their goal was to emigrate to europe. this as we learn more about the plane's curious track. >> a new twist in the search for that missing malaysian airline
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jet that seemingly disappeared into thin air with 239 people on board. a high-ranking malaysia military official, the ones conducting the investigation, is now confirming flight 370 went hundreds of miles off-course before it went offradar. >> reporter: conflicting information continues to come from the malaysians, while the plane's dramatic route changes come under more scrutiny. >> is there any chance, mike, that these were confused pilots? i don't know what may have happened to shut off the transponder, but they thought when they made the u-turn that they were going the direction they were meant to be going? >> that would be lottery odds, i suspect. those pilots with their expertise or their experience, no, there was something that caused that airplane to turn and go south. >> reporter: day five, a wednesday. we learn the final words from the cockpit were a seemingly calm, "all right. good night." no mayday call was ever issued. concerns grow that this was deliberate. >> i think as cia director brennan has stated, right now, at least, even with the facts
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that you described, you cannot rule out terrorism at this point. >> reporter: then the chinese release two satellite images of what they suggest might be pieces of the wreckage. they appear off of malaysia's east coast. the very next day, that lead falls apart. >> reporter: new reports tonight that the plane's communication system was shut down manually and not because of catastrophic failure. also, "the wall street journal" is now reporting that this plane, this is the new information, flew up to five hours, five hours after communications went dark. u.s. vrgts are now reportedly looking into the possibility that it was diverted to a secret location. >> reporter: the chinese later admit their satellite images were a false alarm. by now, almost a week has passed. and then -- >> at the end of the day, what you have is a plane that was going erratically in different directions, and was going up and down in ways that a plane is obviously not supposed to. and this raises the question, i
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was saying before about, who was controlling the plane at that point? was it someone that didn't know how to fly a plane? >> reporter: attention increases on the pilots, yet police so far have not searched their homes. we also learned the plane made significant changes in altitude after it reversed course. and suspicions growed that aircraft may be hidden somewhere. >> i believe, definitely, it landed someplace, megyn. that i do not know. i would look at all airfields, 7,500 feet in length with a large hangar in pakistan and in eastern iran. >> reporter: by saturday, malaysia declares this is a criminal matter. >> this movement is consistent with deliberate action by someone on the plane. >> reporter: in a bombshell development, it emerges that the plane was detected by satellites through 8:11 a.m. the day it disappeared. nearly eight hours after takeoff
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and seven hours after air traffic control lost track of the aircraft. but still, no answers as to where it was going or why. the search has expanded to daunting area off malaysia's west coast, including a northern and southern track in the indian ocean. sunday, march 16th. authorities claim the plane's communication system, known as acars was disabled after the pilot's last words to traffic control, leading questions to why the crew did not talk about this issue. but the timing of the acar shut down would later be called into question. by the next day -- >> you're not missing anything. i think somebody clearly was up to no good. >> reporter: we learn it was the copilot who uttered the final words of the flight, "all right, good night." the number of countries involved in the search has grown from 14
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to 26. then -- >> investigators are telling within the first 26 minutes to have flight, the pilots were already changing the flight path. what we had originally thought, the plane was flying on its original course to beijing and signing off with air traffic control and then making the westerly turn, we now know that within those first 26 minutes, they had reprogrammed the flight plan and were already starting to turn west, far before they even signed off with air traffic control. >> reporter: so pilots had intentionally changed their path, but the reason why remains a mystery. malaysian authorities now reveal the plane's acars communication system could have been shut down any time between 1:07 and 1:37 a.m. not necessarily before the copilot signed off. the total search area is now at more than 2 million square nautical miles. the next day, we learned that files have been deleted from the captain's at-home flight simulator. but what files and why? the fbi steps in to help, as the
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families of the missing reach a breaking point. [ screaming ] on thursday, march 20th, potentially big news from australia, whose prime minister says satellites have spotted debris off the aussie's west coast that may belong to the missing plane. this laines up with the souther path identified as one possible route for the plane. two large objects are spotted from the skies, but not by initial searchers who head to the spot. officials underscore it could be unrelated to this plane. so an international effort to find this plane is focused on the southern indian ocean. but figuring out where 370 came to rest does not answer the why or the how. just ahead, the unavoidable questions about the two men flying this jet. what we know and what we do not. >> hi, everyone. this is a youtube video that i've made as a community service. >> plus, was this a hijacking,
