throughout the evening. our friend sean hannity is coming up. i said sean hannity. megyn kelly will be next. fort men and women behind me in the fox newsdesk. thank you for trusting us with your information. ft. hood on lockdown. a suspected shooter is reported dead. we're expecting the first news conference from ft. hood to be any minute. fox news confirmed four people are dead, including the shooter. 14 people are wounded. authorities are identifying the shooter. if you are interested, you can get his name on other shows like the one that preceded this one and online, but we have decided not to name these mass killers here on the kelly file. we are giving you a sense of how this unfolded. [ sirens ]

frantic calls went out over the police radios. >> a vehicle description. we didn't know anything further than that. is there a more specific area that we can be looking for the suspect at this time? >> we're all gathering here for assignments. we just got brefd and currently i don't have any additional information. the bolo on the vehicle the involved the vehicle they just located here. so we do not have any other vehicle information. >> again, fox news confirming a total of four people including the shooter are dead. 14 people wounded. take a listen to this. and we'll show it to you. it's video taken by a witness on the base. can you hear announcements booming out over the loudspeakers, urging everyone to get inside. [ child crying ]

>> seek shelter immediately. >> ft. hood is one of the largest military installations in the world. it covers 340 square miles. there are approximately 45,000 soldiers posted there. and the army post serves family members and retirees. the army base was also the scene of a mass shooting back in 2009. 13 people were killed and more than 30 were hurt in what was the deadliest attack on a domestic military installation in american history. and a short time ago, president obama speaking to reporters in chicago where he is traveling. >> we're heartbroken that something like this might have happened again. and i don't want to comment on the facts until i know exactly what has happened, but for now, i would just hope that everybody across the country is keeping the families and the community of ft. hood in our thoughts and in our prayers.

>> the president in chicago for a fund-raiser. he is at a fund-raiser now. fox news' correspondent jen everyone griffin has the very latest. >> we just heard from officials from scott & white member olial hospital. they say they have four patients that were brought to them in everything from critical to stable condition. two more are being brought by air. they were brought by ambulance and helicopter from ft. hood. they are expecting more casualties as the night progresses. we spoke to sources on the base, on ft. hood earlier tonight and we were told that what seemed to have happened is the shooting started, about 20 shots were fired outside the first medical brigade. that's a medical unit there on the base, and that the shooter himself was cornered at one point in the motor pool area. we have from an internal justice department memo that suggests that the shooter took his own

life in the end, but we also have from senior law enforcement sources that at least four people died, including the shooter, and that there may be up to 14 people who were wounded in this shooting attack, megyn. >> now with us, michael mccaul, chairman of the homeland security committee and has been briefed on this matter. i know you've spoken with the joint terror task force. what is the latest, and, again, for our viewers, we are attempting to avoid saying this shooter's name, but he has been identified as far as you know, and what do you now about him? >> well, i won't say the name out of respect for your show. although it has been identified. my, the information i have is preliminary, but 14 victims here that were wounded, six in very critical condition. and then four deceased, including the shooter himself. there's been some reporting of

another shooter, possibly tied to this, although, i think that's becoming more doubtful as the information comes in. but, you know, i think once again, this is a second tragic shooting now at ft. hood, which is in my home state of texas. very, very sad. and there was another plot that the fbi and the terrorism task force stopped from happening that was going to blow up a chinese restaurant with soldiers in it. so these targeted attacks against ft. hood, but also bases like arkansas and seattle from jihadists greatly concern me as the chairman of homeland security. >> as the, as the experts are looking into this man's background and trying to find motive, what have we learned? some are reporting that this was quote soldier on soldier violence. i doesn't knn't know what that . do you know what that means and how they're describing this as? >> one soldier on one soldier, i

