stacy dash is going to join us in the after the show show. log on right now. >> and tomorrow i'm going to have bill o'reilly will be here live. >> legalese, what millenials need to know. >> we'll see you back here tomorrow. say good morning and on "america's newsroom." i am bill hemmer. >> good morning. i am martha maccallum. the suspect is reportedly in custody now. and we are just learning the victims range from 14-60 years old. laura ingle is on this. what do we know?

>> we are hearing the stabbings and slashings happened inmultiple classrooms as well. the spokes person talks moments ago: >> 20 students have been injured and four have been flown by medical helicopter. there is a wide range of hospitals treating the patients. the actor is in custody and being questioned. school was in session and students were arriving for the morning classes. this happened in numerous classrooms and the hallways. >> it took place at franklin regional high school about 17.5 miles from pittsburgh. the school notified the parents through the website saying all elementary schools are canceled and middle and high school

students are secure. please keep our campus clear of traffic. forbes regional hospital has eight patients ranging from 50-60 is what they told us. >> and laura how big is the scho schools? >> there is a high school, middle school and elementary school so it is quite large. i don't have the exact numbers >> we will keep up with that. this might be the moment of truth in the irs trial. a house committee is set to vote on criminal charges are lois lerner and the former employee is said to be stone walling the investigation by pleading the fifth repeatedly so today possibly referral to the justice

department. tomorrow possible contempt charges in congress. chris is morning. is this the moment? if so, what happens? >> congress is almost certain, the house is, to hold her in contempt because she is refusing to testify. as we saw them do with eric holder, they have the ability to say you in contempt of this body and not meeting your obligations to us as this legislative chamb chamber. and then the criminal charges come up and that comes to eric holder where we have the long-stalled internal investigation inside the obama administration into the wrang

wrongdoing of officials by the justice department so the republicans are not super optimistic they will get much satisfaction there. >> you wonder who has the authority. if you give it to holder who knows where it goes. you saw they are treading water out there. if you go to immunity would that move the ball were republicans? >> there is that. and there are many republicans that i have talked to that say the time is now to cut a deal. if there is no credible threat of anything, there is little confidence they can apply pressure to lerner and others involved in the targeting of the president's enemy, how do doioy

get the lever? >> the republicans have been chasing for a while and we will see if there is a payoff or if it goes off into the esther. it is congress getting closer to getting questions from lois lerner. we have talk to a congress member and ask his opinion on the movement on this. >> you heard them saying what is next and what comes of this. what do you think at home? at the office? on our mobile device. talk to us on twitter throughout the morning here. this fox news alert from south africa. the bladerunner is on the stand today. court was adjourned after oscar

pistorius was too upset yesterday reenacting the last moments. >> i wasn't sure if someone was going to come and point a gun in my window. so i stay where i was. i heard a noise from inside the toilet that i perceived to be someone coming out of the toilet. before i knew it i fired four shots at the door. my ears were ringing and i could i could not hear anything so i kept shouting for reeva steenkamp to phone the police. >> today he said he felt helpless and she died in his arms as he and a neighbor waited for the paramedics.

>> before i put her down, i said we need to get her dressed. and they said put her down the ambulance is on its way. and then i just sat there and waited for the ambulance to arri arrive. i felt hopeless. i wanted to take her to the hospital. i had my fingers in her mouth to try to help her breathe. i had my hand on her hip trying to stop the bleeding >> dramatic in that courtroom. during the cross-examineing they showed pictures of her body and demanded he at admit to killing her and he said i did.

the plane has been missing for a month and the batteries in the box expire after 30 days. but search crews saying they are locating more signals calling it quote a most promising lead saying it will be several days before they can varify anything. >> i am not optimistic we will find the aircraft or what is left of the aircraft in the not too distant future . >> peter deucey picks up the coverage. why is this different? >> the thipings are not on top each other. they went from two pings to four and they want more. crews will keep trying to put pings on the match of the search

area until they are 100% sure the black box batteries are dead and there is zero chance a new signal or lead is heard. >> the biggest concern is time because there is a finite amount of time they will be transmitting and we are trying to maximize the use of the toad pinger to detect while we can. >> the was talk they already ran out of batteries since there were three days of quite under water. now officials are optimistic the batteries have a little juice >> let's hope. especially for the search. one time they get getting signals from a ship itself on the ship. how sure are they it is this

plane? >> they cannot see with the auto mated sub and that is the next step. >> hopefully with lots of transmissions we will have a tight, small area and hopefully in a matter of days we will be able to find something on the bottom that might confirm this is the last resting place of flight mh370. >> the audio equipment used into the hunt for flight mh370 so far has been working slowly but the remote controlled sub is even slower so they are working quickly to take as much of the guess work out. >> thank you, peter deucey. we are watching the breaking details from pittsburgh in the stabbing in a high school. we will get you those moments away. but first, this story we brought

you first yesterday, tipping over cars and throwing rocks, just another day on a college campus. the festival that got way out of control. >> boston setting one year in the bombings and the house homeland security committee releases its finding on the attack and response and what warning signs were missed in boston. >> and republicans grilling eric holder about the many scandals they say are being ignored. jason fits was live there and he is here live. >> i realize contempt isn't a big deal with our attorney general but it is important we have proper oversight. >> you don't want to go there. >> i don't want to go there? >> i don't want to go there? ow? tomorrow. quick look at the weather. boston bombing frank franklin rl

high school franklin regional high school meurrysville west more lawestmoreland >> all right. we have more on this breaking news from murrysville, pennsylvania. where this morning, as students

