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big new job. a busy night on "the kelly file" starts right now. tensions build, so called militia members mobilize and armed government rangers look to enforce the law. we have live pictures from the bundy ranch in nevada about an hour northeast of vegas. it's become ground 0 a struggle between frustrated western land owners and the bureau of land management. there is a growing number of supporters for rancher cliven bundy in an tense standoff. the feds view bundy as an out law of sorts refusing to pay grazing fees. this week, the confrontation turned ugly.

bundy's son, tasered. his sister, knocked to the ground the story gets attention, other ranchers and groups are rallying to bundy's cause and meetings like this one held on wednesday. >> so you imagine what happened right now. okay? did god not create the cow? they've got us on the left, right. and then, and then, this is where it gets rough, okay? this is where it goes way the hell beyond. they can throw an army of men around there. literally. with snipers. on people just like you are.

men, women and children just like you are. okay they do believe they have a right to be there. you believe you can be there. some day, they're going to throw that army of men around you. and then, somehow if you're like they got the right to draw the damn tripod on the ground so if you cross the line, they can put a bullet in you? who the hell is the man behind that trigger? i want to know. i want to know who in the hell? which one of you guys gave that guy the authority to bring that rifle down? which one of us is he going to shoot? are we going to give it up? this is a hell of a lot bigger than clive bundy.

all right? they're setting a precedence, you guys. a precedence >> wow. trace ghallager has been monitoring this and has the latest. trace? >> now, we know there are a thousand people out there supporting the bundy family and they're not leaving. they're sleeping in their cars, they're creating tent cities and digging in for what they could be, what they believe could be a very long landoff. many of the people are from armed militia from around nevada and around the rest of the country. concern here is that they may provoke an armed confrontation with the federal government or vice versa. now, remember the bundy family came out again asking people to remain peaceful and leave guns at home. some are listening and many are not. the 67-year-old bundy believes his life is in danger. he is now got armed security guards protecting his property.

you'll recall bundy lost his right to graze cattle on the land in 1994. they designated this a tortoise habitat. the family says this is not about turtles or trespassing. this is about the overreach and abuse of power of government. and today, bubdy said he doesn't recognize his own country. listen. >> you see vehicles with armed soldiers in there. then i'm wondering where i am? i am not in afghanistan. i think i'm in nevada. i'm not sure right now. why would these people be here? after me? >> the bureau of land management is holding a conference call. we're listening in. they say they've been trying to resolve this for the better part of 20 years but the bundy family

will not follow court orders. listen to moments ago how they'd responded. >> before answering questions lit me reiterate we're engaged in this because a single individual refuses to abide by the law of the land. his actions do a disservice to thousands of law-abiding rancher who's legally graze on public lands and pay grazing fees >> the bundys called for a bigger protest tomorrow. and by all accounts, it appears they will get it. megan? >> and as you learn more, come back and tell what yous you're hearing. thank you very much. >> for more now on the bundys and why they're determined to fight we bring in kevin wall he hosts a live radio show in nevada he's been talking with cliven bundy. kevin, good to see you the fact of them saying look we have sympathy for him and

understand his position but we have court orders here, repeated court orders he's lost in the court on every turn to our, the federal government's right to have this land and his responsibility to pay grazing fees what skktly is cliven's argument that he has a right to graze there and only pay nevada and not the federal government? >> cliven told me he would be happy to pay all of the permit money to clark county, to the state of nevada, his issue is that the federal government has no business controlling 86% of the land in nevada. that is his beef. he says i'll gladly pay clark county and the state but not about to pay the federal government. >> it's a protest movement. it sounds like what you're saying and what i've seen just as a lawyer reading documents is that legally, he doesn't have a

leg to stand on. but he's trying to raise a larger point about the fact, as you point out, over 80% of nevada, of the lands are owned bit feds something to which he objects because his family has been there for generations. >> well, and cliven bundy says this is not about cows or dessert tortoise. it's about state rights. and his big beef with the blm could be avoided i'm worried and a lot of my listeners are very worried this is escalating. one listener yesterday by the name of joe said he's going on saturday, going tomorrow, he's going to take a tub of ice, water, and he's going to take weapons when that happens i get scared >> i worry about law enforcement officers on the scene, they're there doing their jobs. this is a fight between the federal government and ranch owners those who go to enforce court orders are doing what they pay them to do. we're a nation of laws.

