this weekend, surrendering america. friday at 10:00 p.m., saturday at 10:00 p.m., sunday at 9:00 p.m. i urge you to watch it, my friend bret baier hosting it. wake up, step out of it! this is the fox news alert. we're awaiting a new update on the deadly mudslide in washington. we'll bring that to you as soon as it begins. should corporations have the same religious rights as people? the supreme court will decide that after hearing arguments from both family-owned business said and the government yesterday. they must cover contraception for employees even if it violates their religious principleses. here's a lawyer for one of those. >> tens of millions of people aren't in inshurnls plans covered by the mandate with no reason for the government to force the families to be

involved if they don't want to. there are plenty of ways to get drugs without dragging this people into it. hobby lobby provides standard birth control. >> what will the ten justices decide? it's a toss-up. >> i don't think you slam dunk either side. on the one side, you could see how it could be abused, where you would be forcing corporations, for example, to fund abortions. on the other hand, if you allow the religious -- the pleading that something is against your religion, you could have a religion or a ceo who says it's against my religion to -- to support or to subsidize vaccinations. >> all right, dana, a lot of discussion about this, analysis back and forth about how people think the court will decide. how do you see it? >> i think yesterday morning when you woke up and people started to focus on the hobby lobby case, there was a lot of confusion as to what the case

actually was. and then as usual, after 24 hours, after people have a chance to think about it and after the arguments were heard, the focus became more on the narrow question as you laid out in the intro, which is about corporations and can a corporation bring a case under this religious freedom restoration act? that's what the justices are going to decide. it is split, but i'm not a lawyer, you are. but just reading -- i'm able to read english. from what i could tell, i think that the administration overstepped its bound and the court will give them a hip check on it. >> i agree, as a lawyer. eric, what do you think? big issues at play. it could have far-reaching implications. this is one everyone wants to watch. >> what we really are talking about is hobby lobby and the other group that is represented. by the way, there are about 100 groups that are eventually going to be represented. their specific pushback is on the iuds and morning after pill

because they feel like there's already been conception and this killed a living conceived fetus, a being, so they're really pushing back on that hard. interesting when you hear some of the questioning that was going on, kagan and sotomayor and gin sburg were pushing hobb lobby hard. what makes you think you can do this? as a corporation, and get this exemption from the law, and it's very interesting. one of the last things i believe it was sotomayor, or it could have been kagan, don't worry because you can avoid this by paying the penalty, the $24 million penalty to hobby lobby. talked about it yesterday. that's exactly what they're trying not to do. not that the $24 million will bankrupt them, but that's in addition to having to supply their own health insurance. so they would have to supply health insurance for their employees, 13,000, and then pay a $24 million fine on top of it. again, under the religious freedom exemption -- >> or not provide health

insurance at all. >> bob, i'm going to let you respond, and then -- >> okay, i'm playing the role of greg gutfield. >> i'll do the best under my own physical restraints. this is not about the family. it's about 16,000 employees. they're the ones being discriminated against. you mean to tell me every one has the same views they do about abortion? i don't believe that for a second. the fact of the matter is if you start allowing corporations to pick and choose, charles said it was right, and i said it yesterday. you don't like gay people? you're not going to allow for hiv drugs? where does it start? a couple people in a family hold up the rights of 16,000 people who work for them. >> can i throw in -- and the difference again, the iud and morning after pill, which is killing a live being after it's been conceived. that's the difference. >> that's what they believe. maybe what you believe, what i

believe, but it's not what the law says. the people, 16,000 of them, may want -- >> that doesn't matter what the law says. it gets back to the narrow question about this entity, a corporation, because religious nonprofits and others who have the same concern that hobby lobby has, have been given an exemption by the obamacare. why shouldn't the exemption extend to people like the ones who run hobby lobby. >> the catholic charities -- this is a corporation that makes a lot of money. >> why are you affording exemptions for some, but it appears on the face to be discriminatory. >> it's religious groups who asked for the exemption, and they got it. >> explain it for us. >> i think you guys went over it pretty well. 36 exemptions so far roughly, so this is 37. i think barbara boxer's argument is interesting for a non-law student. but she came out and said, what is going on? why don't more people complain about men getting viagra? there's an obvious difference.