were arriving for the day, a student who is now in custody, ran through the halls and started stabbing people. you can see the parents running to the school. 20 students were injured by this stabber. four have been airlifted. murrysville, pennsylvania is 17 miles from pittsburgh. there is a look at the map on the right hand side of the screen. 7:13 a.m. is when the call went out for help. a girl pulled the fire alarm to evacuate the building as this stabbing rampage was underway as the students filled in to school in murrysville. in the meantime, eric holder facing tough questions on

everything and one of the heated arguments was related to the gun scheme called fast and furious. >> sir, i have read what your department promised. it is not adequate and i realize contempt isn't a big delta the attorney general but it is important we have oversight. >> you don't want to go there. >> you don't want to go there? about the contempt? >> you should not assume that is not a big deal for me. >> we are normally known my our fruits and there is no indication it was. >> this was about the gun lobby -- >> we have been trying to get to the bottom of fast and furious where people died and at least a couple hundred mexicans died and we cannot get the information to get to the bottom of that so i don't need lectures from you about contempt. >> and i don't need lex lectures

from you. >> asparagus, gentlemen. >> that is a funny comment they started making a year ago. we have our guest here to talk with us. how are you? >> doing great. >> this thing covered a lot of ground. i don't know if you learned anything. did you? >> this is part of the american way. you have the attorney general and representatives grilling ho him. most of the questions about about the discretion he exercises and everybody was asking questions about how much discretion he uses. all we ask is that the law be equally enforced. that is all we want. and the attorney general has issues with that.

>> what happens consistently is that a number of investigations were brought up and one was being talked about that a lot of people on the national don't talk about with the fast and furious. which of these active investigation have reached conclusion in the last five and a half years? >> that is what is fusterating i asked him about looking into general putrays and it has been two years since they started the investigation and this administration has this dangling over their head and at the same time we are trying get to the bottom of other serious things. >> you and others are accusing the attorney general of not doing his job. why did you believe that is the case? is he running out the clock? >> you have to look at each one accept separately.

people looked at the immigration law and the marijuana laws where he is taking a instant not enforcing the law. in the united states they are not optional. when you have a president that says i have a pen and we will by-pass the congress. >> i don't have an answer to why. why is this the case? >> this is their political agenda. i don't think we got great answers on why he doesn't am force the law >> we found a clip of the president talking about the irs matter and vowing to get to the bottom of it but it continues. there is a lot of action in the house and we will stay in touch with you. we have breaking news and need to run. all right. let's head back to murrysville, pennsylvania where we are covering breaking news as a

student on his way or her way into school this morning went on a stabbing rampage. there are four students according to the latest reports who are in critical condition and have been airlifted to a local hospital. this was 17 miles from pittsburgh. we see the scene again of parents running as fast as they can toward a school to find out how their children are. we will have more on this and will brianing brink you the details as we get them. brink you the details as we get them. brink you the details as we get them. get them.

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>> back to this breaking news. a male student according to the latest reports is now in dust custody. this morning this student began

running through the hall stabbing people. four students injured between the age of 14-17. this school district has 3700 students in the school. this crime was centered in the high school. they moved students to the middle school for safety. one girl in the middle of this pulled the fire evacuation alarm and may have prevented others from being injured. four have been airlifted and the others have a variety of wounds some the result of stabbing and some not. this is franklin regional high school that we are talking about in murrysville, pennsylvania. and this started to unfold as this male student came into the halls this morning with some kind of very vicious act to grind it would appear. we are waiting for more

information. this has become an all too familiar scene with ambulances surrounding a high school in the early morning hours. parents were told to keep at a distance. of course they could not do that. they had to run and get as close as they could and try to find their children and make sure they are safe. as you take a look at this unfolding you have to ask yourself a lot of questions about what on earth compelled this student to carry out this vicious attack. >> especially when you consider where this is. 3600 students, 7:15 in the morning and you have a knife now wielded by a student who injured up to 20. it isn't clear how many were injured by the knife or scrape and cuts according to the associated press report in the

mayhem that ensued. the concern for the four students seriously injured. we don't know how long it took for the medics to take care of th them. we were alerted an hour and 15 minutes into it and you wonder how long it took for the first responders to get there and the kids to get the help they needed. it some cases it might be life-saving. >> there was a report that a 911 call went out at 7:20 as school began this morning. this is a crazy scene. a girl pulled a fire alarm to get attention to that scene at her school. it is very large high school and system. 3600 kids in attendance there. but this morning was a day like no other as a disgruntled male

student showed up with something other than studying on his mind. a knife in his hand and four in critical condition. more on this is straight ahead. >> laura ingle is working the story from new york. in the mean time, more on the breaking news and you will see it and see this: it has been close to a year since the deadly boston bombings and what has been done to prevent the possibility of yet another attack in another american city? we will talk to the homeland security committee chair mike mccall. he is live and trying to figure out the answers as well. >> before the boston bombing were you aware that based on this russian intelligence the fbi opened an investigation? >> we were not aware of that.

