i'll be back in this area on saturday. two signings in one day. barns and nobel in bethesda, maryland and fredericksburg, virginia. thanks to everybody in washington who came in early for the show and thanks to you. >> we'll see you all tomorrow. martha: turning up the heat on a former irs official. the house oversight committee deciding whether to hold lois lerner in contempt. this one day after a different house committee voted to pursue criminal charges against lois lerner. i'm martha maccallum. gregg: i'm gregg jarrett in for bill hemmer.

new information on why democrats may have been pushing back. darrell issa is accusing cummings of cliewgd with the irs. >> reporter: lawmakers say the evidence against lois lerner that she was a key player in the irs targeting of conservatives seeking tax exempt status. they say she waived her fifth amendment right. they say you don't get to no claim your innocence then clam up and refuse to answer questions. they say this is bigger than lois lerner. they want to get to the bottom of this massive organization targeting organizations seeking tax exempt status. they continue to keep the pressure on lois lerner and

attorney general eric holder. a lot of these lawmakers don't feel like the department of justice investigation at this point is serious. >> reporter: all these allegations of the raipging member elijah cummings colluding and hiding some of the testimony and document, do you expect fireworks? >> reporter: all indications there will be. a lot of republicans i have spoken with say they expect distractions and games from the democrats on the panel. on the ways and means committee all the democrats voted against sending a criminal letter to about lois lerner. these hearing related to lois lerner have been testy so you better believe fireworks are likely. >> reporter: a testy exchange

between issa and cummings when the microphone was shut down. martha: a stunning new part of this story. darrell issa claims elijah cummings tried to dig up dirt on a tea party group and he tried to get the irs and lois lerner's help in that matter. this is the latest in a bitter feud between i issa and cumming. remember lois lerner's last appearance on the hill? >> i'm a member of the united states of america house. we represent 700,000 people. you cannot have a one-sided investigation. that's absolutely something wrong with that and it's absolutely un-american.

martha: remember that moment? that was a feisty exchange. we may see more of that today. allison barber joins me now. what do we know about cummings request for more information on true the vote? >> issa is saying in january 2013 some of cummings staff member reached out to the irs saying we are looking to do an investigation and look into the tax records and fax exempt status of this one group true the vote. previously you had the founder and president of true the vote testifying before a subcommittee. she brought up the fact that cummings office and the irs contacted her and made requests for information. her attorney suggested perhaps cummings' office played a role

in putting true the vote on the irs radar. cummings said that wasn't true. they are saying these emails contradict that. martha: there is a suggestion that may be why congressman cummings wants to move on, there is nothing here to see, folks, just keep walking along. >> cummings maintained we put in a lot of money looking into this, this was not a politically charged thing. there was no conspiracy to target conservative groups. he's saying i think your motivation for saying that is you had something you were trying to hide. he's say we need more information because it looks like your motives is because perhaps you were colluding with the irs. he's making serious allegations and serious emails that were not previously disclosed.

you did have cummings testifying and you do see his staffer contacting holy pats and lois lerner for this particular organization. march rar what would they say on their own behalf about the reason they would do that and why it doesn't matter. >> they would say this was an investigation, congressman whether he welch was doing a similar investigation. we were requesting basic tax forms. when you read through the letters there isn't a particular bombshell i can't believe they said this. it's back and forth correspondence of do you have this information. and they seem like they just move on. the point is the fact that it wasn't disclosed. that's where issa is saying you didn't file was appropriate to be brought up but it's pertinent information when you had people from true the vote saying you contacted them.

they compare in their letter, here are the requests made about it irs and here is your request and they are saying the wording is similar and that's why they believe they worked together in investigating true the vote. they had something going on behind the scenes where they were perhaps in cahoots looking into them. martha: allison, thank you very much. gregg: new details on the teenaged suspect in the pennsylvania stabbing spree. 16-year-old alex hribal is being charged as an acult. witnesses say the assistant principal put his own life at risk to protect the student and staff. >> i was in the school and i came down the stairs and i saw the kid. and mr. skin was yelling at him. i turned around and saw him stab

the police officer. afterward he went down and mr. king took off to take it kid down and i was right behind him and we both jumped on him and immobilized him. i was put into the situation. i didn't know what was going on until i was in the middle of it. >> reporter: do you think you saved lives? >> i think mr. king was the main hero. he immobilized him and pinned him down. i jumped on top of him as well and pinned down his legs and arms and tried to keep the night stationary. gregg: what more to we know about this suspect? >> reporter: we are getting conflicting stories. one that he was the shy kid in the corner. another that he fit in well with his fellow students. one thing we couldn' -- we don's why would a young sophomore pull out two kitchen knives and start

shark away at his fellow student. 16-year-old alex hribal charged with 4 counts of attempted homicide and 21 counts of assault. the community trying to grapple with this tragedy. we have pictures of people coming and going this service. one person who knew alex hribal talked to us and describe wad she knows about him. >> he was a kid that was being bullied. he was quiet. i didn't think he was able to go that far. >> reporter: she set he was bullied. but his lawyer tells a different story, there was no bullying, he fit in well and was a good student. >> this is a nice young man. he's never been in trouble. he's not a loner.

