>> none. >> very little time, i guess. log on for the after the show show. it's based on a true story. >> thank you for joining us today. we'll see you back here tomorrow, everybody. >> bye. bill: good morning, everybody. could this be the break the world has been waiting for. search planes spotting objects floating in the southern indian ocean. search ships are on way to find out if it could be evidence of flight 370. we'll find out what they're doing in a matter of moments. they described as complete devastation. the death toll in a massive mudslide in the state of washington climbing to eight. these images are unissing. hopes of finding survivors fading as search officials say they see, quote, no sign of life. this happened in an instant. good morning on a monday. i'm bill hemmer. martha: good to be here. i'm martha maccallum. so the ground bying way and decimating a full square mile of

land. people in the area describing this scene. watch this. >> horrible. horrible. like, like a tsunami, something closer to that. >> darkness. i just saw the darkness. that's all i could see. everything from one side completely and the other side. you see a truck passing by you, 100 feet in front of you and basically everything is gone. >> total devastation. this is unbeliveable. it remind me of what a tornado looks like when it touched the ground. bill: the aerial images here are just stunning. this happened here near the town of arlington, north of seattle. dan springer is live this morning. what is the latest from there, dan? >> reporter: they're still calling this an operation looking for survivors. this is still an effort to find people that are alive. the first night after it happened they heard cries for help. there was search-and-rescue effort hearing people crying out

for help. the following day on sunday, the morning, they couldn't get out there because the slide area has been creating a dam, earthen dam over the river. this is essentially like quicksand. so they couldn't get on top of the slide area to get more victims. they later did in the afternoon and found five more bodies. the hope of finding any survivors in the 30 homes that were destroyed are certainly fading. 18 people are listed missing. rescuers heard cries for help the first night. but yesterday they heard silence. stories are heartbreaking looking for loved ones. a man looking for a sister driving in the area. he knows in his heart she is gone. a woman looking for her husband, an electrician doing a job installing a water heater in a home that was destroyed. a woman who was looking for information on social media about her parents who are still missing. >> this happened to see a

picture of facebook on the mudslide and i recognized it instantly as my parents backyard. i just want to know where she is. i just want some answers. it is really, really hard not being in the loop or being in control. >> reporter: answers are extremely hard to come by. we're in arlington 10-mile drive away from the slide area. this is where the search-and-rescue effort is being located this is where all the news conferences are happening. we'll get more information here later this morning. i can tell you that the red cross has three shedders and 30 people last night stayed in one of those shelters, a lot of people out of their homes looking for answers. bill and martha. bill: they're concerned about the stability in that river. is there danger still downstream, dan? >> reporter: absolutely. this is two disasters. one unfolded this saturday morning when the mudslide happened, the second disaster is potential one down the road. what you have is a lake formedded by this plugged river.

so all the water is backed up behind this earthen dam. the fear, if it crashes down all at one time, the water in that lake crashes through that dam and goes down river you will have an overflowed river and all the people downstream will be affected. they did get good news yesterday. they have hydrologists and geologist, some water has gotten through the dam going down river. that is a good sign because that means it is easing the pressure. >> water that is coming out on the other side of the dam heading downstream is okay. it is expected. it is coming out at a good pace. we have to remember the riverbed is very lowdown stream. there is a lot of capacity for this water to move up. >> reporter: the challenge is to find a channel to continue the operation of making sure some water gets from that lake created down river and easing pressure on that dam. i can tell you this area has history of landslides. there was one in 1967.

there was one in 2006. nothing as devastating from this. they say it all caused by rainy march. four 1/2 inches is normal for this month in this area. they have already had 7 inches of rain this march and more expected tuesday through the rest of the week. bill: dan springer, back to you when we get more on that, the state of washington. >> reporter: okay. martha: we have new sighting of what may be debris from malaysian flight 370. australian search teams finding several objects and one to be green and circular. another orange and rectangular. this is the first solid lead to be sure in the three weeks since the plane disappeared. dozens of ships are streaming in that direction to try to get a handle what this debris is. emergency meeting for the families has also been called. we're waiting for a news conference. we expect that will get underway at top of the hour. a lot of breaking news in this

story. doug mckelway is live in washington. doug, any identifying characteristics they were able to discern on these new floating objects they have found? >> reporter: martha the objects were spotted in the search hour 1550 miles southwest of perth. spotted 2:45 a.m. australian time today. the crew reported seeing two objects the first as you said, gray or green. it is circular. the second one orange and rectangular in shape. now these are different from the objects reported earlier in the day by a chinese search aircraft. the australian prime minister reported that a u.s. navy poseidon, a second australian air force orion and japanese orion were also on route to the search area. >> i caution again, mr. acting deputy speaker, we don't know whether any of these objects are from mh 370. they could be flotsam.

>> reporter: earlier in the day chinese search reported objections in the australian search area but not in the vicinity of the objects identified by australian authorities last week. that part of the indian ocean is known for accumulation of debrises clumped together by currents and eddies dominate in the indian ocean. martha. martha: who knows until they get there and get a good look at it there is new information they're learning about the pilot, right? >> reporter: we're learning malaysian authorities are finally interviewing the estranged wife of pilot after two weeks. they were separated but shared the house with the two children. the authorities resisted interviewing her out of cultural reasons. the fbi urged them to go ahead given urgency of the investigation. there is more information about the mystery phone call the pilot received before taking off. malaysian authorities are

denying reports that the call came from a phone with a from a disposable sim card that makes it untraceable. that is popular with terrorist groups. malaysian authorities are denying that's where the phone call came from. martha: doug, thank you. bill: we'll hear from the malaysian prime minister talking 10 a.m. eastern time. that is coming up at the talk of the hour. they're meeting with family members in beijing as well. we'll get you updates. quickly now, remember the two routes, the one to kazakhstan and down south to the indian ocean. route number two is the focus of where all the attention has gone the past five or six days. advance it one time. pert, australia. 1200 nautical miles these objections described as orange and rectangular, the other is gray or green and circular. perhaps that is some evidence. this is very rough, very deepwaters. upwards of 3300 feet at a minimum. upwards of 23,000 feet at the

most. wow! that is big, big job. u.s. navy is sending a black box search destroys to the -- device to the area in case they found the location. we'll get the malaysian prime minister and also what they're hearing in beijing as well. what do you think? is this it? send us a tweet @billhemmer and @marthamaccallum. we'll share a lot of your thoughts throughout the program today. all that is coming up here. martha: pro-russian forces catch turing another ukrainian naval base in ukraine and storming the gates and capturing two servicemen. unbelievable videos in the scene as they literally smashed through the gates of these ukrainian bases. ukraine is ordering all of their troops to come back to main land greg palkot has been covering there throughout the weekend streaming from ukraine. greg, what is the latest from crimea today? >> reporter: martha, it is basically over in crimea for the time-being anyway.