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at first, flight 370 was just delayed, then missing, then feared crashed. but a fourth idea started to take hold within 24 hours of takeoff, that this plane has been hijacked. our chief intelligence correspondent, catherine herridge has been tracking that part of the story from washington. >> reporter: megyn, within hours of the jet's disappearance, investigators focused on two passengers who used stolen passports to board flight 370. they purchased those tickets through an iranian middleman. intelligence officials emphasize that while the men's profiles were run through multiple the databases, no positive hits for terrorism were found. it was later determined that at least one of the iranians was meeting his mother in germany. while all passenger's backgrounds were scrubbed for flight training, malaysian investigators would not rule anything out. >> reporter: u.s. officials were also open to the possibility of
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terrorism. >> we know that there are terrorist groups that are still determined to carry out attacks, including, especially against aircraft. >> reporter: days later, the malaysian government was quick to downplay hijacking reports. >> despite media reports that the plane was hijacked, i wish to be very clear. we are still investigating all possibilities as to what caused mh 370 to deviate from its original flight path. >> reporter: with 152 chinese nationals among the imissing passengers, beijing said there was no link to its citizens. and malaysian investigators refocused their efforts on the pilots, with the fbi getting deeply involved. >> we are working with the authorities in malaysia. we're trying to offer whatever assistance that we can, but at this point, i don't think we have any theories that i could
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propound. >> reporter: with dramatic changes in the aircraft altitude reported, former intelligence and hopeland security officials say that passengers may have taken heroic action, like they did on 9/11. >> a mid-air struggle between the passengers and crew, with those carrying out the plot, just like in united 93. >> reporter: once the wreckage and pluresumably the aircraft's black boxes are found, investigators will determine whether flight 370 was taken down by a criminal act or a catastrophic event. megyn? >> with me now, mike boyd, fox news aviation analyst and aviation consultant for boyd peter brooks is a former cia officer and former deputy assistant defense secretary, and phillip holloway is a licensed pilot and flight instructor. phillip, let me start with you. in light of the most recent developments, looking down on the side of australia, many saying this would be consistent with the flight path, do you believe that terrorism or
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hijacking is diminished? >> well, you know, the other possibility, megyn, is that whoever took control of this aircraft didn't want the aircraft to be found. and put it out in a place that was very inhospitable to recovery operations or search operations. so as little as we know about possible motivations, i am not ruling any of the above out at this point. >> mike, same question to you. >> absolutely. we don't know anything yet. all we know is that the airplane disappeared. at this point in time, there are plausible arguments that it could have been a zombie airplane due to something went wrong in the cockpit, but there are a lot of other information that's come out, misinformation in some cases, from the malaysians that would indicate to me something's kind of rotten in kuala lumpur. >> and by zombie airplane, you mean they suffered from no oxygen and were flying
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incapacitated. i want to ask you about this. many pilots have said, look, don't throw these pilots under the bus, was these may have been heroes, not villains, who were struggling to save this plane from mechanical failure, and they explain, you know, the coordinates typed into to get to an alternate aircraft, and continuation down south, winding up somewhere west of australia. >> well, you know, megyn, i'm not ready to throw anybody under the bus at this point, however, in addition to being a pilot, i've been a criminal lawyer for the last 18 years. and what i know is that a proper investigation begins are ascertaining facts. and unfortunately, to me, the facts suggest that this was a crime, this was a hijacking. the one key fact, and i think you broke it first a couple of nights ago, was that the aircraft made a dramatic turn to the west, and it made that turn prior to the co-pilot making his last transmission to air traffic control. and at that point, the
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transponders were turned off and the airplane went dark. that suggests hijacking. >> that is a key point and we -- scott brenner, who's a former faa official, was at the faa on 9/11, is the one who broke that news here. and yet, others have questioned it. we questioned it that very night, mike, because, they were saying, look, the transponder was -- tracks the plane prior to that, and it doesn't match up. in other words, the ascertainable radar data doesn't support that assertion. so i think we have to put a question mark on that information. weapon don't know it for sure. what we do know is that a destination that was west on not on the plane's original journey was programmed in prior to when they signed off from air traffic control, but i don't know what we can glean from that. >> we do know they did not put 7700 into the transponder, which is the emergency code. they did not put 5700, which is the hijack code.
