thanks for joining us tonight for this special lye edition of huckabee. we will be back next week. until from new york ms. hike huckabee. stay tuned for "justice wi -- "e with judge jeanine." >> welcome to a special sunday edition of "justice. i am judge jeanine pirro. new clues in the investigation of missing malaysian airline flight 370. satellite data may show potential from debris from the missing airline. the plane may have been flying as low as 12,000 feet after making that sharp left turn. all the while a search resumes in one of the most remote areas of the southern indian ocean. in a moment of top-notch top guns elite u.s. fighter pilots

is fed up with the speculation about what happened. he's here to give us his take. up first former advisor defense ministry and michael k and christine denson joins us tonight. we have spent 2 and a half million dollars on the search. our an we are in the indian ocean and have been since we were asked to come in by malaysia. what could we know or what do we know after all of this? >> just enough evidence to warrant a huge search but there isn't enough evidence for unee give cal information linked to the 370. >> why are we in the indian ocean? why are we in that particular area if we could be anywhere. nobody really knows. >> it is face 16 of this

mission. what we are seeing now is we have no leads. we are no nearer to solving this mystery than we were on day one. it warrants us having to look at it. we have to look at it. we can't go anywhere else. the problems are the satellite date we first received from the u.s. satellite it went straight down a couple days later and found a freighter it could be a refraction of light. >> why aren't we -- why are we putting all of our eggs in one basket? >> we need to be looking at other evidence to support why we are down in that part of the world. what i mean by that is let's look at the track of the aircraft thrown from the last rate which is in the south china sea all of the way down to the search area. you have to fly very close to sing more one of the busiest airspaces in that part of the world and it would have to fly

in the indonesian territory. are you telling me it wouldn't have been spotted? >> not only would it have been spotted but they would have taken ashgs since they don't know where it was. you are a diver. just how difficult are these waters to navigate. i don't think people really comprehend the enormity of the indian ocean. this is what you do. explain it to us. >> what people need to grasp is where we are where we are going to have it out from 1,500 miles from australia, 7500 miles north of antarctica. they are going to have to be on this site at this point searching for the debris. they have wind conditions they have currents and weather systems that move in and they anticipate as best they can. but it's rough. it's very rough for them. >> what do they do first search

low do they look for debris on top of the water before they go down deep? >> it is visual. they have to spot the debris. they have to be able to identify it and say this is what it is. it is garbage, it is plastic or it's a seat. it's metal. >> so far we don't know any of that has been identified. >> there are reports that the aircraft spotted the malaysian territory was 12,000 feet. let's turn we are all familiar with what does that tell you. why are they just finding that out now? >> i am not convinced about the details on attitude. without that it is virtually impossible of whether this was a actually 370 only or 12,000

feet. the thing you would need to do that is sophisticated ground base air defense system that would use a targeting radar. >> why are people coming out on day 16 as you said every time we turn around there's a different number. >> from the malaysian military about the altitude it is not mutually there. it could either be one or the other. it has the endurance to go to the search area. again what we are getting is very, very unconvincing stip ets of information. >> if isn'ted that what we are doing? >> you have to start somewhere.

we start with a vaisual a radar satellite of some degree. we have no choice but you have picked up degree you need to know what it is. they are going to have to backtrack and find the impact. >> the satellite image number three from the french. nothing is turning up anything. >> it is a game of -- it's a game where either they are not telling us everything or everybody is lying to everybody else and mfamilies are devastatd by what is going on. always good to have you on. >> with me now retired air force colonel and top gun pilot

hampton. you have strong opinions on what is put forth by the experts over the last two weeks. what's your take? >> there is a lot out there as you have seen. this came down to a couple of real scenarios. they are still fairly real and could have been something like that. it doesn't explain why the emergency transmit teres were never defected. the other one that is far more likely whatever reason one of the pilots just decided to lose this airplane. he picked a place that i would do it way out into the indian ocean and he disabled the elp so you won't get any hits that way. the other possible scenario is a counterintelligence situation where somebody wants to see the reaction or gauge the assessment of our capabilities to deal with

