a quake left six people dead. more severe weather heading to the plain states. snow and hail expected to make landfall. >> "fox & friends" starts right now. bye. good morning. it is thursday, april 3, 2014. we begin with a fox news alert. it's happened again. five years after the deadly shooting at fort hood, another soldier there opened fire on his own. >> you don't think that somebody wearing a uniform is going to open fire and try to kill you. >> we're learning a lot about the shooter this morning. we are live on the ground as the story unfolds. >> have we learned anything from what happened back in 2009? >> al qaeda and jihaddists are targeting our military bases. that is a fact. >> that's right. if we know that, why can't our soldiers train

professionals with guns, carry guns on base? >> we'll debate that all three hours long. a feminist conference claims to be inclusive until a conservative woman shows up. >> we don't know if we want to participate in that. >> you guys aren't wanted. >> the woman behind that video here live this hour. mornings areç better with friends. ♪ ♪ >> at this moment officials trying to figure out what caused a gunman to open fire inside fort hood leaving three people dead. it's the second time this has happened in nearly five years. and everyone thinking not again. ainsley ear hart live in fort hood with us this morning in texas. ainsley, we're learning

brand-new details about the suspect. what do we know? >> elisabeth, at this point we know his name. his name is ivanç lopez. he was 34 years old. he was a military truck driver, an army specialist. he was married. he was a father. and he was apparently receiving treatment for some mental problems. we're told suffering with depression and anxiety to determine whether or not he was suffering from ptsd. he killed three people yesterday right here at fort hood and then he t-rpbd the gun on -- and then he turned the gun on himself and killed himself with a .45 caliber smith & wesson. we're told investigators are meeting with his wife and she is cooperating. lopez was dressed in his combat fatigues, came to fort hood and witnesses say he released shots. it started on a medicalç post inside the brigade. here are the details.

>> it is believed that he walked into one of the unit buildings, opened fire, got into a vehicle, fired from a vehicle, got out of the vehicle, walked into another building and opened fire again. >> he was confronted in the parking lot by a female military officer. this morning she is being hailed a hero because they're saying she was the one who stopped him. take a listen toe drew her gun e parking lot and then this happened. >> he was approaching her at about 20 feet, put his hands up, then reachedç under his jacket, pulled out the nine mill. she pulled out her weapon and then she engaged and then he put the weapon to his head and he died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. >> guys, back in the studio, they don't have a motive here, they say.

they have not yet ruled out terrorism but they say it's not looking like that but they're not ruling anything out at this point. >> sure. we know three dead, 16 wounded. luckily they had a level one trauma unit nearby. >> you're exactly right. that is in temple, texas, not too far away. nine individuals were transported by land and some by air as well the medical facility did, that these patients were coming there. this isn't the first time they had to deal with this. i just got off the phone with those guys at the hospital. they have nine patients there, three are critical, six are stable. they are all in the i.c.u. these are men and women there. some even arriving last night in their uniforms. injuries include gunshots to that extremities, stomach area, chest and to the neck. they are there at the level one trauma center which is not too far away, being taken care of this morning. >> i understand dr. matt

davis, he treated the victims in 2009, the last time there was a killing there, and foxç news has reached out to him and spoken to him as well? >> yeah, that's exactly right. he was talking about what it's like to do this all over again. it was five years ago when he was treating those individuals that died and then the 30-plus individuals that were there at his hospital getting treatment. here's what he had to say about what it's like to treat military members. >> i think we all feel indebted to the men and women who serve our country and who put themselves in harm's way. i think all of us here -- i know i can speak for everyone -- feel invested in the community with the soldiers we have across the way at fort hood. i think any time they hurt, we hurt. >> well, lopez was only at fort hood for the last few months. he hasn't been here long. he was at another installation in texas before that.ç >> ainsley earhardt live at fort hood, texas.

thank you very much. >> who is specialist ivan lopez? we have a lot to know, we're going to get a lot more information as everybody wakes up today and starts looking into it. this is what we do know. he was oepbt -- on the list to be looked at, being evaluated for mental and health issues, some speck speck -- speculated he was at the beginning of ptsd. he had a self-reported brain injury. he was driving a truck. you constantly feel as roadway could have an i.e.d. on it and could end right there. >> the evaluations post-service may have pointed out, it is important to note it was a self-reported traumatic brain injury that was indicated in the reports that we received. >> and he's undergoing treatment now -- was undergoing treatment for depression and anxiety which could be further

exposed in interviews with his family, and was married twice with kids at 34 years old. >> here's the thing. remember the first time around at fort hood, this administration, even though we feel it was clearly terrorism -- and nidal hasan came out and started shooting people and as he was doing it he was screaming allahç akbar. terrorism. the administration said this was workplace violence. look at it now. this was workplace violence. didn't they learn anything the last time around? keep in mind i believe it was during the clinton administration when they decided men and women on base shouldn't be able to carry arms even though they are trained professionals. what we have learned twice now at fort hood and last september at the navy yard is these guys are sitting ducks. somebody comes in there, they have a gun, there's nothing they can do. >> the rules there specify service members assigned to

fort hood are not allowed to hold arms. if they do, register them, they can beç possessed and registered no later than five working days after storing them at the firearm at fort hood. they may have them, register them and then put them in a specific location locked away. so those that are trained to defend in cases like this are left, some would say, defenseless. >> if you are in iraq or afghanistan you can carry one. but when you're here, you're supposed to be safe but you end up being sitting there like a shooting gallery. here's a statement from one of the employees at fort hood yesterday. when will they alou those who carry weapons permit to carry them on post? we're all hostages on the post. it looks as though this shooter had a gun that was not okayed and was not allowed on base. it was not issued by the government either. >> that's one of the things they thought after the first time we're going to make itç harder and harder. okay, if you have a gun -- and he bought the gun

legally but he didn't tell his commander. he wasn't okayed with it. the chairman of the homeland security committee was on with may goen -- on with megyn last night. he said things have to change. >> i think if you're training for combat you ought to be able to carry a weapon. al qaeda, terrorists and jihaddists are targeting our military bases. that is a fact. and if they are trained in warfare, they can carry weapons in warfare, it seems to me there is some logic to allow them to carry weapons on a military baseç where they can defend themselves. >> how many times have we heard our men and women at these military bases are targets of terrorism? all right. at the same time you can't carry a gun; how are you supposed to protect yourself? >> coming up we'll be talking to a sergeant who survived the 2009 fort hood massacre after being shot several times. he's going to let us know

his reaction and thoughts on all of that. in the meantime heather childers has other breaking news. >> while you were sleeping, people in chile jolted out of bed again. aç 7.6 magnitude after shock rocking the same area hit a day earlier by that massive 8.2 quake that killed six people. at this hour all tsunami warnings, they have been canceled and there is no word yet on any new damage or injuries. to benghazi, explanations and pointed accusations, for the first time publicly ex-c.i.a. boss mike morell faces the house intelligence committee on the terror attacks in benghazi. morell admitting he ignored reports from the benghazi station chief in the days

after the attacks. morell also down played his role in editingç those controversial talking points and he denies outside influence. take a listen to what he said about leaving out the word "islamic." >> and the last thing i wanted to do was to do anything to further inflame those passions and so that's why i took the word islamic out. it was a misjudgment. the second reason i took it out is because what other kind of extremists are there in libya? >> according to one operator watching the hearing -- one reporter that should be -- morell doesn't have any idea what happened that night and didn't understand why he speculated during the hearing saying, quote, he wouldn't have to speculate if he talked to the people in libya that night. caught onç camera, the amazing moment when a pilot in brazil landed a plane on

only its back wheels. look at this. look closely here. the plane's nose never touches down in the landing. that's because the front landing gear failed. when the pilot finally does lower the nose to the runway, fire crews spray the plane just to be safe. thanks to that pilot's nerves of steel, no one was hurt. >> that is some good driving. >> yeah. >> i'd like to be on that pilot's plane. >> 12 minutes after the top of the hour. >> still ahead, more on the story. this fort hood shooting a painful reminderç for the victims of the 2009 rampage at forward. our -- rampage at fort hood. >> this video will make you drop your jaw. a mom trying to beat a train. look at what happens here. oh my goodness.

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fox news alert, four people dead at fort hood including a shooter. specialist ivan lopez. this was the second attack to take place at the texas army base, the largest military base in the united states. so what did we not learn the first time? staff sergeantç alonzo lunsford survived the first fort hood shooting after being shot more than half a dozen times. he joins us live this morning. good morning to you, sergeant. >> good morning. >> i know when you heard the news last night, there was a wave of emotion. not again. but now this morning you're thinking about it, and you're angry, aren't you? >> i am extremely angry. i am. >> why? >> well, because this has happened again. and after our shooting, the first thing that was said was what are we going to do to stop this from happening

again? and everyone, the powers thatç be, the military and also our government, came up with all these grandiose ideas what they were going to do to fix the problem so it doesn't happen. looking back on the event that happened last night, it sounded good but nothing ever happened. and i feel right now that everything that was said was said just because, to give people what they thought they wanted them to hear. right now in the military, we are over 150,000 health care professionals behind the power curve where we need to be behind the fighting force. that is for all components. i don't want it to be if you have a service member who has ptsd to looked upon as if we're a threat. then in the downsize of the military -- which is a badç idea -- men who said the war is winding down, now we're very vulnerable, even in the standpoint of our

security on our bases. they don't see that it's an immediate threat where we need to be set up. now is the time. again, it was a medical facility, a medical unit that was the target, a soft target. >> sergeant, i think common sense says these are trained individuals meant to defend. they're left defenseless. you know this. why is this the case? why aren't our military men and women allowed to carry weapons so they can defendç themselves in a case like this? >> see, that's the magic question. we are trained to be able to operate these weapons and make good decisions with the weapons. and as i stated before, guns don't kill people. people kill people. but if you are allowed to carry the weapons on the base, that's a deterrent. even if you have a terrorist that is going to try to do something against our country, they won't do

it because they know what the end result will be. or if you have a disgruntled person they won't do it because they know what the end result will be. that all goes back to where we need to communicate. we need to give these veterans the help that they need and not put them on a waiting list. because if you have ptsd, before you get a chance to see a mental health care professional, it isç not where you can go in and say i have a problem today and see someone today. >> sergeant, here to back up your thoughts with some facts, as soon as lopez was confronted by an m.p. with a gun, that's when he stopped and took his own life. the first time he was confronted. maybe he wouldn't have done this if he knew he was going to be stopped by a bunch of people that were going to shoot back. >> absolutely. when he was first confronted -- and it's about how you confront a person that has some challenges. if you come at them in a threatening manner, then they're going to resort to

violence. but you have toç calm the person down and look at their nonverbal cues before you make a reaction. >> retired staff sergeant alonzo lunsford, he was there five years ago and he knows better than anybody what the folks at fort hood are going through today. sir, thanks for your service and thank you for being here today. >> a feminist conference claims to be inclusive until a conservative woman shows up. listen. >> i just feel this is a conservative [inaudible] so i wanted to warn you. you guys aren't wanted. >> we're not wanted here? >> the woman behind that video live next. >> you know her as ungrateful, being a teenager who sued her own parents for money. now she's getting a big reward. ♪