number one, i hear, i don't know, but viagra i don't think is covered by most plans. >> certainly not mine. >> one is focusing on performance, the other is conception. number two is it comes down to the vote. who is sold? i think it's fascinating to say justice kennedy is leaning for the companies, the supreme court watchers. no one will ever predict what roberts is going to do after the last time, but alito was clear and sotomayor was clear and hagen, so it's going to come down to justice briar, what roberts is going to do. we have to wait until june, right? >> the exemptions, how many were profiting corporations? none. you're lumping a profit-making corporation in with religious groups. >> no, he's saying there are waivers, unions getting waivers, delays. there's states, whole states asking for delays. why shouldn't a company as opposed to a nonprofit, why shouldn't they be afforded the same. >> this is about a law that was

passed that was able to protect your religious rights. and no law could infringe upon that. it's infringing upon the owners of the company, and they're saying therefore, all 16,000 of us are infringed upon. >> the justices may have to look at the long run in terms of what slippery slope it could provide in the future, however, hobby lobby does provide for the coverage of 16 different types of contraception. it is 4 out of the 20 that are available that they have an obje objection to, and it was agreed to that taxpayer dollars should not be spent to kill a baby, if that's what you believe. that's how they have dealt with that in the public sector. so now this is a question on the corporation side. >> dana is right, though. this is a narrowly tailored case. a perfect case to go before the supreme court, and i think that's why it was taken up. they're not being unreasonable, discriminatory.

they're being very specific as to those that would terminate a conception. >> there's a very big difference between contraceptives that prevent pregnancy and those that terminate pregnancy afterwards. >> that's what we're saying. >> that's the only thing they're arguing. >> i don't happen to agree with that, but if there's a woman in the 16,000 who wants to have an abortion and doesn't want to wait until the end and is not going to get paid for it, why not get it done? >> if they're required -- let's take this logic. if hobby lobby is required to provide health insurance that a woman could get an iud or a morning after pill after conception -- >> not the morning after pill, but that's all right. >> plan b, call it what you want to call, and terminate a pregnancy, aren't they in fact -- isn't obamacare in fact paying for abortions in america? >> if you're saying by discriminating against a certain class of drugs in the

contraceptive world -- >> no, they take this pill after they have conceived. >> you and i may believe that life begins at inception. in many people's cases, they don't believe that. now, if you believe the pills, there's a series of them, they take five or six pills to terminate a pregnancy when they have determined they're pregnant, and the morning after pill, by the way, means you can't get pregnant. that's the difference. >> whoa, whoa, wrong. >> oh, my gosh. >> let's stay on the big picture right here. they take the contraceptives after the pregnancy has occurred. if hobby lobby is paying for this pill, they're paying for an abortion, aren't they? they're literally saying obamacare has to pay for abortions. >> you just extended the definition of abortion. >> interestingly, the surgeon general was asked a similar

question and really wasn't prepared to answer it. i'm not sure why because that's how i have always understood that's what this comes down to, but i'm going to get to the 30,000 level. and that's the question and role of government in the corporations existence. and now, a corporation can be held to account for liability, we just saw that last week with toyota. you might see it with additional companies. but companies can be held to account for actions, and so therefore, cannot a company appeal to the government to say that the government is overreaching? it's a bigger, broader question of the government, which is why i think so many people are interested in it. >> if question scientists owned a corporation, christian scientists who do not believe in a lot of medical care, in fact, in some cases they don't believe in using drugs at all, if they owned these companies, they could say on religious grounds, none of the vaccinations -- >> if they brought a claim under the religious freedom

restoration act and were allowed standing by the court, yes, you could get to that point. >>monitor, what about that? >> what about it? >> a newspaper they own. >> i don't know what the ruling is. they're probably waiting to see how hobby lobby is ruled on. >> family people, i have very strong convictions. i don't deny that, but they are essentially saying our views are gauche to be imposed on these 16,000 employees. >> they're actually saying the government's views are imposed on an individual. and that is where the rub is. >> the thing is, too, for those 16,000, if they don't like what the company offers or does, we see people move because of benefits on a regular basis. they could say hobby lobby is not for me. i don't like the benefits, i don't agree with what they're saying, but 16,000 for the most part are happy to be there. >> also a good reason, bob, you would argue a single-payer program where the government takes care of everyone's insurance would be good. you could argue the other way,