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they muput nothing in there, except that it was turned out. it has to lead to the human inference that it was a hijacking or a stolen aircraft. >> mike? >> i have to agree entirely. and for safety's sake, we have to assume that going forward if someone has this airplane, and that's a real stretch, and wants to do something with it, some time in the next 12 months, they might do something with it, we need to look into those options. but i have to agree with the lawyer. it doesn't look good. we can make excuses, but there's too many points here that just don't add up. >> peter brooks, we had lieutenant governor macknerny on the program, saying he believes very much that this plane could have made it to pakistan and that's where we feed to be looking and worried about. your thoughts on it? >> well, i mean, tom is a friend of mine. and i understand his theory there. and what, you know, gives some plausibility to it, and i would like to know more about it, is why israel has reacted so
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strongly to the disappearance of this aircraft. i can't add anymore to what tom has told us, based on -- because he has the sources. but a few nights ago, we talked about how israel is very concerned and putting their air traffic controllers and their air defense systems on high alert. so what do they know that the rest of us may not know, if anything, about the disposition of this aircraft. >> and a lot of the officials we've had on the broadcast have told us, even off the air, that they believe the american officials probably know much more than they're letting on. no matter what that information leads to, mechanical issues, terrorism issues, what have you. gentleman, thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. well, so many air disasters are eventually blamed on pilot error, but what if this one is different? what about the suggestions that these pilots may have intended to cause harm? that it wasn't an error, it was planned. up next, what we've uncovered about the two men in the cockpit.
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welcome back. whatever happened aboard this missing jetliner, there is one thing that did not happen. there was not a single warning, not a radio call, not an
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emergency beacon, no may day calls, no sign of trouble. and that has resulted in a number of questions about these two men. william takes a look at what we've learned about the captain, the co-pilot, and what was happening in that cockpit. >> megyn, one plane, 239 lives. dependent upon the character, judgment, and expertise of these pilots. deliberate or accident? what happened on flight 370 will always reflect on what these two men did or did not do. 53-year-old captain zahaire shah joined the airline in 1981. police later seized a homemade simulator with files that could show he practiced how to steal this plane, or he may have simply cleaned his hard drive. >> something he took from the simulator, and work to retrieve this data is ongoing.
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>> reporter: shah is also suspect for his politics. just hours before he took control of flight 370, the government sentenced distant relative and opposition leader anwar ibrahim to jail. to some, meaningless, to others, a motive. >> this all leads towards the cockpit, with the pilot himself, and co-pilot. >> reporter: also in focus, first officer fariq abdul hamid. he just graduated to the 777. it's his voice last heard before the plane disappears, with no sense of distress. this 2011 photo shows hamid with two women he invited into the cockpit for an hour of smoking and flirting. one called the experience friendly but sleazy. >> he took my friend's hand and was looking at her palm and she says, your hand is very krooeds, so that means you're a very creative person. >> they did not suggest to fly together, which means if this were a deliberate act, one pilot
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could have to incapacitate the other. it would not be the first time a lone wolf pulled off a mass murder. megyn? >> back to our panel, kathleen banks, fox news aviation analyst, and mike boyd, a fox news aviation analyst. good to see you both back. so the lack of a mayday call, kathleen. this is the point on which so many people who want to give the pilots the benefit of the doubt get hung up on. your thoughts on it? >> i don't get hung up at all. and i can tell you, the former airline pilot and airline instructor, i don't really find this that unusual. as everyone knows, you know, from watching the news the past two days, there's an old saw, which is finally, you fly the airplane, then you navigate. and if you have time, you communicate. i think that potentially, this is just a theory, but i think what potentially what happened was so sudden and so catastrophic, that they didn't have time to react and make that call. >> walk us through that. as a layperson, you think, how
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can you not have time to press a button and say mayday? >> there's a very good chance that the captain was at the controls. when they fly, one tends to be at the control and flying, and the one not flying, probably the co-pilot, made the radio call. what would be interesting to find out ahead of time, if we could determine possibly through air traffic control tapes, if there were earlier radio calls made. i would be very, very interested to know if we heard the captain's voice at all once they took off. the captain would be on the radio on the ground. but if the captain was on the air when they were flying from kuala lumpur to beijing and suddenly we hear that last call from the co-pilot, there's a very good chance that that would mean that there was an in-flight problem or emergency, and in something like that, in a crisis, what a captain might say is, you have the airplane, i am going to work the problem. and you have the radios. so i would really like to hear those air traffic control tapes and see if possibly the captain had been on the radio earlier.