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>> we've got quick headlines on this thursday morning. the new jersey teenager who sued her mom and dad for child support after she ran away from their house now bragging on facebook about a scholarship she landed. she is getting $56 thousand from western new england university in massachusetts. she dropped the lawsuit against her folks last month and moved back home. now she's going to college with money. then the teenager who snuck hisç way past security and climbed to the top of one world trade center may not serve time behind bars. he will be evaluated by social workers to see if he's eligible for alternative programs that would keep him out of jail. and off sky scrapers. >> the war on women taking a strange turn. listen to what a group of feminists at the national young feminist leadership conference had to say about

being inclusive. >> everybody can be a feminist really. >> this is for everyone. >> everyone from every different background -plt >> watch what happens when those same women finds out the reporter asking the questions is from a conservative group. >> i thought this is a conservative [inaudible]ç >> we don't know if you want to say that. >> you guys aren't wanted. >> we're not wanted here? >> so what happened to everyone being welcome there? >> joining us now with the woman behind that video, catherine timm from campus reform. you thought you were going to feel a tolerant conference to go to. you experienced something very negative. how did you handle it? >> it was hard to know how to handle it. i never experienced that kind of bullying. because i'm a reporter in campus reform i go to college students and get their views on issues.

i was automatically excluded based onç where i worked. they never asked me my opinions on any issues. i was just bullied out basically. >> at the very least a good conversation. you can't expect everyone to agree with you but at least be open to the conversation particularly if this is what it says on their facebook as we have here. it says everyone is welcome. that means folks from all regions, origins, genders and background. i didn't see an asterisk there with an exclamation that conservatives would not be welcome. it seems to be a place that would be safe for any woman to attend. >> it also says staff would be on hand to make sure nobody felt demoralized or uncomfortable. then i was followed around and had all my attempts toç talk to students stopped saying she's conservative or taking pictures of me and posting them on twitter

saying avoid her she's conservative. >> what do you think the problem is? >> i don't know what are they so afraid to talk to me about. i was trying to ask for opinions saying what does feminism mean to you? because of where i work they basically stereotyped me based on a label which is what they said they were there to fight against. >> i draw from their site which has national young leadership conference safe space policy it says we will not allow atmospheres thatç makes women feel uncomfortable or demoralized. >> let's go to another clip from the same conference so you can relive your hell. [inaudible] >> you don't know that. you don't know anything about me or my personal beliefs. i'm just being labeled. >> you were trying to

explain their conclusions were wrong. >> i was trying to explain we can have common ground, we should have a conversation but i was excluded. >> we did reach out but have not heard. what's your hope? >> hopefully people can realize they are arguing against their own points and we should unite and try toç find common ground. >> amen to that. thank you for being with us. from campusreform.org. >> the president is reacting to the news of another fort hood shooting. >> we're heart broken that something like this might have happened again. and i don't want to comment on the facts until i know exactly what has happened. but for now i would just hope that everybody across the country is keeping the families and the community at fort hood in our thoughts and in our prayers. >> but the heartbreak i guess didn't last long. he went off to another fund-raiser for the

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we have multiple gunshot victims. we also have some people who are [inaudible] an advisor saying the vehicle was a dark toyota camry and it was a unit, a specialist that is [inaudible] actually active shooting. >> a gunman opens fire inside fort hood leaving three people dead yesterday afternoon. >> it's the second time this happened in nearly fiveç years. >> right there. and we're live. what are we learning about the suspect? >> reporter: i don't know about you but i heard -- got chills when i heard that audio. at this hour the motive still very, very much unclear. what on earth would have caused this man to start shooting at his fellow soldiers?

and how could this have happened again? but what we do know right now is he's been identified as 34-year-old specialist ivan lopez. he was a military truck driver. he just transferred here to fort hood back in february from another military installation. the cause of that transfer we don't know, but he did live off post in an apartment with his wife and family. officials say he was wearing hisç uniform yesterday when he started shooting, using a .45 caliber smith & wesson semiautomatic weapon that he had just recently purchased here locally. listen. >> we do know that the soldier had behavior health and mental health issues and was being treated for that. he served four months in iraq in 2011. he was under diagnosis for ptsd. >> the shooting happened 4:00 p.m. 16 people taken to area hospitals, all soldiers and

at least three raprn in critical condition this morning. >> we have seen a variety of injuries ranging from mild and superficial to life threatening. these have been involving injuries to extremities. i'm always amazed at how resilient people are, specifically our military. again, this is another reason we feel very proud to take care of them. >> no doubt yesterday's tragedy reopening wounds in this military community after nidal hasan carried out a mass shooting on november 5, 2009. he was just sentenced to death in august for those crimes. listen to a victim from that day react to this news. staff sergeant sean manning shot half a dozen times by hassan. he was on the kelly file last night. >> you doí', think somebody wearing a uniform is going to open fire and try to kill you. you trust that other soldier, even after i had

gotten shot. i actually had to play dead for awhile to prevent hassan from essentially coming up and finishing me off. >> the commanders here at fort hood do not believe that this is an act of terrorism. however, they say they're not ruling it out, that it is still obviously very, very early in this investigation. >> live at fort hood. thank you very much. he's talking about theç commanders at fort hood. from them to the commander in chief. the president of the united states was busy last night in chicago. he went to a couple of fund-raisers. one at a chicago cut steak house where people paid $32,400 a person to be in attendance. another one at a private home. he had these observations about what happened down there in texas. >> we're heartbroken that something like this might have happened again. i don't want to comment on

the facts until i know exactly what has happened. but for now i would just hope that everybody across the country is keeping the families and the community of fort hood in our thoughts and in our prayers. >> they really got to think about how to keep it from happening again. they really have to start thinking about whether or not the men and women who are trained to handle guns inç the army and our services can carry guns while at the job. >> certainly will be a discussion that will be had at the white house and across the nation. let us know what you think about that. do you think our military should be able to properly defend themselves. >> and that is the question right now on our facebook page. weigh in and we'll let everybody know what you think. meanwhile heather childers has been asked to do double duty because ainsley earhardt has been asked to go down to fort hood and is doing great job with the coverage. >> yes. we have some other headlines to talk about, though. this, a delta plane coming to a stop in the grass at

new york's jfk airport. the plane was forced to make an emergency landing after its hydraulic system which controls the brake, it wasn't working. it skidded off the runway right into the grass. no one was hurt. you're not welcome here. that is what the family of bunny mellon apparently told john edwards when he arrived at the funeral for the multimillionaire. you may recall the disgraced politician charmed mellon into donating thousands for his presidential bid. he is believed to use some of that cash to support his then pregnant mistress. absolutely unbelievable video out of houston. the driver of an s.u.v. with two children inside -- look at that! tried to beat thatç train and gets hit. miraculously, unbelievably everybody inside survived. although the two adults and

two children that were in the car were taken to the hospital. the driver being cited for running a red light and for going around the crossing gates. should be cited for not being responsible with those kids either. now we're going to go to maria. back to you. >> we'll hold it for a second. it almost looks like a stunt. >> there is a reason the arms come down and it says stop. >> in my town we used to have itç flat. there were so many people that couldn't handle the concept of waiting, so they lifted it up, made a huge arch way. >> i can't handle it any more. let's go to maria molina now. maria, save me. >> unfortunately we have astem we're tracking today. it will be impacting areas anywhere from eastern texas up to parts of ohio. there is one region across

parts of missouri, arkansas, western tennessee, including memphis, and northwestern parts of mississippi that could looking at dangerous weather including violent tornadoes. you need to make sure you have a way to get those warnings. the storm system does head east tomorrow. it is just a slight risk but we have that chance tomorrow from parts of louisiana into parts ofç southwestern pennsylvania to see strong to severe storms. very heavy rain expected with the storm system. flash flooding is a concern across parts of the midwest and we have a number of watches in effect out here and already flash flood warnings because it's already started to rain heavily out here and we're expecting several more inches of rain. potentiallily, locally more than four inches in some areas. on the cold side of it, winter storm warnings in effect from parts of south dakota into wisconsin. we're expecting a foot of snow, strong winds. that's a big issue out there. otherwise temperatures wise, we're going to be warming up across texas.

parts of southwestern texas. upper 80's in dallas. >> close to 100 and a foot of snow. that describes what's going on across the country. thank you. >> a search engine giant is trying to take back the power of the internet from the federal government. what yahoo is doing to keep the n.s.a. at bay. >> and let the political spending continue. candidates running for office just got a big boost from the u.s. supreme court. judge andrew napolitano weighs in on that as we roll on live from new york city. good morning to you, judge. ♪ ♪