don't understand the body count and the innocent casualties doesn't make sense to me. sometimes there's suicide by cop where they go in and want to be killed. but we don't know, really, the motivation at this point in time, which is critical. now the joint terrorism task force issued a preliminary statement saying at this point in time they don't have any nexus to terrorism, but i would say it's very preliminary in this investigation. it's just started, and i would never rule out that possibility, particularly given the track record and the unfortunate history, not only at ft. hood, but at other military bases. >> have there been any warning or chatter, to your knowledge, with respect to ft. hood and possible violence there? >> no, my understanding is no. i think had there been, this could have been prevented. i know in the nidal hasan case there was and there was an intelligence failure in that case that could have prevented that from happening and it

didn't happen. i don't know about this particular incident in terms of advanced intelligence. i think if we had it we could have stopped it. >> the shooter is confirmed d . dead. i assume that our officials now are talking to his familiarly, to his friends. have any of those folks been identified and is that investigation underway? >> yes, it has. i used to lead up one of those. they're in full force right now doing an in depth investigation, interviewing the family members and any potential witnesses. obviously the victims that have survived are the best witnesses, the eyewitnesses, to the crime scene. and they are being interviewed as well. and, you know, again, i, my thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families. we wish them, they recover from this horrible tragedy that once

again has hit ft. hood. it's really incredible to see this nightmare reoccur once again. >> in the earlier ft. hood massacre, there, this happened at a medical unit. and once again, tonight, we find out that it was at the first medical brigade, which is a medical unit. is there any significance to that? >> none that i can see at this point in time, although, i agree with you. it's very coincidental at the same facility. >> is there anything going on with the shooter though? as far as you know, was there something in this person's history? is there a reason? was he undergoing treatment? is it too preliminary to answer that. >> i wish i had more breaking news to answer that. it is way to preliminary. this is a very fluid situation where the investigation has just started. we do know the identity of the

individual, and the eyewitnesses are being interviewed and the family members. i believe in fairly short order we will have more information for these questions that everybody has. >> in the wake of the ft. hood shooting a couple years ago, a bill was introduced in congress to allow members of the military who had concealed carry permits to carry on base. that apparently didn't go anywhere. >> you know, and i talked to the member who introduced that bill. i personally think, if you're training for combat, you ought to be able to carry a weapon. i think now that we -- you know, this is the deal, megyn. al qaeda and jihadists are targeting our military bases. that is a fact. and if they are trained in warfare, they ca carry weapons in warfare, it seems to me that there is some logic to allowing them to carry weapons on a military base where they can defend themselves. the problem here, and with ft.

hood, the prior nidal hasan case was that they couldn't defend themselves because they weren't allowed to carry weapons. so i think the policymakers, congress, we need to revisit this procedure, this policy, to see if we should arm them so they can better protect themselves. >> thank you for being with us tonight. all the best to you. >> thank you. >> we are awaiting a news conference. that is why we are showing the front of ft. hood. it will begin any minute, joining us in the meantime is hillary shine who serves as the public information officer for the nearby city of killeen, texas. it was not long ago that your city went through this. >> caller: we sit here in an all-too-familiar situation. this is unfortunately something we've been through b and while we were anticipating the

anniversary of the november 5th shooting in 2009, here we are again. so our community is obviously reeling. we are full of questions, full of wonder, full of fear. and we are awaiting ft. hood to tell us more. >> the last time this happened, and i mean, what a thing to have to say. the last time this happened at ft. hood, the good people of texas pulled together in a way that was just jaw dropping. in a way, these people who hope to divide and cause harm and injury and pain wind up doing that, but they also bring a community together. and that happened last time, and it's likely to happen again. >> caller: absolutely. you know, the military is family. it's family oriented. and these men and women who go to combat together come home with a bond that's different than anything civilians could ever know. and our community tries to honor