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>> our information had been, this is just from one faa source, that the captain had not been on the radio on this airplane journey. but that needs to be confirmed by more people. mike, your thoughts on it? the absence of the mayday call, many people have talked about it, and yet we've learned in the payne stewart crash, which was a zombie flight, decompression happened, and no one was flying the aircraft, there wasn't a mayday call in that situation either. >> no, that was because it was, as the captain just mentioned, a catastrophic incident that took the crew out, took the whole airplane out. >> and it flew for several hours before it crashed. >> absolutely. that could be the case here, there's no question. again, the question is, you know, was the airplane turned. by the pilot, was it turned by the navigation system? those are all open questions. and there's a lot of plausible answers here. i still smell something. and one other thing that bothers me is the assumption that the trajectory of that airplane was making the last time some contact was made with it was one they would keep. if it was a hijacked airplane,
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and we didn't know where it was after that last contact, that could have been taken back up north, south, east, or west. and that really complicates the matter. >> so something could have gone wrong after that point. before i let you go, quickly, mike, no history of extremism in either of their backgrounds, as far as we can tell? everybody who knows them is telling us these are good guys, no history of problems, they loved their airline and loved to fly airplanes zp. >> yeah, all we found out, the pilot had been with the company for about 30 years. so the co-pilot had some girls in the cockpit, so he's a red-blooded guy on the hustle and his technique isn't very good, but other than that, there's nothing really that's that negative. >> and wound up falling in love and meeting the right woman, although the pilot's wife had just left him, according to reports. >> searchers are now focusing their attention now more than 3,500 miles to the south of
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. live from america's news headquarters, i'm arthel neville. a possible new clue in the search for the missing malaysian airlines jet that could back up this satellite image released by china. france says it has new satellite data that may show floating debris from the missing jet. it is in the same area of the southern indian ocean where crews have been searching inin rough waters for days. just hours from now, president obama boards air force one for a nuclear summit in europe. however, the crisis in ukraine is expected to take center stage, as thousands of russian troops reportedly gather on
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ukrai ukraine's eastern border. russia formerly annexed ukraine's western peninsula friday, a move the west calls illegitimate. i'm arthel neville, now back to a special edition of "the kelly file." i'll see you back at 4:00 eastern. welcome back to our "kelly file" special, the mystery of flight 370. for now the focus of the search involves a patch of water more than a thousand miles from anywhere. the southern indian ocean is stormy, fierce, and hard to reach. and that is just the beginning of this challenge. trace gallagher has that part of our report. trace? >> reporter: and megyn, the reason they're focusing so heavily on the southern indian ocean is because there is no confirmed radar from any country that it indicates that flight 70 continued flying on a northward path. there is radar data that indicates that the plane was, at least for a while, flying west and then south. but finding debris may be the
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easier part of this monumental search, because beyond that, the hurdles become extremely high. first, experts will use mathematical models of wind and ocean currents to see how far the debris drifted. when they agree on a general vicinity, sonar buoys can be dropped into the water to pick up pings from either the black boxes or the emergency locator transmitters, but the pings can only be detected from a mile away. and the batteries only last 30 days. that means they would send manned or unmanned subs with, but the plane could be 12,000 feet deep, about the same as "titanic" or the air france plane that crashed back in 2009. that crash debris was found in five days, but it took two years and $100 million to recover the black boxes. add to that the indian ocean is known for underwater volcanos, earthquakes, and landslides. and if you have lava or mud on the wreckage, megyn, the astronomical odds get even