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quick headlines now. happening today, a top secret terror report could be declassified by the senate intel committee. the report on the bush era interrogation tactics is said to be highly critical of water boarding and other harsh methods, concluded they never turned over key heç evidence in the hunt for bin laden. yahoo stepping up security to protect its users from prying eyes. it will equip all information sent from one yahoo data center to another. >> thank you, brian kilmeade at yahoo.com. meanwhile, a ruling yesterday by the u.s. supreme court might change the course of future

political campaigns. the court struck down limits on overall contributions to campaigns. the limits are still in place for the amount you can give to individual candidates. many are calling the ruling a victory for the first amendment. here with more, fox news senior judicial analyst judge andrew napolitano. judge, it seems like in response to what happened in watergate, they came up gyth a number and they said people can't give more than this number in all. and yesterday the supreme court said that's a skraeu stkeu number. >> -- that's a crazy number. this legislation which is about 40 years old, the court keeps wearing away at it as the court's attitude about the first amendment changes. the current court's current attitude about the first amendment is that money is the equivalent of speech. if you want to take out a full-page ad for a particular candidate or you want to contribute to another candidate, the government shouldn't listen to you saying, well, mr. doocy, we think you spent too much of your money on political candidates in one campaign.

you might have too muchç influence, more influence than your next door neighbor who doesn't have as much money as you. the court basically said the first amendment trumps that. the first amendment says when you have to spend money in order to be heard, whether you're buying a full-page ad or creating a website or contributing to a candidate, you have the right to do that. >> republicans love this. democrats hate it. >> for the most part. one of the strongest critics of this opinion yesterday was senator john mccain who for his entire career, whether you agree with him or not, has been steadfastly consistent on let's keep money out of politics. he thinks the government should pay for campaigns. but for the most part republicans like it and democrats don't. i don't know why the democrats don't. there are actually more rich democrats that spent money on political campaigns than there are rich republicans. >> this all got started, aç guy, i believe was an electrical engineer and he wrote checks for $1,776 to

a bunch of candidates until he got to the limit of $123,000. the court said that is a crazy number. it should be unlimited if that guy wants to give it and the amount you want to give to each person is still stuck at $2600. >> that is a low number if you're into this. but limiting the number of 2600 wasç invalidated yesterday. >> before you had, you had an observation during the commercial break about what happened yesterday at fort hood. >> when i was 20 years old and was in basic training in fort knox, kentucky, in the vietnam era, we carried side arms that were loaded. we were trained to use them. we weren't even full fledged second lieutenants yet. we were training to phaoefplt it is -- it is

beyond me how people trained at a military base can't use them. how many times does this have to happen? >> judge andrew napolitano, sir, thank you very much. a dozen minutes before the top of the hour. still ahead, more on our top story. this fort hood shooting. what happens next? a former member of theç f.b.i.'s joint terrorism task force is here. we're going to ask him some questions. we hope he's got some answers. [ male announcer ] this is the age of knowing what you're made of. why let erectile dysfunction get in your way? talk to youroctor about viagra. ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex.

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at this time there is no indication that this incident is related to terrorism, although we are not ruling anything out,

the investigation continues. >> yep. we're back with a fox news alert. officials now confirming the fort hood shooter was being treated for mental illness. but remember, even after major nidal hasan's ties to for were revealed, it was still called an act of workplace violence. what are investigators looking for this time to prevent it from happening again and why did it happen again? joining us now is former senior military intelligence officer and former member of the f.b.i. joint terrorist task force, steve rogers. since 2009, there have been nine other base shootings. how do we stop this? >> the only way you're going to prevent tragedies like this from occurring is to make sure your military personnel are armed. look, brian, we're at war. i know the administration seems to deny this constantly, but we're at war with terrorists. we have young men and women we arm to go out and do battle overseas. they're armed on those bases. our base here are targets. so as a result, you have to arm the people to protect

themselves. >> you have a man in fatigues that was in the army. he was not allowed to carry that he actually had. what adjustments do you think fort hood should have made besides arming that they didn't do? >> first thing they should have done is make sure there were absolute unconditional efficient checks at the gate. i'm talking about like when i was in the military marines were at some of these military base, they check your cars, your person. they have to do these things because we are at war, for goodness sakes. >> so you also have been in touch with a lot of men and women who suffered from ptsd. that's what this guy seems to have had after four months in iraq. >> yes. now we're going to the root cause of some problems. what i did was establish a military and veterans affairs bureau interfacing with our military. vets come in and say can you help me? what we do is have these

individuals go to psychologists in our community who have stepped up and volunteered. you know what? things are working out for these fellows. the problem we're facing is the government's gotten so big, the v.a. has gotten so big, you're a number. you're on a chart. thank you, go home. >> if you're missing an arm or leg, i see your problem. but if you have ptsd and you're not sure what you have and why you feel that way, you keep it to yourself fundamentally. as you cut back the budgets on the military, that's one of the things that gets cut. >> exactly. that's why on a local level, we're advocating local government, step up, help your citizens on a local level. and it works. it works. >> what are some of the questions you would ask if they put you on this case today? >> first of all, there are going to be two questions. one. >> terrorism nexus? i don't know why they dismissed that right away without investigation being complete. if there isn't, there isn't. however, the second question is, what about the mental stability of this soldier? where was he? what was he talking about? what did he see when he was in iraq?

that leads us to mental illness. being in the health department, i'm learning a lot about it. it's a problem in this country. >> steven rogers spent his entire rogers looking at cases like this. thanks for your instant analysis and -- thanks for your expertise. here is what's coming up in the next two hours, piers morgan already has a strong opinion about the latest fort hood shooting. he says the shooter was a nice guy. it's the gun's fault. and the c.i.a. boss in charge at the time of the benghazi attack says he took out islamic extremism from the talking points. wait 'til you hear why.

good morning. today is thursday, april 3. i'm elisabeth hasselbeck. a fox news alert. it happened again. another deadly massacre at fort hood. we are live at the texas base with what we know about the shooter and his motive for murder. why wasn't the shooter

stopped sooner? >> we are trained to be able to operate these weapons and make good decisions with the weapons. if you are allowed to carry the weapons on the base, that's a deterrent. >> that's right. despite the 2009 terrorist attack, soldiers at fort hood were banned from bearing arms. and then there is this guy. piers morgan. cnn guy. he says the shooter was a nice guy. it's the gun's fault. and you wonder why he doesn't have a show anymore. it's a wednesday morning. you're watching "fox & friends" on the fox news channel. >> thank you very much for joining us, a special edition of "fox & friends." it has happened again. we were told five years ago after the first fort hood shooting they would do things to change things. we've had some experts on this

morning, nothing's changed. >> that's right. a chilling story indeed. officials are trying to figure out what caused a gunman to open fire inside fort hood, leaving three people dead. it's the second time that this happened in nearly five years. ainsley earhart live in fort hood, texas. we're learning brand-new details about the shooter. what now do we know? >> reporter: we have learned his name. ivan lopez, he's 34 years old, or was 34. he was married. he had a little girl, i'm reading. he was an army specialist. he was getting treatment for some mental problems. i'm learning that was anxiety he was suffering with, depression, trying to determine if he suffered from ptsd. he did serve four months in iraq. he killed three people yesterday before turning the gun on himself. he was using a .45 caliber smith & wesson. investigators say they're interviewing all the witnesses trying to figure out why he did this. they're also asking his wife

some questions. we're being told she is cooperating this morning. lopez was on the attack wearing his fatigues. we're being told that is a psychological tragedy because imagine being shot in your uniform by someone else in their uniform. listen to how all of this unfolded. >> it is believed that they walked into one of the unit buildings, opened fire, got into a vehicle, fired from a vehicle. got out of the vehicle, walked into another building and opened fire again. >> reporter: now, lopez could have kept going, but there is a hero involved in this story. a female military police officer walked outside. she was in the parking lot. she spotted him. she drew her gun before he could point the gun at anyone else. listen to this. >> he was approaching her at about 20 feet, put his hands up. then reached under his jacket,

pulled out the .9 mill and she pulled out her weapon and then she engaged and then he put the weapon to his head and he died of a self inflicted gunshot wound. >> ainsley, we know about the death of the three people on base. what about the 13 that are wounded, what are their statuses? >> reporter: i did just get off the phone with the hospital again. i've been in touch with them before every live shot this morning trying to find out what their status is. nothing has changed in the last hour. nine patients at the hospital. they're in temple, texas, not too far away. some of them transported helicopter or some by land in an ambulance. they're now at baylor scott white hospital, level one trauma center. they have all the resource there is to treat this kind of thing. there are nine patients there, three still in critical condition. six are now stable. they're all still in icu and

some did arrive in their fatigues as well, in their military uniforms. their injuries include gun shots to the extremities, stomach area, chest area and the neck. one of the doctors treating them, he said last night, here we go again because of it five years ago when this happened, when 13 people were shot dead and 30-plus were injured right here on fort hood. and he was there at the hospital treating many of them. he said this about what it's like to treat military members. >> i think we all feel indebted to the men and women who serve our country and put themselves in harm's way. i think all of us here at scott and white, i know i can speak for everyone, feel invested in the community with the soldiers we have across the way at fort hood and i think that any time they hurt, we hurt. >> reporter: lopez transferred here about a few months ago in february. he was at another installation in the state of texas as well. he bought that gun recently,

we're told. and he was not permitted to have that here on the base. it was not registered. therefore, he was not allowed to have it. back to you. >> all right. thank you very much. i'm looking at the twitter machine now. cardinal dolan just tweeted out in the last ten minutes, please join me in praying for all the dead and wounded and their families and loved ones in the tragic fort hood shooting. >> so who is ivan lopez? we know he served four months over in iraq. we know that he was being treated on some level with behavioral and mental health issues. we're about to find out the role of ptsd. >> that's right. he had a self-reported brain traumatic injury, important to note, under diagnosis. was undergoing treatment for depression, anxiety, was married actually twice with a kid. >> the associated press is reporting that he did seek counseling while being evaluated for ptsd. they still had not arrived at any sort of diagnosis about it.