we've been tracking it as you said all throughout the weekend. the ukrainian officials now today are saying that the evacuation orders are in place for all troops and family members on the peninsula of crimea. basically that is a defacto surrender. this after another ukrainian base was overrun by russian troops this morning. armored vehicles. helicopters are told. we're told two soldiers were hurt. 80 troops were detained and taken away. we've been tracking it this weekend. bases and ships have been seized by the russians. our understanding is, that three top ukrainian officers will remain in custody. a few ships, a few bases, facilities are out moves could you's grasp but that is just for the moment. martha, i can tell you also that the folks here are watching very closely president obama's trip to europe, his meeting at the hague and elsewhere with officials. discussion about ukraine. they will welcome the white house statement that is come out today saying there should be costs, there should be

consequences if russia escalates. the big worry, i am hearing from the officials on the ground is that the russian troops poised on the other side of the eastern ukraine border might decide to move into ukraine proper. that is a fear. back to you. martha: understood. that would be a big deal. greg, thank you very much. bill: so we're off and running on a monday. it's a busy day too. jam-packed show as putin tightens his grip on crimea. mitt romney has some tough criticism for the president. >> there is no question but that the president's. >> i eve at this with regards to -- naivete with regard to russia and intentions of and objectives led to a number of foreign policy challenges that we face. martha: strong words. kt will join us with her thoughts on all of that. a major oil spill shutting down one of the world's busiest waterways. we'll tell you where that is going on. bill: a landmark case in the supreme court pitting your

religious liberties against obama care. >> i think administration's case is very weak and i think it has enormous political implications. if hobby lobby chooses to avoid providing this coverage for contraceptives out of 20 they are required to, they will get fines of half a billion dollars a year. ♪ ♪

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martha: what is called a significant oil spill blocking one of the world's busiest ports right now. a barge carrying 900,000 gallons of oil collided with a ship in galveston bay in houston, spilling 20% of the cargo into the water. they are working to clean up the massive spill which is threatening to birds and in a wildlife sanctuaries. it is a mess as you might imagine. no timetable has been set when they might fet that -- bill: meantime landmark case best supreme court tomorrow that could chip away further at obamacare. it pits the law against

religious liberty. who wins here? the law forces larger businesses to cover employees birth control but the owners of the hobby lobby store chain that brought the suit say certain forms of contraception violate their religious beliefs. it's a case that will have lasting implications for the law and american's constitutional rights. listen. >> do we really want a corporation to be able to have its own religious views and impose them on its employees? what would that mean for our separation of church and state? for individual liberty, what would it mean about corporate personhood? >> privately held corporation by the way. and this case, i think they have got a very strong argument. they won at district level. i think they will win at the supreme court. bill: katie pavlich, townhall.com. steven sigman. former communications director for new jersey governor john corzine. good morning to both of you. katy, can hobby lobby win best

court. >> i think they absolutely can win. it will be very difficult for the government attorneys to argue birth control is greater right than freedom of religion under the first amendment. when you look at the supreme court press den, when it comes to the first amendment we saw in the citizens united case we gave corporations ability to practice first amendment rights through the people who work through the corporation. i doubt they will have any other standard when it comes to corporations and people working for those corporations also exercising freedom of religion under first amendment. bill: steven, can lobby hobby win? >> i do agree with katie, that they could win but i don't they agree they should win. corporations have to follow, local, state and federal laws all the time this is one they would have to follow. that doesn't mean that the court might not side with hobby lobby. the court is unpredictable. bill: seems to be a pretty clear argument. you wonder what the scotus

decides. it is a, imposition of religious beliefs, or b, free exercise of religion. katie, stephen agrees that the court rules as you believe. that hobby lobby wins. >> i said could. bill: okay. if hobby lobby does win then, what are the implications i should say for obamacare, katie? >> we have to remember before obama care passed 85% of the corporations were already offering contraception coverage as part of their health care plans. so it is really not that either shattering thing in terms of people somehow not getting their contraception covered if they worked for a certain corporation. the implications obamacare once again proves this law was set up in a way that was a huge government overreach did not consider the implications the law would have constitutionally on all angles. let's not forget that president obama consulted planned parenthood officials before he consulted the supreme court precedent on this exact issue. proves again they rushed it through before they read it

and -- bill: to be clear it clips away at the law? what is the effect of this? >> there rally isn't an effect. as katie points out. the 85% already covered contraception. i think you will find more corporations covering contraception under the law but this really is a very, very, narrow issue the republicans are trying to use again to try to make a divisive political issue in the midterm election. bill: privately-held company. can the government tell it what to do? >> sure. the government tells private-held companies what to do. osha laws. there is non-discrimination laws. there are laws. >> osha laws don't violate first amendment. bill: hang on, katie. finish stephen. >> there are local, federal and state laws that corporations have to follow every single day. the bottom line here is contraception is good public policy. bill: you said that before. let me squeeze back to katie. katie you say the difference here is religion. >> the huge difference here is

this is first amendment issue. this isn't just some regulation from osha or any other local, state or federal regulation put on business they have to follow. this is a very important constitutional question here of whether corporations are allowed to embrace their religious rights or whether that's going to be taken away by the government coming in and telling them that they can't exercise their freedom of religion due to what you call good public policy. bill: we are out of time. stephen, thank you. katie, thanks to you. oral arguments are tomorrow on tuesday best justices in washington. thanks. martha. >> thanks. martha: so there is breaking news at one of the country's busiest airports right now. a commuter train at chicago o'hare's airport derailed and sent travelers running for safety. >> i heard a boom. when i got of the train, the train was all the way up the escalator. >> it was a lot of panic because it was hard to get them people off the train. >> just in shock.

