tillis center. we'll see what happens. >> we're going to do the after the show show in about three seconds. have a good day. see you tomorrow. >> now one second. bill: there is shock and pain after another gunman goes on a shooting rampage at the fort hood army post killing three, injuring 16 before turning the gun on himself. i'm bill hemmer. martha: i'm martha maccallum. the sights and sounds of that tragic day eerily similar to 2007.

he was an iraq war veteran who walked in and opened fire. >> he walked into the building and was engaged. bill: how is the post dealing with yet another tragedy there? >> reporter: the focus is on caring for the victims and their families and focus for investigators is trying to figure out a possible motive. as we learned from the base commander the short was an active duty soldier who just arrived at'hood. he was being treated for medical health issues, depression and

anxiety. he joined the puerto rican national guard in 1999. he did serve four months in iraq in 2011. he claimed a traumatic brain injury but was not wounded in action. while he may have claimed ptsd, he was not yet diagnosed with post traumatic stress. an had not registered his weapon on base as he was required by regulations to do. still no sign afterror connection. >> there is know indication this incident is related to terrorism. though we are not ruling anything out, the investigation continues. >> reporter: the shooter has a wife, she was home off base when she learned of the shooting. bill: what do we know about how

this played out? what are you able to piece together for us today? >> reporter: the investigators are focusing on the witnesses and the victims. anyone who spent time with lopez before the shooting. he opened fire at 4:00 at brigade headquarters. he left and went in his vehicle where he fired more shots. it was a female mp who engaged the shooter. he put his hands up, then reached for his weapon, she drew her weapon and that's when lopez apparently put his own gun to his own head and fired that weapon for the last time. there are three dead, 16 injured. including 9 at the local

hospital. three of those injured are in critical condition. you remember bill on november 5 of 2009 when nidal hasan killed 13 and wounded more than 30 others, it was also a female mp who engaged him. a couple of mps. hassan was wounded and pair lied from the waist down and he has been convicted and sentenced to death. bill: we'll come back to you with more. martha: the president was briefed on this at a democratic fundraiser last night. he says the situation opens you a wound that is not fully healed yet. >> obviously this opens the pain of what happened in fort hood five years ago. we know these families, we know

their incredible service 0 our country. -- service to our country. our thoughts and prayers are with our entire country. we will make sure the community of fort hood has what it need to deal with the current situation. we are heartbroken like this happened again. martha: the president referring to the shooting rampage back on november 5, 2009 when major nadal hassan stunned the because by killing 13 people. saying he to protect muslim insurgents they were fighting against abroad. he acted as his own attorney that turned into a spectacle of sorts and that jury found him guilty an was sentenced to death. he could become the first service member to be executed by

the military in more than 50 years. bill: this fort hood area is enormous. it's midway between austin and waco, texas. here describe this post as a small to medium size town. upward of 53,000 people at any given time that live on base. 300,000 acres of cover. as rick leventhal just described. the gunman started shooting and hopped in a car and drove down the road before he was confronted by a female officer. this is 100 yard on post. you can see from this image how big and how long these buildings stretch that cover the buildings down at fort hood. from five years ago he got a weapon on base and that is not

allowed. they have a police department on post and unless you have permission from your commander you cannot bring that weapon on post. it is a big, big, deal, it happened again. security, was not where it should have been. this is going to be examined, you can check every car in every bag that comes on this huge post or not. that's something we'll look at now. >> that combination of a gun that was there that should not have been. there is a lot to look at in this situation. fort hood has strict rules about carrying guns. soldiers are not armed when they are on post. soldiers are not only not allowed to carry concealed weapons, but if they have a state or county permit they are not allowed to bring those on post.

restrictions were expanded in the wake of the 2009 massacre. now there is questions about whether these restrictions make sense. are they working? we'll debate that in the next hour. it raises a lot of questions whether these people who defend our nation abroad should be able to defend themselves abroad. bill: a lot of' information you will learn the same time we learn it. we'll have that for you live from texas. in the meantime another big breaking news morning on this magnitude 7.6 aftershock rattling chile, sparking a new round of evacuations. the aftershock rocking the same area hit a day earlier by an 8.2 magnitude quake that killed 5 people. it sparked a tsunami warning. new pictures showing the fear of that moment yet again.

when it happens at night it's dawblly terrifying. the moment the power went out. william lajeunesse back on the story. this is a strong strong aftershock, william. >> 7.6 is a major quake in anyone's book causing not only the evacuation but the country's entire coastline which hit 2,500 miles stretches from new york to los angeles. the second break in 24 hours. but this one of closer to shore. just 14 miles, not 60 shaking buildings, causing residents to run outside. around 9:00 p.m. local time.