and was mentioned earlier, he reported that he had a brain injury that had not been confirmed yet. keep in mind, it was five years ago at fort hood that what was then considered workplace violence, even though the guy, you know, nidal hasan came out and started shooting, screaming allah akbar, now we're faced with something very similar, but this looks a lot like workplace violence. as we've heard so far this morning, it doesn't sound like it was terrorism. they don't have anything about that. but yet, five years later after a lot of promises that something would be done and this has happened again, somebody shot five years ago had this observation about an hour ago. >> right now in the military, we are over 150,000 mental health care professionals behind the curve for all the fighting force. i don't want it to be where if you have a service member that

has ptsd or tbi to look upon as if they're a threat. we need to give these veterans the help that they need and not put them on a waiting list. we are trained to be able to operate these weapons and make good decisions with the weapons. as i stated before, guns don't kill people. people kill people. but if you are allowed to carry the weapons on the base, that's a deterrent. >> sure. that deterrent was not until too late there. we did hear that heroic story of the female officer there, sergeant lunsford, who survived the attack after being shot seven times in 2009. there you have our soldiers not being able to arm themselves. still, if they have a weapon, they are to register within five days of purchase and obtaining it. but then that must be stored away in these lockers so it cannot be carried on their person, therefore leaving them vulnerable as many say. this is a quote from a fort hood employee about just that. >> he says, when will they allow

those who have concealed weapons permit to carry them on post? we don't have a way to protect ourselves. when you talk about fort hood that has 41,000 who are going to be guarded by mp's, in this case, this woman who had a gun, just the presence of her with a gun had him make a move and kill himself because he was on his way, it seems as though, to another mass shooting. >> we had judge napolitano on about 20 minutes ago. he talked about how in the '70s when he was doing basic training at fort knox, tennessee, they all wore side arms. but it was during the bill clinton administration, they decided on base, men and women who were trained in firearms safety and how to handle a gun could not carry them. it's interesting, as you look at a live shot there at fort hood -- and we're waiting for any new developments -- gateway pundit, a way right leaning blog, what they write this morning is, the obama administration is responsible for this mass shooting. they witnessed this before.

they didn't learn a thing. gun free zones are death zones. it is time to stand up to the lunacy. >> the military made public statements about this. they should be leading the charge there and they should have done an elaborate investigation. i imagine they did that said this is how we stop it next time. this is what we do this time. now are is going to be a lot of scrutiny with that. >> the devastating irony is that those when are trained to properly defend for good are left defenseless in a case like this. this is for the second time. >> meanwhile, they protect themselves in afghanistan and iraq. they come home and living with their families and going to be some crazed shooter tomorrow, they can't even protect their own family on their base. >> you know what? they protect all of us, but they can't protect themselves. meanwhile, piers morgan, who used to have a show on cnn, he wrote this about what happened. he writes: if only there had been a good guy with a gun, such crap, this #forthoodshooter

soldier was a good guy until he turned bad with a gun. >> how profound. let me just think about that. >> that must be the dumbest tweet i've ever seen. i'm just going to say. they're keeping our people safe, people in other nations safe, i can't believe that crossed his twitter verse. >> if you have a dumber tweet, share it with us. >> only if it's dumber. >> nothing came in. >> we got nothing. >> he still has a lot of time on his hand to come up with great things. >> he's doing specials. heather childers has been here to help us with the news. >> there is stuff going on in north korea that we need to talk about. also new this morning, north korea reportedly set to execute 200 high-ranking government officials believed to be loyal to kim jong-un's uncle. one man held several top government officials, executed

in december accused of trying to overthrow the government. up to 1,000 more people, all family members of the people set to be executed, could be sent to prison camps. and while you were sleeping, people in chile jolted out of bed again as aftershocks rocked the coast. 7.6 magnitude aftershock hitting that same area where a massive 8.2 quake left six people dead. evacuation order was lifted. that was around 2 a.m officials getting a better look at the damage this morning, but so far they say nothing too serious. that's good news. and caught on camera, the amazing moment -- look at this. it's when a pilot in brazil landed a plane on only its back wheels. look closely. the plane's nose never even

touches down in the landing. that's because the front landing gear failed. when the pilot finally does lower the nose to the runway, fire crews quickly spray the plane to be safe. and thanks to that pilot's nerves of steel, no one injured. but definitely a little shaken up if you were on that plane. >> i can imagine. you know, afterwards, you got to figure -- thank you very much. >> you got to figure that the people who were on the plane, lucky to be alive, what's taking so long with my bag! >> of course. >> where is the shuttle? coming up straight ahead. >> yep. the c.i.a. boss in charge at the time of the benghazi attack says he took out islamic extremism from the talking points and wait until you hear his rationale. >> yeah. >> and investigators work on the latest fort hood shooting, a soldier who saved lives during the 2009 rampage joins us live with his perspective.

welcome back. 13 people were killed at the fort hood shooting in 2009. but could more have been done to save them if the policy banning guns was not there in the military base as soon as joining us, former army sergeant howard ray. he witnessed the 2009 fort hood shooting himself and is credited for saving nine lives that day. sergeant, we thank you for being with "fox & friends" this morning. that day in 2009, those scars are ripped open, i'm sure, as you reacted to the news of a second shooting and killing spree yesterday. what were your thoughts? >> well, my initial thoughts

were about the families and the soldiers that are affected. it breaks my heart to see this happen again and to see this community of soldiers and the community of copperas cove have to relive this again. >> your story is one of heroism. the army honored you for saving lives that day. you were hunted down by hasan as he went out shooting and killing others. you saved and rescued people. without a gun, you entered that base that day. if there was a gun that day, if there were guns on the hips of those that are trained to defend, could this have been prevented? >> it could have been prevented or at least mitigated. the fact is i had an open shot on the individual when it happened. the shooting took place in 2009 and unfortunately, all i

could -- i was in civilian clothes that day. again, absolutely it's one of these things that could have been prevented. >> you actually went back, i read you went back and put your gun back home just trying to obey the policy here. we have the department of defense policy on military bases as it regards to guns here. it says the authorization to carry firearms shall be issued only to qualified personnel and there is a reasonable expectation that life or assets will be jeopardized if firearms are not carried. personnel regularly engaged in law enforcement or security duties shall be armed. what needs to change, sergeant ray? >> well, since this happened a second time, maybe under the same or different circumstance, we don't know to this point. but we need to adhere to exactly what the dod just said. this has been proven over and over again that when our

soldiers are unarmed, they find themselves in a situation like yesterday and in 2009, our soldiers are very important to us as a community and also me personally, being a soldier, i want to make sure that my brothers and sisters in arms have the ability to take care of themselves and be able to defend themselves and others when tragic situations like this happens. >> what haunts you the most? >> what haunts me the most i guess is it seems to me -- this is just a lot of frustration, really -- that over the course of the last five years, it's almost as if we haven't learned anything at all, that our soldiers could have been armed back in 2009 to take out the threat that was presented to them then and here we are again reliving this all over again.

it really hurts me and it hurts me to see friends -- i had two friends that were in the building where it started. they're okay. but i also had a friend that i had pulled out of the 2009 shooting in the same area as well. so it really hurts to see them and their families revictimmized all over again. >> absolutely. sergeant ray, we want to thank you for your service to this nation, your heroism and your message for this nation moving forward. >> thank you very much and i ask you to pray for the soldiers and pray for their families and our leaders of this century. >> without a doubt. thanks. double dipping at the voting booth is going on. this just in. tens of thousands of voters cast two ballots in the 2012 presidential election. what? the stock market is a gamble and it's legal. so why is it illegal to gamble on sports? john stossel walking in. he says it has to do with

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time for news by the numbers. first, $5,000. that's how much obamacare will cost large companies per employee over the next decade. a study by the american health policy institute says the soaring costs will force companies with more than 10,000 employees to adjust their services. next, 35,000. that's how many north carolina people may have voted twice in the 2012 election. a massive case of potential voter fraud. in some cases votes were cast by people who were dead. 56,000. that's how much a massachusetts college awarded rachel canning

in scholarship money. the teen who sued her parents for child support. now bragging about the scholarship on her facebook page. how much is that school? >> a lot. i think it's over 50,000 a year. meanwhile, do you like to gamble? >> gambling is popular and i say that's fine. but some say gambling is a game. >> just has negative consequences that begin to ripple through a society. >> my poker game with friends would be a crime in half the states. >> you're under arrest. >> but wait. why are people arrested for gambling when it's okay for states to sell lotteryies? >> john stossel, who apparently made bail, joins us live. this is just another example of government hypocrisy. how so? >> the state lottery is the worst odds of all the games. they took over the numbers racket. we have to protect you from those criminals, but i know,

we'll run it and that will put the bookies out of business. so they run it. they offer worse odds and now they advertise it. and they disparage work here in new york state. they run ads saying, quit your job. win the jackpot. it's disgusting. 10% of the money goes for education. >> right. >> when it comes to sports, what's your feeling on that? all the brackets. >> okay. $12 billion supposedly was spent on march madness. one in three americans put money into one of those brackets. it's illegal in half the states. isn't that hypocritical? >> not enforced? >> it's not enforced. but that's dangerous when the authorities can enforce people they don't like. >> do you agree that there is a lot of people get addicted to gambling? so we need a society to protect us from betting everything. steve's lunch money. if he was gambling that away, that could hurt his family. >> it could. and the laws against it don't stop it.

people still gamble. if they gamble illegally, it's more dangerous. but yeah, some people are problem gamblers. >> as adults, it ought to be our choice to spend our money as we want. >> what's the moral to the story, stossel wise? >> we have too many laws. gambling for adults should be illegal and keep an eye on it and let the police focus on crimes where people hurt other people directly. >> regulation, not banning? >> regulation -- you don't -- >> you hate regulations. >> because the consumer -- if government wasn't regulated, it would be underwriters report -- >> would you want to do your show on this very topic? >> i think i will. >> i think you're on a roll. >> can you pull it together by tonight at 9:00 o'clock? >> yes. >> want to bet? let's see. will he be able to pull it off? >> the first torso promo since

varney. it's good. got a good torso. good job, john. >> i'm betting on you. >> okay, good. coming up straight ahead, a rough landing for passengers flying into new york. the plane lost its brakes. the people wound up in the grass. they weren't happy. >> and they weren't supposed to. we just talked to the hospital treating the fort hood patients. we have an update about their condition coming up next. you're watching "fox & friends".