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martha: we are back with a fox news alert on a very chaotic situation playing out this morning in chicago. a commuter train at o'hare jumped the track and ran over the platform injuring dozens of people. we're getting a lot of tweets about this morning with numbers. they are still trying to figure out how many are injured and what happened here. garrett tenney is live near chicago o'hare's international airport. garrett, what are you learning about what happened there? >> reporter: yeah, martha, this

is something that investigators are still looking into. they say it is very much an active investigation. it was just before 3:00 a.m. local time this morning though when the chicago transit authority train was coming up on the last stop at chicago o'hare international airport where, when rather than stopping there, it ran straight through the bumpers, jumped up on to the sidewalk and up the trams and on to the escalate tomorrow. it was something like out of a action movie. there were 50 people on board the train at this time. 30 people were injured that is the latest numbers we have from the cta we are told most of the individuals just have some bumps and bruises and neck and back injuries but nothing serious as of this time but what they are looking into how this happened. at the end of that train line they have these metal bumpers that are supposed to help decelerate the train as it comes in, but what passengers are saying, this train didn't slow down at all as it normally works instead ran right through there.

so they are looking exactly how this happened. they're saying at this time this train is going to be up on the escalator and stairs for much of the day as they work to dismantle it and take it off the train and can look further into this. 10 ambulances were brought to the scene though and in special crews, initially they thought there could be people stuck underneath those trains. they learned just a couple hours ago that wasn't the case. they say thankfully this was much slower period, one. slowest periods they have at an early, early, monday morning period, martha. martha: wow, that is good news. what about the operator of this train? we've seen similar cases before where there was operator error involved? >> reporter: yeah, that is something they are looking into. there is a train operator that does manually control whether that train slows down and speeds up from stop to stop, so they do have that operator and they are speaking to them. they are going to do, it is standard protocol to do some

drug and alcohol testing on them and they're awaiting those results to see operator error was the case or if this was more of a mechanical failure on the train's part. martha. martha: i bet they will check to see if anybody was texting at the tile too. that is issue in other train derailments. barrett, thank you very much. we'll check in later. bill: there could be a significant break in the mystery of flight 370. we've been down this road before but today objects have been found floating in the indian ocean and a news conference has been called for the top of the hour. and some of the families are meeting with officials in beijing china. could this be it? we'll have it live for you top of the hour on that. martha: russia revamping its forces. will it push further today into ukraine? >> they are growing. we don't know what putin has in his mind and what would be his decision. the situation is

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an australian ship was sent to the area and it is hoped that the crew will be able to retrieve those objects. it is our understanding that has not happened yet. this as some critics say the indian ocean is where we should have been looking all along. including mike mccaul, chairman of the homeland security committee saying sunday the malaysian government may have bungled response in the very beginning and this dragged out much too long. >> i think the malaysian government spent way too much time focus on the northern route in the gulf of thailand and kazahkstan. it would have been picked up by radar and we knew that. and satellite imagery given to the malaysians established that. we waste adweek of precious time from that region all along it has been in the southern indian ocean i think where is the location at. bill: we may find out if he is correct in a matter of moments. we're also told malaysian airlines has called an emergency meeting with the families in

beijing china. that is expected to happen within the hour. again we're awaiting a news conference. top of the hour out of kuala lumpur, the prime minister of malaysia. the first time we have heard from the prime minister so far. we'll bring that to you live on camera. martha: very interesting. stick around for that. meantime, back to this big story today, pro-russian troops capturing another ukrainian naval base in crimea over the weekend as president vladmir putin tightens his grip on that peninsula and russia builds up its forces along ukraine's eastern border now as president obama heads to europe today, going to the hague in part to talk about the crisis that is ongoing in ukraine. republicans like former republican nominee mitt romney sayings, i told you so. >> there is no question but that the president's naivete with regards to russia and his faulty judgment about russia's intentions and objectives, has led to a number of foreign

policy challenge that is we face. we really need to understand that russia has very different interests than ours. this is not fantasy land. this is reality where they are a geopolitical adversary. martha: kt mcfarland is a fox news national security analyst and former deputy assistant secretary of defense for the reagan administration and she joins me now. you look at all this, kt, and you've outlined, you know, the deep thinking that we know of putin, based on his dissertation, based on things he has written or said over the years, when he spoke to the people of russia last week they were moved to tears by his nationalist fervor to reunite mother russia. how could all of this sort of gone without notice by this administration? >> martha, if it was an honest mistake that the obama administration got it wrong okay, but it wasn't an honest mistake. it was a deliberate thing. they refused to see anything through anybody eyes other than their own. even to the point where last

week president obama and secretary kerry are saying putin has to understand, this isn't in russia's best interests. he doesn't have to understand that he sees the world differently. he laid out how he sees the world. obama may say to romney, you're an old fogy you still believe in the cold war. guess what. putin still believes in the cold war. martha: he is same kind of fogy. he wants to win it. >> that is what he is setting out to do. martha: funny when i look at all the phrases the administrations uses he has to live in this century. he is not thinking like we think now. he is not cool and hip to what the geopolitical reality is now and he would never try this. but you know obviously he is on a very different page. >> yeah. martha: but i'm wondering, you know the president gets briefed on foreign policy on a daily basis, right? is there nobody who has been sort of tooting that horn in that oval office saying you really need to keep an eye on a this guy. we're watching this.