tsunami warnings canceled after 45 minutes. some waves reached 7 feet on the northern coast where the president was assessing damage. she quickly moved inland because of the possible tsunami. >> we all want to not have any more aftershocks and evacuations. but if necessary, people need to be repaired. >> reporter: 40,000 remain without power. 6 people died. northridge was 6.7, and this is bigger than that. bill: i know you are on high alert in california. experts have been worried for a long time about a big one shake that part of the world. >> reporter: chile sits on the ring of fire. building codes are similar to california.

haiti killed 230,000 people thanks to the strict building codes. chile reports no fatalities from last night's 7.6. >> we have been studying this area of northern chile and worried because it had big earth ghaicts past and hasn't seen the earthquakes on this particular portion in a long time. >> reporter: aftershocks continue this morning. hopefully nothing big. william lajeunesse, la on that again this morning. >> we have an active short on fort hood, we have multiple gunshot victims. martha: we are just starting to get a look at what was going on. investigations as to the motive. why did ivan lopez open fire?

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martha: new details moment after the shots began to ring out at fort hood. erie sound and the -- eerie sounds and the sirens began over the post. it forced a total lockdown at the post. the website started to read this quote. shelter in place immediately, this is not a test. a spokesman says ivan lopez killed 3 people and wounded 16 others, and in a moment that was dr. mat wick a female military police woman he turned the gun on himself. bill: officials say there is no suspicion of terrorism but they are not ruling anything out. three are dead, 16 injured.

frantic calls as it unfolded. this was part of that. >> we have multiple gunshot victims. be advised the vehicle was a dark toyota camry. it was a unit, a specialist that's actually active shooting. we have two victims with gunshot wounds. there i one walking around conscious and breathing. bill: i don't know what you are picking up there in washington, but the first thought must be with the families of the victims

and those who live and work around the postal fort hood, sir. >> this is a terrible tragedy. the fact that it happened at fort hood where the wounds are still so raw and the families have gone through so much. and now to have three more innocent people killed and the soldier who took his own life, it's a terrible tragedy. the personnel at the base, their families, relatives and friend. bill: ivan lopez, married twice, i believe, two children, he had been deployed to iraq during the drawdown process for that war. people have been talking about mental illness but we don't know for sure. from your perspective how have we done in addressing that? >> i don't think we have done

enough. i have been working on this issue. trying to set up funding so the private sector can become more involved, so we can have private organizations work with the military veterans when they come home. the suicide among veterans. hundreds of thousands of troops that come home have ptsd. i don't think they receive the equipment quickly enough and it's not sophisticated enough. there should be more research and money put into it. bill: overall i don't think people would disagree with that assessment. but we don't know what happened here. but we do know he brought his own gun on post and that's not allowed. what's your sense of security for the 50,000 who live and work

on that poster day? >> as far as terrorism we have improved it. we had major hasan in 2009 and in 2011 we did stop an attack at fort hood. he was stopped from carrying out an attack. as far as this type of violence and this type of attack carried out. i think we have to look into all issues of security. do we need more military police. tighter screening much the people coming on to the base. and it's tough to do on a base this large but that will have to be increased. bill: peter king, we'll see what change are made after this. good to have you back. martha: we'll get back to that in a moment. a new jobs number gives us a bit of a look at the economy.

does it provide hope for the millions of people still out of the work? stuart varney will be here to break that down for us. >> we'll have more reaction from witnesses living through the horror of fort hood and now doing this for a second time in five years. >> sometime it happens. >> it's scary. we just moved here a couple months ago. vo: once upon a time

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number comes out, surety varney joins me -- stuart varney joins me now. >> reporter: everybody was hoping for a retbhownd the jobless -- hoping for a rebound in the jobless numbers. the focus is shifting to the underlying employment situation and the numbers are grim. fewer people are working today than were working in 2007. 58% of all the new jobs we are creating pay less than $14 an hour and middle class buying power has shrunk by 6% since the year 2008. instead of focusing on today's number the focus is shifting to the longer term employment trend and that's grim. the absence of jobs is beginning to change the way america talks about itself. a recent pew study found far

fewer people identify themselves as middle class, fewer people think of themselves as lower class. people are starting to talk in terms of social class just like europe and that's an extraordinarily change. martha: it goes to this new issue of the new normal and how accepting people are of a lower class, lowered expectations. >> reporter: where i come from originally social class was everything. that's what people talked about. class was everything. that was not the case in america for the last decades. suddenly we are talking social class again. a divided society along class lines. give me for saying it but that sound to me very un-american. a guy like me with a voice like this has no right to say what's american and un-american.

but that's the way it strikes me. martha: we all come from somewhere. i hear you. bill: we are going to keep him around, though. a high threat of storms and tornadoes ahead of a severe weather outbreak. we'll look at who is in the storm system's past. it's early april and that's the high season. martha: the people of fort hood have been rocked by another tragic shooting. how could this happen to them again. >> i'm not aware of an argument at the wtu. there are reports there may have been an argument in some of the other areas. [ male announcer ] at his current pace,