they should no more be raising firearms against the bundys than the bundys should be threatening arm against them. what is being done to deescalate tempers and get this under control? >> not much i talk to the clark county commission chairman. he told me that he sees no role for the clark county commission in any of this. he's been asked by cliven bundy to get involved. governor issued a couple statements negotiating. his statements have been tep yid at best. someone is going to have to stop this thing. on the ed ral side or its going to have to be clark county or the state of nevada. >> bundy has call attention to this issue. he's gotten attention of the national news media and others kevin, thank you for update. >> thank you.

>> developing today another fire storm of anger on the part of some on the left trying to drive someone from a high profile job we reported this week on brendan ike forced to resign of a company called mozilla over a donation he gave in 2008 to an antigay marriage initiative in california. tonight, condoleezza rice is the new target appointed to the board of the online back up and storage company drop box the cloud you use when you up load things on the internet. as soon as the company announced this, the online protests started calling for users to drop the company called drop box. editor and chief of the daily caller and co-host of fox and friends weekend. another head is on the chopping block because they're upset about condoleezza rice's mill

past. twice in ten days someone is in danger of losing their position because of their politics >> they object to her support for war with iraq and the nsa spying program. it's legitimate to be concerned about those things but many people supported the we'll be right back, including hillary clinton. barack obama extended the program and the idea condoleezza rice is going to spy on people at drop box is ludicrous. this is not a rational campaign, it's a campaign designed to make her be quiet and go way. >> do you think this is inspired by what happened to mr. ike at mozilla? >> of course, it happened before most people were aware it's taking place they were remarkably success

envelope sq ufrment elching debate. i welcome any debate over war with iraq and gay marriage, those are issues worth talking about in my view the aim is to punish people with views and make them go away. >> what's happening, we see this so often now. we saw it and talked about care getting honor diaries shut down. they got this honorary degree revoked because they didn't want to hear her speak the instinct of those on the left supposed to be let's disagree and talk about it group to shut down discussions period. >> is this the fruit of the free speech movement? really? it began in 1964 in berkeley. idea is that you may have unpopular views but have a right to air them in public. >> it's the bed rock of the first amendment. >> now, argument is that your

views are so outside of the main stream you should not be allowed to express them. that is kind of a scary impulse, i think. so some on the left have been outspoken about sandra sullivan. he's come out, a gay rights advocate saying this is ridiculous. it's something the country needs to listen to. >> thank you. >> tucker we'll see you bright ask early in pajamas and drinking my coffee. >> i'm >> hundreds of thousands of americans expecting an irs refund in for a rude surprise the government may be seizing their checks. for a debt they may not owe. you will not believe this, we'll explain, next. and hillary clinton escapes a shoe-throwing incident unscatheed. but brett bozell claims the med media did take a hit.

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are considered fair game for the tax man. you got to explain this. jay christian adams with me, a former justice department attorney and legal editor of pj media. it's not -- it's one thing if they find out when i'm in college i missed a payment, right? i didn't pay what i owed the feds. it's not that. it could be my mom, my dad, my grandpa, they are coming after children, like the distant relatives of people who may or may not have paid their bills and taking it out of our refunds? >> imagine it, megyn, sitting at home wondering where your tax refund is and go to the mailbox and get a letter saying 40 years ago, your parents got a disability payment that we happen to over pay. so this is all the government's fault in the first place. we paid your parents too much, so now we're taking it out of your tax refund. so this is a crazy situation where the government messed up, now they are abusing taxpayers