platoon sergeant was shot. we have two victims with gunshot wounds. there is one walking around conscious and breathing. i believe on his left side, upper rib cage. 33,000 block of 72nd street. we have some people on the ground. access shooter is currently inside the building number 33026. >> all right. that is obviously audio from the police dispatch yesterday, taken during the shooting at the fort hood army base in texas. four people dead, including the gunman and 16 others hurt at this hour. some are in critical condition. >> they are. right now with the very latest updates on the victims, is chief medical officer of scott and white memorial hospital, dr. steven.

thank you for joining us. >> good morning. >> how many patient victims were -- victims were transported to your hospital and can you give us the latest on their status? >> i certainly can. nine in total were transferred either by ground or by air ambulance. three remain in critical condition. six are in serious condition. we're getting some good news as our teams evaluate the patients. many of those patients will be upgraded to a lesser severe condition. >> how many? >> at this point i can't give you the exact numbers, but many of the seriously injured patients will be upgraded to fair. >> doctor, our prayers are with the families and the victims here and certainly the medical teams working for their care. when you started seeing victims come in, what went through your mind? this is the second time in five years. >> quite honestly, it was here we go again, because many of us

who were in the hospital last night were here in 2009. it did open up some old wounds, but also a lot of pride. pride in our military for the men and women who we are indebt to do, who serve this country. a lot of pride in our hospital facility and for the medical teams that cared for these patients because we drill for this. we are prepared for this kind of event. and so it's a very unfortunate tragic events. >> you certainly have been.r you talk about how you drill for an event like this. after the 2009 attack there, you must have thought to yourself, you know, the odds of this happening here again, lightning never strikes twice in the same place, and yet it did. >> absolutely correct. while we said that, we actually took our experience with exceptional and highly --

immediately met with local first responders, health care facilities in the region and most importantly, fort hood and began drilling for a very similar event to occur if it were to occur. >> and it did. >> obviously in a situation like that, you don't know how many people are coming in and at what rate and what their injuries are. i understand if this is correct, nine of the 16 patients, eight are currently with you now. is it true that seven are male patients and one is female? >> we have actually eight male and one female patient. >> so it's eight and one female. can you share with us how the female is doing? >> what i can share is that she remains critically ill. >> can you give us the nature of their injuries? >> what i can tell you, these were all single gunshot wounds to the neck, chest, abdomen and extremity. some superficial ranging up to

life-threatening. >> we know a lot of people were giving blood last time there was a shooting and it was a great benefit. are you calling for that today? >> we always call on our community to donate blood. that's a good thing for our community to do. but currently right now, the hospital is well resourced in terms of our blood product. >> all right. doctor, the chief medical officer there at scott and white where a number of the victims were taken yesterday with some good news. a number of them are being upgraded. thank you very much for being there. >> thank you, take care. 24 minutes before the top of the hour. some awkward explanations and pointed accusations for the first time publicly, mike morell faced a house intelligence committee and admitted he ignored key reports in the days after the benghazi terrorist attacks. elizabeth prann is live in washington, d.c. with the highlights. >> good morning.

rather than listening to c.i.a. chief of station, the top intelligence officer in libya who reported there were no protests, the form c.i.a. deputy, mike morell, told lawmakers at the time he did give more consideration to the assessments of intelligence analysts here in the states, saying the ground report was based on loose evidence. >> i would, if i'm looking for the c.i.a.'s judgment about what happened in a particular case, i would go to my analysts. >> not to people that were on the ground. >> reporter: the hearing also focused on the controversial talking points, susan rice rehearsed days after the attack. morell down played his role in editing those and denies any outside influence, specifically when it comes to the reason why he took out the word islamic out of the bullet points. >> you made significant, substantive changes for the white house, whether it was on behalf, we don't know. but we know you are the one who

made those changes. >> the last thing i wanted to do was to do anything to further inflame those passions. so that's why i took the word islamic out. it was a risk judgment. the second reason i took it out is because what other kind of extremists are there in libya? >> our own adam housley reports one operator watching the hearing told fox news he doesn't understand why he speculated during the hearing, saying, quote, he wouldn't have to speculate if he talked to the people in libya that night. elisabeth, steve, brian, back to you. >> elizabeth, thank you very much. >> i watched a lot of television yesterday. one thing that stood out, he said we had our talk points and went home. and one of the women who came in overnight said i looked at the talking points and i realized they reached the conclusion and changed them. what are you talking about? the cleaning lady came in? all of a sudden they had this

great analysis and someone just came in and overpowered them? it makes no sense. >> sure. they did edit out a word because it would inflame or offend is interesting, instead of just reporting what happened. >> what other kind of terrorists are there over there? well, leave it in there for people to know. why do the editing? >> and the main thing is again, c.i.a. operative -- i don't understand why you wouldn't go with an eyewitness account and why you would go with someone at langly's account. why go with the analyst and not stay with the -- with somebody who saw it? >> that's why it's so curious. >> it's now 20 minutes before the top of the hour. heather has some headlines. >> yep. other stuff to talk about this morning. a delta flight from atlanta coming to a stop in the grass at new york's jfk airport. the plane forced to make an emergency landing after its hydraulic system, which is pretty important, it controls the brakes, it wasn't working.

it skidded off the runway right into that grassy area, but none of the 118 passengers were injured. lucky folks. how do you stir up unrest in cuba? create a fake twitter account to undercut the communist regime. the associated press reporting that the u.s. government secretly masterminded the building of a cuban twitter, setting up front companies in spain and i cayman islands to hide the money trail, even recruiting ceos without telling them they would be working on a u.s. taxpayer-funded project. it lasted more than two years, drew tens of thousands of subscribers. and tensions reach new heights over the crisis in ukraine. nasa now cutting ties with the russian space agency. the jointly operated international space station is exempt from the new guidelines, but the move could impact some research projects. and nasa may be saying no go. but fifa refusing to ban russia

from the world cup. moscow is slated to host the tournament in 2018 and a pair of u.s. lawmakers, one of them kicked out, citing a rule that says a country can be suspended if they discriminate against another country. soccer officials say that rule only applies to the actual teams. not their host countries. and those are your headlines. >> you can hurt another country and host, but you just can't play. that makes a lot of sense. >> kicked out. >> right. i get it. kicked out. >> we need the russians if we want to go up into space because the president stopped the program. >> right. so we can't just sit on land and hold our breath. >> we could, but we just won't do it -- >> 20 minutes 'til the top of the hour. coming up, we are continuing to get the latest out of fort hood this morning. what the president had to say to the nation about it next.

welcome back. quick headlines. you are not welcome here. that's what the family of bunny melon told john edwards when he arrived at the funeral for the multi-millionaire. they wouldn't let him inside. you may recall the disgraced politician charmed melon into donating $700,000 for his presidential bid back in 2008. and british celebrity chef nigella lawson is apparently not welcome in america. she was turned away at the airport in london when she tried to board a flight to los angeles. reportedly because she admitted under oath to using cocaine. u.s. officials have denied visas to celebrities in the past over drug issues. >> wow. investigators are trying to figure out what caused a gunman to open fire inside fort hood

yesterday, leaving three people dead and over 15 wounded. casey stegall is live at fort hood in texas learning brands new details about the shooter, who he was and what may have caused him to go off. >> reporter: that's exactly right. i want to point out that we are at the main entrance to fort hood, the gate right back here behind me. you can see in the background a lot of the press is set up here because we anticipate that at some point this morning there is going to be a press conference with public affairs officials here at fort hood with another update for us. but that time has not been determined. we've been trying to reach out to them to nail that down. it is still unclear right now. also what is unclear, what the motive was, what on earth caused this man to open fire on his fellow soldiers yesterday. what we do know, however, is his identity, 34-year-old army specialist ivan lopez, who was a military truck driver. he had spent some time in iraq

on a tour of duty. he was just transferred here to fort hood back in february from another military installation and lived off post in an apartment with his wife and family. officials say he was wearing his uniform yesterday when he started shooting using a .45 caliber smith & wesson semiautomatic weapon that he had recently purchased here in this community. >> we do know that the soldier had behavioral mental health issues and was being treated for that. served four months in iraq in 2011. he was currently under diagnosis for ptsd, but had not yet been diagnosed. >> reporter: also taking medication, officials say, for anxiety and depression. the shooting happened yesterday around 4:00 p.m. local time. 16 people in all taken to area hospitals, all soldiers. at least three remain in critical condition this morning.

and president obama making this remark not long after the news broke. listen. >> we're heart broken that something like this might have happened again. i don't want to comment on the facts until i know exactly what has happened, but for now, i would just hope that everybody across the country is keeping the families and the community of fort hood in our thoughts and our prayers. >> reporter: no doubt yesterday's tragedy reopening wounds in this military community after nidal hasan carried out a mass shooting here on november 5, 2009. he was just sentenced to death for those crimes. listen to a victim from that day reacting to this news. staff sergeant sean manning, shot a half dozen times by hasan and he appeared on the kelly file last night. >> you don't think that somebody wearing a uniform is going to

open fire and try to kill you. you trust that other soldier, even after i had gotten shot and i had to play dead for a while to prevent hasan from essentially coming up and finishing me off. >> reporter: commanders here at fort hood, officials on the ground say they do not believe at this point that this is an ability of terrorism. the f.b.i. on the ground in texas is saying they do not believe it was religion in nature. but again, it's still very preliminary in this investigation. that's the latest, live from fort hood this morning, back to you guys. >> all right. thank you very much. that was a live report. still too early to figure out exactly why did he what he did. >> but i would not be surprised if we get a press conference before our show is out today. just two weeks ago, the government releasing a plan to combat insider attacks. obviously was that too little too late? peter johnson here to explain.

