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often. 8:00 p.m. tonight. hello, emp i'm andrea tantaros, eric boling, bob beckle, greg gutfeld. this is "the five." >> on tuesday, brandeis university revoked its invitation to ali. brand caved to pressure to muslim groups. students on the campus of brandeis are lashing out. here are some of the students very disappointed in the university's decision. >> care is an organization that doesn't seem to enjoy hearing
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competing philosophies and perspectives. and academia, is meant to serve as the hub of end lyingment. to go ahead and reskinned its invitation to ali. we have students respect the first amendments. >> you why do you think other universities haven't seized on the opportunity to invite her or honor her? i would. >> i think that's a very good point. the thing i want to know is outraged as this student and should be, the idea i'm still baffled what brandeis did. a school with long history of studies in judism. if anyone has been oppressed by jews and radical islamists.
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she said the model of brandeis is truth even on to its inner most parts, if that's your motto, what she's doing is telling the truth, and explain yourselves. just explain yourselves. be clear, and you are ducking and you are looking ridiculous and you are looking like kourds. >> this continues to be a story, the wall street journal published what she would have said at brandeis. she said i stand before you who is someone not afraid to ask difficult questions about williams rights and -- women's rights and girls right globally? who can zbree with that? >> i think care ought to rethink its communications strategies and policies because what they have done is taken a yuft that no one pretty much heard of, with a woman that is going to get an award that no one has heard of, and they have turned it into a multi-day story and
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now we all know her name. and i think it's amazing how this back fired on care. everyone knows this story. i'm curious about the question you asked why doesn't another university pick it up and they might, but i think it's interesting from a university standpoint that brandeis is actually -- it's not being seen as one to itself. it is being seen as representative of the university culture and the whole left. the whole left. you know what i mean, though, all the universities, they are all hands-off of hirsi ali. i think that's an interesting thing. from her standpoint, i think she has actually achieved more through being the target of care's ire than if she would have gotten the award. >> do you think it's fear? is it liberalism and maybe sympathy for islam or for care or is it just plain fear? >> no.
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i think it's two fold. i think brandeis they folded because they were afraid of being called islam maphobic. i need to point out something. care, they act like the muslim mafia. two minute after we call them out for their heavy handed tactics and intimidating universities and businesses, i get an emonthly -- email from chief spokesman saying why do i continue to lie? i literally pulled up the facts from brandeis in 2007 where they said they were concerned about a comment you made in 2007. that's all they did. i think it has little to do with what she said and a lot to do with care's heavy handed ak tick tactics. >> tom, in her remarks, she cites so many examples of how islam treats women. deny he grates them, descrps
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them and she also quotes the motto of brandeis university, which is ironally truth even into its inner most parts. >> more people are going to see these. i don't think care cares about the p.r. win on this particular story. they want to put the word out there so universities know not to hire people like this to speak at all. if they can scare them, who is more cowardly than university administration and because of this controversy, brandeis looks dumb so other colleges will never invite her or anyone controversial to their campus. >> they don't represent any major group of any kind, unless they are threatening with jihad or something. the fact is, she said ten miles from here, bombs went off at the boston marathon. people were maimed and killed.
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did care open their mouths and say anything about it? of course, they didn't. dana made a point, we know more about this woman now than ever would have been known before. brandeis university would have never gotten much publicity like this. >> they have really know how to work the system. the universities will cave. the leader of the university, does she not sense any sort of discomfort inside as she's actually delivering this statement, are they so blind to the criticism, that they don't even recognize it. if i could just mention one other thing, you ask where are the other universities? where are the women's groups? because this is another thing that ali walks about, 20 years ago not even the bleakest pessimist would have anticipated all that has gone wrong where i grew up. no one could have predicted that women's basic human rights would
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actually be reduced in so many countries as the 20th century gave away to the 21st. what have we done in the united states? just this week, we complained about the dry cleaning bills of women compared to men in the united states? i feel as an educated woman in america that i have a responsibility to help women around the world to achieve at least a basic rights so that they too hopefully one day can debate the gender gap of paying for your dry cleaning bill. >> and we also talked a lot about -- not just equal pay but access to contraception and that was the entire campaign theme of this last administration. we've been talking about women's sex lives. all we do is focus on women's sex lives and how they need to have choices. and this woman, i asked this yesterday, where are -- hollywood celebrities, this woman, if you want the real truth, suffered genital
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mutilation. her pleasure is going. where are the women in hollywood rallying for they are sexual pleasure? >> where are the mini series? >> okay, so now here we are, we're calling out care, we're calling out brandeis university. we're on this side of the aisle saying this has got to stop. this is wrong. where are they? why aren't they -- >> excuse me, i stand right here with you. there's a lot of liberals who are upset about this. >> wait, wait. who? who? >> not only now. obama should have said something about this. >> he could have called her. president obama should have call her, not sandra fluck. >> he certainly should have called her. he has an opportunity, maybe he's going to do this, if i were in administration right now, i would stand up and say this because first of all they are
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always under this question about how much they favor muslims and islamists and all that. this is a way to get it dealt with very quickly. >> who are you talking about? obama? >> thank you. >> tom, there is also an administration saying they are in favor of gay rights. i would ask brandeis, do you agree, do you support a religion that is anti gay? >> this is the contradiction of everyone on the left, when they aren are confronted with people like her. she's such a good spokesman. she's lived with it. she can walk the walk and talk the talk. she's been on the seen for years now. the media does not want to get her story out there. because she is so articulate and powerful of a speaker. >> i haven't seen many