that is when the impact, that is when the action could have been more effective, right? >> if we had, if the administration seen this coming there were number of things they could have done. gone to the europeans said you will potentially be blackmailed because of energy. russia sells you all the natural gas that powers your machinery. we'll help you find and alternative to that. president obama could have said, keystone pipeline, american energy independence, not only is that good for america but get the world off of russian and middle east oil. none of those things were done. in fact, even as i said, just a few days ago, they're saying not in russia's best interests. you know, russia is not on the gameplan. putin spent 15 years getting russia ready into the position where economically, politically, militarily back and has the ability to blackmail all of europe because of their energy dependence on russia's natural resources. he is going to quickly takes what he wants. hopefully he doesn't have to take it from his point of view, hopefully he will not have to use military force.

maybe political intimidation, economic blackmail will do. the thing to watch is the baltics, estonia, latvia, legitimate rain waa. he told former georgian president saakashvili that is what he wanted. the problem we have a nato allies, we have treaty, if you're attacked, with armed aggression against you we cram bell our jets with military assistance that. is the thing to watch that could come as early as next month or two. martha: what happens now? you've seen this mobilization of troops along the eastern ukraine. >> yeah. martha: the president is at the hague. what's next? >> i guess he is filling out his brackets but there is a problem, what the president should do this week. he is in europe meeting with all the heads of europe. he should at end of this we'll have american-european energy summit. i pledge, america, will help you europe become energy independent from russia. we'll do it within 10 years. we'll do it probably within five years. here are the steps i'm going to

take, my country is going to take, our country will take, so you can get on the blackmail russia is putting on you. then we can do a lot together. right now we have very limited options. throwing a bunch of sanctions on a dozen guys, 20 guys, you will not get visas, you can't spend your summers in the hamptons that is not effective. martha: there was some talk they were gaining a little bit of traction with sanctions in terms of making them a little bit tougher, but now when we talk about what should have happened prior, when you talk about estonia and lithuania and latvia, what could we be doing now to bolster our relationship with them so we give them the confidence and support they need in case it does come to their doorstep. >> well i think what we can do immediately, if ukraine wants military assistance and they want weapons because they want to fight the russians, give them what they need. talk to our european allies which president obama will be doing this week, say to them, we have to stand together on this otherwise he will pick them off,

one, two, three, four, there is long precedent for doing that. to go back and look at speech that president putin of russia made as you said, they were weeping, they were crying, they were cheering. they are behind him in whatever he is going to do now. martha: do you find that president obama is going to talk to the european allies and be really forceful with them, say, look, you guys need to be on board and we need to get together on this today. we need to go out there and make a very strong proclamation because -- they have their own energy interests as you point out. they don't seem to be so anxious to sign on. we have to go. >> president obama should man up. but at the end of the day europeans will not economically be able to join a lost sanctions, banking or others. martha: always a pleasure. bill? bill: quick check on the market, 20 minutes best hour. whole new week and dow is opening up stronger about 60 points right now. the ahead of nuclear talks an increasing tensions over russia and ukraine. dow closed 2points on friday.

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martha: all right. so you're going to want to stick around for this. at top of the hour you can see them setting up the podium. we've gotten word there will be a news conference coming from the malaysian prime minister. this will be the only second time he has spoken to the public since this plane went down.

we also know that about 30 minutes ago they alerted families of those on the plane that they also needed to be present to listen to this, or somewhere where they could hear the news that will be reported at the top of the hour. so stick around. we will have breaking news coverage on flight 370 moments away. bill: last call for obamacare? seven days until the deadline to sign up for the new health care law as we mark four years since the law was signed. karl rove, former senior advisor, deputy chief of staff to president bush, fox news contributor, back home in austin. good morning to you, karl? >> good morning, bill. bill: you i thought it was, if this is your signature piece of legislation, after eight years in the white house, once you leave, this is, this is pretty much your biggest accomplishment, you're four years into it, you've got a significant anniversary yesterday on sunday. you're seven days away from the deadline. why is no significant player

from the administration on the sunday chat show? do you find that, do you find that curious? >> well, i find it curious but it is easily explainable. every single promise used to sell the affordable care act has turned out not to be true. premiums were supposed to go down $2500. they're up considerably more than $2500. your deductibles are up. people were supposed to keep their own plan if they liked it. that turned out not to be true. you can keep your doctor if you like it. that turned out not to be true. we'll not raise taxes on anybody that makes less than $250,000 a year. yet we slapped taxes on insurance policies, hospital providerses, drug companies, medical device companies. the costs will be picked up by people who are sick, many who don't make $150,000 a or more a year. every single promise used to sell the thing, we'll have 7 million people signed up. we have 12 million people

benefited from new law, all these things are turning out not to be true. i would not want to put out my spokesman to have this him beat up on the sunday shows. bill: no significant administration player and youthy don't open hem themselves up to be a target. but at some point you will have to answer this. now i guess ellen didn't have a show over the weekend. you have two themes you get from democrats on this. number five million, five million signed up. repeatedly we hear that this we hear from nancy pelosi as well. the word begins with an a, affordable. >> affordable. affordable. there is a reason. affordable. affordable. affordable. affordable. affordable. the reason they changed the name of it is because they wanted to get away, the opponents from the word affordable. bill: so you've got two major themes. it will save you money and five million signed up. so how many people remember the

original claim that seven million were supposed to sign up by end of march? >> a lot don't. let's be honest about it, as of last week, five million people had pick ad plan. their goal was to have seven million people by the end of the month. earlier they actually said eight million people by end of the month. remember these are people, five million, have selected a plan. you're not, when you select a plan to pay for it. estimates from private surveys of the insurance market that 20% of the people who picked a plan have not signed up for a plan. in other words, they have have to have 8.4 million people pick a plan to have 7 million people sign up. they're at five million people who pick ad plan as of last week. there is no way they're going to get anywhere close to enrolling 7 million new people who have paid for their plans. it just ain't going to happen. unless, here is interesting number about those people. a survey indicates that roughly 27% of those people were previously uninsured. so in other words, most of the people who signed up for