those values and tries to really wrap their arms around soldiers, whether they're family's in need. whether they come home and they are in need, for medical care or psychiatric care. you know, whether their children need special accommodations in our schools. our community really is focused on supporting the military that we value so much. >> what -- i'm sorry. go ahead. finish your point. >> caller: i was going to say, in times like this, to see that character really come out in the community, and you will see an outpouring of support and care for the victim in the entire community. >> and what is the city of killeen doing tonight? >> caller: tonight we've opened a shelter. if people can't get off the base we assume they can't get on the base. and we're separated by nothing more than a fence. and so our communities are very engaged. we are in each other's bounds constantly. so we assume that there are any number of spouses or military people who were off the base

right now who can't get on. >> there were some people trying to get offer the base as the warning came over, the big voice as they call it, and couldn't get off because the base goes into lockdown. you can't get on and you can't get off. and people were trying to get off, afraid for their lives, and they were unable to. you raise a good point. those who are off the base now have nowhere to go. how present in the mind of those folks in that area is the last ft. hood incident? it wasn't that long ago. and it was such a massive, massive unleashing of violence. that shooter has now been convicted to death. >> caller: absolutely. we've had all of those wounds reopened where all of the stories and chaos had to be played out yet again in order for him to be sentenced. so it's something that was definitely raw yet again, five

years later. and trying to turn it into a positive, trying to look towards the future, trying to build a memorial for the people who died november 5, 2009, these are things that our community is working toward trying to make something positive out of something that was so terribly negative. >> hillary, thank you. >> caller: you're welcome. >> and joining us now by skype. staff sergeant sean manning who survived the first ft. hood shooting after being shot half a dozen times. thank you for being here. all the best to you. we've been following your story since 2009. your reaction to what we've seen today. >> caller: at first i was in shock. i mean, it was obviously a blast from what happened five years ago. i think all of us that were wounded that day, i mean, it brings back images of the shooting back in 2009. you know, i, my heart goes out to those soldiers and their families that were shot mean, i

know what kind of struggle they're going to have ahead, both them and their families. >> can you give us a feel for, you know, the situation on ft. hood, you know, it's huge. it's like a small city. and so same as a small city, there are going to be some incidents of violence. now this is much more than an incident of violence, and we all know what happened on november 5 in '09, in your case. but, you know, give us a feel for how this would have unfolded. we're told it happened at the first medical brigade, a medical unit. are you familiar with that? >> i'm not, and i was actually only at ft. hood for a day and a half before i got shot back in 2009. >> wow. >> so i didn't spend a lot of time on post, you know, i've been back to post to testify in the trial, but. >> do you have any recollection of the moments that the shooter began firing in your case? >> yeah.

i mean, it's almost surreal, i mean, you know, initially when we got shot we thought that it was a drill or that, you know, this was, you know, some sort of exercise. you don't think that somebody wearing a uniform is going to open fire and try to kill you, you know. you trust that other soldier. you trust those people around you, and it's something would you never expect to happen. >> so there's a moment of disbelief. and then there has to be obviously a moment of panic, especially given that as we discussed in our earlier segment, you are not allowed to carry firearms. most, most are not allowed to carry firearms on these bases, so there you are unarmed, unable to defend yourself. >> yeah, unarmed. you don't have a lot of options. you're in a building. you're confined. there's only certain exits and entryways, so i mean, you're, it's a feeling of hopelessness, at least in my case, when that happened. you know, after i'd gotten shot,

and i actually had to play dead for a while to prevent hassan from essentially coming up and finishing me off. >> is there, you know, the military has resolved in the wake of the first ft. hood and in the wake of what we saw not long ago in washington that they were going to tighten securi en on these bases and protect our men and women in uniform. obviously more needs to be done on that. do you have any thoughts on that? >> obviously soldiers should be able to defend themselves. you can conceal carry outside of the gates but as soon as you enter the gates you can't have a weapon, and, you know, i think in certain instances we should have our own weapons. we're trained soldiers, that's what we do. and overseaing we carry a weapon every day, and this rarely occurs. so i think we have that right to defend ourselves, and that's one of the answers.