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republicans stand up on clil -- capitol hill say anything here. >> that is true. everyone is uncomfortable. she make everyone uncomfortable. >> she doesn't make me uncomfortable. what should make care uncomfortable, we should call them what they are, racist. as soon as you call them racist, everyone would come down on them. >> the islamists radicals are the most intolerant people on the planet by far, bar none. >> very quickly, you asked a question, who could possibly attack her? she's the perfect spokeperson to caulk -- talk about oppression. >> listen to this sound bite. >> we're used to having these kind of hate-filled smears but again 20 years, the most public muslim organization in the nation, please find something that cair has done or said in those 20 years that you find
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either extreme, objectionable, intolerant, wherever. >> he better understand -- he better understand we haven't heard you and cair say anything positive or against radical islamists. you say we're attacking you all the time. you don't do it because you are a coward. >> megan should have called dr. ablo on that one. when you have a microphone on, you don't have to yell. >> also is it good for them to be attacking the victim, the woman? >> it's so unheard of. if you look at some of the things she was calling, she was calling attention to some of the atrocities against muslim women, why aren't they on her side? i don't get it. >> this is about the bigger
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picture of the muslim faith. actually, she says islam. she has an opinion and they are very offended by it but they can't separate the two. they can never separate the issues. if she has a negative opinion about islam, it doesn't matter if women have getting beaten or mute i latd, they don't care. >> if cair don't come up and side with her -- >> didn't they just prove our point that they are anti woman by that comment? >> the thing is they can't defend a lot of what happens in islam, so they want to ignore it, a lot of people i couldn't say want this issue to go away, you will not hear the obama administration about this. they want it to go away. >> new developments on a rancher and the feds after they rounded up his cattle. coming up on "the five."
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this is the fox news alert for more than two decades,
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cliven bundy has refused to pay the federal government money for his cattle to graze the land. this week the stand-off has come to a head. heavily armed feds came to confiscate his cattle. they called on supporters to rally on their. >> they can throw a an army of women -- men. they feel like they have the right to set a tripod on the count and set a sniper, so if you cross the line, they can put a bullet on you. who the hell is the man behind the trigger? i want to know. which one of us is he going to
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shoot. >> there are a lot of arms to this story. state versus federal. you have mr. bundy saying his family has been on the years before the feds came along. >> i think it's extremely complicated. i grew up with a family that continues to utilize blm grazing opportunities. it's something that the rural america understands a lot more than anybody sitting on any big city on east coast can understand. congress it seems like, why doesn't he pay the fine? i think he is in arrears for 20 years for these fines. you and i probably wouldn't be able to get away with that with the irs if it came down to it, but i also that it believes that central planning does not work well. so the states -- those farmers, those ranchers know how to use the land better than anybody
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else. they are environmentalists. they it's not going to have a care about tortoise. i think the government finds some sort of common sense way to dehe is late the situation so people can calm down and i understand why they were upset. to get a crowd like that, we just showed on that town hall on weekday an, it shows people are up in arms. >> a lot of memories come back, waco and ruby ridge. >> this is not about a tortoise. this goes back to the fundamental issue about who owns the land and in the west it has always been a controversial issue. it has stirred emotions for decades and decades when particular feds own 85% of the state of nevada, so i don't think it's the tortoise as much as it is the fact that it is a land issue and who has right to the land. now -- >> can i just -- but the feds
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are saying it is a tortoise issue. >> well, yes, they are saying it is, but the fact is you could graze his cows in a lot of different places. >> or they can move the tortoise. >> well, leaving that aside, there's a bigger issue here. what worries me is dana pointed it out on a small town like that on an afternoon, people out there working very hard. now you got the militia coming in. people feel strongly on this position. you've got snipers. it would be a tragedy it happened, the governor of the state says he thinks the bureau of land management is wrong in this case and they should start to work with the rancher. andrea, there's a big solar plant in the nevada desert. because it's google and they are paying a lot of money for it,
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they seem to work around the tortoise issue. >> the snow mobilers want to snow mobile, the end vier rows. the situation is spiraling out of control, don't make it about the turtle, which is such a dumb excuse. approach this man and say let's work with you. he is, as dana pointed out, 20 years, he has not paid his grazing fees, and again, i said this yesterday and i took some heat for it, but you can't just not pay your grazing fees if you don't agree with the law. it may be a silly law but get the law changed. i mean there's a law saying i can't go take a cow and make it my own personal cheeseburger, i can't just do that. he does have to follow the law and pay the fees as dumb as it is. >> what about native americans? there is some issues about giving them back land that they felt they were on before the
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feds took over some of the land? tom, go ahead, your thoughts. >> when someone is getting tased, i'm almost always on the side on the person tased. this guy looks like my dad. he spends most of his day walking around his property and ordering people off his property. there's no people there. he loves walking around his land and ordering people off. i looked at all the issue here, this guy he's not paying his rent. he seems a little foof -- goofy. obviously, the government was wrong in waco and ruby ridge except the people in those situations were also pretty goofy. i don't know what they are doing. just walk away. there's nothing there. leave that land alone for a while. >> maybe what they should do is crowd fund for grazing fees. where is the innovation?