this. i think you can discount the aliens. i think you can discount the central asian scenario. everybody over looks to get to pakistan you have to over fly india. they they are not going to let an unidentified not squawking not talking aircraft. they have migs they have missiles they would have taken care of it and we would have known something. >> you are referring to what jim in the fbi and new york area was talking about which is a dry run by some kind of terrorist organization to see what our crisis response is if that is god forbid that's what happened. they have got to be laughing their tails off. we can't figure out what direction the jet went. >> well, you are right. i think there's wiggle room in there. i think we can. the malaysians weren't

interested frin any help of anybody competent. we got to the point we don't need your permission to look for our people in international waters so we going to do that anyway. everybody needs to give a break to intelligence committee are aware of people look at us and what we do and assess us. we are being sur come respect with what we find. >> why didn't we go sooner? there were three americans on this. >> yeah, well we could ask barack obama that couldn't we? i don't have an answer to that, judge. i would like to think it transcends politics but it doesn't. >> if this is terrorism do you think somebody would take credit? >> it wasn't to scare any one it was ap counterintelligence scenario. something else we are trained to think about is what are you not

being told and what are you not hearing? evenlyi even in a false way it leads me to believe maybe they were told not to because they didn't want to muddy the waters and full assessment of what is going onning there is necessary. >> time will certainly tell. thank you for your take on this. coming up the fbi agent who did lead the investigation is here. what do you think happened to flight 3707's cockpit? facebook

>> it has been two weeks since the boeing plane dispiered.

jim cal strm who led the investigation into the crash of flight twa flight 800. jim, thanks for joining us again. you were in charge of that investigation. take yourself back to the point in time. i image there were many theories there were a lot of supposition nobody knew what happened. how long did it take before you saw what happened to twa flight 800? >> we were in a high state of alert lert. olympics were a week away. we had threats coming out of the middle east not specifying the aircraft but it took the fbi, we have a standard of roof we have to be absolutely sure before we say something as you know better than anybody. it took us a year and a half. >> took you a year and a half. for the last couple weeks there were some people saying you know

what you only know this for sure and that for sure and everybody is speculating. isn't this how the investigation begins when you have a crumb here and a crumb there? >> we were at an advantage. we could tell people what to do. we could set up a wipe board with the 15 scenarios of what it could be. we could call in people from patterson air force base we could bring all of these row sources to there we had all of the assets for the united states nave he of a to the site. we had the advantage of seeing this huge fireball puns of people. we knew where it was.

that evening we took a lot of stuff including a lot of the bodies floating it was a hoe horrific most difficult part of this thing was dealing with that and all of the victim's families. my wife and i were in her wedding. it was horrendouhorrendous. >> when you talk about it, it happened in the united states, we knew where it happened and where it happened. do you hold out any hope here? >> we are not in charge. there are a few facts but i don't think there are many. you can call on two or three things that are a fact.

>> they have taken the simulator of the captain of this flight. do you think that there is a way to retrieve and the fbi is the best all of those guys to retrieve files that have been deleted? >> absolutely. it happened all of the time. if you are really sophisticated unsuccessfully cover those with other materials. i don't know the exact technology or jar began but i would say most would be doing that. >> if it has been reported there's a lot deleted and you think the fbi if agree with you if anybody can figure it out it's the fbi. what do you do next? you take the laptops? >> everything these people touch, talked to, looked at, thought about for a a long time we want to know about that. all of the crew, everybody that

came in contact with this one. >> of course you and i both come from the same place in terms of law enforcement. 8 days later you go and search their homes that's a problem. when it give us a lap top? oo their lap dops station computers that is showing data and history. sure we would be looking at that. >> in a sense it's easier than now. >> it is you are trying to be sneaky about something. >> shut off your iphone if you have that. >> coming up, an air traffic controller breaks down the pilot's final