>> none of these situations are good, but you train as a member of the united states military to fight overseas to fight the enemy, not to have to expect to defend your life on a military base. now how are you? four and a half years later shot six times, how are you? >> i struggle every day. the shooting is something i think about every day no matter how i try to put it behind my. obviously i'm doing better than i was the first few years. but it's something i'm reminded of every day, because, you know, you get out of bed, and you can still, you're in a lot of pain, and it's hard to move around, and it reminds you of what happened and how your life's changed after something like this. >> sure. thank you so much for your service. good to see you. sorry it's under these conditions, but we appreciate you weighing in tonight.

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extremities, abdomen, chest and neck. these patients are receiving treatment right now, and we are expecting two more to be arriving shortly. >> hmm, that was the news conference at the hospital just a short time ago. we are going to speak with the chief of surgery of that hospital very shortly. and we are awaiting the first news conference at ft. hood that has killed four people, one of them, the shooter. this congressman represents the district including ft. hood. thank you for being here. and so what can you tell us about the shooter in terms of occupation, how he went about the crime that he's accused of today? >> the knowledge i have about the shooter, i understand we're not going to use his name, is that he was a truck driver. this is a medical facility where they train, if i remember, it's

where they treat people that have traumatic injuries like, and not brain injury type facility where they treat people with ptsd and things like that. i believe he worked there, was not a patient there, that's the way i understand it. but he was in full, full uniform, the daily uniform of the day. so he was dressed, he was a soldier, dressed as a soldier. >> that is unbelievable. i mean, when you think of the men and women who are in that unit compromised physically or psychologically already, and having to undergo something like this, it really brings it home. have we heard anything? have you been briefed at all on possible motive? >> no, i haven't been briefed on a motive. i have a man on the ground at ft. hood just like i did at the last shooting. we're blessed to have a staff member that is a former chaplain at ft. hood. and i got the numbers from him,

the four dead, 14 wounded numbers that you've been reporting. but i haven't heard any motive, and i imagine we won't hear that until tomorrow. this is very similar in a lot of the confusion that the knee dni hasan shooting. that was my home area too. and these are such great people, great americans. it's an absolute tragedy. >> the reports so far is that they're not able to link this, no nexus to terrorism right now. right now, according to this administration, the first attack on ft. hood had no nexus to terrorism. according to them it was workplace violence. what's your thoughts on that on whether we should say this is or is not terrorism? >> i'm an old trial judge who

believes on hearing all the evidence before you make a decision. you about i think on the first one it was clearly a terrorist act and not workforce violence. the trial played out, it seems to kind of reenforce that. >> did you get any information congressman on what happened, how the shooter was taken down, exactly how this event went down? >> i was told that the sheert was down. then the next report i got was that the shooter had died of a self-inflicted wounds. >> so it's your understanding that he was there. he was there on duty? he was there working? >> he was there for some purpose. i don't anybody knows quite yet. >> okay. so then he started shooting. and the last person he shot was himself? >> that's, and i understand that he was being pursued and it was reported to me it was a self-inflicted wound. >> okay. because there were reports of

being on the look out for a certain kind of car and that maybe there were two shooters. your information was that there was one, that he did flee and he shot himself in the course of trying to evade. >> the initial report was that there could have been two, a toyota pickup reported at one point in time, but it seems that's all been resolved, and they don't think there's a second shooter. but i assure you, the army will be combing that post to make sure there's not one. >> generally, do we know whether this person was married, whether he had children? whether he had any family on base? >> i do not know whether he was married, had children, although there is a photograph of the shooter that he has a wedding ring on. so maybe he was married. >> and as far as you know, any reports of problems with him prior to today? >> none that i know of, but i'm sure we'll find all that out as both the eyewitnesses and the background witnesses are questioned. >> any information on the gender of the victims?