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looking into the army's budget. that has changed significantly overnight. expect questions about fort hood. some they won't be able to answer because they won't want to prejudge this investigation. but fort hood takes on a whole new meaning to this hearing. texas senator ted cruz sits on this panel. we'll hear what he has to say hours after fort hood was attacked. bill: what will be the debate? >> reporter: what can be done to protect our war heroes when they are actually at home in war zones. michael mccaul says he supports allowing our troops to carry concealed weapons on military posts. our troops at fort hood are not able to carry a concealed weapon and he makes the case that

perhaps he could have stopped the incident earlier if there were concealed weapons on the bodies of our soldiers. there will be more said about what can be done to make sure fort hood specifically is never attacked again. bill: thank you. headlines back to you when they happen. martha: there is a lot of questions about the mental health of the gunman in yesterday's shooting. the army says the iraq war veteran was on medication for depression and being treated for anxiety. he was under evaluation to determine whether he was a vick firm of pts "d." t -- of ptsd. dr. bover thank you for being here. i want to start with this quick

sound bite pass all of this started to unfold. >> we do not know a motive. we know the soldier had behavior health and mental health issues and was being treated for that. martha: what do we know about this man and his condition? >> it's early in the investigation so we don't know if mr. lopez had ptsd. but what we do know is there is some association between ptsd and criminal behavior, especially when irrability and aggression are present. there are a lot of unknowns before it many something we'll have to take a look at. martha: a lot of people suffer with ptsd, some do, not a lot,

when they come back from the war zone. he was an iraq war veteran, he spent four months there in 2011. he was driving a truck. nothing about this situation would scream he had been in situations that would cause any of this. but we just don't know. so when you put all that into the mix, what concerns you about the way we are handling these issues back here at home? >> you know this is a complicated story. the ref lens of ptsd in our service members coming back from iraq and afghanistan is 10-30%, depending on the study you are looking at. but there are many factors that come into ptsd. growing up in a violent home or substance abuse. there are so many factors you have to look at it's hard to blame it on one thing. but obviously our men and women are dedicated to the task at

hand. in the va system looking at this type of treatment and rapid assessment. martha: do you think this is a condition that has grown over time or are we just diagnosing it more overtime? >> i think the rates of ptsd are probably consistent in the general population. but in the military, given the things they are exposed to, there is probably an increase. martha: this question comes up again and again, there is fingers pointed at the limit in terms of water in doing or not doing to help these soldiers and help these veterans when they come back. when they are struggle about these things. what do you recommend? >> for me the most important thing is destigmatizing mental illness. the problem is that attitude is pervasive in the military. a lot of soldiers are not willing to come forward and admit they have mental illness

because they will be stigma tightsed and it may affect their career. until we deep stigmatize mental illness and we are going continue to have these problems, they will continue to come forward. martha: he just moved to this post in february of this year. a similar situation had taken place with major nidal hasan. is there any detriment to moving somebody who is already on medication and experiencing mental difficulties. >> people with mental illness have more trouble with life transitions and change but it's difficult to tell until we have more information. martha: more to learn on this but also it's a red flag in terms of something that needs to get more attention. thanks, doctor. bill: a check of the markets. we are moving higher, 18 points.

but the jobs number for the week is out as we mentioned. up about 16,000 from the previous week. tomorrow is the big number. the monthly jobs report will come out so we'll keep an eye on the markets. in the meantime the former acting chief of the cia grilled on benghazi, asked directly by law makers whether he issued bogus talking points on the terrorist attack. we'll talk to the uncle of sean smith, one of the four americans killed on that deadly night of terror. >> we have people running around who killed americans who are sipping maitais and we can't do anything about it. i don't think we should let it go. and for the memory of those heroes and everyone else in the cia. @e@8ñúñ÷@@@0@ú

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shooting at fort hood.three patl conditions at scott and white hospital. all the others are considered to be stable. >> we have a wide variety of injuries ranging from gunshot wound. martha: we haven't heard how the victims other hospitals are doing. we'll bring you updates as soon as we get them. in all 16 people wounded in this rampage. bill: families of the victims in benghazi reacting to the hearings on benghazi. mike morell * defending his actions. morell denying allegations that he or the agency bowed to political pressure to change the

white house's talking points. here is one ex change between the chair mike roarnlings and morell. >> with all of our training and experience and gut reaction did you believe that was the right decision? >> i believed what my analysts said that there was a protest. i also believed it to be a terrorist attack. we never saw those two things as mutually exclusive. i believed both of those at the same time. bill: one of the americans killed was sean smith. his uncle is with me out of charlotte, north carolina. thank you for coming back and talking with us. you watched the entire hearing yesterday. what did you take away from it? >> i thought in essence mr. morell threw the analysts under the bus which was cowardly but that's to be expected.