>> new clues into the disappearance of flight 370. what is the final communication from the cockpit tell us? with me air traffic controller jason done away and boeing 777 training camp tan cross amers. all right thank you for being with us. i will start with you captain. there is widespread speculation regarding the seemingly calm broadcast. are those words unusual? >> not at all, judge. it is very normal when you are handed off to the next controller. i learned to say those words from the open language and it opened a lot of doors for me through out the years. it is absolutely normal. >> that's not something that would peak our interest.

i will go with you jason. 15 years air traffic controller. what is the crisis emergency procedure that an air traffic controller would engage in if this air traffic kiss appeared? >> he will first try to get a hold of the aircraft may be mechanical may be de trailing issue. -- derailing issue. they might respond try to reach out aircraft to aircraft go into emergency frequencies there's several avenues to get a hold of this aircraft and make sure there's a reason it doesn't work and maybe get it back on-line. >> what is the happenedoff from malaysia to vietnam have on the losing of the squawk number or squawk number -- it's a number, right, guys? >> it really depends on the system how they are set up if

they are radar to radar the vietnam holders wouldn't know what it was because he this wouldn't see it any more. it would get the radar control zone. >> they know triple 7 is that correct? >> as part of the emergency response assuming there is a response what would you expect from the country whose military has seen this plane pretty much fall off the radar? >> we are not really seeing much. it is great i am sure an air force general knows his business, but knowing the airline business and what happened to this i am not sure that they handle this thing correctly. when i need someone an expert, my company does a lot of expert within in aviation investigation

and when we need somebody who knows something about the business i go and find the guy who actually invented or designed that transponder and take him with me to court. so these folks in malaysia should have gone to the didn't have that going? >> that brings me to the issue a little later in the show. who is on first. who is doing what. what is the first thing they do in the event of loss of communication? >> like my friend in air traffic control says. we trying to back to the last frequency we were given try to make contact with them. if not we have other ways to go on emergency frequency which we monitor all of the time, we could squawk a different coke in

the transponder. there are so many whiches we can establish communication with the air traffic control system. >> you were nodding your head when the captain was speaking. >> yes. we could see it from the other side once we lose communication with the pilot. if they are on top of the ball they are trying to get a hold of us the same as we are trying to get a hold of them. >> do you think they will be able to find this plane? oo i am confident we eventually find out what is going on. although we have a small window of opportunity. there's about a 30-day life-span of the emergency locatorins tha are inside the black boxes.

if with he go past the 30-days it becomes hard to find the black boxes and that's what we want to get our hands on. >> thank you for joining us. >> coming up enough with the theories. what really happened? ambassador john bolton on the treatment of the passenger's families. stay with us. it's like quick

sand. i am harris falkner. now back to justice. >> where is flight 370? they are looking for any sign of debris across australia. retired air force captain and chuck nash. good evening captain. thank you for being with us.

a search now in the indian ocean. third largest body of water in the world. after 2 day 26 -- after 16 days 26 countries come up with nothing. what do you think is going on? do they know more than they are telling us? >> they could but obviously there's been a lot of effort to concentrate on the u.s. in australia but also japanese, chinese and brits. if you look at that total search area that you have been showing on the graphic the area we are looking now may be sitting on the football field. for some reason there's a lot of attention being drawn to the area. it may be because we know test through or it may be because we want everybody to think it is there. >> that is very interesting,

captain p. you are a veteran in this business. for you to say something about that means you know something not necessarily about this but the games that are played. >> there are games played all of the time. all of the time. and the thing is, the illusionists, if that is what it is, and if you just take what we know and draw logical conclusions from the knowledge of what we know, you come up with several different scenarios. i am very, very glad that we not given up looking in the northern region of the possibilities. at this point i think most of the people that have been doing analysis on your show and elsewhere have all come to the conclusion that it is far too early to take anything off the table. it's all still on the table. some elements get more air time and more emphasis than others,