>> the gender of the victims? no, ma'am. i don't have any, all i know is that it's been reported to me that most, if not all, were in uniform. >> and the shooter himself was in uniform as well? >> correct, and, you know, this is a psychological tragedy that affects military around the world when you're shot by someone in your own uniform. >> absolutely. representative carter, all the best to you and those in your district struggling to recover from this latest event. >> well, pray for ft. hood. >> absolutely. thank you, sir. well, can you imagine? i mean, you're in the medical unit, and one of their own in uniform turns on them. dr. the harry constantineo is from the hospital. the information was four of the patients were there, two were in

route. >> caller: yeah, we have six patients. they range from stable to critical. >> how many are critical? >> caller: at this point, we're not releasing that information. >> p >> and for those of us who are not doctors, critical means what? >> caller: critical means that they have severe injuries that could be life threatening. >> reheard earlier of gunshot wounds to the chest, abdomen, and i believe head, is that the case? >> caller: chest, abdomen, extremities and neck. >> neck. can you offer any information on the age, the ages of the victims you have? >> caller: at this time i don't have exact ages of the patients. >> can you

i know you guys are a level one. should we be assuming anything from the fact that you only have six and that means there should be eight other wounded. >> caller: i don't have any other information other than what we have here at the hospital. >> is there another major trauma center nearby? >> caller: we are the only level one trauma center between dallas and austin. >> and is there anything you guys need? i know at the first ft. hood massacre people were giving blood, they were doing all sorts of things to try to hip. >> caller: at this time, we have a good supply of blood, but we are in continual contact with the blood bank, and we will reach out to the community and let them know if there's anything that we need and help assist in that manner as well. >> and one other question for you now. you confirmed these are gunshot wounds. can you tell us at all what kind of gunshot wounds in terms of what caliber weapons? that kind of thing? >> caller: i do not have any of that kind of information for you, i'm sorry. >> okay.

doctor, all the best to you and your team. good luck tonight. >> caller: thank you. >> wow, so we have learned that a man dressed in his military uniform who worked we believe in the military unit, the first medical brigade started shooting at around 4:50 central time today. that he killed three innocent people, wounded 14 others, he attempted to flee and ended up taking his own life. that is what we understand at this hour. no motive is known. officials said earlier there was no nexus to terrorism identified right now. but that's almost always what they say in the beginning. it has to be pretty solid for them to come right out and say this is terror, or pretty undeniable. and some would argue even when it's undeniable they continue to call it workplace violence instead of terrorism. we don't know what this case is. the nationality of the shooter, it sounds hispanic, latino, but

you can look up his name online if you care to know more. there were reports earlier that there could be a second shooter. we'av've heard that is not the case. they no belolonger believe it w the work of two but the work of one man who took his life. >> as we await that press conference they pretty much have knocked down that theory of a second shooter. and the first sheert fired some 20 shots, as you said, before 5 clchblgt they said this started out as soldier on soldier violence. our understanding of what this means is this was a one on one soldier episode and clearly escalated from there. what's unclear is whether it began inside the facility or outside. we do know that the shooter was

apparently cornered and at one point decided to take his own life. as you talked to the doctor earlier, there were 14 youriinj. six are at that level one trauma center. that leaves eight that we don't know where they are. they go from stable to critical condition. we say without naming the shooter, there is a reason he may have possibly been in that building because he apparently was part of something called the warrior transition program. and what that does is, these are members who help wounded warriors or ill warriors or injured soldiers transition back into civilian life or back into the military. these are soldiers who spend at least six months in rehabilitation, and he apparently worked in some compassion at this with those soldiers. after the 2009 shooting, a slough of new policies were put

in place and one of them was the military version of see something/say something, which is they try to identify any soldiers who had violent tendencies or radicalized tendencies. we have looked, and so far we have not seen any indication that the shooter in this case showed any of those red flags yet. >> it's still early. trace, thank you. new just in from the wife of a soldier moments ago. stand by. >> he told me to calm down. i was laying down on the couch. and as soon as i turned the tv on, my heart started pounded really, really hard. and he told me just to calm down and relax. i'm nine weeks pregnant. so he goes, like do not rush and be nervous about t i'll be fine. we know what we're doing here. so. >> did he hear or see anything? >> no. no.