he works well with other kid at school. >> reporter: hribal will be charged as an adult even though he's 16 years old. martha: there is also new audio from the police scanners moments after the school stabbing spree ended. first responders calling for more help to treat the victims at the scene. listen to this. martha: by all accounts they did great job in handling this after the fact, gregg, and they had all kinds of help on the scene

there. we also heard that amazing story of the student and the vice principal who jumped into action as well. as horrific as this was there were heroes that emerged. gregg: a couple of people in critical condition. in the meantime horror at a daycare, you a child dead and a dozen young sistered injured after a car barrels into a building. martha: an out of control cement truck. look at that. into an oncoming car. you will not believe this. >> reporter: cot boston bombers have been stopped years ago? what the russians reportedly did not tell the fbi that could have made a difference. >> reporter: before the bombing were you aware based on this russian intelligence that the fbi opened an investigation into tamerlan?

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martha: a stunning new report claiming russia's government did not give the fbi all the information they had on tamerlan tsarnaev before the boston bombing. according to a new report russia turned over all the detail only after the bombing. >> in some way i'm relieved to know that the fbi according to this report -- we haven't seen the report -- they did all they could based upon the information they had. though troubling in the sense though we had some information and it did point to the fact that tamerlan, the older brother had been going to some kind of change and metamorphosis, but

yet we weren't able to act on it. i think the concern is our guidelines, on yo -- our laws ae it difficult to take it further. martha: i think from the work that we have done on this, that's exactly right. they are saying we had no authority to go further. we closed the file on him. here is robert mueller who was the head of the fbi testify being this russian knowledge back in june of 2013. >> i interviewed the parent and interviewed the tamerlan himself. sent the information back to russia on three separate occasions we asked the russians for additional information. martha: looking back at this, the russians are saying the information they gave was they believed that he was a radical islamist and they were concerned

he was becoming increasingly radicalized and might travel back to chef yeah. the people we spoke to suggest that the fbi felt well they are worried he's a threat to hem in chechnya and he will come back and cause trouble in chechnya for them and the fbi interpreted that as well. >> that seems to be the case that the view was he's troubling to the russians. they did go out and interview him and people around him. according to his report they are asking youing maybe the fbi could have deducted other investigation or interviews. i think the other troubling as expect of this is even armed with this information is we have people here who can run below the radar twhant they have done. they have become self-radicalized. maybe influence bid others around him. on blind support. things such as the "inspire" magazine and other vehicles. >> there is a feeling in this

country that evening is being watched that we are doing, right? yet you have this person that was the russian authorities alerted us to and nobody was watching his internet activity. nobody was checking his phone calls at chechnya or anywhere else. it appeared he had plenty of privacy. >> it goes to show you the limitations we have here. i'm not suggesting we violate anyone's rights in any sense of the imagination. a lot of the things that were the markers, the points we didn't connect weren't connected because information sharing or it had to do with policies, procedures and federal laws that limited our ability to follow people who needed to be surveil. they say just by the mere suspicion you can't park a vehicle outside somebody's house and listen to their phone conversations. martha: when the video surfaced

of tamerlan tsarnaev and his brother walking through the crowd, the fbi came back and got in front of american people and said does anyone know who these two people are? yet they had a mug shot of the them from 2009. necessity had investigated him and spoken to him 18 months prior. does it surprise you they didn't pull all that together and say, yes, he's got sunglasses on in this picture. but he does kind of resemble that guy. or that russians who i emergency would be aware of that boston bombing. >> just knowing how large an investigation like this has momentum to it, they need to get information as quickly as possible. those photos probably resided somewhere in the fbi files. perhaps the case agent didn't look at it quickly enough to point out they interestviewed

him. this was the quickest way to get the public involved and get the identification. it does didn't mean if they spent another week or so they would have come across this. but in this case it served the public benefit to get the information and get as manyize on this as possible. martha: lots more to come on this story as we get closer to the one-year anniversary tuesday. we'll be bringing you that fully extending package and story about the investigation prior to that day, then bill will be on site for the actual marathon this year which is going to happen april 21. so we have a lot of comprehensive coverage. the boston bombing one year later. gregg: giving up control of the internet. two hearing on the white house decision to allow an international body to take over the worldwide web. why critic say that could be a very dangerous situation.marthaa

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gregg: the hunt is on for the man who crashed his car into a daycare center, killing one child, injuring 14 others. news of that crash sent parents into a panic as they tried to make sure their children were okay. >> it was heartbreaking. i of course thought the worst. because i couldn't get through i didn't know if something was wrong with him. he's my first child. it was hard to kind of process everything. >> reporter: police are searching for this man. robert porchado, an ex-con considered very dangerous. have there been any lead in finding the suspect? >> reporter: they don't have a sight on him. he fled the scene in his dodge durango.

it was found abandoned near a house where they believe he lived. police do not know where he is but he has a lengthy arrest record. he's been arrested 8 times including for cocaine possession and drug dealing. he's also been recently arrested for reckless driving. it's a multi-agency manhunt. he's desperate and extremely dangerous. gregg: what is the latest on the injured children? >> reporter: one child remains in orlando hospital in critical condition and three in serious condition. the scene at that daycare center which has been in operation for 25 years, one of real panic. one child who died in the hospital yesterday from her injuries, a 4-year-old girl. gregg, back to you.