insurance coverage through the exchanges already had health insurance coverage and lost it because obamacare didn't let them keep the plan they wanted to keep or let them have a doctor they want to have. bill: how do republicans react to those two points? that it is affordable, which i'm sure you will hear more about, also this five million number? >> look, remember this, there is a disconnect between the experience of people going through this process and rhetoric of people like nancy pelosi. i was just talking to somebody who went to a union meeting on saturday because her plan got canceled and she had to go to the union meeting in order to figure out what kind of coverage she was going to be able to get. guess what? her premiums will be higher than they were. the plan will cost her more out-of-pocket. the deductible will be higher and they will cover less things. she is not happy because it is obamacare. the president and nancy pelosi can go out there and say affordable, affordable but they will deal with people who compared to what they used to

pay and what they paid today. what their deductible used to be and what their deductible used to say and it is not affordable for me. it is getting less affordable. bill: march 31st, seven days from now. thank you, karl. we have breaking news. see you later in the week. karl rove. martha: we are waiting at the top of the hour to hear from the prime minister in malaysia with the very latest on these pieces of possible debris that have been found off the coast of australia. as soon as this gets underway, we'll take you there live. we know they're mobilizing the family to bring them to the area as well. it certainly sound like there could be something to all of these discoveries over the weekend. we want to follow that minute by minute. we'll take you there live at the top of the hour. we'll be right back.

martha: all right. we are back and we are waiting for a news conference at the top of the hour just moments away from the malaysian prime minister. it was just announced, set to begin at top of the hour as i said. the australian search teams have found several objects, one is said to be green and circular. the other, orange and rectangular. this is the first solid lead that we have seen in three weeks since this plane disappeared. dozens of ships are now powering their way to this region and emergency families meeting has also now been called. an aviation attorney and law professor joins me now. sal,. what does this sound like to you? >> the fact we're looking at something circular is probably the most interesting thing to me. airplanes are made up of somewhat circular or oval shaped items as they make the fuselage and this fuselage is 20 feet, 21 feet in diameter. so depending on the size of this

object it would really be interesting to see how much of a diameter we have here because if it indeed is about that size, maybe that is the first really solid lead we've had in this area. >> how difficult do you think it will be with these ships heading toward that area? weather has been very rough, you know, to actually get to the site and to make a positive identification? >> well, that is going to be tough and the p-8 is probably the best aircraft equipped to do that. it can fly in instrument conditions so the weather won't affect it as much. i'm also interested in the fact that the pacific fleet dispatch ad tpl, which is towed pinger location to the area. that is the device, if pingers on black boxes are still broadcasting and they should be, we're well within the 30-day spec life of ping locators they should pick it up to a depth of about 20,000 feet. martha: we know the ocean in

that area is that type. it is very deep, very dark, very unexplored in some cases part of the ocean. as you point out, they are trailing the towed ping locator which you mentioned. this is the united states. naval officials say that vessel used to toe it would be most likely be a commercial vessel by the malaysians and our equipment used on it and it would be towed to the area and then what happens, sal? >> it is towed over the area where they think the wreckage is located. you have to remember we may locate this wreckage many, many miles further upstream, up current if you would than where the wreckage is actually located. so they will have to make an estimate on that. the p8 can put sonar buoys in the water to give us an indication how fast the currents are traveling that will allow them to do the math and turn around and try to get an at least a approximate location. remember we need to be close

before these pingers can even be attempted. martha: all right, sal. we'll take everybody live there, just under five minutes from now. stick with us for this breaking news in malaysian airlines flight 370. bill: we're pulling in any information we get here. our sister network, sky news, is reporting that some of the families in beijing, china, will be taken from beijing to australia after these objects were spotted in the search area in the southern indian ocean. if that is true that would be significant as well. we don't know. we're waiting for confirmmation on all this stuff. and that information should be forth coming in a moment here from the malaysian prime minister, live coverage on that, out of kuala lumpur when we continue in a moment. aren't. why? because selling thfunds makes them more money. which makes you wonder. isn't at a conflict? search "proprietary mutual funds". yikes!! then go to e*trade. we've got over 8,000 mutual funds and not one of them has our name on it. we're in the business of finding the right investments for u. e*trade. less for us, more for you.

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data. using a type of analysis, never before used in an investigation of this sort, they have been able to shed more light on flight mh370's flight path. based on the new analysis, the company and the aaib have conclud concluded that flight mh370 flew along the southern corridor and that it's last position was in the middle of the indian ocean

west of perth. this is a remote lotion far from any possible landing sights. it is therefore with deep sadness, and regret, that i must inform you that according to this new data flight mh370 ended in the southern indian ocean. we will be holding a press conference tomorrow with further detai details. in the meantime, we wanted to inform you of this new development at the earliest

opportunity. we share this information out of a commitment to openness and respect for the families; two principles which have guided this investigation. malaysian airlines have spoken to the family of the passengers and crews to inform them of this development. for them, the past few weeks have been heartbreaking. i know this news must harded. i urge the media to respect their privacy and allow them to space they need at this very

difficult time. >> all right. moments ago. you heard from the malaysian prime minister that says to a to the latest information they have been able to conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that flight mh370 ended in the indian ocean and he said it was with deep sadness they share this information 30 minutes ago with the family. they believe the flight was lost and ended in the ocean. so he is concluding the pieces being picked up from the satellites from the chinese and australias have indeed treckage.

we know search boats are going going to the area and there is a ping locater to locate the black box. some answers are beginning to surface, there are so many questions about how and why the transponders were turned off. why the plane took a different direction from the route it was on. and how it landed in the indian ocean as we have just heard from the malaysian prime minister. >> it is little after 10 p.m. in kuala lumpur. that is only the second time the prime minister has spoken publically. we know this would be significant news of his presence and our sister network is

reporting family members will be coming to australia in a couple days. for the first time ever we are using satellite technology in a way that has never been used before. if this plays out, flight mh370 ended in the southern indian ocean. sal is here. good morning. you had a six hour flight from kuala lumpur to bejing that was planned with an additional hour on board in case there is an issue in bejing. if you look at the line, this plane flew 7.5 hours in the air, if this plays out the way it has been explained to us, what happened? >> i think this is the analysis

we received from the prime minister and what we have been waiting for. what is happening is the satellite is trying to estimate the location of the air craft each time it receives a signal from the airplane. it was having trouble doing that because it wasn't on a predicted course so they were the way the satellite was comensating to determine if this was northern or southern arc now we know it is at the southern arc and that means it was at the end of fuel about the area we are seeing the searching going on >> the question is going back to why. you told martha that round object they discovered was important. why? >> most things are not flat or

something that will roll off the slide of a ship. but airplanes are made in oval shapes. the engine fields are round or almost round. so when you see round objects you say this isn't from a ship. this could be from an aircraft. >> let's go back to the information we have gathered over the last 16 days or so which goes to the changes in the altude of the plane at different points during it's path. and the fath the transponders cut-out and up until you there was discussion about the plane landing somewhere, but if if ended in the indian ocean, how do you put that information together with the facts?