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programs and plans to implement that greater identification of threats, better database, better procedures. we found out in the navy yard shooting where no one in the navy was punished, no one in the department of defense was punished, that there were signs and symptoms that the navy had, that the defense contractor had, that they should have told about the shooter in that case, the mental illness problems, the arrests. we know now with regard to fort hood where nine army officials were christian sured or given letters where we knew about major hasan. so now the department of defense saying we need to do this better. are they doing it well enough? the issue becomes should military officers, should enlisted men, women have the right and the capacity to carry firearms? people who are trained as soldiers and airmen and naval officers, why can't they have

firearms and people like john lott, whose son, whose son was at fort hood last night says yeah. we should have that capacity. the federal law should be changed. >> okay. so it's a federal law, which means there are a lot of members of congress watching now, if they're looking at our military as sitting ducks, congress should change the law. >> congress could change this immediately. we've heard so much finger pointing and nothing done. you remember the president's folks in the pentagon characterized fort hood in the context of workplace violence. you talked about that earlier, as you also pointed out, if it was workplace violence and this is workplace violence, what steps have been taken in the almost five years to ensure that this kind of attack does not take place? so we had fort hood one. then we had the navy yard shooting that claimed a dozen or more lives, and now we have the

third act. but the second act at fort hood. two weeks ago the department of defense says we have a plan. why four years later? >> quick answer. should our men and women be armed? >> i don't think there is a question about it. they are trained soldiers, airmen, sailors. who better has the capacity -- if we're doing the right training and right threat analysis and make sure that mentally ill people don't have firearms, then absolutely, of course. could have stopped this. >> they're trained to protect us, but can't protect themselves. >> a problem. >> seems like it. peter johnson, thank you very much. it's now 4 minutes before the top of the hour. more breaking news. this is a live look after tornadoes hit the midwest and they've left a path of damage. we've got the very latest on where the storms are heading next. and what does bill clinton know about classified information on aliens?

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good morning. today is thursday, april 3. i'm elisabeth hasselbeck. it happened again, another deadly shooting rampage at fort hood. we are live at the texas base with what we know about the shooter and his motive for murder. the shooting opening old wounds from 2009. we're going to talk to a military wife who not only saw it play out the first time, she saw it play out yesterday, too. what went through her head the moment she heard the news? all right. and on a different note, bill clinton has a prediction about bill o'reilly and what would happen between the two of them if the world were about to end. mornings are better with friends.

welcome to "fox & friends," special edition today as we try to figure out exactly what happened yesterday at fort hood where we thought it would never happen again. >> right. we thought today was going to be about mike morell and his testimony in full view of everybody on capitol hill. we'll discuss a little of that. but first things first, another fort hood shooting about 4:15 yesterday afternoon. >> certainly sending chills through the spine of our nation. investigators now trying to figure out what caused a gunman to open fire inside fort hood, leaving three people dead. it's the second time that this happened in nearly five years. ainsley earhart live in fort hood, texas. when i got there late last night, you've been with us throughout the morning, what are the brand-new details about this shooter to the minute? >> reporter: well, first of all, it was dead here last night. there wasn't any traffic. you can see everyone now showing up to work here on the post behind me. it's a different story. but last night this place was on

lockdown and no one was coming in. no one going out. the suspect's name is ivan lopez, 34 years ole. he was married. he was a father, army specialist here. he drove a military truck here on the post. he was getting treatment for mental problems. we're hearing depression and anxiety. yesterday afternoon he killed three people and then turned the gun on himself. he was shooting with a .45 caliber smith and wesson. it was not registered here on the post, which it should have been if you want to carry any type of a weapon on to the post. investigators have are interviewing witnesses, including his wife to find out what was going on maybe the motive behind this. we're told she's cooperating. he was on the attack, wearing his fatigues. witnesses say he fired 20 round. listen to how it unfolded. >> it is believed that they walked in to one of the unit buildings, opened fire, got into a vehicle, fired from a vehicle,

got out of the vehicle, walked into another building, and opened fire again. >> reporter: then when he walked out of that building, he was in a park lot, came face-to-face with a female military police officer. he might have kept going if it weren't for this lady. now she's being hailed a hero this morning. she drew her gun and then he pulled out his gun and the whole thing was overment take a listen. >> he was approaching her at 20 feet. put his hands up, then reached under his jacket, pulled out the .9 mill and she pulled out her weapon and then she engaged and then he put the weapon to his head and he died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. >> all right. that was last night at a press conference. ainsley, they haven't had a press conference today, but did you speak with the public information officer. what did she have to say this morning? >> reporter: i did. she said it was very sad day and she lived here all of her life. she was here in 2009 and said here we go again.

listen to this. >> it says you right back to november 5, 2009. that was the day that felt a lot like yesterday. the results obviously were different and sad, just like yesterday's were. but we were just beginning to heal. we had just been through the hasan trial. that was in our community for many months. >> reporter: killeen has been great. they've been helping out here at the post, sending in firefighters, sending in police officers and also opened a temporary shelter for the folks who couldn't get back on the post who live here. she said they were just worried and concerned. but the good thing is, this day and age, they had cell phones, so they were texting with their loved ones, making sure they weren't in any danger. an update from the hospital, we heard that those that are in stable condition, that they are expected to be upgraded to fair condition later today. so that's great news as well. back to you. >> we could use good news. ainsley down at the front

entrance there of fort hood in texas. >> so who is the shooter? we know his name is ivan lopez. we know that he's 34 years old. we know that he had behavioral and mental health issues. however, no one is diagnosing definitely as ptsd. >> he was being treated for depression, so that would qualify. he served four months in iraq. he had just gotten to this particular base about four months ago. he had a self-reported traumatic brain injury and they were looking at whether or not he had ptsd, but he had not yet been diagnosed. he also was married twice and had children and police at this hour, we understand, are at his apartment sifting through his things. >> truck driver, we understand. >> his wife is being cooperative there. we actually -- bringing up the conversation again is should those on these bases be armed to protect themselves? should they not have the -- the dod has specifics when it comes

to who can carry weaponry. but here we have another situation where those without arms were left vulnerable in meeting their death. we spoke with staff sergeant alonzo lunsford earlier from 2009. he retired from the military as a result of being shot at by hasan in 2009 and he said there is one deterrent. it's a gun. >> right now in the military, we are over 150,000 mental health care professionals behind the power care where we need to be for the current fighting force. that's all components. and i don't want it to be where if you have a service member that has ptsd or tbi to look upon as if we're a threat. we need to give these veterans the help that they need and not put them on a waiting list. we are trained to be able to operate these weapons and make good decisions with the weapons. and as i stated before, guns don't kill people. people kill people.

but if you are allowed to carry the weapons on the base, that's a deterrent. >> the fear is everyone walking around arm f they're in a bad mood or something, they're going to shoot everybody up. however, isn't that why you go through basic training? isn't that what you do for a living? to me they would be the least likely. so until they allow these men and women to carry arms, they are actually sitting ducks if their ring of security is breached, especially by somebody on the inside. >> it just takes one person from the outside to get in, like yesterday -- i mean, he belonged there, but he had a gun. he purchased it, but he had not registered it with the command. i know the worry is that there could be an accidental discharge. this is a policy that was instituted during the bill clinton years where they said nobody can have guns. unfortunately, remember with the last time at fort hood, they said when it was clearly terrorism, allah akbar is what hasan said as he shot everybody.

the administration says that's workplace violence. now we fast forward, this is workplace violence, but nothing happened. gateway pundit said this this morning, the obama administration is responsible for this mass shooting. they witnessed this before. they didn't learn a thing. gun free zones are death zones. it is time to stand up to the lunacy. >> not to forget that just a couple of days ago, there was a warning that an attack could happen. >> that's right. >> on a military base. >> fort hood style. >> exactly. fort hood style. so that alone in the minds of many may have been reason enough to maybe extend some arms to those who might be sitting ducks as they were. piers morgan thinks that might not have made a difference. >> a lot of people think when you get up in the morning, what would piers morgan do and that's what i was thinking. let's look at his twitter account. he said if only there had been a good guy with a guy. such crap. this hash tag fort hood soldier shooter was a good guy until he turned bad with a gun. >> so the gun made him --

>> exactly! >> okay. but if there was somebody else with a gun right next to him, a total of four people might not be dead right now. >> right. one person with a gun stopped a man from killing other people. >> that's right. >> it's the same thing with the navy yard. i mean, yesterday i think it took 15 minutes, the guy went into one building, shot up the place, went out, got in his camry, drove around, was shooting as he was driving. got out of the car, went toward another building and finally was stopped by somebody with a gun and that is how that story ended. but the big question now, five years after fort hood, now are they going to do anything? are they going to change anything? peter johnson, jr. told us it's a federal law. will congress change anything? ball is in their court. >> sure is. >> heather childers, the ball is in your court 'cause you have other breaking news. >> maria has been talking about the severe weather and the possibility of that. we're going to show you this. we begin with a fox news alert. these are live pictures coming

to us from university city, missouri, for a possible tornado touched down. this is right outside of st. louis. trees are knocked down, laying across the road. many people living in this area say they heard tornado sirens ringing earlier this morning and then what sounded like a freight train -- we hear that a lot -- rolling through. so we'll continue to follow that for you. and while you were sleeping, people in chile jolted out of bed again as aftershocks rocked the coast. this 7.6 magnitude aftershock hitting that same area where a massive 8.2 quake left six people dead and an evacuation order was lifted around 2 a.m officials getting a better look at the damage this morning. but theyo far nothing too

serious. so that's good news for them. finally, you have to look at this. caught on camera, the amazing moment when a pilot in brazil landed a plane on only its back wheels. look closely here. the plane's nose never touches down in landing. that's because the front landing gear failed. when the pilot finally does lower the nose to the runway, fire crews spray the plane down just to be safe. thanks to the pilot's nerves of steel to say the least, no one on board that plane was injured. but as you were saying, don't know about that baggage. >> let's go over the plane news. one's missing. one is on the grass and one has no landing gear. who feels good in an airport these days? >> you just scared everybody. >> i'm just chronicling. >> that would explain why so many people have a bloody mary at 9:00 o'clock in the morning. they don't normally, but you know -- n by now back to your medication. >> i think i'll drive.