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gregg: a controversy is erupting over brandeis university's of an honorary degree. brandeis backing down on offering the degree. ali says she is not surprised brandeis caused into the critics but she he stifling her views will not put the issues to rest. >> for the last 12 years i have been condemned by muslim organizations and relatives any time i bring up the treatment of women in islam or the link between violence and violence justified in the name of islam. it's muslims who commit violence against women or others who bring the koran on the table.

gregg: monica crowley a talk so host. you know ayaan ali. >> i'm honored to know her. she is brave and fearless and she put her own life on the line to talk about a faith she was raised in. she was raised in a plus-limb family in somalia. she is willing to tall out her faith on the treatment of women. to have bran dice university which is suppose to be a marketplace of ideas where all views are given an airing. to have offered this degree and then taken away from her is a dangerous bit of cowardice. gregg: universities give voice to a lot of opinions during

their commencement speeches. >> i think they did the wrong thing all the way through. to recognize with an honorary degree someone who has made statement like islam is a cult of death when there are muslim student at death. withdraw the degree probably was the best after bad lot of decisions but this is a courageous woman. she has done an enormous amount and it pains me to side with radical islamists who take the the same position. gregg: i interviewed her about the subjugation of women by certain parts of the islamic faith. i had to meet her in a secret location, bodyguard had to sweep the room first. >> islam gives my father the right to force me into marriage. islam gives my husband the right to beat me.

gregg: that's her points of view. i don't see it's terribly objectionable. >> it many also based on her own life experience. what they are saying sat brandeis and elsewhere is she cannot speak to her own life experience, she can but just not on our particular campus. i think the solution to the speech you might disagree with or find offensive or not right is more spoach. so let's have this debate out in the open. but the problem is you have so many groups like cair and others associated hamas and the muslim brotherhood are trying to silence people speaking about their experience within the context of islam. gregg: you have cair, the council of american is rammic relations. here is the sound bite. >> she says islam itself has to be defeated. not radical islam. she says islam period must be

defeated. she says that muslim schools in the america should be shut down, that the constitution should be changed so that muslims in america don't have civil liberties. gregg: this expresses your points of view, doug? >> i'm more speech and i want more speech, i just don't think under these circumstances honoring her with an honorary degree makes the best sense. at the same time not to recognize she is a heroic woman doing' for women and there is much about islam that is destructive of normal human interaction would be a mistake as well. >> the problem is once brandeis went down this road of extending the degree to her, to then ultimately cave to groups like care and others who want to silence her. she has first amendment rights to speak elsewhere on her views and god bless her for that. but to extend it then pull back

as a result of the pressure of these groups i think sets a very dangerous precedent. we saw similar things with the mow zilla ceo. i think we are at a dangerous place. >> there were substantial numbers of student and faculty at brandeis who spoke out against it. in a certain sense brandeis is reflecting the will of the community. >> i pointed out that all the over american campuses you have all kind of people not everybody sitting in the audience agrees with their point of view. they are outspoken people. i don't see ali is any different.

>> i think we need to hear more from ayaan hirsi ali. where are the moderate muslims. gregg: the reason i interviewed her is because i was coughing the story of a man who killed his two daughters in texas because necessity were wearing western garb mandating western men. >> we should be supporting ayaan, hirsi ali. doug schoen, monica crowley, thank you both. martha: shall we take a look at

the markets? there is the big board. it just opened up a few minutes ago. investors hoping things stay that way this morning. up one point in the early going. the dow was 181 points after a report suggested interest rates may stay stable for now. but a lot of folks who watch the market closely believe in the end they have to start going up at some point. but that wraps they are and the market seems to like that the past couple days. also today as the debate over contempt for lois lerner continues at this hour, there is the live coverage of that oversight committee hearing. a new question on what to do with about the former irs official. can congress arrest her? you might be surprised by the answer. >> miss learne learn -- miss leo you believe there is not ans