>> something intention happened prior to it crashing. when we talk about the a-cart being turned off and then right in the small session of when there is no communication available the aircraft makes turn and we are told that is based on input into the a pilot system. that tells us it was human involvement. we see a primary blip on the radar and that tells us the transponder was turned off and stayed off. it wasn't failure. it stayed off at that altitude. i am less concerned about the

altitude changes because we are dealing a non-transponder case so judging the altitude isn't science. the difference could be something that would be much more dichfficult to determine a it could be an error. >> you are left with all of these hours, right? if you go back to the one theory it might have been a suicide issue, you are left with all of the hours the plane flew. that leaves you with the unconscio unconscious theory or the pane stuart theory. >> that part we'll not know for a while until and unless we find the black boxes. if human involvement can be the

involvement of this, how does an aircraft have a fire that the crew is incapacitated but they fly for hours >> 20,000 feet deep water there. and this is the edge of the world. do they find the black box? >> i think the fact we are this close within a few weeks that gives us a shot. we talked about the 30 days of pingers. it has lasted longer than that. in air france, we know it went on for two months. so we may get a weaker signal, but it maybe an option still.

>> so you are saying there is a window of time past the 30 days? >> yes and the only good news we are getting is the typhoon looks like it will not hurt the area. ken christian is here and he has flown search for rescue missions. good morning. >> good morning, bill. >> you heard the news. what do you make of it? >> i have. >> what do you make of it? >> i think this is more promising. i agree with round meaning aircraft and that is also important. but you want to get a ship or a plane and get eyes on that debris and find out if that is aircraft wreckage or debris. >> ken, also we are going to show the timeline in a moment, but was we await, this could be

the biggest break. and they talk about the satellite being used the first time. what do you think about that? >> they are pulling all of the resources. the debris floats and you can see where the field is and look where the drift has been and find a point of origin where the plane entered the water if this is determined to be the aircraft debris field. >> martha? >> ken, when you look at the map we are looking at flight and you look at the area where the plane went down, only one of the big

questions have been answered: what is your next question as we wait and hope that black box gets found, in terms of putting together the pieces of this flight? >> that is correct, martha. determine it is the aircraft part that has been floating for two weeks. you will have have to get data and the navy is dropping drift bu buoys in the water so they should have an idea where the drift is and go back to the point of origin and that is where you will search for the under water beacon and you have 14 days and i agree, it should transm transmit, but it is advertised for 30 day.

>> and even at the deepest parts in the area, you think it could be found? >> it can be up to two miles and 20,000 feet is right outside of that. but with the acoustical censor they will tow behind the boat at a slower speed, they will do a grid search and i am confidant they will pick it up >> does this answer any questions on what the intention was or whether or not the pilots were likely involved? >> this is why it is critically important to find the wreckage. pieces of wreckage you will find was there an in-flight fire, you will find out if there was a rapid depressure.

that will show up. >> at 12:41 flight mh370 set to take off at kuala lumpur, this is a six hour flight to bejing china. in the dead of night the two pilots on board, at 1:07 a.m. the transponder and transmission from the planes were sent to the satellite. it veers west and the copilot says good night 12 minutes later. two minutes later, the transponder stopped working and there were two. thailand radar picks up the plane and several minutes later the same program seize the plane on the western path now and 1:37

it isn't transmitted. you are in the black whole and where is the flight. at 2:15 last seen on the radar in malaysian and then at on the satite at 8 a.m. and this is the debris field -- satellite -- in the southern indian ocean off the coast of perth, australia. when the prime minister talks about satellite imagery used for the first time did you understand what he is saying? >> he is talking about the a-car system and the satellite was trying to pick up where the plane would be next and it can make a bread crumb path.

they were having trouble earlier on determining whether or not the satellite was changing angles to the north or south. when they determined it was in the southern arc, this is new technology for them, how we know that, we know a better way to look. >> that is a very interesting visual. the bread crumbs left along the path. the southern indian circulation doesn't get a lot of circulation because there is not a lot to look at. >> sure. they don't analyze that area or look in that area much. so there is very little reason to look down there because there is nothing there.

>> let's go back to what we heard from the malaysian prime minister. here is what he said: >> based on the new analysis, we have concluded that flight mh370 flew along the southern corridor and that its last position was in the middle of the indian ocean west of perth. this is a remote location far from any possible landing sights. it is therefore with deep sadness and regret that i must inform you that according to

this new data flight mh370 ended in the southern indian ocean. >> there you have. the asian prime minister believes the plane and flight ended in the south indian ocean and now we have ships heading in that direction, including the tpl, which is called the toad pinger locater. this is coming from the united states navy. it is leaving out of jfk at 1 p.m. headed to that direction so it can get into the water and be towed by a malaysian vessel off the coast of perth, australia and this is the guy everybody hopes is going to come up with information that it will pick up

off the black box which we know has 30 days of battery power. sometimes it knows two months like the flight that crashed leavi leaving brazil on the way to paris. >> if they can recover some of the pieces, you will get clues off that. think about flight 800 in 1996 that was recovered off the coast of long island here, you can see burn marks or charred marks if there was a fire or explosion. >> and they will be able to tell if the plane broke on impact as it was going down, or as you are suggesting someone may have happened mid-air >> the black box is key. it will give you what was said in the final two hours, the altitude and lotion. this is breaking news and we are