>> could yesterday's tragedy been avoided? our next guest says if employees were armed -- allowed to arm themselves, they may have been able to stop the shooter in his tracks. i'm talking about texas congressman chairman michael mccall will be here live. and bill clinton has a strange prediction about bill o'reilly and what would happen between the two of them if the world were about to end. that shouldop be good.

we are back with a fox news alert. officials now confirming the fort hood shooter was being treated for mental illness, but had not yet been diagnosed with ptsd. so what do we know this morning and what have learned? have learned anything over the past five years. chairman of the house homeland security committee, congressman michael mccaul joins us this morning. good morning, thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> so the big question is, could

this have been avoided for the second time? should military had arms on them, been able to carry weaponry throughout the day? your opinion? >> let me say first, this hits hard, it hits home. i was at the funeral ceremony at fort hood after major hasan killed 13 soldiers. so it's very tragic and in my heart -- my heart goes out to the victims and families. it does raise a lot of questions about the soft targets that our military installations are. i think we need to harden our military bases. they've been hit multiple times, not just fort hood, but all across the country, from terrorist attacks, we know al-qaeda would like to infiltrate military bases and we have had mental cases like i think what this case is of people that have ptsd issues that open fire and the fact is they are still soft. we need to harden our military bases so this can't happen

again. one possible way to do that is to allow our veterans and active duty military who are coming home to carry weapons. in the state of texas, you can get a concealed hand gun license and walk into the state capitol. yet in our military base, we're not allowing our trained combat active duty officers to carry weapons on base. i guarantee if they had the ability, they could have stopped this guy almost immediately. >> i think you're right, congressman. they protected all of us, yet they can't protect themselves at their workplace. i understand, you've got some information about the suspect's car we have not heard. >> yeah. i don't want to draw too much inference, but he did travel to mexico. there was one crossing in october, 2013, then another one as recent -- the reporting i got from our locals was in march 29.

we don't know what -- who was driving the vehicle, but it was his vehicle and why they were going into mexico. so that is something obviously investigators are looking at to see what was going on with that issue, why he was going to mexico. >> good point. >> we've heard that it's too early to call this terrorism. does that also mean it's too early and too soon to rule out terrorism? >> yeah. i think any time you just start an investigation, it's way to early to rule that out. i know they're still looking into that as a possibility. but i will say the fact it's being handled by the criminal investigative division within the department of defense at fort hood rather than the joint terrorism task force is significant and instructive that right now they're not seeing a terrorism link. they're treating it as a criminal case rather than a terrorist case. >> sure. so we know that the law on the books since the clinton days that keeps men and women from

carrying arms on our military bases, that's a federal law. guys like you in congress are going to have to change the law if that is the will of the people. what do you think? is there an appetite on capitol hill to do that? >> well, i do think this incident, whether someone has a mental illness or a terrorist on a base like we saw with major hasan, which by the way, the workplace violence narrative i completely disagree with. that was an act of terrorism. but it does highlight and demonstrate i think the policy makers maybe we need to take a second look at this law and look at changing it. so as you said, they're defenseless. these are people who either returned from combat who are trained to carry weapons and denied that very right when they're on our military base and are utterly defenseless as we saw in this case, but so many other cases across the country. >> they're just sitting ducks. we know it hits close to home for you, being from texas.

congressman mike mccaul. thanks so much. >> thanks for having me. >> our hearts with you there. so why did the former c.i.a. boss delete references to terrorism in a benghazi talking point? 'cause he didn't want to inflame passions? really? another example of how the white house is putting you in danger. and an internet search giant trying to take back the power of the internet from the federal government. what yahoo is doing to keep the nsa away.

23 minutes past the hour. some headlines for you now, how do you stir up unrest in cuba? create a fake twitter account to undercut the communist regime. the associated press reporting

the u.s. government secretly created a cuban twitter, setting up front companies in the cayman islands to hide the money trail. it lasted more than two years and drew tens of thousands of subscribers. yahoo stepping up security to protect its users from government spying and other prying eyes. the new security measures will encrypt all information sent from one data center to another. the technology aims to make e-mails and other digital information unreadable to outsideers. thanks. former c.i.a. boss mike morell defending his decision to readvise the benghazi talking points after four americans were killed. morell testifying before house lawmakers yesterday about why he deleted references to islamic extremism. >> also took out the islamic extremist.

>> i did not take out extremist. i took islamic because we were dealing with protests and demonstrations across much of the muslim world. and the last thing i wanted to do was to do anything to further inflame those passions. so that's why i took the word islamic out. >> good move or not? is this policy a good policy or could this be one of the negative things about the administration and their failure to identify the war on terror? with us right now, fox news terrorism analyst, walis ferris and the author of a new book which is excellent. do you understand his reasoning behind not putting islamic in? >> he was wrong. they are being badly advised. that is the entire administration and the proof of that is that in the arab world what, do they call the jihaddists in egypt, in kuwait, in saudi arabia? if the arabs themselves call

them islamists and extremists, why would we change the term? because if we don't identify this ideology, our analysts wouldn't be able to do their job. >> you have somebody talk about their rational on 9-11. in 2012, 9-11, when there is riots around benghazi, what was the reason for that? >> actually there were riots in other places, in benghazi, there was jihaddist operation against us. the issue is about why we were not alerted to the fact that this militia -- we partnered with them against gadhafi. why wouldn't we know this militia is targeting us? that's the issue. >> what about the fact that no one in this situation has been brought to justice? we have not killed anybody. we have not captured anybody. >> because the strategy of the administration is not to declare war against movements. and they don't want to retaliate against an organization so that we reenter the war in libya. >> you said the coming

revolution before the arab spring. you were right. now we have the lost spring. we missed our opportunity. let's go back to one of the things we decided to do. we put our money on this to horse, the iranian horse. first off, the latest news, the ambassador they've chosen to represent them in the united nations in new york city was one of the hostage takers. what's the message? n they feel comfortable. the iranian regime feels comfortable they are engaged by the administration. they felt comfortable since 2009 when two million iranians took to the streets -- >> we've forgot been that, didn't we? they were chanting president obama's name? >> they were directly talking to us. not so different from what happened in egypt. though there we asked mubarak to step down. >> people are saying we had our president call their president. it was a foreign relations. things should be getting better. you say in the middle east, they take that as weakness. >> of course, because we engage with them before they change. we need to see them having a

gorbachev, changing them. >> one of the biggest mistakes is embracing the muslim brotherhood, who we say there was an election, they won. what should we do? what's wrong with taking their side? >> mussolini was elected and hitler was elected. it's not about being elected. it's what you do when you're in government. what you get in egypt, revolution by the people, not a coup. 73 million people marched against the muslim brotherhood and we asked them to do the same. >> in your book you talk about how to get it back and maybe we could find another opportunity that we might have another chance when the earth rotates again. >> it's a season. >> right. congratulations on it. always great talking to you. thanks so much. >> thank you for having me. coming up straight ahead on our rundown, this video will make your jaw drop. you have a driver trying to beat a train. he has two kids in the car. and you heard author michael

lewis right here on "fox & friends" say the stock market is rigged. you're getting scammed. and he has proof. wait. charles gasparino w tell us something different. or does he? i can't wait.

>> we have an active shooter on fort hood. 33,000 block of 72nd street. we have multiple gunshot victim victims. be advised. they're saying the vehicle is a dark toyota camry and it was a unit, specialist that's active shooting. >> you are hearing the audio from the police scanner as a gunman opened fire inside fort hood, leaving three people dead. it's the second time this has happened in nearly five years. casey stegall is live on the scene in texas. casey, what are you learning about the injured? >> reporter: i have to say, i was here for the entire month of august covering the court-martial of major nidal hasan. during that court-martial, we heard an awful lot of that scanner traffic and 911 calls and you just cannot believe that

it has happened again on this texas military post. i'm just getting off the phone with a hospital spokesperson where the majority of the victims are being treated. it's scott and white memorial hospital over in temple, texas, which is about 30 miles or so to the east of us. it is a level 1 trauma center. they tell us that they're currently treating nine patients still. three remain critical. six listed in stable condition. all of them soldiers. some brought in still wearing their blood-soaked uniforms. many of these same trauma surgeons treating the victims of the 2009 fort hood shooting as well. deja vu. >> i think we all feel indebted to the men and women who serve our country and put themselves in harm's way. i think all of us here at scott and white, i know i can speak for everyone, feel invested in the community with the soldiers we have across the way at fort hood and i think that any time they hurt, we hurt.