who had nothing to do with it for something that was 40 years old. the government doesn't even have the original records. they have a line item that says they owe us some money so we are taking it. they can't even produce the records. >> so how are you supposed to defend yourself and prove they didn't over pay your mom or dad? >> the deck is stacked against you. first of all, it's the government and second, you can't defend yourself. you have no way of proving it because you didn't know it happened. you were a child. some debts are from the early 1970s, 1960s, you didn't even know that your parents got a disability check and suddenly, you get a bill. you don't get your tax refund. so there is no way to defend it. it's a classic abuse by washington d.c. of regular americans who don't know how to do anything about it. >> right, and then the people this happened to so far are complaining and suing saying this is not legal and complaining and now there is retaliation against them. can you imagine if you start a fight with the feds over where

your refund is and claiming how long it will take you to get it and how many legal fees you're going to have to pay to fight the fight? >> and some of these dollar amounts are a couple hundreds of dollars. so we're not talking about earth-shattering figures, and we don't even know why this law got repealed. that's a really interesting story -- >> because there used to be a ten-year cut off but whoops, got rid of that. >> that's why you have ten-year cut offs because you lose records, can't prove anything. congress says it wasn't us, it was the obama administration. the obama administration says it wasn't us, it was congress. what it does mean is the people aren't getting the refunds because of an abusive stupid government that doesn't know how to do business. >> at this point, let's find out who was responsible and continue pursuing that. that's no excuse. administration should say, okay, we don't know who did it. maybe it was us, maybe it was congress. we're going to stop it. we're not going to make -- there is a story in the washington

post that broke the story. 1960 little greiss, marry greiss was four. her father died, left her mother with four children. now all these years later, social security claims it over paid someone in her family, it's not sure who, back in 1977 and after 37 years of silence, they are going after her and she is suing. but the problem is the government now needs to look at ms. greiss and say you know what? never mind this is ridiculous. odds of that happening? >> zero. she owes money, the government will come after her. this is an administration that loves to suspend laws when they are convenience and let's see if they do it here. >> unreal. jay christian adams, thank you, sir. >> thanks, megyn. >> can you imagine how ticked off you would be if that happened? let us know if it happens to you. follow me on twitter at megyn

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from the world headquarters of fox news, it's the "kelly file" with megyn kelly. a troubling story developing out of kansas city tonight as police announce a dozen appar t apparently random shootings may,

in fact, be connected. they don't say how or who may be to blame. trace gallagher has that story. >> it could be up to 20 cars, maybe less. they are trying to get an exact number now but the common denominator is they were either getting off the highway or getting on. they say the shootings may have been linked and won't say how many and if the caliber weapon was the same. one woman says she was fired at by a passing car where the driver was wearing a ski mask. it does not appear to be a sniper type situation like in d.c. another victim says she was with her kids and it sounded like a big rock hit her car. listen. >> we just continued talking like what was that? and then went on about our time until my husband saw the hole in our car and realized that it was a bullet. >> reporter: you have local police, atf, fbi involved trying

to locate the shooter or shooters, three people have been hit. two in the leg, one in the arm. police don't know if the intent here is to kill or just frighten, but if it's to frighten, they have succeeded, listen again. >> it would be nice to get resolution. just answers because it's such a random crazy thing and then to hear that it's happening more often. >> police are offering a $7,000 reward, megyn, for any information that can lead to an arrest in this case. >> trace, thank you. we here are monitoring the breaking news on the bundy ranch stand off. what the feds just said about the cattle roundup, plus plans for a big rally and hillary clinton escapes a shoe incident unsaved. how the media reacted here versus the time when the same thing happened to president bush in 2008. brent is here. >> is that somebody throwing