i wasn't told until this point that the cia was so concerned about the sensitivity of the state department. come on. you know. the conversation got moved forward a bit. but i'm still not very satisfied. bill: the questions about the talking points were numerous. at one point he said, just top characterize and paraphrase his words. he says he took out the refns to extreme d the reference to extremists because we were dealing with protests. and he did not want to inflame those tensions. what did you think when you heard that. >> i thought that was like basically yet another excuse, bill. you know, it's just like i think really to a large degree, the promotion of the anti-islammic video by president obama and

hillary clinton actually brought the video into greater focus and created more protests. before this came out, the video was barely seen. it was like a blip in the screen. bill: the other thing morell talked about was the whole idea of classified sources being revealed. he said he did not know the classified sources on the ground said there were no protests. about 3 hours 45 minutes he talked about the classified sources. but he did not want to give away sources and methods. but you can understand about intelligence on ander topic like this. but what did you think of that rationale? >> that fell short. especially since his own chief

of station in tripoli was saying this was not as of september 15 of 2012, this is not a protest. it was emphatic. the problem i had with the whole concept of the talking points, blaming the video and blaming protests is okay, that's great within a few days. maybe we were misinformed and we need more information. but for two weeks afterward this was the litany between susan rice who was in he sense a taxpayer paid liar. hillary clinton and our own president who basically leads with a cult of personality as opposed to a practice of principle and real subject and tough policy. so that's great for a couple days after the attack, bill. but for two weeks afterward, no, i'm sorry. i don't buy it. bill: i can understand where you are coming from, the emotions

are raw for you and others. sue and rice a liar? >> yes. without a shadow of a doubt. come on. the thing about it, here we are a few months ago, what did she say, it's a false controversy. come on. i'm just really offended by these people. i think any american with any heart and mind should be offended by these people. they are delusional and amateuristic at best. bill: a wrote a piece with the five questions you want answered thursday. we'll see in time if you will get those answers. we have breaking news, sir. martha: we are getting reaction on fort hood. let's listen in. >> if i may, mr. chairman, i would like to take a brief opportunity to say to the fort hood community and to the army

family this is a time once again to come together, to stand as one. as they have so many times before, drawing strength from each other. as this committee know so well, the past 13 years have been fraught with much loss, with much pain, with much suaving. but through it all men and women of the united states army, the civilians who support them have come through the storm together. and i know as we have in the past will come out the other side of this tempest poorer for the losses but stronger through our resolve. mr. chairman, i can take a moment now to give you the updates that you requested and then defer to the chief for the purpose of the statement if you would like. based on our discussions with lieutenant general mark milly

and subsequent conversation i had with 10-45 with the secretary of defense. due to the facts as we understand it. but thing are changing even at this moment. the specialists, the alleged shooter joined the army in june of 2008 when he fir enlisted in the army he was an infan trip soldier. -- he was an infantry soldier. he transferred his mos to truck driver. we are tracking at the moment that he did have two deployments, including one four-month deployment to iraq. as a truck driver. his record show no wound, no involvement -- direct involvement in combat. as general milly said no record of purple heart or any injury that might lead to us further

investigate a battle-related tbi or such. he was undergoing a variety of treatment and diagnoses for mental health conditions ranging from depression to anxiety to some sleep disturbance. he was prescribed a number of drugs to address those including am bian. he was seen just last month by psychiatrists. he was fully examined. as of this morning we had no indication on the record of that examination, that there was any sign of likely violence either to himself or others. so the plan forward was to just continue to monitor and to treat him as deemed appropriate. but the alleged weapon, the .45

caliber that the soldier recently purchased. he lived off post. we try to do everything we can to encourage soldiers to register their personal weapons, even when they live off post. we are not legally able to compel them to register weapons when they are reside off post. but the minute that soldier brought that weapon on to the post it was not registered and it was under our rules and regs being utilized obviously illegally and with not proper clearance or full knowledge by the command. he is married. his wife was being questioned last i was informed last evening. they are natives to puerto rico. the background checks we have done thus far show no involvement with extremist organizations of any kind. but as general milly said to me last evening, and i know the chief and i fully support, we

are not making any assumptions by that. we are going to keep an open mind and open investigation and we'll go where the facts lead us. and possible extremist involvement is still being looked at very, very carefully. he had a clean record in terms of his behavioral -- no outstanding bad marks for any kinds of major misbehaviors that we are aware of. so you know the conditions of those who were involved in the incident. there were three victims who have tragically lost their lives. the other killed in across in that moment was the shooter. he took his own life when confronted by a military police officer, female. 16 others wound. 3 that were considered critical. the other varying severity but

considers by and large stable. but we are obviously going to inspire they get the best of care because we want to insure absolutely no bad thing comes out of this more than already has. that is pretty much what we know at this moment. >> thank you very much, secretary. >> if it's appropriate i'll yield to the chief. >> general? >> if i could just add a few comments. first, once again, we talk a lot in the army that we have an army family and we lost young people who are part of our army family and we take that incredibly serious. this hits close to home. i spent a lot of time at fort hood personally. i was a division commander and corps commander at fort hood.