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serious. at least one person is being treated. four very serious. you had asked me earlier how large this high school is. 1229 students attend this high school. there are other schools, middle school and elementary. those schools have been cleared for the day. as we have showed you video of worried parents showing up. we have been listening to some of the parents who have arrived looking for their students. all of them very concerned and trying to find out where their children are at this point. a lot of the kids have been ushered out to the football field. bill: watching the breaking news for us. back in a moment with you. martha: a busy day on capitol hill. house homeland security hearing about to get underway digging into if the boston marathon bombing could have been prevented.

we are now nearly one year into the aftermath of the day the terrorists planted two bombs at the boston marathon. [screaming] martha: complete shock at the finish line that day in boston. those bombings just seconds apart turn to the beautiful, sunny day into one of sheer horror. three people were killed at that finish line. one of them, little eight-year-old martin richard. more than 260 others continue. many of them trying to get over the injuries and lost limbs from that horrific day. now there are new questions about whether federal officials should have warned local boston police about what they knew about these two suspects or at least the older brother. here is boston police chief a year ago right after the bombing

testifying about what he knew and what he didn't know. >> before the bombing, were you aware of based on the intelligence that the fbi opened an investigation into him? >> we were not aware of that. >> would you have liked to have known about that? >> yes? >> before the bombing, were you aware he traveled to the check region? >> no, we were not. >> again, would have liked to have known that? >> yes. martha: quite a moment for that hearing and another hearing will be held this morning. michael mccall is the chairman of the house homeland security, he has put an enormous amount of time and effort and understanding into this case and he joins me now. chairman, good to see you again. >> thank you for having me. martha: in terms of that moment when you asked ed davis, the

police commissioner, why he was not made aware of the investigation going on to one of his residence, somebody who lived in his missed clearly investigation by the fbi. >> it was a stunning testimony, probably one of the most powerful hearings i have shared to hear the commissioner tommy he knew nothing about the fact he had a terrorist in his hometown. ed davis has personally told me he would like to know that. he has four officers that also had no information about him being amongst them, no warning of the russian letter that basically told us he is an extremist. he came back. if i could just add this morning will be very powerful. the watertown police who brought

him down our for the first time we tell the story i national stage. it will be very moving and powerful testimony. martha: i think everyone needs to hear their story because there are really two sides to this story. one is what happened before that day, and one is what happened after. you feel we are going to get a look like we have not seen before for the intensity on the ground in the search. what are we going to learn, what do you want to know today? >> we will hear from the heroes today. by the grace of god they did not bleed out. we had three that were killed that day. little eight-year-old boy as well.

we will hear the story of the sacrifice, the heroism, one year later. i think you will hear from the watertown police. we would have liked to be a of the briefing maybe after the bombing so we could have been queued into tamerian. when they took down tamerian, the watertown police and killed him and shot him after he threw pipe bombs at them, they did not know he was the boston bomber until after they killed him and they found out later this was the boston bomber. very powerful testimony. martha: you have been to russia yourself to investigate what tamerian tsarnaev was up to when he went on that trip, you believe he came back from that trip. was able to slip in and out of this country despite he was on four watch lists. we will go into a lot more detail. what did you learn about what

was significant about the trip he took? >> interview to sources i don't think law enforcement agencies have. we found out compelling evidence i believe he did go back, he went to a mosque that the leader of al qaeda had visited a decade ago that met with check-in rebel extremists. a recruiter for the rebels. and they came in and killed him and his friends. at that time tamerian decided to return to the united states. at this point he is already radicalized and learning the trade of terrorism and he comes back to boston and the trace the biggest attack since 9/11. martha: we had safeguards in place. should have tripped alarms when he returned, but unfortunately

nobody was alerted to the fact he was traveling. thank you so much, we look forward to seeing the hearing today i and what you might learn there. thank you for being with us today. >> thank you, martha. martha: we will have complete coverage of the boston bombing one year later. we did in-depth reporting on the results, all the watch lists he was on. what can we learn to prevent something like this from happening again. bill: boston comes back and runs 118th marathon. coming up from boston strong, america strong right here on "america's newsroom." it will be a big moments not just for that town, the country. do it again. martha: a lot to come on the one year anniversary. so there is an annual event, a festival that has taken a

violent turn on one college campus. crazy situation going on there. what triggered that while the scene and how police got that situation under control. bill: john mccain rally against john kerry. reacting to that exchange and more. next. >> on the issue of ukraine, my hero, teddy roosevelt, used to say talk softly and carry a big stick. you are talking strongly and carrying a small stick. @e@8ñúñ

bill: there was a heated exchange between senator john mccain and john kerry. mccain blasting him and what is called a failed foreign policy. just watch. >> geneva two is a failed collapse of that predicted it

would be. the only tangible result is those who went to geneva, their relatives were kidnapped. israeli palestinian talks even though you may drag them out for a while are finished, i predict even though we gave the iranians the right to enrich, which is unbelievable, those talks will collapse too. >> the israelis and palestinians do not declare eight that. they want to continue to negotiate. >> will see. >> yes, we will see. >> it is stopped. recognize reality. bill: on it went. marco rubio on the floor. also in the intel committee as well. good morning to you. how would you characterize this back and forth?

senator mccain said at one point it was the trifecta the east, syria and russia. >> i think he is right on point. you saw a moment ago the secretary talk about the peace talks with palestinians and israeli ends. it is dead. they want peace more than anybody. the problem is a palestinian and posting authorities have done nothing to condition its own people for any kind of peace negotiation. you still have educational system that talks openly and teaches children to hate jewish and hate israelis. how can you promote peace may have done nothing to condition a people are prepared them for any peaceful coalescence? nobody wants peace more than the israelis but will not come at the expense of their security. that is why these talks are a failure and white oppression is a administration is putting on israel to enter into a negotiation is going to prove to be counterproductive and negative for israel.