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what's in your wallet? back now to our top story, breaking news in the bundy showdown in nevada. tensions have been building there as more than a thousand protesters have traveled to this area to lend support to rancher cliven bundy. he's in a face-off with armed agents from the burro of land management. they say and several courts have said that he is breaking federal law. he has challenged the feds. he's brought his case to court, and he has lost every time, and yet, he refuses to compile with the court order and he is standing on principle at this point. he believes the feds are -- have stepped over the line and finished a conference call with reporters announcing they rounded up about 300 cattle and

say they are stress patrespassi. we are there live and update you as things unfold. >> tonight, new reaction to a startling climb from a u.s. senator that the white house is dismantling the nation's laws. critics of the obama administration says the administration is intentionally sidestepping the rule of law in pursuit of an agenda and that is setting a dangerous president for the entire legal system. here is jeff sessionens. >> our law enforcement system is in a state of collapse. it's a deliberate plan byent of and it's wrong and people need to be aware of it and stand up to it and i think the american people are beginning to do so. >> joining me now, republican south carolina congressman trey gouty. congressman, good to see you tonight. so the sessions were focused on

illegal immigration and talking about how 2/3rds of the numbers of deportation and removal is basically people who just crossed that get turned back by our agents on the boarder and that they are over stating their numbers and believes we are now at a point where it's complete lawlessness. he points to this statement by our own vice president in march. listen here. >> 11 million undocumented aliens are already americans in my view. >> already americans he says. >> i discount what vice president biden says. i'm happy when his comments don't start a world war or invade a solar system -- >> it's eric holder, too. >> no, it's the attorney general. it's the attorney general and i take that much more seriously. when he says you have a civil right to violate the law.

>> that's play that for the viewers. my apologies for interrupting you. let's play it so they know what we're talking about. go ahead. >> the way we treat our friends and neighbors who are undocumented by creating a mechanism for them to earn citizen ship, this is a matter of civil and human rights. >> go ahead, sir. >> right, it's laughable. it's like you and i saying we have a right to vote in the next election in madagascar. if you're not a citizen, you don't have civil rights in this country. we do protect some folks with our constitution but to say you have a civil right to amnesty and be the top law enforcement official in the country is absurd. megyn, these policies are deliberate. i don't think they are motivated by anarchy. i think they are motivated by a desire for electoral success and motivated by the fact they get away with it. >> is it motivated by a desire for electoral success or just a

world view? because we had a lot of discussions about what happened under the president obama, eric holder civil rights division and their choices when it comes to enforcing those laws. is it motivated by getting voting blocks shored up or they just view that the population of illegal immigrants, they view the civil rights laws and voting laws differently? >> well, how about the drug laws? i mean, he trumped a congressional statute with a memo. you know, i think it's about electoral success. go with contrast, the statements by senator obama with the statements by president obama. he was concerned with executive over reach but not anymore. i think the motivation is two-fold. number one, they want to win elections and frankly, megyn, they are doing a great job. they won the popular vote in five out of the six national elections. there is other motivation that

is they do fundamentally view the executives duty, faithfully enforce or execute the law differently from the way we do, but we need to be more persuasive when we talk to fellow citizens, because we're the ones losing the national elections. >> good to see you, thank you so much for being here, sir. >> yes, ma'am. an unwelcomed surprise for hillary clinton this week. >>ist already about recycling -- what was that, a bat? that a bat? >> no, it was not a bat. it was a shoe and it miss the the secretary but the media took a hit. brent is here next. brent is here next. >> my goodness, i humans. even when we cross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems.