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gregg: a cement truck tips over and runs into a minivan. the driver of the minivan says he installed the camera to document any accidents he might be in. he walked away with just a cut on his leg. the truck driver suffered only minor injuries as well. no word on what caused the cement truck to tip over. martha: a fox news alert. the house oversight committee set to vote on whether lois lerner can be held in contempt of congress. >> lois lerner and the internal revenue service systematically targeted conservative groups and attacked our most fundamental rights. think about the first amendment. religious liberty, freedom of the press, freedom of

association, freedom of assembly. freedom of speech to speak out in a political fashion and criticize your government was systematically attacked. martha: could congress arrest lois lerner right now if they wanted to. republicans are not ruling out that possibility after referring her case to the justice department. republican kevin brady joyce us now. how could that happen. under what role could you possibly arrest lois lerner at this point? >> that is news to me. what we know at this point in our ongoing investigation, we are not all the way to the truth of this whole corruption issue at the irs. but there is clear and compelling evidence lois lerner at the biddle of outside political groups abused her power to violate the civil rights of taxpayers, to mislead treasury investigators and she

risked putting out triprivate taxpayer information. we referred this to the attorney general to prosecute criminally miss learner for the violations of law. >> you have suggested very strongly to the justice department that they pursue criminal charges. you know what the response was to that. it's never going to happen. we have seen they think this is a non-issue. the president said there is not a smidgen of corruption. >> we'll see. when you look at this evidence i don't think you can deny it. it raises the key connect in a bigger issue. is he willing to defend the civil rights all americans or just those he favors. for the long term americans it doesn't matter. when you have got a government trying to silence your voice simply because you disagree with this government, it's a pretty chilling effect. so we are going to keep the pressure on to hold the irs accountable.

martha: you say the arrest issue is not on the table for you right now. even though some claim that there is a clause, there is a way if you wanted to do that, you could. >> i'm not familiar with that provision of law. what we are doing is following the law as best we know it in a thorough and deliberate way. and i i'll tell you throughout this investigation, 600,000 documents and we have not finished this. we have given full and complete access to democrats on this issue. i think they know full well there is something rotten at the irs and the sooner we drain the swamp over there the better. martha: obviously very tough language coming from your committee, a criminal investigation and from the oversight committee. we are watching lift coverage of that. is this designed to put pressure on her, to put pressure on her attorney to say, look, let's

enter into some kind of deal where you will be immune but you will tell them everything you know? >> well, the immunity issue has been raised quietly throughout the 9-10 months of our investigation. i don't know where miss lerner's legal counsel is at this point. we want to get to the truth of this. we definitely want to hold people accountable who violated these laws, and we want to make sure this never happens again. i think that's just part of the overall discussion. we are far from done with this investigation. >> would it surprise you when you look back at the president's initial statements about all of this, he says look no matter where the fault lies in this irs situation, because the irs is the irs, they take taxes from of american citizen, they cannot be, they must be beyond reproach and we have to get to the bottom of it and figure out who did this. then he basically says it's been

looked into, there is not a smidgen of corruption in this case. >> the president as you know didn't mean it. and neither did congressional democrats who also said they wanted to get to the bottom of this is outrageous. some called for the resignation of lois lerner. now they are defending her fully. now we are learning miss of congress just like in the senate you know pushed and prodded and pressured the irs to target conservative organizations like true the vote in my region. again to try to stop them from being involved in the process ahead of these elections. again another reason we need to drain the swamp over there. martha: thank you so much, representative brady. good to talk to you as always. gregg: there is controversy over the man chosen to be iran's new

ambassador to the united nations. we know he took part in the siege at u.s. embassy in iran. martha: a 16-year-old boy accused of going on a stabbing rampage at his high school. >> our hearts and prayers are out to his family, the victims, the school co: sometimes you don't know you need a hotel room

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why would you create a spectacle in court in the public domain in the public eye apoll jies and not private. why would you do that? >> i haven't had the opportunity to meet the steenkamps. i don't think they have been ready. i have been struggling. martha: this on the heels of a dramatic exchange yesterday. the prosecutor urging the bladerunner to quote take responsibility for killing his girlfriend. our legal panel will weigh in on what has become arrive thing case. gregg: a man accused of hostage

taking is now accused of political assassination. he allegedly played the role in the killing of an iranian disdent in italy. we are just getting word that the house will take up the issue of barring him from taking part in the u.n. because of the hostage crisis in 1976 in tehran. >> reporter: there are new concerns about the man iran wants to send to our country as the u.n. ambassador. he's being accused of organizing the killing of an iran dissident but was never charged. they are saying hamid aboutalebi

helped arrange the assassination of this man. in he was shot to death on a boat bike in rome. an iranian national was tried in absentia and acquitted. italian police say an iranian defect for was quoted as claiming ambassador aboutalebi directed the attack. he said it was based on the fatwa.

naghdi's girlfriend says i believe aboutalebi was involved in the death of my partner. all road lead to tehran. in a statement to fox news the spokesman for the iranian mission told us quote-unquote is the story is a nasty and calculated attack about it council of resistance riding on recent news waves using all media as their bugle. it's a mockery of jumpleism. -- of journalism. martha: it's been a busy morning on capitol hill. kathleen sebelius to face lawmakers for a new round of questions about her obamacare plan and the 2015 budget. we'll be right back.