bill: i know he will continue to fly around the world and try to make things happen. maybe there is a different way to phrase this question. what is the greatest foreign-policy compass meant do you believe of this current administration? >> that question was asked yesterday. the heavy spread of hiv program that began under psident bush, but around the world, we are less safe today than when president obama took office. in asia the allies are unsure about our ability to counter north korea and chinese expansionism. in europe you see real testimo testimony. in latin america you see the democratic order. iran is closer than i have ever been to being a nuclear power.

they agreed to than the capabilities to enrich. al qaeda has moved to 14 different countries and actively continue the plot of hacking against u.s. interest in the world and here in homeland. other than that, things are going well. bill: that is a horrendous report. >> if you understand what this obama administration form in policy. it is based on wishful thinking. theories the u.s. and how steps back for the global stage becomes more of a junior party and all of these endeavors, to become more stable. when it is done the stuff back has created a vacuum and the vacuum has been filled by tyrants like china, russia, iran, al qaeda and others trying to fill the void with their own desires at the expense of the free world.

bill: said yes, they broke the law but is not a felony, it is an act of love. do you agree with him? >> that comment shines light into what a difficult issue this is. on the one hand there is a rule of law here. we have the right to enforce our law, every country in the world has immigration laws, they enforce it. we can't simply ignore those laws for national security. on the other hand is a human components to this. many of the people who find themselves in this country did so because they are desperate to provide for their families and the united states provides that opportunity. balancing those two things is what makes this issue such a tough one. that is why i continue to say the best way forward is to reform the legal immigration system to create real enforcement mechanisms that are in place, verifiable and that people trust. if we do those two things we will have the political and

policy space to realistically deal with those who are here illegally now. bill: let me cut fact that phrase, "an act of love." do you see it that way? >> some people here illegally to take advantage of the system. others who did not plan to stay but overstayed their visa. and then there's of those who are desperate to provide a better life for their children. among that population, a significant amount of people, we have to be compassionate and humane and our heart goes out to them. we have to balance that with a need to have enforcement of the immigration law. what he was calling attention to is the human element of immigration and the fact there are millions of people in the country who violated the immigration law but did so because they desperately wants to provide the family a better future. it compels us to do something to fix the issue and prevent this problem. bill: we have some breaking news we have to get to.

but thank you. appreciate your time, marco rubio. martha: where following a breaking story out of 10 sylvania. a stabbing as students are heading into the morning of classes at high school, plus the white house today taking on the issue of equal pay for women, but boy are critics calling out the administration hypocrisy on this they say because they believe they don't even meet the president's new standard, how could that be? >> i think it is an issue that is likely to be an issue for women who voted for president obama that he and his party are on their side.

martha: breaking news,

terrifying morning in pennsylvania this morning as its goal was just getting underway, about 7:13 this morning reports came out that 20 individuals, 20 students had been stabbed by a male student they believe who is now in custody. a spokesperson for the emergency management team joins me now. thank you for making a few moments for us. i know you all must be very busy with this, can you tell us so far? >> we have 20 injured. none of which appear to be life-threatening but four of the students had to be transported by mille medical helicopter. he was taken into custody fairly quickly. the school does have a resource officer, and he was able to determine there was something going on, asks for other officers. they took me to custody fairly

quickly. but in the meantime 20 students were injured, four of those had to be flown from the scene. martha: what can you tell us about those who are injured, what are their injuries? >> they are stabbing or slicing wounds. they are being evaluated at the hospitals and i don't have a lot of information on what happened when they left the scene here. there were some significant injuries. some severe lacerations. the detective and the police department are interviewing the suspect at this time. the suspect is believed to be a sophomore in high school, not known what motivated him to do this this morning. martha: do you have anything else you can tell us about the weapon? >> writes now we don't have information we are releasing,

the motive will be determined as we go through the investigative process. martha: did he give himself up with a solo law enforcement coming toward him? >> i don't know what the technical maneuver was, how he surrendered or if he surrendered peacefully or violently. again, no officers were injured, so i am assuming this was a peaceful surrender. martha: any indication of the time lapse of when the stabbing occurred and when the students were able to get medical attention? how much time elapsed between the incident and when the students were airlifted out of there? >> the actual incident on the left at 15, 20 minutes total, we had ems on scene with less than five minutes. immediate treatment occurred. people were being treated, the school nurse was involved. it was treated fairly rapidly.

just the amount of patience they were dealing with. we had services from the region. martha: we thank you very much for taking a few moments with us. we will be back with more on a breaking story out of pennsylvania. your mom could do anything. defy gravity. find hidden treasure. make rainbows appear. now she could use a hand, so she can keep living on her own. comfort keepers can help you help her. our professional caregivers are carefully chosen and highly trained to provide a variety of in-home services

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fox news alert. breaking news this morning after a student went on a stabbing rampage at a pennsylvania school. murrysville. this is franklin regional high school. we just spoke to the head of emergency management there. he relayed there are 20 injuries but they are not life-threatening. four students are in critical condition and airlifted to a hospital. the stabber was a sophomore according to him. you are looking at the scene as there was a huge scramb lashi s

lashings. he pulled out a knife and he is in custody now. we will continue to bring you more. let's go to capital hill where there is an intense debate going on behind closed doors. lawmakers on the means and way committee decide whether they will pursue a criminal case against lois lerner. brand new hour starting now on a busy wednesday morning. i am martha maccallum. >> and i will bill. the lawmakers are debating the exact wording of a letter to eric holder requesting an investigation into the lois lerner and her relationship with the irs scandal. mike emanual is live. the case being made for doing this today is what?