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remember this? and our next gust say gust say media's reaction could not be more different. president of the heed ya research center, hi, brent, explain. >> hi, megyn. you know, amazing shoe throwing really does describe media bias, i guess. for starters, it's despicable when somebody does something like that with a public figure. number two, thank goodness they missed. number three, ms. clinton has great lines afterwards and should be applauded for that. one network went over the top on cbs with their accolades but that's fine. they covered it well. but when it was george bush and he had something thrown at him, the media went out of their way to be snarky to actually praise the person throwing it at him and to make snide remarks about the president.

this is a -- and i can give you quotes for that, if you'd like. >> this is -- i mean, you kind of forget that these are human beings. just because george bush is the president and hillary clinton secretary of state, they can get scared and hurt. the conduct is deplorable. putting that to the side, after talking to president bush, it was a last riot. it came to the point they made music videos about it, i think we have one. stand by. ♪ ♪ ♪ baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more ♪ ♪ ♪ >> it wound up in austin powers, here is the "matrix." it wound up in "austin powers." let's watch that for a second. >> smacking idea, baby. that really hurt. >> but, you know, over on some

other channels today, the hillary clinton incident, now that, i mean, that was scary and that was no reason for laughter. >> megyn, look, we can laugh and the things you showed were funny and i suspect president bush was laughing as well. this is what cbs reported about when it was done with president bush. she saw -- elizabeth par said showing the contempt formally reserved for saddam hussein for president bush, this guy became an instant hero. he should go to jail, have jail time said some iraqi bloggers because he missed. when he was released, one said as it attorneys out the journalist will wind up serving nine months because of good behavior. good for him. he became a cult figure for the news media, which is a disgusting proposition. they did it with hillary clinton. they should apologize for the

president for the way they treated him. >> one example is from the associated press. here is the associated press in 2008. on an iraq trip shrouded by secrecy and marched by dissent, president george b. wash on sunday hailed progress in the war that defines his presidency when and got a size 10, hillary clinton ducked a thrown shoe expressed surprise, cracked a couple jokes that drew applause and continued her keynote speech on stage in front of a las vegas crowd. >> this is a media not just supporting her but supportive of her. by that i mean when something positive for her along this line happens, they will jump to praise her for what happened. when something negative happens, ie benghazi and her testimony,

they will ring the wagons around her to defend her. this will be for the next two years. this is how they will treat hillary clinton. >> also, how they treated president bush. it's just a reminder of how -- and you look at that president bush video, that guy whipped those shoes at him and he ducked and missed. look how close he is and look at the speed and strength those shoes are thrown at him. >> i might add, also, this was in a war zone where people were letting off bombs inside of these halls as well so much scarier. >> yet, where was the empathy for our sitting president for whom that also must have been scary? it must be said, again, as i point out, he's still a man. >> megyn, they were throughout his entire presidency. they had contempt for the man. >> i guess we don't know whether they will turn the hillary clinton shoe thing into baby don't hurt me again. it was funny the little video

they did after the fact. >> sure it was. you know, president bush, his father -- remember how his father brought in dana carvey to laugh at him. but in a news report, don't do that. >> nice to see you. >> thank you, megyn. we're tracking breaking news in the western stand off on this ranch between the federal government and a family of ranchers including plans for a big rally hours from now. we're getting new details and will bring them to you. fireworks in a south african courtroom at the oscar pistorius courtroom today. the disadvantage of taking the stand as the defendant is the prosecutor gets a shot at you. the lead prosecutor here is nicknamed the bulldog and the pit bull and he grilled the olympian athlete picking apart his testimony. we have the highlights, next. >> she would have hid somewhere in the toilet.

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we are getting a few more details now about the rally at the bundy ranch in nevada. as the sun sets in the live picture, as we mentioned more than a thousand protesters have joined rancher cliven bundy in the showdown with the burro of land management who has won repeatedly in court, the feds have. we are learning some of them, some of the folks joining cliven bundy has driven as far as new hampshire. one group went to nevada to protesters and an issue of free speech as the folks stand up for cliven and

when some of the folks saw some of the video from earlier in the week, watch. >> move! >> this is the state of nevada, get out of here! get out of here you >> the feds say bundy is breaking the law as his cattle trespassed on federal lands that he has not paid fees on. he is refusing to comply and now there is a question about the tactics being used by the federal government to enforce the court orders. o we're watching our live cameras and will update you, as appropriate. you said you were ap vulnerable, you felt vulnerableb am i right? >> that's correct, my lady. >> but, you approached the danger. that doesn't make sense. you can't be vulnerable and approach the danger. >> my lady, if i stayed where i was, anything could have happened. ape