i understand the resilience of the people at fort hood. i would just say that i believe that some of the procedures that have been put in place following the incident 4 1/2 years ago did help us yesterday. alert procedures that were in place, the response, the training that has gone into the response forces that responded i think contributed to making this something that could have bench much worse. so we'll continue to monitor the force of the army and the resource of the army will be behind fort hood. we are confident in the leadership of mark milly who has many of you know has just returns from afghanistan as the commander of the corps over there and is a very experiences commander. we'll continue to support them.

the on thing i would add to the facts the secretary provided. this what is pane experienced soldier d this was an experienced soldier. he spent 9 years in the puerto rico national guard before coming on duty. he's an experienced soldier. he had a one-year deployment to the sinai with the nationality guard and a 4-month deployment in iraq the last four months of 2011. august to december, 2011. we'll continue to investigate and as we do that, we'll provide information to all. there is great interagency cooperation. the fbi provided significant assistance as well as the state of the texas and the veterans affairs as the secretary pointed out. we'll continue to work this -- we have an incredibly talented

resilient army. we'll move forward but we are also reach out to our family, the families of the victims of this tragedy. if you want me to continue while continue with my statement. >> that would be appropriate to give your posture statement. >> thank you so much for allowing me to speak with you this morning. i want to thank you, chairman for your 36 years of service and all you have done for us as the chairman of this committee. and your bipartisan leadership in always supporting our soldiers and families and also holding us accountable for doing what's' right. martha: clearly they have statement to make about what happened yesterday at fort hood. we learned some new details from the secretary of the arm which

why general mchugh. lopez was on on treatment for anxiety and he saw a psychiatrist as early as this week and the decision was made to continue to monitor him. we'll take a quick break. ♪ ♪ no two people have the same financial goals.

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>> he spent four months in iraq, but not in a combat role, but the 34-year-old was a military truck driver. the u.s. army said he was on medicine for anxiwhoety and depression. he had a self-reported injury. listening to the chilling sequence of events as they unfolded. >> it is believed he walked into a unit building, opened fire, got into a vehicle, fired from a vehicle, got out of the vehicle, into another vehicle, opened

fire and was engaged by local law enforcement here at ford hood. >> reporter: we know that is when we pulled the weapon out of his jacket and put it to his head and took his own life. the big question this morning still is why. >> we did get an update on the victims and we know we will get mo mo more. what do we know the now? >> 16 were taken to the hospital and some so badly hurt they had today airlifted to the nearest level one trauma center. some in critical condition as we speak. some of the doctors were on duty back in 2009 and they tended to the victims of that shooting

spree. so it brought back painful memories. here we were four and a half years ago standing here covering a similar situation >> chuck hagel was in hawaii when he got the news. he said it shows something isn't working at the military basis. >> we don't have the facts. when we get them, we will address them. we don't have a choice but to address what happened. we have to ensure the safety of the men and women who work on the bases. that is not a question. it isn't matter of too tough. >> the secretary saying more

needs to be done to identify and prevent insider threats >> yesterday's shooting was a reminder for the victims in 2009 with nadal hasan. he walked in in 2009 and that shooting that day. here is a look at the 13 victims. our next guest is one of the people who was injured. he remembers that day in painful details. tank thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> your story is incredible. i want to play for you, what it sound like, i know you heard this when the 911 calls started at fort hood yesterday and get

your reaction. >> we have multiple gunshot victims and people escaping through windows. they are saying the vehicle is a dark toyota camery and it is a specialist that is active shooting. one of the platoon sergeants was shot. two victims with gun shot wounds. one walking around conscious and breathing. shot on the upper side rib cage. the active shooter is building >> what knows true your mind hearing that? >> it is chilling. that was the same thing on november 5th, 2009. the question that is going through my mind and what should we do, not what can we do, the

miscreate this from happening again. and not just in terms of the military, but everyone as a nation, it is going to have to be a team effort. and all last night and today, you know, i was thinking, and i said if there is not terrorist ties with the soldier that did the shooting and if he has ptsd we have to understand we are not dangerous, what we need to do is put forth more of an effort to get help for these service members. some progress has been made, but not enough progress and directly after our shooting there was a lot of people in the powers that be that said they were going to

do a lot of things to help the ill, injured and wounded. i feel it sounded good at the time, but having lived through this, enough hasn't been done >> you think there is a stigma and people don't feel comfortable coming forward to talk about ptsd. >> yes. and i would like to share myself as an example. i am six foot nine and 350 pounds. if i were to share with someone i have ptsd and they will say no you don't. or if they see me smiling they think i am playing a game. or the other side is i am afraid of this guy freaking out.