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lower. megyn? >> good gracious. trace, thank you. we'll turn now to our expert. dr. alan diehl is a former u.s. air force investigator and author of "air safety investigations." sean pernicky used to be an aviation accident investigator and chuck gnash is a fox news contributor. good to see you all. let me start with you on this, dr. diehl. the thought of going 2 1/2 to 3 miles under the ocean to try to find bits and pieces that may or may not be there seems overwhelming. how do they start? >> well, you're certainly right, megyn. we've done it before in the west indian ocean. we found a 747, south african airways lost one back in 87. took them two years. and they knew roughly where the aircraft was. and it still -- but they didn't get to it while the pingers were still operational. it took them two years. they did get one of the black boxes up and it answered the
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riddle. >> sean, they call this body of ocean the roaring 40s, because these seas are just so overwhelming. look at some of this video. they're talking about some of these waves getting up over 32 feet high. how are they supposed to even search out there? >> well, you're exactly right. extremely challenging. and, you know, very adverse conditions, right? so part of this is using gps technology, which is something that is far more accessible now than some of the past investigations, some of the other guests have talked about. but using that technology with known search patterns, that these folks are trained to do this. they know how to do this. but that still doesn't negate the size of the task at hand. just a tremendous volume of area to cover. >> captain gnash, we were told once they're down there, they can use binoculars, on board infrared cameras so they can spot things up to 22 miles away,
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digital radars. do you feel confident that if there's something there, they'll find it? >> it's going to be very difficult, megyn. in the sea state you pointed out with 32-foot waves, what you have there are essentially little 32-foot rolling hills that radar won't penetrate. so if you have something in the trough of a wave and, you know, what you're looking at suddenly pops up on the top of a wave and disappears again and you're sweeping your radar or looking out the window, it can make it very difficult, even though you were looking at the right area at the right time, you're still looking through a soda straw and a wave moves it and it's gone. >> dr. diehl, how much confidence do you place in this particular search area? because the experts like you would get together, they would do math, they would figure out the currents, they would know where to look, we assume, but that's when you know generally where the plane descended. >> obviously, once we establish whether or not these debris on
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top of the water are part of the aircraft, then we know where to start. we've talked about a needle in a haystack. right now we're looking at a needle in nebraska. we may find a needle in a hayfield, but once we find the hay stack, i'm quite confident, if we can do it in the next few weeks when the pingers are operational, we'll be able to find it, especially if the u.s. navy sends a fleet of their p3 p3 orions to the area. 150 of those aerircraft in the inventory. we could get a couple dozen of those to the area quickly. >> sean, we've been told we have 29 vessels out there searching and 25 of them are pursuing this southern arc, 4 are pursuing the northern arc. certainly seems that those who are in the know, much more so than we all are, believe that this plane indeed went south and will be in the south indian ocean. >> you're exactly right. this is where the search needs
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to concentrate, based on the data we have now, megyn. we have to go on what we have. and as little as it is, it certainly points to this area, and i think this is where the investigation will need to focus. >> captain nash, for those watching, hopes high, hopes not so high? >> i don't think they would be spending the time bringing the prime minister of australia to a news conference to talk about this evidence or this debris that they've found and to be concentrating on what is such a desolate part of the planet. they're looking at a particular area of that. something i think led them there, and my hopes are up. >> yeah, the defense minister of australia called this a logistical nightmare. we are in the most isolated part of the world, he said. gentleman, thank you. well, the relatives of those onboard the plane have had a roller coaster ride of heartbreak, anger, and suspicion as they question how the malaysian government has handled this thing from the start. that part of the investigation is next.