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>> we are back with the breaking news with flight mh370 and william is here. he has covered this from the beginning and william, what sound like very big developments today. >> well, you know, i think there is two things i heard from the conversation in the last 15 minutes. remember that u.s. and uk intelligence services helped provide the data to the australians. they came up with the linear track, if you will, of the airplane and that is related to our intelligence services provided information to australia as to where this might

be. the second thing is the race to get the pieces on ships. we need to get feootnotfootnote photo -- photos and take pictures of them. you saw a larger object, surrounded by bigger ones, and then an australia plane located gray/green object and that is consistent with the metal airframe and the orange reck is consistent with the life floats. so they are rushing to recover the objects, get it in their hands, pho

hands, foots of t -- photos of it -- and send it away. >> is there any reason to be cautious because we don't have that yet? everybody is wanting to solve the problem. everybody has been casting doubt on how the malaysian officials have handled this. but the prime minister believes the plane went down in the mid official the indian ocean and there are no survivors >> this is like a puzzle. and this is encouraging news. but this is a widely used shipping lane and the currents in the area are very strong. so you will find wood en pallet

and other items. >> so the toad ping locater is going to flight out of jfk. if the correct site is located you can here down to 20,000 feet. it is super sensitive hydro phone that is getting towed out. we have mike boyd on the phone here. what do you make of what you have heard? >> i think we have the check the source. the malaysian prime minister hasn't been reliable. he maybe saying this to get it

closed. i frankly don't trust the man >> you sound dubious. >> i am dubious of what has come out of the malaysian government the last two weeks. it is shameful. when the prime minister makes a statement we think it went down into the indian ocean, fine. he is not reputable. >> what if you had a piece of the plane? >> then we would know. but that is going to be hard. there is debris in the ocean because of the shipping lanes naturally and you have the situation where you have to have information that will give you information about the airplane. like air france you found the

stabilizer. we will not know if we don't find the black box. we will have assume, but i don't trust this guys. >> it could the chinese ships recovered this and got a look at it and said this is it. >> have we heard that? i don't know. >> no, we have not. >> i would trust the chinese and australia, but not the malaysian. >> what does it tell you they are sending that ping? >> i think it makes sense and they think the plane crashed there. >> it is only the second time he has spoken. it is interesting you say that. we are taking in viewer reaction

and they are doubtful on this as well. however, if you have a piece of the jet that have been recovered, how much could that tell you about what happened? >> a lot. depends on what they find -- it could tell you a lot or it could tell you great, we found the airplane. >> and you need the black boxes? >> i would agree, if it is there, they will find it like we did with air france 447. it will help, but it will not tell us why this happened and who these guys were >> you have two black boxes. one is a cock pit voice recorder that can record up to two hours

and the other is a data recorder. the first is valuable if no one spoken or you had a de-pressure in the cabin is everyone is dead there is no audio. >> no audio, noises then we will know something happened to knock the crew out. that is good information to have. >> if you get a piece of the plane, if it is brought on board a ship, and you can say this is where the debris field is located you cannot tell what was on board unless you have the box? >> yes, the biggest thing from this is closure for the family. >> based on the news, the families will be going to perth,

australia and we'll see if that report plays out. mike boyd from the faa, thank you. >> we will stay on top of this. breaking news in flight mh370 as both race to the location to try to pull some of the debris on board and investigate it. we will be right back with more in "america's newsroom." in "america's newsroom." in "america's newsroom." hey, i notice your car is not in the driveway. yeah. it's in the shop. it's going to cost me an arm and a leg. that's hilarious. sorry. you shoulda taken it to midas. get some of that midas touch. they tell you what stuff needs fixing, and what stuff can wait. next time i'm going to midas. high-five! arg! i did not see that coming. trust the midas touch. for brakes, tires, oil, everything. (whistling) [ male announcer ] this m has an accomplished research and analytical group at his disposal. ♪ but even more pressive

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>> for them, the fast few weeks have been heartbreaking.

i know this news must be harder still. i urge the media to respect their privacy and allow them the space they need as this very difficult time. >> that was just a second time that we have heard from the prime minister since this plane fell off the radar and i am joined by robert mark, commercial pilot and publisher of jetwine.com. robert, welcome. good to have you with us. >> thank you, martha. >> what did he know and not know? >> i share the previous' guest

sentiment with what is coming from the ocean. but i am hopefully they got the information with enough confidence to get the prime minister out there that is giving them a pretty good idea they have something to latch on to here because i cannot imagine them going out on a limb with the families of all of the these passengers on a whim that is unproven. >> you would hope not. they have gotten grief around the world for the action they have taken. and the families have been through hell and two give them any information that was anything less than the best they had would be rough. we know that the families are being flown to perth, australia

to be closer to the site where this plane went into the oak ocean. now what? what is next? >> next i think the australia ships are the closest to this debris they have found. as we have said, we don't know for certain what this is and we will not know until a ship pulls up along side. but they do seem fairly confidant they have something that is valuable. we will know in the next 24 hours or so. by then it is either is a piece of the plane or it isn't. i am hoping it is. because if it isn't, we don't have a lead in the world. >> yeah. boy, that is the truth. and as you point out, until they get a positive identification,

this area is known as the garb n area and there is a lot of debris on there. but we have to think they are working on a degree of certainty based on the images. it doesn't change the other facts we have in terms of the transponder going off and the western bank the plane took after the all right, good night signal. what do you think at this point, robe robert? >> the story in the back of my mind is how in the world did an air plane heading north end up in the southern indian ocean? i just can't imagine what went on in the airplane. >> you are not alone.

robert mark, thank you. >> was it pilot suicide or was the plane hijacked? kathleen bangs, an aviation analyst is here what to talk to us. kathleen, good morning. based on what we think we know, is this it? >> well, i mean i have to agree with your previous guest that n in -- until -- we have a piece of the airplane, everything that occurs coming from malaysia is premature and sometimes inaccurate. what we have is the satellite company, which initially said our satellite has tracked this airplane at what they call a 40 degree path meaning it went

north or south and we have known that for a good week. now they are saying they are con fidant with the analysis of the satellite ping that the airplane took the southern route. what is sad about that is the chances of anybody surviving in the remote ocean is just about nothing. the positive is it would provide closure. we have search and rescue planes that are reporting seeing debris in the ocean and marked them. but the ships haven't been able to get to pieces. so we have no positive of idea of this being flight mh370 or 777 debris. >> even the currents take the debris or it is possible it could be sinking for being spotted. >> that is true.