let's do away with it, let people buy it on the open market and everyone could have a decision. >> let's take it around, predictions on how we think the court is going to rule? >> i think brian outlined it. it comes down to roberts. we know how he decided to obamacare. i'm worried he's going to rule in favor of the obamacare mandate for hobby lobby and they lose. >> reading justice roberts' line of questioning yesterday, i don't think so. i think this will lose, that the government will lose. >> hobby lobby prevails? brian, do you agree? >> i think the way everyone is ruling, the so-called supreme court experts who observe, who don't seem to have a horse in the race, seem to think they're going to be back, the company is going to be back. >> it's going to be a 5-4 decision no matter how you look at it, the question is roberts is the key, and robert, i think, is trying to make himself whole on what he did about taxes. i think he's going to go the other way so he doesn't get beat

up. >> i don't think he cares about those things. he's like an umpire, he calls balls and strikes. that's why we have supreme court justices for life. they aren't subject to the whims of politics and people's opinions. >> you say the supreme court is not affected? >> i don't think they are. >> what this does prove, what he did when he ruled obamacare, that law a tax, he opened up so many cans of worms. these fights are just beginning to start. he's going to load up his own court because of the one ruling he made, and in a lot of opinions on the right, it was an improper ruling, first time. >> let's see what happens. brian you said, i agree. we'll see. >> where did they come up with that name? hobby lobby? >> you know what the place is. >> it's a hobby place, right? >> yeah. that's all you need. >> bob figures it out. all right. ahead, there has been a ruling today that could change college sports forever. we've got the verdict to make sure to stay tuned for that.

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all right, you know that march 31st deadline to enroll in obamacare, the one the white house kept saying was not going to get pushed? >> will you or will you not delay the individual enrollment deadline on any other aspect of obamacare? >> the enrollment deadline will not be delayed. >> any kind of grace period at all if people are having trouble with the website on the last day? >> march 31st is the deadline for enrollment. you heard us make that clear. >> can you rule out the idea that the president doesn't delay the individual mandate? >> yes, i can. >> you can? that will not happen? >> that will not happen. >> that was last week. the administration just extended the time for americans to enroll until the middle of april. this is the 36th delay or alteration to the law, and here

is speaker boehner on the announcement? >> what is this, a joke? dates are the dates and the law is the law. the president doesn't have the ability to change the law whenever he wants. i have to live by the law, you have to live by the law. the american people have to live by the law, and guess what, the president needs to live by the law as well. >> i love an unscripted john boehner. eric bolling, do the companies that are having to administer this and get it going, would they want the extension? >> let's -- can we take a step back? first, the delays, then waivers, then the employer mandate delays and then 37 other delays. then they couldn't figure out if they had 5, 6, or 7 million enrollees to make it work. at some point, at some point democrats have to say this is so bad for us, we just need to scrap this thing. we need to run far, far away from it because the hits keep coming. you can press a button and say, guess what, i need two more weeks before i decide? >> and it's the honor system to

see if your excuse is valid. my excuse is i tried to logon, i clicked the blue box, it didn't work for me. i have three weeks or the middle of april to decide if i want a delay. you click on the blue box and say i'm exhausted, my card expired, there was an avalanche, a tornado, i couldn't finish the job, i have a.d.d., i couldn't finish signing up, so i have two more weeks to pretend to sign up. at which time, we'll -- >> i do have a.d.d., and it's ridiculous. anytime they make a change here, it's to try to get more people to sign up. that's the right thing, the idea here. >> do they have no shame? >> why should you have shame trying to get people to sign up. >> they promise it's not going to be delayed. they testified under oath it wouldn't be delayed. do you realize the democrats have lost all trust with the american people based on their willingness to lie about it bec american people want affordable