but it is far too early to take everything off the table. >> there's no question. as june kallstrom said you have to start with that one piece that you have and make the circle as big as you can to try to pull back and get a picture. captain, new reports tonight the plane may have gone as low as 12,000 feet. what does that tell you? >> what it tells me is either they intentionally drove it down there and if they did, it was because they were probably trying to get below a radar verizon or what they thought was the radar horizon. in other words, radar is line of site and most defense radars are line of sight. that's why we tend to put them up on the highest part of the terrain we can so they can reach out as far as they can. if you are up in altitude, the radar horizon is here you dive below that radar horizon that

radar is sneaking but you are out of coverage. you are hide pg. the low altitude insurgent that happens after that left turn was probably a diving left turn, if this data is true -- if this data is true and they dropped down to 12,000 feet it could have been turn off all of the reporting devices, break from the normal flight path where everybody is expecting it to go this way, now instead of going this way you go that way and you drop out of site. >> they are heading westbound toward the city from there it is gone. now you are out of the indian ocean and you can turn north.

why do you hijack the aircraft? you either want something in the aircraft or someone in the aircraft or you want the aircraft for some later use, so if you are going to make this airplane disappear, you either use scenario won the pilot says suicide. he could have driven it right into the water right on the spot. >> nobody thinks he was depressed. we don't have any information like that. >> no, we don't. >> all of those, again, there's some commentators who were saying talk about this is pure speculation we shouldn't be doing this. take the evidence and let the evidence lead you. >> i am with you, captain. i did it for 30 years. enough of this speculation. you take the crumbs and you follow them or take the pieces and put them together. always good to talk with you.

>> nice to be with you, judge. >> with me now is former ambassador to the u.s. and john bolton. good evening ambassador. we are seeing outrage over malaysia's treatment of the family. have you ever seen anything like this? >> no, it's pretty pathetic but i think it's peace with malaysian airlines and the government being overwhelmed the tragedy. the most important thing for the family when you are in this kind of situation is providing evidence, providing information so they have some ability to come to closure with what is happening to their relatives here. the way they have handled this thing from the minute they lost contact with the plane that contributed to the family's anguish. >> whether they are incompetent or not too quick, i don't know what it is, but how do you --

how are you so insensitive to treat the families like this. i spent 30 years dealing with families and those who were victims of homicides. there was a certain human dignity that the people are entitled to. their unwillingness to call in who would actually help them including the united states is stunning as well. >> i think that's part of the fact that the airlines and i think the malaysian government were utterly overwhelmed lie this. -- by this. a lot of countries have national flag airlines as a matter of prestige they use the best equipment it's a big deal. what they are prepared for is success. they are not prepared for catastrophic failure. things that in the united states or western europe are second nature. they have been through this before, they know how to respond. just completely beyond the

capacity of something like malaysian airlines tragically. >> what about the idea of three americans on this flight if it were over international waters and we still don't know would the united states been able to barely in and take charge knowing it's the pest technology it's our plane we built it. >> we should have been a lot more assertive. you need a place to stand or take off a place to bring your ship. it is knotted simply it is international waters. we had the first indication there might have been foul play involved here not a catastrophic airplane failure that we should have been much more assertive at the political level. they can't get in the front door in malaysia unless the higher level of our government are pushing.

we needed to be more assert tiff. >> the summer is coming upon us hopefully if the winter is ever over. can americans feel safe flying around the world? >> i think it will happen whether they feel safe or not because of the demands of international commerce. we don't have enough evidence to know if this is terrorism or not. that is where the speculation pleads you. the terrorist threat is not over and it is a realistic hypothesis this in this circumstance. >> i couldn't agree with you more. coming up if we can live stream movies to our phones why can't we stream data from a plane's black box? that's next.