since the airplane has been missing, my theory is something happened mechanically and the crew has been unconscious and the airplane crashed earlier or continued on as a ghost flight with no body at the control. because so much information has been coming out that is incorrect, we are pinning every we have on the slight pings telling us this airplane suffered a catastrophic failure and they are saying the plane dived to 12,000 feet which is indicative of a sudden emergency like a rapid decompression and there is lot of eye witnesses that reported ball in the air but we are supposed to believe it continued to fly on to the fuel reserves unpil

un-piloted. and it is difficult to believe that because the plane isn't going to have the fuel reserves it would have had it dropped like that and i am not sure it would have flown to perth at 12,000 feet because the air is denser. so i am still unsure because of the points there. >> more coming up on the breaking news of the discovery of what they believe according to t prime minister of malaysia saturday plain they have been searching for 16 days. we are back with more after

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>> back to the breaking news, 45 minutes ago the prime minister of malaysia said flight mh370 ended deep in the ocean. the president is traveling in europe and the white house will give a statement in a bit and we will pass it on. back to the discussion here and let's talk about the satellite system from britain. how does it canvas the earth? how good of a view can it get? >> bill, i think what the best thing to look at is this satellite looks for a specific airplane and receives the data

from that and transmits it back to the manufactures or the maintenance people. it tries to determine where the aircraft is, and then where it is going to be next time they do a handshake and that is the actual communication between the aircraft and the satellite. the satellite was expected it to be further up the northeast line, didn't see it, started looking for the aircraft it wanted and the ground controllers were able to determine what angle the satellite were looking for. that is how they came up with the north and south. >> last wednesday and thursday we talked about these images from the same company. what could have changed five days late? >> these are from satellite.

we are looking for larger objects or perhaps pieces of debris. yesterday, with the rounder objects coming from the pp3 hch-oryhch- o-ryan and they are flying at lower levels and they will pick up smaller objects. i would suspect we will see a lot of pieces of debris >> do you think you would find that with the currents? 16 days later still afloat? >> it may come to the surface and go back down. we are told the currants are counter clockwise and within them they have anti-cyclones going on. so i know the p-8 sent out

devices that go into the water and they will determine what the currants are doing and give us a piece of if they are related and where they came from >> ken, are you doubtful or is this it? >> you have to take a piece up and see if this is aircraft. i would expect and agree with sal that if the aircraft did impact that area, it is going to be broken up. the plastic sides of the aircraft and skin has a thin layer of insulation. this shreds and floats and the seat cushions will float as well. some of the other wing areas have voids where they will hold

fuel and when the fuel isn't there there is trapped area so portions of the wing can float but the violent nature of hitting the water compromises that and water le rer leaks out will sink. >> thank you both as well. standby and when we get more we will come back to you. we have more on flight mh370 coming up a bit later. we have another heartwrenching story for you. the agonizing wait for the family of justina that is pinning a hospital against a family. we are joined by her father and sister >> i went up to say enough is enough and we are going back to

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>> we will have more on the breaking news of flight mh370 in a moment. but first a wait for the family hoping to regain custody of their daughter after a judge delayed the ruling. justina pelletier has been a ward of the state of massachusetts for over a year after the department of family and services took custody when the parents tried to remove her from boston's children's viteae when they wanted to change her treatment plan.

last time we spoke, you thought the judge's decision was imminent, what happened? >> we went to court a week ago today. he was supposed to make a decision. he seems to like to kick the can down the road. he said friday and friday came and he said no decision until tuesday. >> do you find that encouragine? >> no, the fact he is not doing a private conference or having us come to the court thinks he doesn't want us to here whatever the news he is going to a announce. >> your daughter suffers from a mito disease and was taken from tu tu tufts to this massachusetts

hospital and they took her saying this is a mental issue and not being treated right. and you have saying there are thousands of stories like this? >> yes, thousands >> have you seen your sister? >> i saw her friday and this is the most severe i have seen her legs swollen. she was adema and you cannot see her ankles. they are cold. she cannot feel her feet or from her hips down. that is scary. those red lines and marks on her stomach are more red than the week prior and they are not going to get her checked out or have her looked out until after the court ruling. so i don't get how you can just neglect somebody's medical care like that.

the swelling in the legs could be heart, kidney -- we have kidney families in the problem >> so no medical doctor has been seeing her for these issues? >> and this is why we don't trust this court system at all. the judge announced already over two and a half weeks ago that tuft's doctors could be put back in charge but the massachusetts department of family services is putting a block on it. people need to yell and scream at the people of authority that could stop this. >> thank you very much. we understand. >> three americans on board and a reaction from one of them based out of texas and we are on that as the coverage continues

on flight mh370. on flight mh370.

(car starting) on flight mh370. great. this is the last thing i need.

seriously? the last thing you need is some guy giving you a new catalytic converter when all you got is a loose gas cap. what? it is that simple sometimes. thanks. now let's take this puppy over to midas and get you some of the good 'ol midas touch. hey you know what? i'll drive! and i have no feet... i really didn't think this through. trust the midas touch. for brakes, tires, oil, everything. (whistling)

bill: whatever the truth, ultimately 239 souls on flight 370. one of them on twitter. lift all loved ones for mh370. thank you for being our support and inspiration. phillip wood. age 50 from texas. martha: we'll be back later with more. jon: fox news alert. the long mystery as to what happened to malaysia airlines flight 370 might be coming to an end. good morning to you. i'm jon scott. jenna: hope you're off to a great week so far. i'm jenna lee. the latest from malaysian prime minister saying that the flight 370 ended in the southern indian ocean. new analysis of the satellite data that the plane carrying 239 people crashed in the indian ocean west of australia. the prime minister also says that the