obamacare fixed. fixed. >> that's not what they're getting. >> if somebody says, you say the honor system. say they're lying about it, if they get a chance to get insured, why not? who cares? >> on my honor, i was very busy. honor system, i am in the cub scouts, i can't lie. >> they can't take responsibility. today, harry reid in the press conference, a doozy, like the worse i have seen. he basically said the american public is not smart enough, that they're too stupid to use the internet, yet they can buy everything online. they just can't buy obamacare. >> so insulting. >> in the end, they elected me, they have to be stupid? >> they don't seem to care. whatever it takes to get the numbers. we don't care if it works, we don't care if people lose their insurances, if they pay more money. we just need to get bodies in. >> those of you, you care that

they don't have the numbers. that's the difference here. >> i want it to work right. >> why should you care? if somebody has a chance -- >> that's wrong. >> you are into this because you can't stand this bill. >> no, right. it's terrible. it's going to cost american families more. >> we heard the stories. >> you are being sucked in by the rest of the democrats. >> the liberal vortex. >> they're buying time to get through 2014. that's all they're doing. between 2014 and 2016, you're going to find out exactly what it's doing. it's not bending the cost curve down. it's bending it up. it's going to cost the american public trillions upon trillions. you guys are so screwed. >> hearing this from the republican party who figures a way to lose. if you're right, we lose the senate, the white house, you still don't have the votes to change the bill. >> yeah, we do. >> you could change it, but i think that why people are so upset, the administration is making such a hack of this

policy. >> you said something that is very important. people need to understand, if we retain the house as republicans, win the senate and the white house. >> that's -- wait, that was a simple majority for people who were -- >> we have to go. i want to get to the battleground poll. much more ahead on "the five," but wfr we do, shep smith has breaking news on the washington mudslide. >> first, the mudslide, the governor of washington has spoken in the last 15 or twnt minutes and say we can expect the death toll to rise significantly. 176 people still missing. they have not recovered anyone from that mound of mud alive for four days. then there's boston, a big fire right behind fenway park. we now know some 10, believed to be firefighters, all transported to hospitals. a very serious fire in boston's back bay, and in boston in the last 20 minutes, a twit pic, a

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welcome back, everybody, to much anticipated fastest seven. three alluring stories, seven accelerated minutes. one assiduous host. sound the alarm, the 2014 election season has begun, and political ads are a game changer. good ones win elections, bad ones fail candidates. here's one from the gop hopeful from the hawkeye state. >> i grew up castrating hogs on an iowa farm, so when i get to washington, i'll know how to cut pork. >> joanie earnest, mother, soldier, conservative. >> my parents taught us to live

one our means. it's time to force washington to do the same. cut wasteful spending, repeal obamacare, and balance the budget. i approve this message because washington is full of big spenders. let's make them squeal. >> there you go. dana -- >> ew, bob. >> i thought she was going to say that washington is full of you know what, but i love the ad. i had not heard of her before. i think it's admirable that people want to run for office, anyway, but when they can get out there and shine, and i thought she was fantastic. i hope she gets to congress. >> she's among six candidates running for the nomination of a party, the republicans. i'm wondering because i'm not a farmer, why would you castrate a hog if you wanted more hogs. if you didn't have to run to town for more hogs -- >> they're going to go to slaughter. >> don't you want it to have more hogs before you slaughter

him? >> you can't have -- >> not all hogs will be having you know what with other pigs. >> i have to bring this around. let's bring it around. bob, sarah palin within a few hours of this ad going live, sent a message saying send this midwest mama grizzly roaring to washington on her harley. >> by the way, i castrated a moose in alaska? i think it's a good ad. i give her credit. it's an attention-grabbing ad. it will separate her out from the rest of the pack. if you could do that to hogs, you could probably -- >> work in congress. >> i like her spunk. i like her vest, i'm feeling it. i think that's what we need more of, honestly. >> quickly, a soldier, national guard conservative. on friday, the movie noah will be released and likely crush it at the box office. it has come under intense scrutiny from religious groups