but it isn't a matter of freaking out. we have seen trauma and it will not go away. but there are organizations out there that will work with the military and the va but three ne -- they need to be -- recognized. k9 for warriors has really helped me. i have a service dog and that helps give balance. >> great program. what about the gun program? a lot of talk about whether people should protect themselves at home. >> i feel we should protect ourselves with a weapon at home. the weapon isn't it doing the harm. it is the person with the weapon but we with trained to operate the weapon, to engage

with the weapon, and you have to look at this on individual bases. you cannot say all people can have access with ptsd but you have to look at how and why or the five whys. and you to look at the root cause of the problem. a lot of time they are asking for help, give it to them without putting them on a wait list or giving them medicine that has them walking around like zombies. >> thank you very much, sir. i know this had to be hard. >> after going through that and listening to it from yesterday -- mentioned there is questions about military bases

and policies that prevent people from carrying a weapon on a military post. mike mccall. >> i think we need to revisit this policy and see if we should arm them so they could protect themselv themselves. >> and fear a lockdown on a university campus where gunfire rings out at kent state. >> and a new action by a major ruling by the supreme court striking down strict limits on election spending. >> enable more citizens to be involved and con tributes to america. this is good for america and a great decision. c

a lot of focus on fort hood and this was happening at kent

state in ohio where someone fired a shot outside a building and students received text messages alerting them about what was happening. >> the first message said there was a shooter on campus and stay safe and take shelter. the second one had the descripti description. >> the suspect was arrested off campus later in the night. when you go back to 1970 four students were killed there in a vietnam protest. another big question in the wake of another deadly fort hood shooting is rather soldiers should be allowed to carrying weapons on the base and whether that would have stopped the

bloodshed of three people dead. we are waiting to learn their identitys still. mike mccall believes they should be allowed to carry their own firearms >> i believe if you are trained for combat you you caugought to carry weapon. al qaeda is targeting our military basis and if they are trained to carry weapons in warfare it seems there is logic to carry them on a military base where they can defend themselves. >> tucker carlson and chris is here with us. good morning to you both. you heard chairman mike mccall.

he believes it is time to let the soldiers do the same thing here at home. >> there is going to be upset when people who operate tankeritanks are not allowed to carry side arms. as one veteran told us here in the washington bureau, there is no shelter in place in afghanistan. you can shoot back but at fort hood you cannot. >> we have heard the story throughout the week and people were curious there was a connection in the fort hood shooting about someone who is on the loose and wants to pull off a fort hood like incident for jihad, tucker. >> it is always unwise to draw

prescription from events and tragic events like this. of course, troops can be welcome to carry weapons. but too little is being paid attention to why this is happening. there is a net increase of crazy people on the streets. why is that? part of the reason might have to do with medication and maybe some with the way we t the mentally ill. a small percentage of people with mental ill with dangerous and it might be responsible to treat them as irrationale actors. >> i agree. there was a time we had many institutions and many were a mess and now we are in a result

where everybody is medicated and walking around and maybe that is not the right prescription in some cases. chris, what do you think? >> whatever happens with mental health there is broad agreement that the system is broken but there is not the political will to fix it such as the issue of firearms. many believe less guns and some say more guns is the answer. some saying if more people were armed less fatalities and others say the whole country should be without a gun. this is pointing to the frustration the people that favor easier access to firearms for peaceful citizens . >> what stopathizes -- stops -- the shooter is someone with a

gun. so if someone was harmed, it is possible someone's life would have been saved. >> this man stopped shooting after seeing an armed person and turned the gun on himself. it instantly ended it. i am pro-second amendment, but on the other hand you ought to give the military latitude to set their own policies and the congress is quick to jump in and say you need that changed and maybe there are reasons they are banned. i would like to hear from base commanders view of this before hearing from congress. >> that is a great point. >> the white house touting the new health care numbers.

we don't know who is paying but there is data on that. and we will go behind the numbers. >> plus this -- >> you made significant changes for the white house. whether it was on behalf we don't know. >> you will see the changes i made were consistent with what the analyst believed at the time. >> really hot in there. former acting cia director michael morell facing tough questions on the benghazi attack and we'll hear from a senator who has been deeply involved into the investigation. stick around for that.