>> that lois lerner violated the constitutional rights of people in this conservative organizations by ordering others to infringe on their rights and said she released taxpayer information of people affiliated with the groups. democrats wanted to discuss this in open session but the commit voted 23-12 to do it behind closed doors because of the sensitive nature. we expect the vote on whether to send this to eric holder later this morning. >> once it is at the department of justice, what happens? there is no guarantee it will go anywhere. >> you are right. 2008 was the last time this happened with roger clemmins.

they didn't feel like he was honest. the justice department did prosecute. but the house oversight is supposed to recommend the entire house vote to hold lois lerner in contempt with congress. this is putting pressure on eric holder and the justice department to act and also pressure on lois lerner and attorney to come forward and talk to congress. we have seen her come up and take the fifth. >> clemmons was acquitted in that trial? >> yes, that is right. staying on that topic, let's bring rich lowry in. you heard the discussion about whether or not this will dead end if they do proceed criminal

charges >> there is two prongs. one is the letter going toal holder and he is going to ball it up and put it in the waste basket. the action from the oversight committee is more significant. the committee will vote to hold her in contempt congress and that goes to the pull house after the recess and the signs from speaker john boehner the house will vote to hold her in contempt and then the house can peru that or a u.s. attorney handles it. >> her lawyer is not to happen too happy about this. he says this game playing is showing how easy it is to be called a criminal and get the media to print it. what do you think about that? >> i think it is unarguable she

is not cooperating. there is issues if she waved her fifth amendment rights against self- self-incrimination. they say you cannot wave this thing partially. they say you stand on it or wave it and she says she waved it but supporters think the opposite. >> it seems like this pressure could lead to an immunity agreement. you need someone who is going to tell what happened behind the scenes. >> you give her immunity and you will get the truth on how and why this happened. but then she is off the hook. if she was the instigator of this, where is the justice in that. that is the decision you have to make. >> rich, thank you very much.

it has been a busy morning. back to murrysville, pennsylvania. there is new information about the stabbing at the high school. let's get to laura ingle on this. the new information is now what? >> i have been listening in on a live press conference from one of the main hospitals where the most seriously injured students were taken and that is forbes. two students are in the operating room being treated and what is being described as serious stab wounds to the to e torse. another student is going to be wheeled in as wells. additional patients are getting ct scans to see how bad their stab wounds are. a lot had deep lasererations and

stabbed in the torso. they are concerned about that and that is where we get the life threatening information. this took place at franklin regional high school. this is a very large campus. 1200 students in the high school and there is an elementary and middle school. as we have been watching the live pictures coming in from the local news helicopter, parents are being shuffled around and being told to go to one area or another area. a lot of frustrated trying to find their children. but the officials are trying to calm the parents and get them to their loved children. new information that a couple students are in the operating room. >> we are hearing the fbi is on the scene assisting local law enforcement so perhaps more on that. >> reporter: and the suspect is

being questioned at the police station >> it was said to be a sophomore? >> reporter: yup. >> was he injured? did he give himself up? >> reporter: all we know from the report we have been monitoring is he was taken into custody at the school. we don't know about turning himself in. but he is being interviewed as we speak. >> 20 students injured ranging fr from? >> reporter: they are saying 14-17. >> are any life-threatening? >> reporter: they are concerned about the ones in the operating room flight. some students got scrapes were slashed on their arms and some legs we have heard. but the ones stabbed in the torso are the ones they are concerned about. the medical director when he came out he was very serious and said we are dealing with a

critical situation with some of them. >> you have to think a tria triaugcenter was set-up. but the response time is so critical for the first responders to get there. >> reporter: that is why they brought in the med vack and didn't want kids bleeding out on the way to the hospital so they had to get thrum them up in the air is in the emergency operating room away. >> three different hospitals treating. >> reporter: we are hearing four actually. go again the information is coming in quickly and we will bring it to you. cephal >> thank you. we see school shootings and now a stabbing which is unusual and downright scary for parents who are watching all across the country. it is 7:20 in the morning and

this happens in the high school in in the suburbs of pittsburgh, pennsylvania. >> who knows what was going through this 15-16 year old sophomore's mind going in with a knife. look at the kids being walked out trying to get to a safe place. we have seen this seen way too many times in this country. lots more to be answered in murrysville, pennsylvania this morning. mer mer murrysville, pennsylvan

showed you live pictures east of pittsburgh a moment ago. we are trying to piece together what happened when a sophomore student started stabbing 20 class members at 7:15 this morning. four in serious conditions. what was the motive? what set him off? these are questions we don't have answers for. the fbi according to fox news we

can con firm and report they are on scene and helping the local police determine what happened there. back to that area in pennsylvania in a matter moments. murrysville, pennsylvania. white house reporters are pushing back against president obama's repeated claim that woman are being paid less than men earning only 77 cents on the dollar a man makes. the president is calling for strengthening equal pay law and that was one of the first things we did with the lilly ledbetter fair pay act. here is jay carney explaining his numbers >> why does he continue, like today, why does he site that figure when you are saying it isn't quite that? >> you didn't say that. >> you said it was more nuance. >> i said it is based on census

data. you can argue with them. i said there are a lot of factors that go into the gap. >> the washington post fact checker is showiaying it is misleading. alan combs is here and melissa francis as well. the other interesting thing jay carney said the women at the white house make less than men and he said our numbers are more favorable to women than the national numbers >> so 88 cents is better? >> let's look at a couple tweets before we get into this that went back and forth yesterday. jennifer said love all of these guys meaning the ones that ask the questions.