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all right. here we go with this fox news alert. the house oversight committee considering whether to hold lois lerner in contempt in congress. she is under hot water for not answering the questions for republic republican groups. i am martha maccallum. >> and i am greg jerrett in for bill. we will continue to look at the hearing for a decision on c contempt resolution. in the meantime, there is no evidence of political bias. >> worker in several irs offices are accused of violating law while supporting president obama's election while on the job with pens and screen savers. we will talk to bret baier about

this later. new information about the 16-year-old boy accused of goingb on a stabbing rampage. police say he went up and down the hallway attacking people with two large kitchen knifes. 21 student and a security guard injured. the teenager is being held as an adult without bail. friends said she was quite and shy. his attorney is asking for a review saying he has never been in trouble. >> he is a typical student. a b-plus student. the family has dinner together every night. they didn't see this coming. >> dr. keith albrow is here, member of the fox news a-team. you keep hearing people saying over and over quite nice young

man there has to be something else going on there; doctor? >> greg, there has to be. there are no mysteries in in th. they are going to look if there is medication started. he has a case of acne and some acne medicines cause psychosis. i had someone in my office who used spice, a synthetic marijuana, that can cause psychosis. so they will have to do an es

assessment and there is going to be an answer. >> i want to give your response saying he was going up and down the hill with no anger expressed. it is the same expression this student had every day. what do you make of that? >> very concerning. you have starting to unravel it with that observation. why a blank expression every day? is this someone who is distracted by what is called internal stimuli? was he paranoid? we don't know. but if you walk up and down a hallway with stab people with no expression it doesn't take a doctor saying that is not normal

>> he played video from a student who said he had been bullied. we know from experience shy kids are the target of bullying. we don't know if this is true or not. it was a statement of a fellow student. could that play a factor in your evaluation? >> it certainly could. as a trumatizing factor and as to why -- trwas he someone who s shy? social anxiety or low level paranoia. it is your point of view he should not be charged as an adult but they have charged him with attempted homicide and 21 other counts as an adult which means he cannot, if convicted,

be released until 21. you think that is wrong, why? >> we have to start playing by the rules and the truth in this country or it will unravel. we cannot pick and chose when you stay true to reality. and the reality is you are an adult at 18. at 16 you are not. by extension, would you take a 30-year-old who is immature and put them in juvenile court? never. this is vindictive. >> i covered the case of richard grisem who stabbed someone as a teenager and as soon as he got out when he was 21, he became a notorio notorious serial killer in the state of kansas. you have to be careful about

that. new reports that workers in the irs violated federal law while supporting the president while on the job. bret baier, anchor of special report joins us more. what is going on here? >> this is a violation of the hatch act that prohibited federal employees from talking about politics on the job. they are dealt with a couple over the years. the first was over a phone line and they were cheering for obama and the reelection and one spelling out obama and another saying republicans will take women back 40 year and if you vote for republicans the rich

get richer and the poor get more poor. this was recorded. and there is going to be disciplinary action for the employees. this comes in the broader context of getting ready for another vote against lois lerner for not answering questions on the targeting of the conservative groups. >> we have a quote from the letter that went to the dallas irs office and it says it is alleged that employees have worn partis partisan stickers and buttons and screen savers that showed support for president obama. it strikes me, in the context of lois lerner, that whether or not there was an overall feeling in the agency we know who we are supporting and you do what you can to help out the cause

especial especially. >> you hear the pundants weigh in on the chris christy bridge and if the e-mails don't come forward, many say there was this cult that enabled this to happen. it is what they thought the governor wanted to happen. take that and put it on the irs situation. was there this culture that this targeting happened and was allowed to happen and festered throughout the irs offices. that is one of the things the investigators are looking into. >> that cnk you very much, bret baier. nebraska ranchers here standing against the government and confronting rangers who are

rounding up boundy's cattle for illegally grazing on the land. william is live. what is the beef, if you will? >> the fight is over cattle but fight is over the right to use public land. they are accusing the administration of intimidation and closing roads and using helicopter and hands to round up 900 cattle that belong to a defiant man. the battle involves rancher bundy whose family started here in the 1800s before it was taken over by the blm. the federal court disagreed and

gave the feds the right to seize the cattle >> this is land that is part of the sovereign state of nevada. >> the feds rounded up 300 cattle and will sell them to pay $1 million in grazing fees they claim he owes >> where does this go from here? >> it is a real concern. everyone owns and carries a gun in some cases. the blm took control of the area to protect an endanged tortoises. his son was arrested for taking photographs. >> this is one of the consequences allowing to federal government to come out here and access this land >> this confronitation is

similar to the western slight in the '70s. remember enemies of the state battling the feds over grazing water rights? back to this. >> no winners in this except for maybe the tortoise. a report on the boston bombing. the information that was reported withheld froment from a the united states that some bleb may have made a difference. peter king is here >> and giving up the internet? some calling this dangerous >> and a car catches fire with a driver trapped inside. >> i popped the truck -- trunk and was going to grab something to put it out but i looked at the car and said i have to get