>> we can live strooef movies and tv shows on our phones or computers and tablets. why kafrl can't multi million dollar airplanes stream inhave aed valuable data. my next guest says they can and she should. richard hayden flight of aerospace solutions. richard, thank you for being with us this evening. your company makes the next generation of black boxes. ex mrarn that. >> the blacks boxes receive data in stores that it retrieved on

the ground. we are ak an tive system which monitors the data and transmits data. >> where did the term black box come from? there is orange and blue. >> nobody really knows. >> tell me about this. this can take information that is critical and do what with it? >> this system monitors all of the data on the aircraft provided a channel of voice communication for the flight crew and it has rules that selectively transmit messages to the operational control center on the ground. those mab may be position report and status of the aircraft. in an emergency situation or abnormal situation it will stream the position of the

aircraft and all of the pertinent data. >> if this were on the triple 7 we would know when there's an emergency because it would be smart enough to send that information streaming to before million lash yaw and vietnam. >> it would be malaysia. >> it would be, correct. >> i could receive notice if i were a ceo of the airline or have chief of police i could get the information notification to that aircraft as a problem. are>> what information would we need to know about the plane's location? >> we could call it second by second once we start streaming.

we know precise flight path previous guest talked about the aircraft dropping to the ground. >> is this a significant amount of money? >> no. you can ask mike the entire system it is under 100,000>> what are the complaints? 100,000 dollars is not a lot for the airlines. it will save them money, too. >> our customers normal slave money in the normal operations. it sits in the background and is only activated when there's a reason to do so. the industry is wacautious.

the reason they are safe is because everything is done prolifically. >> this doesn't make it unreceive. >> no. it has a layer of safety to it. >> how long can it go on battery? >> hundreds of hours. if all of the data from the aircraft was shut off internally because all electric power was off it would transmit position>> how many airplanes have them? >> about 350 mentd>> o350. >> a blue box. >> automated flight information reporting. >> faced with hundreds of questions and no answers what are the passenger's families going through? what do you think happened in flight 370's cockpit.

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>> as the search for answers continues no one wants to know what happened more than the families of the 239 on board flight 370. my next guest knows better than any one what they are going through. >> she is the founder of access, aircraft casualty emotional support services. thank you for being with us. i am sure this hits home for you. can you tell us what the families are going through? >> at this point i remember so well faceiccally we were all

gathered together at around this time at a hotel having press releases and press conferences and trying to get information. i have to say that in that room i just remember there were families who were extremely quiet families who were crying and then those who are extremely angry. it was an extremely difficult time. i hering with sad. it was five weeks for my fiancee's remains to be found. we were always looking for answers the whole time. one of the hardest thing is the site ended up shutting down where we were meeting. some of us had to go home it was a difficult time in the transition.

that's what led me to found access. i found it was so hopeful to talk to other people who had been through it before. i remembered what it was like to keep them alive while at the same time seeing the possibility they could be gone forever. (talking over one another). 8 years earlier is sat with me and understood what i was saying. that's why i founded access so other people who lost loved ones had somebody else to talk to who understood what it was like not having answers. >> what is it like to have n answer? >> basically what i -- the process i went through was hope that he had survived and he would be coming back to me. the reality would sit in. it would get really hard and go back and forth. what helped me was to hold on to the hope for as long as i could.

i would have to looked at it in a whole different way. i really found that tra transition to be quite difficult going from having the ability to hold on to hope and then having to switch the reality part which was five weeks laterment for some of the people in the crash they did not have confirmation their loved ones were on board for a year. so -- >> really one year? >> it tends to be a long waiting time. >> confirmation their remains were actually found. >> okay, all right. heidi, thanks for being with us this evening. >> thank you. >> now for the results of this p tonight's poll what do you think happened in the flight 370 cockpit? howard said the pilot and co pilot and the stolen passport hijacked the plane. >>

>> that's it for tonight. friend me on facebook or follow me on twitter at judge jeanine. we will be back next saturday night at 9:00 p.m., same time, same place. have a good evening.@w@wowowpg÷g

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flush flu >> a live looked at new york city on this monday morning. good morning to you wherever you are. you are watching "fox & friends first". i am patti ann browne in for ainsley earhardt. >> i am heather childers. thank you for starting your day and your week with us. a brand new lead in the search for missing flight 370 a chinese plane spotted off in the indian ocean in the same area where satellite images showed possible debris. >> this new video shows a chinese ice breaker in hopes of finding the pieces. >> we are seeing a nbe