>> joining us now with more. sergeant alonzo lunsford. he survived the first ft. hood shooting. very good for you to be with us tonight. we've talked before and you've been very open about the post-traumatic stress that have suffered in the wake of the is the massacre. i can only imagine what this does to you on a night like tonight. >> caller: hello? >> are you with me, sergeant? >> caller: yes, i am. >> how are you tonight? you talked about your post-traumatic stress from the first incident. how are you tonight? >> caller: my post-traumatic stress is off the chart right now. we were coming back from basketball practice. i had to pull over at the store. i got really emotional. when i first got the call i was going into practice, and i needed to go into practice to try to balance.

and my heart goes out to these families of everyone at ft. hood and all over all military bases. and it's like i'm reliving it all over again. and what's going through my mind right now is the how and the why. and then -- go ahead. >> they say that this shooter was dressed in his military fatigues, that he worked in this medical unit and that about the 10:05 i opened fire shooting some 20 shots. it's all too familiar. i know you were shot and others were shot at a medical deployment center at ft. hood. 13 were killed and another 32 including yourself were wounded. in these medical centers on these military bases we have people who need help. they got something very different. your thought on how vulnerable those on these bases were.

>> caller: i'm glad you asked me that question, because medical facilities on a military base are an assault target, because in comparison and contrast with medical facilities or headquarters, you have guards at headquarters that are armed, particularly in a medical facility like darnell, you don't have armed guards that are there. unless you are bringing a flight patient in with an armed escort. so teit's kind of lax in terms security measures because we are there to heal. and not only do we heal our own, but we also heal enemy combatants as well. so it's a psychological effect that it has on the fighting force when you attack a medical facility because they are really

defenseless. and when you choogsse a target that nature, not only do you have the shock and awe of that initial act but the shock and awe of being a medical facility treating shot and injured personnel. >> where do we go from here? you would think in the wake of ft. hood and in the wake of september on an assault on another military base. they said they were going to work on tightening security and revamping their policies and do a better job of protecting folks on these bases, that something like this would be less likely to happen, and yet, we can't stop it out in a free society any better than we canston sto on these bases. >> caller: the solution is an

easy one but not simple. stop talking about it. it sounds good, but they're not doing anything about t ait. and just to prove that fact, now that we're in the year 2014, a lot of times when you go on bases, now that the bases are being guarded by u.s. military personnel, because the war's winding down, their level of alertness isn't as high. and that's when you're most vulnerable. when the war started, we need to keep our state of readiness at an all-time high. because the enemy is very, very smart, and they focus on those individuals that are weak so that they can manipulate them to perform atrocities such as this. >> yeah. we don't know anything about this particular shooter or any

connections he may or may not have had. so far we are being waved off terrorism. thank you for your service and thank you for being with us tonight. >> caller: and thank you for your support, and once begin, now is the time for us to circle the wagons as the nation and give everyone the support they richly deserve. >> absolutely. all the best. >> caller: thank you, ma'am. >> we've been seeing intensity around these microphones at ft. hood. we will speak with colonel alan west and this issue about whether concealed carry permits should help protect these soldiers on base. why if you have a permit shouldn't you be able to carry a weapon. would it have helped here? that's next. [ female announcer ] grow, it's what we do.