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>> the president asked the states to allow them to continue the policies but states like

california refused >> if you look at the seven million and save off 20% who haven't paid you have 5.5 million and that is roughly the number in the individual market with policies canceled >> and 20% are failing to make their first payment meaning they are not officially enrolled. >> the administration thought to minimum the importance of 14 million but considers 7 million a triumph. >> that is a much smaller group as the part the white house described as a slither. >> this program is going to ensure about 2% of the total folks who live in the united states. >> now some of those canceled

were forced into obamacare adding to the numbers though they were not previously uninsured and the president has urged states to extend policies for three years. but analyst note saying it is hard to say 5% isn't a big deal but 2% in a triumph. yesterday's sirens warning fort hood residents a shooter was the loose. >> seek shelter immediately. >> take shelter immediately. those stirring words rang out yesterday. >> and supreme court court weighing in on campaign laws for individual american and mow that could change the face of the

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all right. we want to get you up to speed on what we know here as we wait for another briefing for the latest information on the victims as we learn more about the deadly rampage that unfolded yesterday. three people are in critical condition after the gunman opened fire. he killed three, wounded 16, and took his own life as he was facing gunfire from a female

military police officer at the post at fort hood. i am joined by captain nash. a rough day for fort hood and the members of the military and families and for everyone. >> it is. indeed. we keep seeing these things occur and every time it does people shake their heads and say we have to do something and then another comes along. it continues to show that people who are bound and determined to do something and are not in their right minds can do pretty bad things. >> moments ago in a senate armed service committee we heard comments from the secretary of the army, john mccue; let's listen to some of that. >> any time we loose lose a

soldier we mourn. when it comes at the hand of another soldier and indeed the place that suffered so much pain just four and a half years ago, it only adds to the sorrow. our thoughts and prayers, but more importantly our actions and effort will be with the family sdmrchlt >> a lot of talk about ptsd, how we take care of these people and the medications are being talked about. what do you think about that? >> three studies have been published. it started from the national instew -- institute and health -- started collecting

data and 1-4 soldiers to the army is suffering from depression, ptsd or anxiety. the long-term deployment has taken a toll. and they will be nagging and clinging to people for a long period of time. we will be dealing with issues going forward. just like we load the kids up with 80 pounds worth of gear and they have all of these joint disorders and back issues well there are going to be other issues playing out as well. >> take care of everybody here. captain nash, thank you very much. >> you bet. so the supreme court now

striking down some of the rules that limit how much individuals can give candidates party. democrats say it is a win for the wealthy. it was said quote they intrude without being able to exercise the most fundamental activities. steven is here and monica as well. hello to both of you. i would imagine there is disagreement on this at the table. robert says free speech. >> it is. and the supreme court is chipping away at the watergate limits and they are repeatedly held one that says money is speech and political free speech and should be protected in the

the first amendment. it cost a billion dollars to run for president now. there is no such much money, particularly on the democratic side, which is my i find this so rich. through the unions primary but other people who donate massive amounts of money. so this upset you are hearing from there left is a little ironic. >> so you think this helps democrats. does it, steven? >> it hurts democracy. the republicans have complaint of money coming in through there koch brothers and democrats are laying playing field but when david koch is a de facto

president that is a bad thing for democracy. >> steven brier said citizen united together and the federal election commission's decision eviscerates the nation's campaign finance laws dealing with the grave problems that these laws were intended to provide. is this an unfair playing field for some? >> it left limits on particular candidates and parties. >> meaning you could take a billion and give it to a lot of people but only that much to each one. >> right. a $1000 to each or whatever it is. they took the aggrivate cap off

saying you can spread is around wherever you want and that is you exercising your right toport whichev whi whi whichever candidate you support. >> the american people hate this. they want to see caps on the donations. >> what should the caps be? >> new york has a public financing law that stricts caps on spending and it worked this year. but i would say one other thing and that is the tea party should be the most upset because they are founded on we the people

represent. and now it is 5-10 control. >> monica, the tea party is about freedom which is what this is about. the first presidential candidate to blow through the spending caps was president obama when he decided to forgo public financing. >> bush did to first. >> nope, obama. very busy news day. what is next? >> a secret u.s. program to undermine the government in havana and new details on the cuban version of twitter. interesting story. >> and this -- >> a took it out because we were dealing with protest and demonstrations across much of the muslim world as a result of the video. and the last thing i wanted to

do was to do anything to further inflame those passions >> that is the former cia actor director explaining why he took out the word islamic in the talking points. senator lindsay graham is here and michael morell 's explanation next.