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>> a medical chopper crashing on the roof of a nee mexico home. it was on its side and the tail over the roof. the pilot suffered minor injuri injuries. two hearing on capital hill focusing on the white house decision to give up the oversight over the internet. the obama administration wants to give control to an international body controlled by foreign governments. the executive director for law and justice is here. u.s. programmers with the ones that invented the internet, advanced it, nurtured it, protect it. how does it make sense to seed control?

steve jobs wouldn't seed control of apple. >> and we gave it to the world to use. this is a rare time i would say the government did a great job managing something you don't want private control. we set it up when we went public and that is it. it is a hands-off approach unless there is a problem. but imagine if you have china and russia on this. >> your point is well taken. the leading agency to take control of this is the international telecommunication union and guess who controls them largely? cline china and russia >> and they are not friends of freedom. the people of the arab springs

organized because of the internet. they were not able to get together because of the dictatorship. and the itu and run by dictators. you put them together, they are not about freedom or reactive problem solving which is how the united states handles this. their first move is getting rid of anmity on the internet. >> the obama administration says it is dangerous for one government to have control over the internet. what is driving the president to do this? was it guilt from the isofame -- irs fallout? >> remember, the president of

brazil canceled a state dinner for president obama. so it is russia, it is china, but because of snowden, that is impacting how the president is seen around the world. >> i can envision this future controlling body, especially associate would the united nations, remember the food for oil program that was the most corrupt billions of billions stol stolen? i can envision them taxing the internet and it will be far less free. >> the first move is to get rid of anything that is anonymous and the second is tax foreign websites. if you go to google and you are in russia you would pay a tax. think what that does to google or g-mail.

we have empowered the world and america has done a good job of overseeing it. why are we giving it away? >> congress could step in saying mr. president you should not have the ability to give away the internet. marta? coming up, the life of a conservative in hollywood. stacy dash joins us live on the criticism she faces. >> and kiss is one of the bands being enducted in the rock and roll hall of fame. who else is joining the club? -- inducted -- avo: wherever your journey takes you the expedia app helps you save with mobile-exclusive deals download the expedia app

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fox news alert on the boston bombing. u.s. times report that information was withheld from the united states on dzhokhar tsarnaev and if they had gotten the information they had have screened him more. i am joined by peter king who is on the subcommittee of terrorism and he is familiar with everything that has been written and uncovered when it comes to the boston bombing. good to have you here >> good to be here >> this is an inspector general for the u.s. intelligence agencies. there has been a lot of talk about why thinks were not connected for the years they

were on the radar. what do you make of the report? >> this report doesn't impress me. the russians didn't give enough information, but the fbi shouldn't have expected that. that is why the fbi should do their information on their own and share this with the boston police. if they were the ones following this they would know he was thrown out of the mosque and acting odd. the main fault was that the fbi didn't share the information with the boston police because the fbied -- fbi -- can't be expect the russians to give them everything they had. you cannot trust the russians. >> and the russians did send alerts that were specific about

him. they said we believe he is a radical islamist who is interested in jihad and believe he might travel and there was a lot of concerns he might be meeting with people there, right? >> right. we didn't follow him. chairman mccall found out he was there at the same time leading terrorist were. there is no proof they met. but if there was a surveillance we would know that. the ball was dropped. we should go forward. for this report to come out before the anniversary is an attempt to make the fbi look better. the fbi does a good job but didn't on this one.

>> there is someone that has concern that there was someone he was meeting with and discussing a plot here in the united states at that point. this new york times report says there is no evidence of international connection. my question for you is do you think that is an effort to downplay the threat and fear of home grown terrorism? >> yes. to me, in the "new york times" that is what i expect. others who were recruited for terrorism were there at the same time. we have no evidence because he wasn't being suvade like he should have been. this could have prevented the attack at the marathon. the lessons from this should be full cooperation between the fbi and local police and even after the younger brother was captured

and being interrogated and said that time square was a target that was never passed on to the nypd. so the fbi in boston because being too secretive. hopefully that is in the past. believe me, the last authority in the world for me to listen to is "the new york times". >> interesting take. we are five days away from the anniversary of marking the boston bombing. at 10 eastern is reporting terror strikes boston and boston

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more now on the stabbing at a pennsylvania school. this is the hospital that treated some of the victims. this is brendon hurt. a young student. let's listen. >> have the doctors told you when you would be able to go home? >> they said it depends on how i do today and i might go home today. >> what were your injuries? >> i got stabbed in the back and a bruised young. >> what do you remember seeing? what were your eyes telling you? >> it was all like a blur.

i remember messing around with gracey and bumping her out of the way because i goof off in the morning and i am playoff and the next thing i know the kid runs by and hits be in the back and that is when everything went into straight chaos. >> do you remember pushing her out of the way when you saw him? >> yeah. >> can you describe that? >> it happened so fast it is hard to describe. >> did you know the assailiant before this? >> i met him a couple times but never talked to him. >> what is alex hribal's reputati at the school? >> i don't know but after today it is going to be a bad one. >> do you play sports?