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dragging of out the relative of a passenger who was protesting about how this investigation was being handled. mike boyd is back with us, peter brooks as well, a former cia officer, and mike dunroff is a former attorney. gentleman, good to see you all. i spoke with the senior executive of immarset, the group that tracked this plane. they told the malaysian authority is no later than the wednesday after the plane went missing, and still, malaysia allowed all the focus to be on the east coast of malaysia, and didn't even come out until 3: , three, four, almost five days later to say, we should be focusing on the east coast, not the west coast. is that incompetence or something worse than incompetence? >> there's a lot of things in play here. first of all, you have to remember this aircraft is a national airlines, not a private
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company. so the government is responsible for it. we also, i think, our expectations are very high, because we're so blessed with having such terrific law enforcement and intelligence and public relation skills here in the united states. my view is, is that in some cases, and i don't know this, but my sense is that this tragedy, if it is a tragedy, as we believe it is now, exceeded the capacity of the malaysian government to deal with it. so i'm not sure there was any malevolence or malfeasance involved here or intended incompetence, but the fact of the matter is, i think our expectations are quite high because of the country we live in, and it's just difficult culture there in malaysia. >> i left out a third option, not incompetence or malfeasance, but good old-fashioned responsibility. that same satellite communications executive said, look, they wanted to run down leads, it's not a smoking gun. they didn't want to sort of get everybody engaged on the wrong coast before they really had
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confidence that the information was right. but that's just one of many things the malaysian government has done, that has concerned people. >> well, i think, megyn, flow of information has been very troubling in terms of not only its speed or lack of speed, but also the fact that they haven't really provided, it seems, reliable information. i think it's very difficult, because the facts are simply not there yet. the malaysian government, in many respects, is sitting and waiting as it relates to locating the airplane. the investigation, certainly the investigation has started, but it's very difficult to investigate an aircraft accident, until you have located the aircraft. >> how much of this anguish and frustration is born of that, the fact that tragedy has struck, and there are no answers to give? >> i think you've put your finger on it in terms of these scenes we've seen of the family. i've handled many, many airline accidents on behalf of the airlines. the number one thing that the families want, the number one things, is information.
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and the airlines that we represent, i represent, are very sophisticated in dealing with these sorts of situations. they train very hard. malaysia airlines has procedures for this sort of thing. but the families want information. and that information doesn't come from the airline, megyn. it comes from the investigators. and the investigators are, in fact, the malaysian government. >> mike, you have to image, how terrible it is for these families, one day it's hijacking. the next day, it's catastrophic mechanical failure. next day it could be terrorism. one day, it's the -- the chinese are saying it's over here. the next day, the australians are saying, we think it's over here. in the meantime, we get this report from the australian ocean, it's the most isolated place in the world with 30-foot seas and you have to sit and wonder about your loved one. >> yeah, the anguish just must be intolerable for these people, but where i drag the malaysians into this, there's three words you learn.
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there's a term you learn when you're trying to explain what happened, and that is, we don't have that information at this time. we don't know. you don't let anything out unless you're sure it's accurate. and that, we can't accuse the malaysians of doing. we had of when this thing lost contact and when it made a turn. it made a turn and two daze later they told us it made a turn. they handled this at best incompetently and 52% airline owned by the government, you have to ask yourself some questions. >> you do. you can see the anguish there, which would be existent, no matter what here. but with all the conflicting information and the crazy turns that this investigation has taken, you have to feel especially for these families. gentlemen, thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up, how is the missing malaysian plane affecting the flying public. an interesting look at that question, next. there negotiating, most stressful part... of buying a new car.
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welcome back, the mystery of welcome back. the mystery of this missing plane has captured the world's attention and we want to know how it is making people feel about flying. watch what happens. >> we heard from the experts, now, let's hear from the american people. how many of you are nervous to fly based on what is going on right now? why are you nervous? >> well, i'd be nervous to fly internationally, that's for sure. never mind just in the united states. it doesn't seem like the type of background checks or the checks they're doing overseas even comes close to the competence we put forward here, even if we're that competent. >> only one american on that plane, clearly, we weren't targeted. >> all i can say is 30 years ago and they were checking out toothpaste then. if we had profiling before and better screening, i would have
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no trouble flying. >> you want profiling. >> yes, that's what the israelis have been doing for decades. >> racial profiling. >> no. they profile their passengers as to background, beliefs, political activity and likelihood of carrying a weapon. >> who else is nervous about flying right now because of what's going on? let's go back there. tommy? >> i feel much more comfortable to fly. with the british airways, because put security issue s is known. not to do small airlines. >> just the fact that two guys got on this plane with stolen passports, that really scares me. >> stay with us, our kelly file mystery of flight 360 will continue right after this. me. >> stay with us, our special coverage of the missing flight 370 continues right after this. this is for you.
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a fox news alert. hope in the search for flight 370 with the release of new satellite data that suggests possible debris. the new information emerging as the hunt for the boeing 777 enters its third week. 26 countries scouring the indian ocean and for the first time, authorities believe they are finally making progress. hello, everyone. i'm arthel neville. >> i'm gregg jarrett. the third possible clue in as many days. yesterday as you know, china releasing this satellite picture

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