to scare us. >> news reporting they are enemies of the state. >> it looks like a great peace and fascinating and scary. thanks for joining us. fox news alert. the military shedingly more light behind the soldier in the deadly fort hood rampage. this is hq and i am bill hemmer. >> and i am sandra smith. the shooting at the base where a soldier murdered 13 people five years ago. >> reporter: we are learning more about the shooter but not the possible motive here. his name was ivan lopez and a native of puerto rico and joined the puerto rico national guard and did two overseas tours

in the army first in egypt and then iraq of the last four months of the iraq war. he was a truck driver there and had no wounds and no direct involvement in combat. since arriving here in fort hood, he's been treated for a variety of mental health issues and depression and described a number of drugs including ambian. he was sewn by a psychiatrist who found no likelihood of violence. he bought his 45 handgun off post but never registered for permission to bring it on the post and that's what he did yesterday afternoon and supering the medical brigade and opening four and left that building and fired from his vehicle and went inside of the transportation battalion head quarter ares and

later corner ared outside by a female mp and she said lopez held up his hands and he raised the gun to his head and killed himself. and all of his victims were fellow army. three innocent soldiers killed and 16 others with a range of injuries and throw of them critical in the hospital. >> these people are critically ill and being able to address complex emotional respops attacks time. i have not visited with any of the service dht men. many of them came become and had combat experience. a short time ago, i spoke with the mayor in kileen, texas. and he talked about the men and women who are dealing with

a tragedy for the second time here at home. >> these young men and women who serve us, are loved by our community just as much as if they were our kids. we grieve when they are wounded and killed. we are so proud to have them in our community. >> reporter: really challenging and difficult times for kileen and fort hod. we expect an update on the general who is expected to spoke in three hours from now. >> rick, it does some what feel the information was slow to come out of fort hood. we had a new's conference and perhaps more is going on than what we are seeing now. >> reporter: absolutely. there is a lot of the thing they have to do.

and the general came out and gave detailed information about the shooter and what they knew about him. and what the base was doing at this time. the focus was on the families and the victims and trying to attack care of their needs and right now, that's what they are doing. in fact, the general will brief family members and military and community leaders before he would brief the press. >> rick, live from fort hood, texas. thank you. >> all of this is a painful reminder of the attack in november 5, 2009. army major madill hasap opened fire and killed 13 and injuries dozens and saying he did it to protect muslim insurgents overseas. the military jury found him guilty of pre-meditated murder and sentenced to death. if that happens, he would be the

first service member to be executed by the military in 50 years. my next guest represents the fort hood community in congress. this is congressman williams. our best to you and all of the members that you serve in your community back home in texas. >> thank you, we appreciate it. >> i know you are heading home after the interview. do you have a better understanding as to motive in this shooting? >> i think we understand that this young man had a lot of personal problems. and you know, just with his coming back from service and the issues he had, it just a -- appeared to be more than he could handle. the main issue is the young men and women fighting for liberty of our country are in the

hospital and some lost their lives. our prayers need to go out to the families and fort hood. >> fort hod is a small medium size town and upwards of 50,000 americans who are on postor moving on and off post every day. and since the events of november 2009, fort hod has taken on a different meaning not only for the people in texas, buttar all americans. give us a sense of how that day changed there. >> it changed drattically and it is the largest military base in the united states. and when this happen and found out about it yesterday, it took us back five years ago and the tragedy that happen then and the problem we have in texas and fort hood and community in the country, we are dealing with the fact that this administration still calls it work place violence as opposed to terrorist

act. that is an issue we are trying to resolve in the congress so young men and women can realize the benefits and get purple hearts and it brought back a lot of scars. >> we'll talk to one of those members in the state of washington. security is a big deal. hassan got a weapon on the post and you are not supposed to do. that and in most cases you are unarmed on the postin fort hood. this man, age 34 broke that security line. we heard that often time they just wave cars in the various large gates around fort hood. something must change and it hasn't. how much concern does that give you today? >> i think it is a concern for everybody. and even general mili who is doing a fantastic. and i can't challenge the

security of fort hod. but we need to have dialogue why will those soldiers who come back from serving us overseas, why should they disarm on the base? that is dilog we have to have among us now. if they had their guns possibly this would not have happen and those who were killed may not have been culled. >> safe travels and give our best to everyone in your community. >> and we are learning more about the soldiers stationed in fort hood. 85 percent of those have served in iraq or afghanistan. and most will have served twice by the time the war winds down in afghanistan. soldiers in fort hood are not supposed to be armed on post and raising the question of how do we make our military bases

safer. general jack king is a retired four star general. thank you for joining us on this crucial day as we look at safety measures in basesa across the united states. congressman william said the security is tight following the 2009 shootings and you find yourself asking how it could happen again? >> it is as sieveelian communities. most acts of violence with mass shootings involved we find that someone has mental problems and hasan's problems are tragic to be sure. but he was in a different category. and the fact of the matter, think of a military base more loc a secure gated community. and the fact of the matter is, on the military base. they feel more secower there than outside of the base.