>> i used to but with me working i quit. i hit the weight room >> he does things outside of the school. youth group with friends, he gets into pt training which is part of a friend's military and physical training stuff he does outside of the school. >> how many students were in the hallway? there were scores of people? >> so many in the hallways and when someone said they saw blood every one started screaming. gracey was screaming and asking if i was all right. i was trying to keep pressure on my back. >> he was running down the hallway hitting everybody at

rand random? >> at random. >> do you think you were one of the first person? >> i was the 3rd or 4th person to get hit. >> to know that so far every parent could be blessed to know their child is still here. to me that is a god send. it really is. when my daughter called me at work freaking out and told me my son was on the list of victims i dropped. i don't think any parent in the world would every want to go through that kind of agony. for all of the students in the hospital, and parents in the hospital, i send my sympathy and i understand your pain. >> and mom, do you have anything to say? >> i have hugged her. kissed her. i have told her thank you.

and there is nothing in the world i can do for that girl but thank her for what she has done. >> you saved her life and she saved yours. >> if it were not for their playoff moment in the hallway i think both of them would have been hurt. >> so your playoff shove saved her? >> yeah. >> the way she saw is you put your body in front of her and saved her life. that is what she is telling people on the today show. amanda, how do you handle that knowing what he did to save her life? >> i think for any mother i am proud of her as much as i am my own son for what achievement he wants to make and every hardship he have gone through in your lives. i am proud of him.

any child that is able to do something like that, i feel like it is not only his peers, his family, but it is the school who needs to look and say what have we done to alienate this child for him to do such a gruesome thing. i hope his family can find peace and i hope this child can find peace in some way and come out and show his true feelings on why he did what he did. >> do you have any reason think he was bullied and alienated? >> i think in this time and age we live in, i think there is more bullying than what anybody else wants to say. and i feel some students, they

have tendency of shyness more than other students. you have a group of children in the world that are fun, outgoing, loving, charming and you have other kids that are just solid, you know, individuals, and some that are just shy and don't know how to handle society. and in ththat is the way we nee look and say how are our children coping with social skills, how are they with other children, how they are being tested for negative and positive ways in the world and we need to start testing that now. before it goes any further than what it has. >> are you anxious to get back to school? >> i am not sure i can go to school at this point in time. i think if i walked in there i

might freeze. and wouldn't be able to move. i mean i need time to just cope. i think all of us who got injured in the accident need time to cope. we are lucky to be alive. even the people in critical, right now, they are lucky. we are pretty much blessed. >> did the doctors tell you you will have any limitation since you are an athlete and weight lifter. are you hopefully you can get back to where you were? >> sooner than later i hope i can but that comes with time and how long it will take for me to heal >> were you able to defend yourself at all? >> no, it happened from behind. i didn't even -- he was running up the hallway and hit me on the way and didn't know what happened. just froze there on the spot >> was the fire alarm going off

at that point? >> i think, i am not totally sure. >> there was something about a threatening phone call, were you one of them? do you know any kids who did? >> no. >> do you know if the first stabbing was in the classroom or in the hallway? >> i was told he started from the end of the hallway where we were at and worked his way up and went into a couple classrooms or something. that is what i am told >> how do you feel about alex? >> i feel he made a bad decision that took him down a path that i don't think he should have went down.

i think he could have chosen a different path to take because everyone has more than one road to take in life. you chose which path you want to take and that path leads you to the consequences later in the future. everyone has those roads and everyone has a choice and everyone can make the right or wrong decision. >> was he alienated or bullied at the school? >> i only met him a couple time. s >> prom season is coming up. do you have plans? >> his girlfriend, beth, she goes to a different school, and she is still in hopes that she is going to be healed up enough and so is he. he plans on dancing he said. >> i plan on it. >> you mentioned your daughter. was she at the school as well? or a different school? >> my daughter is a freshman and

she is at the high school as well. she was down the hallway coming out. she was in the library and when she came out it was after the fire alarm. >> did she say what she saw? >> she saw blood and a stomach wound on a person. she went into shock. >> how is she doing? >> she is with a friend. i am grateful for a friend who stayed with her. >> i would imagine you are going to keep your kids out of school for a while? >> for a little bit. and i plan on getting brett back into therapy, chelsie is in therapy right now. >> brett, we appreciate your courage. he has displayed maturity beyond his years and i think what we

need to do for brett is limit it to two more questions. and be respectful of his time and what he went through. >> do you forgive alex? >> i feel once he gets help maybe he can forgive him. >> i have been thinking. maybe if he had more friends or someone to help him out or two show him a different path maybe it would have been different. >> apparently he didn't have the support other students did and he hope he can make amendez what happened and he is talk about what caused it. >> i hope one day i can forgive him and everyone else can for give him and most of all he