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it is 9:45 eastern time, 8:45 in texas where a shooter has left 14 people hurt and four people dead. we just heard from doctors at one hospital, that they have six patients, some of whom are in critical condition. chuck hagel spoke about the situation earlier tonight. >> we will continue to address the issue. and as i said, anytime you lose any of your people to these kinds of tragedies, there's an issue. there's a problem. we don't have the facts. we will get the facts. and when we have those facts,

specifically, about ft. hood, we'll address them. we don't have any choice here but to address what happened. and do everything possible to assure the safety of our men and women who work on these bases and their families. that isn't an option. it isn't a matter of a question or a challenge too tough. we will do it. >> colonel alan west joins me now. he was a commander on the ft. hood base for two years and knows it well. good to have you. >> good to be hire. >> in september 2013 a man opened fire at the washington navy yard and killed 13 people, including the gunman. after that, mr. hagel asked them to review security, to examine the granting of security clearances and so on. similar measures were taken after the first ft. hood, but it

still happens, however, it's like a little city. how can they better protect their little city anymore than we can protect new york city or dallas, texas or any other city where violent crime happens? >> you're absolutely right. first of all, condo lenses go out to the families of those who have been killed and wounded. soldiers on the military installation, not everyone is armed. your personally assigned weapon is in an arms room. and even if you are going to draw that weapon out for training, you don't have the ammunition with you. the ammunition meets you out there. so when you talk about a military installation, outside of the civilian contracted police or the military police, no one is armed. that becomes a free firing range. >> a lot of our viewers have been asking why wouldn't one of these, you know, few dozen people who are likely in this facility have shot this shooter, you know, earlier. how did he get to shoot so many

people. same question with the 2009 incident. >> absolutely. >> and there's a reason for that. they weren't armed. >> they're not armed. and if you go back and look at ha happened in 2009, you look at what happened at the navy yard, those were not military personnel that shot those two assailants. it was contracted police officers, and there at the navy yard it was d.c. police officers that came in and shot. so you did not even have military that could react and take these assailants down. we do have a problem. we do have an issue. first of all, i can tell you as a commander, the question now is the background of this sold yefrmt they're going through his barracks room, or if he was off post they're looking at his residence. they're looking through his computer files. >> not everyone lives on the base. >> no. not everyone lives on the base. and they're trying to ascertain how was it that this individual was able to have a firearm. >> if you live off the base and you come on the base do you have

to go through a magnetometer or anything? >> no. you have a sticker. and pretty much you just are waved right on. maybe selectively. >> it's an honor system that you're not going to bring a weapon on? >> absolutely. so no one is really going through the hoods and trunks and things like that unless the level of security goes to a higher status. >> what do you make of the fact that reportedly, and this is still fluid, that he got off 20 rounds. does that tell you anything about the kind of weapon he likely had? i can't imagine you could get off too many rounds with all these military sitting there, without somebody trying to tackle him. but yet it happened that way before. >> if someone is armed, you are unarmed and they're firing rounds at you, your immediate, you know, instinct is to take cover, because you cannot return fire. >> especially these poor guys in the medical unit as the last

guest was just describing. >> you have the first cavalry division. the medical brigade is assigned to headquarters. >> that's basically headquarters. what does that mean? where they go if they need medical care? >> absolutely. those are military occupational specialty. so they are not infantrymen or combat arms men and women in that type of a unit. so once again, you're talking about people that aren't trained to immediately react and take the right type of actions to combat something -- someone that is firing upon them. but when you're not armed, i mean, you're shooting ducks. you are certainly shooting ducks. so i think we have to start looking at what can we do to make sure we don't have our military base that is free fire zones. a lot of people are talking about letting them have their concealed fire weapons but you

can have a duty roster where certain members of a unit are able to carry and we know who those individuals are. and you rotate that duty and responsibility. >> let me stand you by because i want to bring in pete who is an iraq war vet. pete, your thoughts on that? we're not trying to put blame on anybody other than the shooter here but we want to look at how we can better protect our men and women on the >> i think the colonel is on to something here. you talk about the marine corps that brought this idea up late in 2013 after the navy yard shooting, that you have assigned people within a unit that has a firearm. you want to maintain discipline order within your unit and who is carrying and who is not and most of the time you're assigning weapons to go out to the range or to a military operation. you're under avail of protection on a base where it's -- it's an honor system. there's guards at the front gate protecting who can come in and who cannot.