children walked openly and everybody obeys the spode limit and there is low incident of kroum. much, much lower than what you have in most civilian communities. and so people feel safe there. military police are having a presence around the barracks and neighborhoods. and everybody who lives there knows it is secower. and we have to learn from this incident of what is his motivation. we can speculate but don't know yet. >> there are renewed calls to lift the restrictions on the servicemen and women to not be able to carry weapons, private weapons on these bases. where do you fall as far as

whether or not service members should be able to hold and carry on the base. i don't think soldiers should be armed on the base. i think if your viewers think through that. that you arm 50 this happened soldiers so they can defend themselves if someone tries to shoot at them. can you imagine the first responders coming on the scene and people are shooting and they have to determine who is friend and foe? i think the potential for leading to more violence by arms everybody is significant. the soldiers know how to defend themselves and they are not policemen or trained to control a violent situation and deescalate it. it is a knee jerk reaction. i understand that. and then the weapons themselves. i think they have a right to have firearms just like our

people do in the united states. and i don't think they should be denied that right. they are hooked up and if you reside in a family house you are entitled to have that weapon. i would not want to deny a weapon when people outside of the base have a right to have one. >> they have to register that weapon and it is stored inap arm's room. and in addition to the added security measure. adding an insider attack and strengthening toys to local law enforcement. general is there anything that the military and united states can do to make military bases safer? >> they are safe and the number of incidents is small. and that's number one.

number two, is most of this when these mass shootings happen in civilian communities, it is not about the weapon. it is really about the individual. and how do we identify a person who is having behavial characteristics that lead to violence. this soldier is evolved for pts. there is no correlation between the soldiers with pts and misconduct and violence to others. this is none. they don't commit it great are that the general population does. >> thank you for sharing your insight. >> we'll speak to a victim from the last shooting. a soldier who was shot by one of his own. shaun manning is 38 and how the victims will deal with the shock of another rampage there.

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hood. the shooter bought a gun from the same store where nadal hasan purchased a gun that he used in november 2009. no indication that the gun dealer did anything wrong under texas law. we are told that that gun store owner is it in the process of being cleared. if there are any health issues, they would not have caused denial of purchase at that shop. it is kileen, texas. and we'll have that live nows conference from the post here on fox. until then. >> and up to 20 percent of the customers using the obama insurance carriers has not paid yet. steve moore is chief economist from the herretage foundation.

the blue cross blue shield, the blues said 85 percent of the people who selected a plan haven't paid the premium. what does it say for obama care here. >> it is bad news. you may sign up for obama carry on the website. but if you are not paying the premiums, you are not covered. it is that simple and buying a airplane ticket and showing up on the counter. they will not let you on the plane. that will be the problem for doctor appoints. and if you haven't paid the premium, you are not covered by the insurance plan. and the numbers that they are talking about earlier this week. and guess what, one out of six are not insured because they did not pay up. >> is there a chance. you have a lot of health care analyst suggesting that the payment rate could improve later

in the enrollment window. should we give it a shot and perhaps the 15 or 20 percent of the folks, maybe that number will improve? >> yeah, let's hope so. i think what is more likely is that people have to keep paying the monthly premiums and we are finding, sandra, so far this year, bad news that premiums are going up around the country and that mean its is more expensive for the premiums and i would be willing to say we will see a decline and not an increase. and that means we turn out with a situation of 1 and 4 are paying the premiums over times and that causes a problem. the shrps company will drop those people. >> stove, payment 80 or 85 percent. and it is estimated if it remains that. that trapsalates in 5- 6 million

people covered under obama carry. and what would we do if the number turns out to be closer to that. >> and what will happen, that is 6 million more people than before obama care. and here's the problem with that line on monday. the problem is that we know that there is more than 5 or 6 million people who lost the health insurance because of obama care and there were reports on fox. that number could multiply as more employers drop the health care plans. and you could have a ratio of 2 or 3 people losing the health insurance. i don't like the odds and i am not that good at math. more are losing than getting it. >> by the way, steve, i think i won the bet the last time you were on here.

and you assumed i took. it and wasn't it something that whether or not the white house would get to the 7 million number. >> the whole point is that they haven't gotten that. and they are not at 7 million. >> and i think it was more like a million dollars. >> and that is what it was. >> and see you stephen. and so the white house with a loud megaphone with the 7 million number and it did not come cheap. how hard was a sell was it. >> and a tornado touching down in the midwest. more could be on the way. and fort hood reeling after tragedy strikes again. and survivors relieving that pain. >> what the guest has to say to the victims, five years later?