but 6-7 sent men to ask the president about the problem of gender pay inequality. and then from ed henry he tweeted back the white house send a man to the podium to answer them. >> no body is disputing there is a gap. but it is so hard. when you drill down on the people no two team or job are the same. you try to parse what is going on and different people make different decisions and look for different things in the work place. >> i think they are talking about the same job. >> median is what they said. that is the middle person. >> they also specified full-time year around. that is what it applies to. not every job in every sector. >> the labor department did the most accurate look at apples to apples and found only a 5 cent

discrepancy. when you look through all the numbers it is a fact there are more men who are engineers and in these higher paying jobs and that is a statistically true fact. 90% of teachers are women and work nine months a year and are paid less. one of the big questions here is is this being used as a political ploy? >> it is good political ploy. >> what it isn't true? >> it is true. equal pay pertains to people that work full-time and year around. >> five cents differences. >> you are not taking into account different people, men and women, look for different things. many women say i want to make as much money as i can and still have the flexibility to go on

the kindergarten field trip. there is nothing wrong with that. >> but work place flexibility and income inequality -- >> men are doing that as well. >> but they are two different issues. >> no, they are not. they are tied. >> men would like the same thing. they want workplace flexibility because they take care of children as well >> jay carney said what you are saying. there are some people that want to work longer hours. his explanation was exactly what corporations are saying. we give more people flexibility and lower pay and that is the tradeoff they chose. he made the argument -- >> the comparison is apples to apples not oranges to oranges in terms of full-time year around workers same job at the same level. the white house made it 88 cents not 77. it has to be full-time year

round workers >> men lost jobs at two and a half times the rate of women. i know plenty of females where the women is still working and the man isn't. maybe because she makes less. so trying make it black squat saying there was a war on women >> it should not be broken down by sex. you could find an example where a woman is being paid more. >> you could. but this is statistical. this is a political issue and it looks really bad on the republicans. it is going to hurt them when they don't vote on the act the president made yesterday. >> we will go fight in the hallway. >> we will continue this. >> i think a rematch at 2:00 eastern on francis' show.

back to the breaking news. the fbi is on the scene and four students are in serious condition and several in the operating room as we speak. and now we are getting a sense of the police communication back and forth. you will hear that in a moment and we will talk to mark ferman unt the response and more on this breaking news story right after this.

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asap. >> units 230 at the school. >> we are in route. >> we are getting a call reporting one individual has a knife. 230 and additional unit. the actor with the knife is in room 213. there is a victim down in room 115. >> 115. mark ferman former lapd officer. good morning to you by telephone. when you have a suspect with a knife you have to take that suspect down. and there is really one way to do that. you have to get a physical body on that person to take them down unless you can defend yourself with another weapon. if it isn't a knife, it is gun. but you as a detective, former

lapd officer, how do you physically get ahold of the student and neutralize him? >> let's imagine the police get there while the suspect has the knife, it is visible and he refuses to drop it. there is a 21 foot rule in law enforcement. by the time the person with the knife launches toward you at a full run you will not stop him with the first round. now they have things like rubber bullets, bean bag guns in the larger departments, and then you could also isolate the person to a concern point where you could actually use some type of gas or pepper spray. >> would a taser stop him?

>> it would. sometimes. identify -- i have seen tasers where they pull the darts out. you don't know the mental or drug state of the individual. that is what is disturbing about this. this is a desperate act. an act where they know they will not get away. they have a knife so that someone is going to close with them within the area they could pick them out. this is a desperate act. that is the disturbing thing about this. there was no chance of escape. this person is doing this knowing full well they will be killed or caught. so that is what you are dealing with. >> a couple things for the viewers. someone will be at the micr microphone in a matter of

minutes. mark, why would the fbi be on scene this quickly? >> they have a lot of resources the police department can use forensically and electronically. it could also be something in this situation where there is something that goes across state line. i don't know. i don't know how close they are to another state line. they could be a resource they called in not knowing what they have. the situation right now, they are talking to the suspect and one of my concern, with such a desperate act so early in the morning and such a random target of victims in ages that were not all in his grade, so you look at the situation and go what precipitated this? what happened before school, at his home, or in his community.

>> or last night or overnight. would ray they know motive at this point? >> reporter: they are talking to the suspect. they have not said the suspect is talking back to them. and suspects do lie. we don't know if he is telling them things that they are on wild goose chases or something happened last night, this morning or through the night where other people were injured and this desperate act was like why not do this, why not do what i have always wanted to do because i am going to be caught and put killed or put in prison. >> you have dealt with a a lot of this. i need a quick answer and i am not sure that is possible. but why, in your study, through the years, why a knife and not a gun? was it accessibility or deeper than that?

>> accessibility is certainly that. but a weapon like a knife is a personal rage-based weapon. >> mark, thank you. we will hang with you. don't go too far. we have more questions for you. and when we were talking marta we saw students walking out and one monitor is interviewing one of the kids. >> no doubt shaken up but it looks calmer than it was today. the suspect is in custody. you have to believe the students saw him and no doubt some of them knew exactly who he was and maybe the backstory that triggered this event at franklin regional high school. we will have a news conference. tay with us we will have more breaking news on "america's newsroom." newsroom."