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this is intriguing. a report on a cuban version of twitter created by the u.s. government. the u.s. government set up a communication network a social network, designed to undermine the communist government. >> it is true every agency of the u.s. government, including unclassified programs, want to protect details. but this was far beyond. we were told we could not be told in broad terms what was

happening because quote people will die. >> #hash huvana. wow. stunning new revelations into who changed the benghazi talking points and removed the mention of terrorism which turned out to be the facts when they were detailing the actions. here is michael morell explaining why certain terms were taken out. >> i took out the word islamic in front of extremist because we were dealing with protest and demonstrations across much of the muslim world as a result of the video, and the last thing i wanted to do was to do anything

to further inflame those passions. >> how does mentioning al qaeda disclose classified sources? >> i was told the only way we knew that was through classified sources >> i am joined by lindsay graham who has been deeply involved in this investigation and he is on the senate armed service committee. good to have you. that was one of the most interesting parts that al qaeda was removed because it was classified and the reference to islamic. it seems to me when you know what happened on the ground they were essential to the intelligence that was gathered. >> the original talking points

got it right. by the time michael morell got through with the document al qaeda was deleted, extremist stood without islamic and a demonstration was mentioned and there is no evidence from people on the ground who lived through the attack there was no protest. the big deal is the orange original talking points were altered to create a story of what happened in benghazi that supported the president seven weeks before an election. for us to believe that michael morell relied on an analyst that was beneficial to the whoit

house on accident is an insault. >> the a lot of people were upset about the way rice presented the story and she went up to the hill to explain what happened and michael morell came with her. you had an interesting exchange about who changed the talking points and here is what he said about that. >> and they called the fbi and the fbi protested very vigorously. >> so no body from the fbi ever called me to complain. i didn't wait until i heard the fbi was upset to correct the record. i corrected the record the second i found out. >> he told you the fbi changed the talking points? >> susan rise asked to meet with

us. she invited michael morell and his job was to convince her story was the best evidence available. we know that is not the best evidence available that was a manufactured story. i asked him point blank if he knew who changed the talking point and he said he believes the fbi took them out. ea he said the fbi deleted the references to al qaeda because they didn't want to compromise the information. and mccain asked why you didn't call the german people on the

15th-17th. and he said they tried to call and they would not give them the information. i contacted the fbi. and they denied they said it should be taken out and for the them to stop that. he should have said i was involved in changing the talking points and here is why. but he never said that. he took us down al qaeda road and misled us. this is a guy if ythat if you d ask the right question, he is going to mislead you. he sat in the house intel community where director of security clapper said i don't know who changed the talking

point, we don't know. michael morell was sitting there and he never uttered a word saying sir, i changed some of the talking points. >> thank you so much. we have to stop here. >> we are learning more about the shooter in texas and who he was, what he was there for and any indication of violence. there is going to be a briefing from the hospital in 40 minutes and we will have that for you live. fist more from the shooting at fort hood as it unfolded. >> we have an active shooter on fort hood. multiple shovictims and people escaping through windows.

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>> fox news alert now. the secretary of the army said

the shooter at fort hood was examined a month ago and no violent or suicidal tendency were found. he was prescribed ambian to deal with a sleeping issues. it was 6 peop.m. eastern time w it came in. >> we are just getting word of a shooting at fort hood in texas. >> we have an active shooter on fort hood and multiple victims and people escaping through windows. >> there is an alert that has been put out to shelter in place and alarms going off. >> we don't know how many people are involved. >> fort hood is still locked down. we are getting facts. >> senior sources are telling

her that this is a soldier on soldier confrontation. >> 15 minutes first responders from the military police and emergency services responded to the scene and the shooter is dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. >> the shooting took place outside the first medical burr gade. >> it is believed he walked into a unit building, opened fire, got into a vehicle, fired from a vehicle, got out of the vehicle, walked into another building, and opened fire again. >> we have been treating gun shot wonds in the extremities, abdomen, chest and neck. >> he was a shooter speciallist. >> it is hard to accept a soldier doing this.

>> there is no indication this incident is relate today terrorterro terrorism. >> we are heartbroken something like this happened again. i would hope everybody in the country is keeping the families and community of fort hood in their thoughts and prayers. >> indeed we are. the hospital briefs in 35 minutes and we will have it life in temple, texas when that happens >> stay with us for the latest, the reactions and the updates that are coming on the wounded and more on the identity of the shooter. we'll be right back.

>> we mentioned the injured, we'll have that briefing in 30 minutes. this is what we're learning from the scott and while temple hospital, nine patients treated, six in stable condition, three in critical condition. so we'll see if that changes in the coming 30 minutes or so. >> a lot to learn.

we will see i later. coming up next is happening now which gets started right now. >> we start off with a fox news alert at fort hood. hello, everybody. >> the scene at that texas army post too familiar after a man opens fire on base killing three, wounding 16 others and the rampage coming to an end when military police confronted him and turned the gun on himself. it is all happening at a base still on edge, nearly five years after a mass shooting left 13 people dead there. this time, officials say a gunman was a soldier who served in iraq. right now there is no indication of any link to terrorism. >> we do not know a motive but we know that this soldier had behavior health and mental health issues. it is believed that he walked into one of the unit buildings, opened fire and