>> reporter: officials say 34-year-old army specialist ivan lopez wearing his uniform, opened fire on this texas military post yesterday about 4:00 p.m. local time. eyewitnesses report hearing at least 20 gun shots. he hurt 16, killed three before turning the gun on himself. military leaders say lopez was recently transferred to fort hood. he had only been here since february and was living in an offpost apartment with his wife and family. we now know he was being treated for anxiety and depression and had a, quote, self-reported traumatic brain injury. >> we do know that this soldier had behavior health and mental health issues and being treated for that. served four months in iraq in 2011. currently under diagnosis for ptsd, but had not yet been diagnosed. >> reporter: lopez used a..45 caliber smith & wesson semiautomatic weapon that we are told he recently purchased here in this community.

again, this is raising an awful lot of questions. officials here at fort hood say that terrorism is not suspected, but they have not ruled it out as the investigation is still very early at this point. >> still early. casey stegall, thank you very much. meanwhile, we've got a fox news alert. labor department releasing brand-new weekly jobless numbers. 326,000 claims. charles gasparino has them. what's that say to you? >> it's higher than it should be. it's definitely higher than the estimate. there was some weather-related issues involving employment for the last month. so you have to really parce through names. this continues the same pattern. weak economy, weak recovery and it means janet yellen will keep printing money. might be good for the markets. the markets might go up on this. >> monthly number comes out tomorrow. >> yeah. 6.6, 6.7. these numbers are kind of

irrelevant in this sense that you really do have to look at how many people have dropped out of the labor force because like i said, when you have this weak of an economy, people drop out of the labor force. the unemployment rate could go down. look at that number and if that's where it is again, if that's where it is now, i will just tell you this, that means the fed will keep printing money and i don't care. you don't fight the fed if you're involved in the stock market. you might want to buy the market. >> i don't want to brag, but yesterday elisabeth booked michael lewis. >> did he come out? >> he came on. he wrote his book that's rocking up the charts and takes up your industry. >> not my industry. i've been taking these guys on for years. >> please don't interrupt me. this is my introduction. this is michael lewis yesterday and i'll have your response. >> all right. >> the market's been rigged in a very weird way, that the handful of people have been paid for access to the stock exchanges, so they're closer to the exchange with their trading machines. they get advance news of price

movement, able to trade faster than everybody else and essentially run in front of every order in the stock market. i think that we want a fair society where every dollar shares the same chance. the idea that well to do people sitting in the middle of the system are rigging it in their favor at the expense of basically the broad middle class is insane. >> he says it's rigged and the f.b.i. coincidentally, is looking into this. >> the "fox business" network was first to report that doj has been looking at this for a long time. i will say this, what -- i read most of the book. it's a fast read if you suspend this believe about 90% of what he said. what he's explaining was a third rate scandal five years ago. it is not a scandal now. >> why? >> here is why, if you want to buy 1,000 shares of e trade, no one is jumping in front of your trade. you can buy that easily. another thing is, if you buy a mutual fund, most mutual fund managers adapted to the system. here is another thing which he doesn't say, the notion of the

market, that's all changed. now there is 40 different markets. there is ways for alien versus predator, 'cause that's what this is, rich guys ripping off rich guys, to game that system through those markets, but that was created by the government. 90% of it's good. there are kinks. but what he's doing -- i like the guy. he's trying to sell a book! this is bologna! this is bs. if i could say what bs stands for, i would say this. this is such nonsense. >> bs, brian steve. >> right. >> when we do rigged, not rigged, we'll have to have you back to debate him. >> thanks. heather childers is standing by with some headlines for us. >> some other stuff we're talking about, amazing. delta flight coming to a stop in the grass at new york's jfk airport. the plane forced to make an emergency landing after its hydraulic system, which by the way, controls the brake, wasn't work. it skidded right off the runway into that grassy area.

none of the 118 passengers on board were hurt. and more absolutely unbelievable video. this is coming out of houston. the driver of an suv with two children inside tries to beat a train and then gets hit. miraculously, everyone survives, the adult and the two children. they were taken to the hospital. the driver being cited for running a red light and for going around the crossing gate. should not do that. and did you know one of the first things bill clinton did when he became president, he checked into the records on area 51. and he told jimmy kimmel, if aliens did attack, and he bill o'reilly would see eye to eye. listen. >> think of how all the differences among people on earth would seem small if we felt threatened by a space invader. that's the whole theory. >> that's right. >> everybody gets together and makes nice. >> you and bill o'reilly would be hiding in a bunker together.

>> bill o'reilly, every mean thing he said about me, look at that. i don't care. >> and there is a look at your headline. that would be interesting for sure. >> let's hope we don't come to the end of the world. >> yes. if we do see aliens, they're more like e.t. >> exactly. >> we can take them, is what you're saying. i hope they're little guys so we can beat up. >> next up, former congressman lieutenant colonel allen west spent two years at fort hood and is joining us live with his take on the tragedy. great to have you here.

military officials looking into possible motives for yesterday's massacre in fort hood in the afternoon.

you got the second shooting in five years that left four people dead and 16 others hurt. colonel allen west was stationed at fort hood and he joins us right now. colonel, first off, your reaction to what happened, why five years later are we still in this spot? >> i think we are still in this spot because we never put any type of corrective measures in place. we never changed the security protocols because everyone kind of wished the problem away. if you go back and you look at what happened at fort hood 4 1/2, five years ago and you looked at what happened at the washington navy yard, in both of those instances, there were civilian contract or even the dc police at the navy yard that shot the assailants. luckily this time you did have a female mp that was able to confront this individual. but we still have not corrected the problem on these military installations. >> it's a problem that not enough soldiers are armed? what's the solution practically? >> the solution that i would put forth, being a former commander, is not about everyone all of a

sudden being able to carry concealed. but you run a duty roster where you say certain members of the leadership being certain senior noncommissioned officers, certain officers, lieutenants and captains are able to carry and be in those certain critical vulnerable areas, like the barracks, like the motor pool, which is where this gentleman shot up a lot of the soldiers, which is where you keep your vehicles. that's how you correct it. you don't want to see everyone out there running around with a weapon. but you have to have some type of control in place. >> you have another observation and that is the fact that the fellow's name, ivan lopez, 34 years old, he just recently had been transferred to this particular facility. he probably had been at fort bliss in texas earlier. >> yes. >> you got a problem with moving these guys around if they're being observed for a problem. >> absolutely. that's another thing that's parallel to the nidal hasan case because we knew some of the things he was doing up there at walter reed army medical center. he was those la advertising, he was saying crazy stuff ask they moved him.

>> they moved him to fort hood. he should have been flagged. >> enroute to going back to war. >> absolutely. that should not have happened. in this case here, if you have a young man that had been quote, unquote, diagnosed, potentially having ptsd. he had submitted himself for evaluation, he should not have been transferred because that's a lot of stress, all of a sudden you have to go and move the family and everything. he should have been stabilized. >> do you feel as though in many ways, did the -- does the army feel as though they've been abandoned in the situation? what's the sense inside the military? >> i will tell you that a lot of soldiers feel that leadership -- and i'm not talking about there at fort hood, but up at the pentagon -- are not addressing this problem, not listening and not making sure that soldiers and others are protected on the installations. >> will this be enough to make the changes? >> without a doubt. without a doubt. with lightning striking twice in the same place, absolutely. >> his book is "guardian of the republic," it just came out this

week. it chronicles all the success you had had your career. thank you very much. >> always a pleasure. straight ahead, guns or no guns? the real issue is now an illness. a former navy seal sniper with what he says nobody is talking about. first we're going to check in with martha for what's coming up at the top of the hour. >> thanks. good morning. we will continue with this coverage because we're starting to learn more about sergeant ivan lopez. and we will also be learning more details about the victims in this second attack on fort hood. breaking news on that moments away. and the debate over how our soldiers can better defend themselves at home. lindsey graham is anxious to respond to mike morell's testimony on benghazi yesterday. bill and i will see you right here at the top of the hour.

we are back. the man identified by the military as the fort hood shooter, a soldier under evaluation for posttraumatic stress disorder after serving four months in iraq, investigators now taking a closer look at his mental state. >> but what about the main stream media? will they look at that or will they use this tragedy as another tool in the ongoing fight for antigun legislation? let's ask brandon webb, a former navy seal, sniper, head instructor and trained our finest ever sniper, chris kyle, who was taken out by somebody who evidently was suffering from ptsd. brandon, first off, your take on what took place at fort hood from what we know. >> first off, i think in most of these active shooter scenarios, 75% require law enforcement confrontation to end the situation.

so i think the military police woman who exhibited heroic action to confront this shooter and end the incident should be commended. but i was talking earlier with some folks about the situation where these active shooters in america, we've gotten really good at identifying these character traits and the law enforcement community led by the f.b.i. has really bumped up the situation awareness. but i think it really comes down to training -- better training for these mental health professionals to identify these early warning signs so we can potentially stop these incidents before they happen. >> i think that's the key is there are going to be a number of people who say look, this is another instance where a guy had a gun, he shouldn't have a gun. well, what happens if it is the instance where somebody suffering from a problem and he was being treated for depression, mental illness becomes the issue.

>> it really is the issue at hand here. the gun control folks out there like to rattle their sabers any time these types of incidents happen. but it really is about mental health and preventing these situations, better training for the mental health professionals. >> so brandon, this guy, ivan lopez, if everything is like it seems as of yesterday and today as this story comes out, he gets on the campus, fort hood campus, able to get a gun that he shouldn't have and everybody else is sitting ducks. what do you think we should change at fort hood to make sure you guys aren't targeted like this again? >> it's a tough situation. fort hood is one of the largest military installations in the world. there is plenty of firearms on base and they do have restrictions on posts about people carrying their personal firearms. so i think the rules are in place. the law enforcement officers on post are obviously well trained. they ended this incident

relatively quickly. i'm not sure. i think it's something that we're going to have to take a look at and see what we can do to improve the situation. but i think the law enforcement on post handled this situation very well. >> if you were on campus, would you like to have been able to have a gun with you? >> personally? yeah, absolutely. we have in america, guns are part of our cultural dna. they are out there and unfortunately, bad people have access to guns and people with mental health problems. so i don't think that should stop good law-abiding citizens from owning firearms or being able to carry them and to protect themselves. >> apparently yesterday this particular fellow with the gun didn't come across anybody else with a gun who ultimately stopped him for 15 minutes. so perhaps if more people had guns, then we wouldn't have the terrible loss we did today.

brandon webb, former navy seal and head instructor, thank you for joining us today from reno, nevada. >> you bet. thanks. more "fox & friends" in just a moment.

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tillis center. we'll see what happens. >> we're going to do the after the show show in about three seconds. have a good day. see you tomorrow. >> now one second. bill: there is shock and pain after another gunman goes on a shooting rampage at the fort hood army post killing three, injuring 16 before turning the gun on himself. i'm bill hemmer. martha: i'm martha maccallum. the sights and sounds of that tragic day eerily similar to 2007.