needs to forgive himself. >> thank you very much, brett. and thank you amanda. one comment. i have been in touch with the super intendant at the school, franklin regional high school and we know he and other students will be resources to reach out. >> this is the hospital that treated many of the injured students. 21 were injured by a young man, 16 years old, wielding two large knifes yesterday. a security guard was also injured. several are still in serious or critical condition. we will continue to follow what happened there. alex hribal has been charged as an adult with four counts of attempted homicide and 21 counts

of assault at the stabbing in this pennsylvania high school. you want less government intrusion? is that correct? >> i do. >> but your friends in hollywood want quality for everyone that takes a massive government >> equalty for everybody is great. but i think individuals do a better job than the collective big government. >> that is rob low talking about his views on government that is getting quit a 'bit of attention. and i am pleased to be joined by stacy dash. you know rob low. you have been down this road and tweeted something about romney during the election that got you

surprising backlash you didn't expect. >> i didn't expect it. people have their opinion and i they are entitled to that. i didn't like being called uncle tom and i don't like black people. i am black. i believe you should elect a leader based on their character not the color of their skin >> what did you make of rob lowe? a hollywood actor and star who is supporting the liberal causes and now he doesn't want to walk in and check a box automatically and he wants to research the people and not want labels. what do you think? >> i agree about federal government. i don't think it should be involved in everything. some things like national defense. but as far as the people, i think the federal government

removes the power too far away from the people. i think that people should governor state by satate. they should be given the choice of who is going to governor the state according to what they need because they know best. i don't want to federal government telling me what i should do or how i should educate my child or health care system. >> one of the big issues that has been brought to the for is the issue of equal pay saying women get paid 77 cents for every dollar a man does. what do you think about them going back to this? >> i think he is tinkering with small business. he should talk to women business owners and see what they have to say about it. this is him trying to say

something he knows nothing about. he has never run a business so i don't know if he is the best person to say. >> as a woman, how do you feel about being told you should feel you are not being treated equ equally and you should be concerned >> that is the point about federal government. i don't want you to tell me how i should feel. i should make my own decisions based on my life and how i get paid. >> in terms of the backlash you feel in terms of your political perspectives, are there more people that share your sentiment and don't say things? >> yes. there are lots that don't say anything but that is their choice.

i believe we should stand up. reagan said we believe government is the solution to the problem and he said government is the problem and i believe a lot of people feel that way. they are just afraid to say it because the liberal democrats are so opinionated and harsh when they are supposed to be really open-minded. but the republicans, we are the ones that are racist and homopho homophobeic. >> it was interesting to get your perspective. good to have you here. >> it has been an emotional week in the oscar pistourius' murder trial. the prosecution is still examining him saying hysterful testimony is not sincere and egotistical. will the crying work? >> i sat waiting for the

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i will not look at a picture that shows me what i saw and felt. as i picked reeva steenkamp up, my fingers touched her head, i don't have to look at picture, i was there. >> is the crying working? >> assuming this isn't genuine, but if he cannot control this, i do think it could help him. remember, we are not dealing with a jury. this prosecution is so violent and aggressive toward oscar pistorius. so i think his weak, soft, emotional answers can play to his factor. the >> the prosecutor saying you shot and killed her. take responsibility for what you did. you could never do this in an american courtroom.

only perry mason could do that. >> that would be objectible and warrant a mistrial if there was a jury. but i disagree. i think the fact there is no jury is the reason it will not work. >> really? why? >> okay. an american courtroom and 12 r jur juror jurors. you only need 1-2 and possibility of reaching that is going to be easier. and the emotions he is showing on the witness stand, but it doesn't equate to innocence. >> the judge has to decide if he is crying because he is afraid of spending the rest of his life

behind bars? >> he is crying, he is vomiting, and weak. the judge has to focus on if he intended to kill his girlfriend or did so wrecklessly. if he is convicted of manslaughter, the judge has the ability to give him probation. >> it was the mistaken belief that never worked for others. it has been a short newscast because of the news but thank you. the irs scandal is stalking center stage and there is a picture where they are voting on a resolution to hold lois lerner in contempt. update after this. what super poligrip does for me is it keeps the food out.

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martha: all right. there is our throwback thursday. back to 1970. 44 years ago today, paul mccartney announced the beatles breakup. remember that moment? the fab four got together in the 1960. their performance on "the ed sullivan show" skyrocketed them to fame. we'll leave you with that. have a great day. jenna: the investigation into the irs scandal heating up as house lawmakers get ready to vote whether to hold lois lerner in contempt of congress. a big day today in washington, d.c. i'm jenna lee. >> i'm eric shawn in for jon scott. the committee going after the former irs official for repeatedly pleading the fifth and refusing to answer questions about the tax agency's targetting of consumer groups. listen to chairman darrell issa. >> she or her lawyer explained what she wanted to admit and why she needed immunity t