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this started >> the first hallway on the right. i have multiple victims and we need ambulances as soon as possible. the suspect is in custody. only one suspect. >> about 13 patients right >> i need ambulances around the side. >> be advised. inside the school there is multiple stab victims. bring in ems from wherever and local officer and the suspect is in custody. we need some help here, though. >> that is incredible. he was clearly in the hallways. they detailed two specific classrooms. 115 and 200 where they saw victims inside classrooms. it raises questions about whether or not specific people were targeted in this stabbing and how he was able to get around the hallways and into classrooms and hurt and injur 20

people, four of them critical and airlifted to local hospitals. lore laura ingle has been following the story. what can you tell us? >> reporter: we are waiting for an update from forbes regional hospital. this is where the serious cases have been taken. two people are in surgery. the medical director said they expect everyone to survive. they were deep in the torso abdomen in some cases. some cases have slashes and cuts as the male student who is a sophomore went classroom to classroom up and down the hallways on a 30 minute rampage before a school officer was on the grounds that was able to find him. officers who arrived there you

heard from the scanners once they arrived on scene they assisted him and took him into custody quickly. hopefully we will get a good update on the students who are in the er and the westmoreland spokesperson said they are continuing to get in touch with the parents. we have been listening to local reporters and parents are calling in to local stations saying they are trying to find their students. it is a large campus with over 1200 students at the high school. as you can imagine, any parent watching, the fear in your heart to get to your child to make sure they are okay. >> just a brutal attack. the thought of a 15-16 year old boy going through the hallways. we have reactions from the

students in that school. let's listen to this: >> my one friend was cut across the face. she was bleeding. i didn't see her. the one friend got stabbed in the back. my one friend's brother got tackled to the ground and they stabbed him several times. i don't know how he is doing. it is unbelievable. >> reporter: and some of the parents calling in who have been on the phone with kids who are in the lockdown area and not able to come out of the high school describing what they saw. blood on the floor, chaos, panic and trying to hide from the attacker. not knowing where the person was coming from or going to. we will be hearing from the kids and parents in the hours to come. >> laura stand-by and let's bring mark ferman back into the discussion. we know that he is in custody, mark. this person who is believed to be responsible for these

stabbings. if you were to interview him at this moment where do you begin? >> i would want to begin with the previous day or get school records and find out if he had proble problems, any mental deficiencies, what kind of parent situation is he is, talk to them, and hopefully establish a repore with this suspect so you can actually find out why he actually launched this attack and was it very specific. did he go room to room looking for specific kids or was it random. >> no doubt the teachers, administrators, will be questioned about what they may have known about this young man's mental state. we want to go live to this news conference outside of the

school. >> law enforcement and emergency manageme management. the first floor hallway revealed multiple victims by the knife the actor had. our priority was the people that needed medical treatment, safety to the staff, the students are our priorities. thanks to the ems and the surrounding agencies with their assistance, the scene was quickly -- >> all right. cutting quickly from the news conference outside the school and waiting for the doctors to give us a report as well. are we going to take a quick break here? we will break and when we get back we will hear from the hospital on the conditions of those injured this morning.

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briefing with reporters. we want to back up the statements and play it near the beginning. apparently there were no shots fired to subdue the suspect. a sophomore student wielding a knife, injuring 20 classmates and four in serious condition. here is the chief. >> fist thing you want the students to do is run. you know? upon my arrival and the other officers that is what we saw. we saw a scene with people running everywhere. the fire alarm being pulled probably assisted with the ev evacuation of the school and that was a good thing that was done. >> we saw the suspect leave in a police car. can you tell us where he is going and his status right? >> i will not tell you where he is going. he has injuries to his hands and he is being medically treated. >> how was he taken into

custody? >> the school principal and school resource officer who handcuffed him and he was secure >> he heard he may have been bullied? >> i don't know anything about that. that is part of the investigation. there is no need to discharge a weapon. the situation was brought under control in the best manner >> can you talk about securing the school? >> i don't know about that. >> the only staff member injured was a security guard? >> reporter: that is correct. the principal wasn't hurt. he is being looked at but wasn't stabbed >> the male guard had a wound to his stomach? >> yes. >> were all of the victims students? some adults?

>> reporter: as we know all our students but one and that is the security guard. an adult male. >> talking about securing the school and that is time consumeing? >> reporter: we will be here for a while. thank goodness for resources. this process is going to take a while. it is intrintraicate and it wil take a few days to do that. >> what have you learned about how the staff reacted? >> i don't speak for the school, i think they will be talking to you. but i think they are versed on on emergency and the police department works with the school. the sro is down there every day. full-time murrysville police officer. we exchange ideas on an emergency that could occur. i think this could have been a

lot worse if there wasn't immediate action. >> are there other security measures here? >> there are but i will not elaborate on that. >> 20 injured? >> can we talk about life-threatening. are the four students who were injured life-threatening? >> i believe they are critical. >> did you believe the suspect knew these people? >> we don't know that yet. initially we don't know what led up to this. but it is part of the investigation. >> we heard there might have been a threatening phone call made >> we are checking on that. >> do you know why students were

in so many different locations? >> you want to students to run in a situation like this. going back to the fire alarm pulled you want them to evacuate and they did. they did right. >> how were so many injured? >> the juvenile went down the hallway and was slashing two knifes around. >> one in each hand? >> i don't know. >> i am not going to confirm that. >> did he tackle the student? >> yes. >> the resource officer is a murrysville police man as well? >> he is. >> one more question: >> thomas seefeld. >> four in critical condition and now we have one of four

hospitals now caring for the injured. this is forbes hospital. >> because we have a trauma team, we had four surgeons available. three of the patients had severe injuries are and still in the operating room right now. two of the patients are in critical condition but have stabili stabilized. the team responded well. we have all levels of expertise here and due to the nature of the injuries we have a liver surgeon who is working right now on one of the victims. three of these students as stated are remained in the or. the other five we had are being evaluated. i do believe 3-4 of those 5 will be fine and not have to go to the operating room with

relatively superficial wounds but 1-2 might require surgery. >> can you describe the wounds? >> they are all knife wounds. most were too lower abdomen. they seem to actually have a pattern. most were to the right lower abdomen and the right flank. and that created some of the criticality of the wounds. >> did the three in the or have significant injuries to internal organs? >> yes, they two. two of them have relatively severe injuries to their abdomenal organs. and another has injury to the upper abdomen also being operated but relatively stable.