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for killing 13 and wounding more than 30. and the wounded living the same nightmare, and one of them is with me now. restiered sergeant shaun manning shot six times that day and that day was four and half years ago. shaun, we meet four years ago and how are you doing, good to so you. >> the nows yesterday was a bit of a shock and my heart goes out to the people killed and injured and their families. i know how difficult this is for them. >> i bet. you know, shaun, i could see clearly you were still struggling and i have seen you on television several times in the past two years and you keep getting better and it is great to see, but that struggle you had, reminded me of what the doctors were talking about at fort hood about the victims and what they are about to experience.

and you in a sense will be a counsellor to them and help them move forward. i mean, what do they have ahead of them in terms of their own personal challenge? >> the first few months after this. i mean, it is so overwhelming and you are still in shock and denial and trying to figure out how and why it happen. and you know, then after that, it wears off and you are stuck with the reality of you know, your physical injuries and emotional injuries and the media attention dies down and then it gets hard. >> you will never be over. it but do you think you reached a point where shaun manning can say, i am better now? >> i think i am better.

obviously it goes up and down and it is a constant struggle and something i thought about and i try to not let it dominate my life. and that can become so much a party of you. and it dominates every aspect of your life and that's not what you want to happen. >> you can't let it beat you. >> you are getting ready to destroy at afghanistan. you were not in texas 36 hours when you were hit by hasan's bullets six different times. and you know that he took that weapon and snuck it on base on the post and just like the gunman did yesterday afternoon. and we are going to have a debate of security in fort hood. what is your view of that and what we have learned? >> i mean, obviously i don't

know what the security is like on fort hood and it is like that there. there is a certain amount of inherent trust and where someone in uniform would do something like this. you know, i mean, part of me wants to say that soldier should have the right to defend themselves. i don't know that the rules prohibiting the weapons on post because these keep happening. part of me thinks that the soldier should keep weapons and like a terrorist attack where the soldiers were targeted. >> that debate will continue and i am certain you are aware of that. what does tomorrow hold for you, shaun? more challenges, i guess. this is not something that i

hoped would happen gaep or expected or thought would happen again. and you know, i am obviously it brings up emotions in me and reliving the experiences that i went through and i know the other shooting victims in 2009 experienced the same thing. and we have a lot of guilt and remorse for those shot. and i know what they are going to go through. i wouldn't wish that on anybody, so. >> shaun, thank you for sharing your story yet again. my best to you and your family in the state of washington, shaun manning, thanks. new reaction to the white house touting the obama care enrollment numbers and this is after president obama said this

two days ago. >> we didn't have billions of dollars of commercials like some critics did. but advertising the law did not come cheaply and analyst found that the administration was prepared to send 700 million. and we have chris, i will start with you first. did president obama make a hard sell and spinning 700 million on this. >> his logic because he didn't spend a billion it was not a hard sale. from the moment he rammed in congress he run it like a political campaign. running ads on tv and have been trying to make signing up hip.

and you watch the ads they put on. it is absurdity. and the argument of spending more money than apple spent and advertising that walmart spent and that is not a hard sell? would it be a better argument than iphone or store? i don't think so. >> chris, looking back at all of the things that president obama appeared on the show between two ferns, and they did a mocking impression of what is going on with obama care. and bro insurance campaign and a hard sale for the people seeing the numbers and campaigns. >> if you have nothing else to critize obama care about. you critize how much in terms of signing up. >> and it is amusing, republicans said it was a disaster and mess and obviously problems with the roll out and sitting there and sen

million people signing up. and 3 million people on the parent's plan and 5 million on medicaid. we all can admit have the health care was a serious problem. we spent money trying to encourage people to sign up. >> and critics will say despite the sen hundred million and taxpayer dollars going to every state to push the health care law. we still to don't have the numbers to rough that the right demographibs soying up it is a dafter disaster and a mess. you need 40 percent to be young and healthy. and at best a quarter are.