otherwise, it's the military police or other guards who are charged with providing that safety and otherwise you are, as the colonel said, sitting ducks if someone decides to go rogue. >> i understand how people worry about arming everybody on board on these bases and a lot of these guys are suffering from ptsd and so on. there are potential issues there and really the notion of not trusting the vast majority of our men and women in uniform to whom we give guns, to not use them on one another raises a lot of questions for folks, pete. >> i think it does. we trust young 18, 19-year-olds to go into combat and defend us on our behalf and we give them a great deal of responsibility and i think we recognize with that responsibility there is a lot that comes with that responsibility. here on post in the united states, sometimes -- and we've seen this, the colonel has seen it, too, we want to dial back any risk whatsoever and even on post and sometimes on

deployment. ammunition is withheld more than it should be. i think we need to be entrusting junior leaders and others to make the tough decisions on site. i'm not saying that you arm everybody. but sometimes risk mitigation can go too far, which means you have a bunch of unarmed people in particular situations that can't fend themselves. >> colonel, what is your last thought as we await this news conference at ft. hood? >> well, i can tell you at the command level, every single person is being asked whether there were indicators or warnings that you saw, they are looking at his barracks room or off post residence. they are trying to piece together the motive because that's the most important thing to understand. >> very good of you to be here. pete, you as well. thank you so much. we'll be right back. [ engine turns over ] [ male announcer ] the 2014 nissan altima. with 270 horses... ♪ ...blind spot warning... ♪ ...and advanced drive assist. ♪

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breaking tonight, new developments from ft. hood. this is just coming in to us from our local affiliate. watch. >> reporter: just a few minutes ago, the all clear was given at ft. hood. the emergency is over and directly behind me you can see a steady flow of cars from everyone who was locked down on the post for the past several hours now being allowed to leave the post and go home. the shooting happened less than an hour before the recording of retreat and colors. that signals the end of the day. before that recording played. and instead of bugle music, everyone on post heard the alert

saying, lock down, an active shooter situation was under way. the situation here quickly developed into a tense situation with emergency vehicles from across the area coming in to post while the gates were locked down. only the emergency vehicles were allowed in. those on post were told to do what is called shelter in place, lock doors, do not go by windows, stay down and stay away from everything and anything that can pose a threat while investigators were trying to determine what was going on. several army individuals, family members were here at the main gate. could not get in. and the only way that they could reach their loved ones was through cell phones. they made several -- several individuals told me they made contact with their loved ones who were locked down in place, sheltering in place and found some comfort knowing that their loved ones were okay but it was still a very tense situation for all of the family members.

the situation here on post is all clear. but we are now learning that four individuals were killed, including the gunmen, 14 individuals injured, taken to the hospital in temple where they are being carried for right now. it remains a fluid situation. we expect a full briefing from military brass around 9:15. that's the story here in killeen at ft. hood. now back to you. >> thanks to rudy for that report. you heard that there will be a press conference coming up in about 15 minutes and we'll hear directly from those at ft. hood. you heard the latest numbers have not changed now. in the past hour or so, four dead, including the shooter, plus, another 14 wounded. 4 1/2 years ago when the massacre took place then, there were 13 dead and 32 wounded and that community was just starting to heal from that event after the shooter in that instance had been sentenced to death.

this shooter is said to have taken his own life before the incident was over and that is just going to be the very beginning of this story. and the questions that will be asked. our coverage will continue in a moment now with sean hannity. thanks for being with us. i'm megyn kelly. welcome to "hannity." this is a fox news alert. a gunman opened fire earlier today. at least four people are dead including the shooter and 14 are wounded. some critically. many of the victims are still in surgery at this hour as a massive investigation into exactly what has happened now ramps up as we await that press conference. let's go out to jennifer griffin who is in washington tonight and she's been gathering details since the story broke. jennifer? >> reporter: sean, we understand that the all clear has been given at ft. hood so life is returning to normal after that shelter in place order had been in