>> well, that was gerrie nel, the lead prosecutor in the oscar pistorius murder trial. attacking the details he offered to describe the night he shot and killed his girlfriend reevaa steenkamp. he said it was a mistake, he thought there was an intruder.v the prosecution says they have an argument and he knew what he was doing. >> judge alex, a retired florida circuit court judge. good to see you. u. good to see you. >> we don't get to see like the entire courtroom and the on't defendant refers to my lady, because this is the way you do it in the courtrooms because he's's responding to the judge a woman. there has been criticism for going after him too hard. what do you think? >> no, i think the prosecutor is doing the right thing.ve i mean, if this were a courtrooe in the united states he might d have a problem with that because in the u.s., you have a jury anv then you have to deal with the question of the perception on in

the jury.ng the judge isn't going to be treating the evidence the same way as the jury, and let's face it, the prosecutor's goal here is to rattle pistorius and he was pretty effective at it todaa and yesterday. he's alternating between minute details in the story that pistorius has given, picking the details apart, making him m d explain the unreasonableness of the version he's given like he's afraid because he's on stumps, doesn't have his prosthetics, yet goes down the hallway to where the danger is instead of staying in the bedroom where he has a clear line of fire down the hallway where any intruder would have to come down. the claim that it's a high-crimn area yet he had a broken windowe for quite some time and broken on the day of this event. picking on those things and switching gears and giving him emotional testimony by breakin down and going back and forth im and back and forth like that

is starting to make pistoriuslo looking is breaking down is rial just acting basically. >> he's trying to make the case that reeva was standing behind the bathroom door, she was or standing, wasn't using the ent bathroom facility, she was standing behind the door and having an argument through the door, which we established the other night, the prosecution established she locked with a ti key from the inside saying a that's why she was standing because she was arguing with you. we have a little bit of that. i want to get your thought on that. >> sure. of >> she was standing right in front of the door talking to yoe when you shot her, that's the only reasonable explanation fora her standing upright, that's the only reasonable explanation whye you shot hear in the head the way you did. >> it's not true, my lady. >> she wasn't scared of anything except you.

>> your thoughts? a >> another example of the unreasonableness of his versionf pistorius said he yelled for si whoever was in there to call out and he i yelled at the top of h longs for c reeva to call the police and yet she never responds. if she's really in the bathroom using the toilet, you wouldn't expect her to be standing by the door and if she was and heard him, he was only nine feet away, you would expect her to respond. she went in there, locked herself to get away from you because you were angry and she d was afraid you would do to something so she's trying to talk you down through the door and that's why she's standing up to you at the door when you , fired bullets into her body. >> let me ask you this, judge. in my mind as a recovering rc lawyer, it's a strong case for the prosecution, however, it's a circumstantial case. his story has so many holes in it and yet, the prosecution's

case is beyond a reasonable doubt at this point. >> i think it is because we're not dealing with a jury. i think that in front of a juryo the emotions of the defendant, his stature would all have some effect on jurors causing them ts say do i really want to run the risk of sending this guy to prison for the rest of his life knowing who he is and seeing how he behaves? you have a judge there.ng judges are seasoned and seen every trick in the book played.c it's a strong circumstantial case and making it stronger by picking apart his story. t casey anthony was one of the strongest circumstantial cases i've ever seen but that had a id jury. >> no way of predicting and so many things the police did no n botching the investigation that are not helping the prosecutionr we'll wait and see how it plays out. oscar pistorius didn't do himself a favor. elf in a moment, a final thought plus, "hannity" at the top of the hour.

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