we had a report how many people are paying and making the premiums and what about the rest of us. health care and doctors that we lose that plan. it is no longer a disaster and myth, is absurdity. >> chris is the administration and president obama celebrating to son here? >> i don't think it is celebrating or not. i think that here's the problem that i think for republicans. they blocked themselves innie corner and now they are on the defensive and argument that 7 million people signing up is a negative. and problems with the law that needs to be fixed and that is fine as well. but you have to have an alternative. they can smoke up stuff and crit otherwise. but not a single one comes up

with a viable fix. you cannot exploit or attack an idea with nothing. >> we have to leave it there. two chrises, thank you for joining us. >> csquared >> i see a segment. >> and major aftershocks rolthsing one couple after a quake struck. when will it be safe to go back home? >> it is right across there. and that is a bullet casing found underneath my truck. >> details about the gunman's mental health and renowing the debate of if our military is doing enough to get the help they need. >> we have multiple gun shot

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test. test. if the suddenlyiers could have carried weapons on fort hood could this tragedy be averted. plus, nasa cutting ties with mas cow over crimea. we have relied to russia to get us to space over years. and true git today. amazing story of the navy seal. and still chases after the bad guys. join us live in the top of the hour. >> and officials say the gunman was undergoing treatment for psychiatric issues ranging from depression. dr. keith ablow is here.

thank you for being here. the secretary of the army gave interesting information a bit earlier today and said the gentlemen was employed, the a cowed gunman i should say, was deployed in iraq four months and driving a truck and appears no record of suffering wounds. so as a doctor and tike tryst how do you evaluate whether or not this person was distrushed,a, and disturbed from deployment, or possibly week before he was sent overseas. >> and what you do, bill, is a comprehensive history and what is interesting, this man is in treatment for depression and anxiety and ptsb. what were the symptoms and the vulnerabilities and was there head trauma and any factor that

happen in military training. certainly people come in the armed forces with vulnerabilities and disorders. and they are not getting the kind of care they need. and that's where we are seeing the events unfold. people are not asking the next question to ferret out if they have aggressive impulses. >> that is a broad statement. >> it is. >> we don't know what attention or treatment this alleged killer received. >> we don't know that. but i would be interested to find out. the result we do know and we are hearing that james holmes is the man who shot up the movie theater. they are people in treatment. and there will be fact- finding

and the bottom line what i do know as a psychiatrist we have abandoned the we have abandoned the intention to provide such people with comprehensive services. if it was the case this man was expressing some aggressive impulses, getting him hospitalized in a locked psychiatric unit for any period of time would still be tremendously difficult. all of the weight and motivation is to keep people from using psychiatric services. we've gone way too far and hobbled the system. >> showed no signs of violence. i'm sure you've seen that yourself. saw a psychiatrist a month ago, gotta run, 15 seconds or left -- >> i haven't seen a lot of cases, bill. knocking on wood, 20 years in the business, i've had nobody hurt anybody else.

you know why, i'm careful. i'm not afraid to argue with er physicians who won't put my people in the hospital. that's why there haven't been bad events so far. >> thank you. we'll talk to you again. sand are. >> shaking in chile not over yet. when will it stop?

strong aftershocks continue to rattle chile's coast after the earthquake. william la jeunesse continues to follow. >> california's last two big quakes, san francisco, 6.9, much less powerful. the point is, this is the second strong quake in chile in 24 hours that had residents running for their lives, shaking

buildings, causing landslides, prompting not only the evacuation of chill earthquake's president assessing damage but the entire coastline that is as long as u.s. is wide. waves seven feet on the northern coast. wednesday's aftershock, second large dot on the graphic, that hit at 7:00 last night. this one not as strong as 8.2 that hit on tuesday but much closer to shore and the aftershock was 20 miles deep not 40 miles. what does that mean? it means people felt remarkable similar between the two. brighter color, heavier shake. on the left 8.2. intensity was the same. miraculously, no one reported fatalities in the aftershock. >> translator: many people walking. many sitting near the hospital calmly leaving. i think that's good people had a

significant response by the call by authorities to evacuate preventi preventively. >> chile sits in arc of volcanoes and faults, ring of fire, if you will. building codes are like california. you have very few fatalities compared to haiti, 280,000 in a similar sized quake. hopefully no more aftershocks, sandra, and they can get through this thing without any more death. back to you. >> thank you, william. there will be more information on the killer in ft. hood as we get the latest updates on some of the victims from texas. germany years ago ma

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hugs to every person that gives blood. she's paying back a favor they did her family granting her mother-in-law her dying wish. that was to see her son, a soldier serving in germany, for one last time. >> great story to end this hour, bill, thank you. thanks for watching, everyone. >> you got it. see you tomorrow. here is gretchen. fox news alert for you today as we get new details now about the gunman in the latest ft. hood massacre and where he got his weapon. hi, everyone, i'm gretchen carlson. welcome to "the real story." new stories arising how another deadly shooting could happen at the same installation where people were gunned down. an iraq veteran, mental health, no known ties to terror groups. he turned the semiautomatic pistol on himself. it's a weapon he got