who say the film has little or no ties to the bible. russell crowe got fired up defending noah. watch. >> we have had probably over a year now of very harsh criticism from a bunch of people who have put their name and stamp on an opinion just based on the move a, just an assumption of how it could be, or how bad it could be or how wrong it could be in their eyes, which, quite frankly, i think is bordering on absolute stupidity. >> your thoughts, bob? >> first of all, if you're going to name a movie "noah" and it's clear in the bible what that story is about, and you change the story, you're going to get criticized. you can call people stupid for saying that, my boy, but the fact of the matter is you took something in the bible, a very serious story, and you changed it. so that's what you're going to get. >> i'm going to take the other side, kg. it's entertainment for me. i go to church every single day at st. patrick's, as christian as they come, but i want to see

it for the entertainment value. >> why not, but go see it for whatever reason. maybe you enjoy it, maybe it makes you think about reading the bible or reading more about the story or anything like that. why does it have to have a specific purpose in order to be validated? >> brian, your thoughts? >> i have to see it. i will say this, mark brunette. >> i cannot wait to interrupt. i'm going to give you my review. i want to say if you want a formula for success, he showed it to you, stick to the script. and you could set records. mel gibson showed you how to do it. stick to the script and get the box office. russell crowe is awesome. he wouldn't drop the ball for you. >> dana, break the tie. bl i don't think i'm going to go see it because my memories of the story of noah are very different. i had a children's bible when i was a kid and it had all these illustrations in it.

noah's story ozhappy, the two n animals walking side by side, and everybody lives happily ever after. >> don't give away the ending. everybody talks about celebrity break-ups, look at the covers of the magazines the next time you're in the check-outline at the supermarket. the bigger the celebrity, the bigger the break-up, take a split between a beautiful oscar winner and a frontman for a band. gwyneth paltrow and chris martin are splitsville. they're calling themselves conscious uncoupling right now. >> why didn't i think of that term? i could have used it a couple times. >> five times? >> really, bob, twice. i feel bad for them because they have kids. i don't like to see anybody split up that has children, but if it has to be done, it can be done in the right way. i wish them the best of luck. co-parenting together in their unconscious -- >> i'm going to stay up all

night long after this. i don't care, i don't know who this guy is. >> i think kimberly is being generous. i will say, a lot of these couples make a ton of money based on their publicity, their marriage, like kanye and kim on the cover of vogue, and then two years later, there will be a divorce. >> apple, their daughter is 9 years old, and moses is 7 years old. >> i feel bad for the kids and i also feel bad for the hit song he wrote for her. the name eludes me. >> the one, i'll fix you. the one where he whines? >> every time he sings, he wh e whines a lot, but he's very good, but every time he sings, he's going to think about the relationship. i remember billy joel sings a song, i like you just the way you are, and he gets divorced, and he said the better words are now, i want the house, the keys, the car. >> who, coldplay?

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this is six, am i correct? thank you. a landmark ruling just came down that could potentially revolutionize the state of college athletics. i'm not kidding. peter orr has just cleared the way for northwestern football players to form the nation's first college athletes union. northwestern released a statement in response to the ruling saying they respect the process. they disagree with the regional director's decision, and what does this mean? before we talk about are we en route to paying the players? legally, is this a done deal? >> they have a couple of pit stops before they can get this

final. you have at least two more levels. appeals, because this is a huge decision. when you think about the impact, the dollars behind this, it could be far reaching, and other players will have claims from years past. >> eric, now we're at the point where we look at football and basketball, see the tournament is going to start taking place on friday. we have been watching the tournament, the billion dollar tv contracts and more. is it time to pay the people that are putting on the show? >> no, no. the players are being paid. they're getting an education. they're setting themselves up for life. look, this is what it comes down to. the nlrb looking for any reason to toss out the collective bargaining chips to whoever. college athletes, you have to bow kidding me. take this one step further. a football team in the middle of summer doing doubles when it's hot. a player goes, this is against my labor board relations. here it is here, i have this document that said i can't run in 100-degree heat.