>> were these puncture wounds? >> yes. >> how deep would you say? >> i would to say they are deep, penetrating injuries >> so when they same in what was the immediate response? who did you attend to first? sfwl >> the response was done by the trauma surgeons and all of the surgeons in the house repondspo. i looked up and saw 20 surgeons ready to respond. i practice at this hospital the majority of my career and we were ready to handle what came into the door. because of the trauma

certification we have we had four trauma surgeons there and they did the initial management. they were quickly taken to the operating room. >> emotions had to be running high. i can see you are kind of getting overcome with emotion. i know reese was overcome with emotions. can you explain what they were like today? >> i am a gine call gist and a number of the patients their mom is our patient and these are kids i likely delivered. the team doesn't react with motions. it is a clinical response. one thing about being a doctor that lives in a community you serve you can become emotional but i was proud of the response >> the was the clock clicking on

the nur injuries? >> the three that were in the or are critical. the response absolutely was ticking. >> were they alert and able to communicate? >> i would say that two of them actually had undergone antibation in the field. i think the critical part of this was the paramedics that responded to the nature of the injuries were unbelievable. i even think a story of a friend helped respond to a victim. so they came in appropriately managed in the field. one already had a tube established. the critical response that occurred and brought the students in, and i can say two of them immediately went to the or. the reason they were able to go to the or after the initial stabilization in the emergency

department was because of the initial care in the field. >> dr. coffman said he expected all of the patients will survive. do you? >> i do. but i want to stress the critical nature of their injuries. >> anything else you can tell us about your response this morning and your part? >> i got the call around 7:15 this morning there was an incident at the school. my role is that i immediately enacted our code triauge which is the disaster response team. and i echoed what was said our staff, pre-hospital partners, the response and the collaboration of everything within on the campus is what made the difference. it was the response we would expect and what we prepare for during drills throughout the year we prepare for such events

we hope never happen. and that preparation served us well because we acted as well as we could. and emotional for the people in the building because they live in the community and know many of those affected and our prayers go out to everyone touched. >> can you explain what code triaugu means? >> team of doctors, nurses and everybody who is available in the hospital, or staff, and everybody. >> does that mean come in from outside? >> we did have people coming in from home and help. we had people that had stayed past their shift to make sure their help was not needed. so it is an all-hands on deck call out that we need to manage a situation within our campus

>> how do you do that? do you have a page? >> we have a page that goes out. i immediately called the medic command center and they send the passenger out to everyone and we all set-up a command center and each person has a role in the command center. public relations, operational management, physician management, or management, and we met in that room and have list of staff to call and see where we need to mobilimobileal. >> do you know hong how long the patients will be here? >> we don't know. >> can you describe the atmosphere? >> it was a clinical atmosphere and we responded like we always

do. or response couldn't have been more empthetic for the families. we had social services on scene immediately, extra resources called in, chaplain support and everyone mobilealized to care for the victim and the families we were receiving we had provisions for the family and mobi mobi mobilealized everybody in the building >> where are the bam -- families -- and what is supporting them? >> we have several support systems in place. we have plans to help the school district heal from this as well. we have chaplain support. many of the families are with their children.

we finished rounding with them and they are concerned for their child. >> all of the kids have family? they are in the buildings but have separate areas? >> and some parents are having to fly in and come in from outside of the service area. and others, grandparents may have been involved in the growing up of the kids so we are dealing with those circumstances. >> have they been able to see their children yet? >> i have met with most of them and we did match them up when possible. i talk today a dad flying in from boston for a victim in the operating room. everybody has reached out. the clergy is meeting with the parents. i think that is being managed well. it was never out of control. the parents were all

appropriate. we didn't have any other likely responses of parents pulling up to see if there children was there. >> can you describe getting the phone call initially saying we will need you, this is happening, what is going through -- i know clinically you have to react and you know what to do, but there has to be motional feelings coming into the that and thinking this is happening, oh, my, god. >> i was just getting ready to see a patient in my clinical office. i immediately went to the emergency department and by the time i got there the teams were in place. no one had come yet. the head of the trauma team was there and as they came in they were placed in rooms according

to their level of severity. the team was ready. in addition to that all of the other surgeons responded into the house. we had all kind of surgeons there ready to assist and to help and then their services were utilized as needed. >> that is an impressive doctor right there. you think about what these people have done through and what an amazing response with whether it is the police, fire, the parents and students, a sad commentary they have to have: a readiness program. >> it is very moving when he said i saw these kids coming in and probably delivered some of these children that they are working on today. so it really was an impressive group of people handling what didn't need to happen. a very tragic morning at the hospital. and our prays for the students as they hang on to life.

we have to go and hand ow to the colleagues on "happening now." >> youth are resilient. something who is younger and strong can tolerate these injuries better than someone else. but a penetrating injury has to be evaluated by which organs were effected and that injury is often never localized to one organ and that is what makes it critical. >> he heard the suspect was being transferred to an area hospital. do you know if he is coming here? >> not coming here. >> can you elaborate on the condition of the adult? was that a staff member? >> he is in good