>> i'm more worried about, are you going to have auburn against alabama and have it matter if they're not forced to go to school, if they're not students. >> let's try to put it in perspective. we're talking about only those who get full ride scholarships. only football, and it was college athletes players association. on behalf of this football team, of which 115 players, of which only 31 are considered under this determination. so what's the big deal? >> who tried to unionize them? who is behind this? >> i don't know. >> united steel workers. >> good for them. >> you have an excellent point in terms of how you see it from the outside might be right on the money. >> i think there's a distinction between college football and professional football for a reason. and if that reason no longer exists, if you're going to play the players, why don't they have like they have in baseball, a minor league? if they don't want to go to school and get the benefit of

room and board and education and tuition and all that, they could try to make it in the minor league. if they're good enough, they'll go to the pros. >> no one is going to go. no one goes to aaa games in proportion to baseball. no one would go to a minor league game. i agree, the billion dollar contracts going to the coaches and universities are wrong, but if you look at the ramifications of paying players and it might be good for you, good by tennis, good by gymnastics, by soccer, all the minor sports, because the football and basketball, a lot of times pay for everything. >> that's right. these players that subsidize all of the other sports and some of the academics. i don't understand. there's a lawsuit that the players won against video game players, recently won. they said you use my name and image and you have to pay. >> and they pulled it and they're not using it anymore. but the damage has been done. >> universities are playing off the names of big time players to make money. >> president obama things there should be a minimum wage for the

hockey team? >> as long as they sign up for obamacare. >> all i can tell you, without burdening you with the legal aspects of it, it's the beginning of paying players. now, how do you do it? >> okay, but let's pay players. about time. >> all right, and bob is being quick because he knows he's hosting the next segment. >> next up on our show, new leads by air and sea in the search for the malaysian flight 370. stay tuned for an update you have not heard anywhere else. (dad) well, we've been thinking about it and we're just not sure.

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satellite images have revealed more than 100 objects in theind yeocean that could be the missing debris from the malaysian jet. >> we were able to identify 122 potential objects. some objects were -- others were as much as 23 meters in length. some of the objects appeared to be bright. possibly indicating solid material. >> it sounds like a big lead, but australia's prime minister

is cautiously optimistic. >> we don't know whether any of these objects are from mh-370. they could be flotsam. neverthele nevertheless, we are hopeful we can recover these objects soon and they will take us a step closer to resolving this tragic mystery. >> well, he's being a little bit cautious here, but i think overly so. this is a part of the world that does not have shipping lanes. it's very deep, a very difficult place if you're looking for pieces. you have 122 showing up. you probably think this is about the best news they have seen so far. not for the passengers' family. >> bob, if this is the plane and it did break up, there's still so many questions that need to be answered. a good friend of the pilot comes out and said my friend should not have been flying emotionally or mentally because his wife says she's leaving him, his girlfriend said she's leaving

him. >> that happened to me once, too. >> you didn't kill 239 people because you had a bad day. normal suicide, put it in the water. why did he shut off everything and fly for seven hours. >> it doesn't make sense. why would you do that the. >> my guess is it will be, forever, we'll hear different conspiracies about this and there will probably never be all the answers. >> unless they can do a search where they find the black box and try to piece together like they did after the egypt flight. >> does anyone know how deep the ocean is there? >> two miles. a couple points, 122 objects. people are saying today, that could be fish. they don't know how many are actually, you know, big pieces of debris or if there's any debris, in fact. so many questions. it's -- again, you have to get back and say a prayer for the poor families who keep going -- they're up and down. >> emotional roller coaster, yes. >> really tough. >> the families, in many ways,

they don't want to have debris found because they're holding on to the little hope that maybe the plane landed somewhere. >> maybe it landed, maybe there are still survivors and it could be their family member. wouldn't you want to hold out hope. you get a horrible cancer diagnose, you want to hear anything, even 10%, not no chance. that's what they're holding on to, but the upheaval is so difficult to hold on to. that's why we have to be so careful what we report. >> this is why i think we're going to get answers. australia, the u.s., china, france, the best of the best, using the best equipment we could have to get it done. number two, we're using china, pressuring the malaysian government to be more candid and less callous, and maybe taking it over. these are mostly chinese citizens. where is their aggression. if this was us, we would say, get out of here. you're not making any more announcements. >> china? they're very callous themselves. >> they have to go in and make

the malaysians be more transparent about this. two and a half weeks, no answers. >> you never know what's going on behind the scenes with china and how they're trying to pressure the malaysians. i'm sure the malaysians will be, you know, the unwelcome step-brother that's at any of the asian meetings in the future, but also, i think if the chinese want to continue to have business relations with malaysia, they will have to figure out a constructive role to help them so they can get better at what they're doing, or stop doing business with them all together. >> this is the same country that builds a dam and washes out homes for a million people. i'm not so sure the chinese are all that sympathetic. they would rather have it go away. >> i think they want answers. >> one other piece and you may not get it for years and years. one black box was found nine years after a plane crash, and you'll never know until you get the black boxes. there's $300 million at stake. between the plane's value and the response -- you get paid out

for loved ones perishing in a flight, but you have to find out who is responsible. >> "one more thing" is up next.

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it's time now for "one more thing." dana perino. >> earlier today, i was watching shepherd's show, and i was riveted by an interview he had with nicole webb rivera. she believes she lost four family members in the washington state mudslide. she was so incredibly poised, and it was very moving. take a look. >> i would like them to know that my dad was a vietnam vet. he was the most brilliant man i have ever known. my mother was beautiful, talented artist with the most amazing sense of humor. she was the funniest person i have ever met. my beautiful daughter had the sweetest heart, and she was -- she was my baby. i really am going to miss her. and her feanssi allen is like a picture postcard of the perfect man. >> the most compelling interviews i have soon in a long time. she's a quilter and she said in the quilting community, they

started a thing called go fund me.org to help her raise money to help bury her loved ones, she's raised enough so she can help others pay for the burials of theirs as well. great interview. >> very moving and thank you for bringing that up. bob? >> i had to fight eric because he wanted to do it, too, and i won out. on behalf of a "the five," happy birthday, nancy pelosi. you turn 74 today, and you have been a great former speaker, a great member of congress, and all of us on "the five," eric included, wish you a very happy birthday. >> no cake? >> no, i would worry what happened. >> i would eat the cake. okay, so i'm up next. and my puerto rican sister from another mother, j. lo, this is like secrets of the green room. dana and i are hanging out, and she said, did you hear that j.

lo song? it's so stupid? i love you, papi, and i'm like, what? then i'm like, what are you talking about? it's papi. take a listen. ♪ >> she wasn't singing about jasper. >> thought it was a pet song. >> kimberly said i'm the whitest white girl she ever met. i'm not sure it's a compliment. >> very precious. >> your turn. >> you want to know why we're kind of screwed in america? american university in washington, d.c., dana tells me, is a very good university well known for its political science group. look what happened when they were asked about their senators and keep watching. >> can you name one person currently serving in the united states senate? >> god, this is bad.

>> take a guess? >> take a guess. >> i don't know. >> can you name one person currently serving in the united states senate? >> no. >> what is the hit song from the movie "frozen"? >> let it go. >> what is the name of the hit song from the movie frozen? >> let it go. >> what does it tell you? >> unbelievable. >> big trouble. >> as long as they sign up for obamacare, it's fine. everything is awesome. >> upsetting, but here is something to make you feel good. talk about hairrism. this is like a movie. let's go out to houston, texas, where we see karen jones taping this scene. a man on a ledge, trying to get a fire out. a worker there, on top of the roof. when the fire got out of control, he didn't know what to do. he tried to get to the lower patio, realizing there's little time. it's right under the top patio. he's got to swing to the lower patio. he's not out of trouble. the fire department put the

ladder as close as possible, but he still had to leap onto the ladder. he's still not out of the woods. you'll see the top of the building fall apart. it's unbelievable, everybody is okay, but the building is in ashes. >> that's it. >> great play by play. >> after promises to the contrary, another major delay for obamacare. this is "special report." good evening. i'm chris wallace in for bret baier. president obama is in rome at this hour after a busy day of diplomacy in belgium. we'll get to that in a few minutes. here at home, administration officials have announced still another delay. an extension for people unable to complete their obamacare enrollment by next monday's deadline. chief white house correspondent ed henry reports tonight from brussels. >> despite repeated