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instead of bring your guns, crowd fund it. >> listen -- every restaurant that we go to we benefit from a very robust cattle industry. you can get an expensive steak in new york, mcdonald's. that meat has to come from anywhere. >> maybe he should just practice voter intimidation rights or run guns to mexico, or be an illegal immigrant. maybe they would leave him alone. >> this goes back to the issue of indian land. he is not right about being the on the land longer than the government. that land is federal land. >> i think the family was there before even blm --
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>> forget blm. i'm talking about the federal government has owned that land since whoever we got it from. >> we have to leave it there. it's a hot debate. before we go, we want to elaborate that "the five" hope and pray for a peaceful resolution for that stand off. president o takes the stage at al shar ton's conference. next on "the five."
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and by lasting reforms even in the face, even in the face of unprecedented, unwarranted, ugly and zwies divisiveness. what attorney general has ever had had to deal with that kind of treatment? what president has ever to deal with that kind of treatment? >> today, president obama came to the event. >> we've got to be vigilant to secure the gains we've made and that's the meaning of the last 50 years since the civil rights act was passed because across the country right now there are well organized and well funded efforts to undo these gains. >> so we're going to have a robust discussion here. i want to start with bob, i'm starting to worry, if all opposition to president obama is
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considered to be based on race or racism, that it either chills the ability for people to feel free to speak in the country or it actually hardens people against, and it making it worse. >> i'm going to agree with your premise. i do not think that all the opposition is considered to be racism. >> that's not my premise. i'm suggesting that's what they are saying. >> i understand that. and i don't believe they believe that. there is a segment of this country and i've said this yesterday, if we believe racism is dead in this country, we're kidding ourselves. eve seen a lot of attorney generals testify up there. they have given him -- and you can argue a lot of things he hasn't done on fast and furious, i think some of this -- if anybody believes that the people who voted against barack obama were not racists, they are kidding themselves. >> you are calling the house republicans and senate republicans are racists. >> you are saying he was treated when he testified.
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are you saying republicans members of congress are racist? >> no. i'm saying they have got very bad manners. >> it's very different than what they are alluding. >> considering when general al gonzales testified. >> if there is anyone that believes that the color of the president is not an issue with those people who adamantly oppose them, they are not realistic. a group, they call themselves, the tea party, whenever this group gets together against obama, the confederate flag is there with them. >> tom, by that logic when charlie rangel opposed president bush on his policies, does that mean they were racist against president bush? >> i don't why anyone shows up to al sharpton's national
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network. there's no one ever in the history of united states. al sharpton has been -- this race thing, at this point, i can't believe they are still saying, bob, i might even agree with you that there may be some racism left in america, but who cares? anyone who does or says anything racist is always punished for it immediately, so why do we even talk about it anymore? >> well, of course, we got to care about it. >> why? >> when a black man walks down the street here in a suit and cross the street and all of a sudden, you hear the click, everybody lock their car doors? >> i hear that all the time. i lock my car door all the time. when i get in my car, the first thing -- >> so does everybody. >> if a black guy happens to be
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walking by my car and i click, he thinks it's me -- >> i'm just wondering if playing the race card so much actually drains the power of calling somebody a racist? >> this is brilliant politics. he's not playing the race card for any other reason other than diverting attention from what really matters to american people. the poll, the number one and two things are economy and jobs. you know what the very single solitary last issue americans are concerned about are race issues. if you do this, you can go step on a podium, we just spent eight minutes talking about the national action network, who gives a crap about it? who gives a crap about al sharpton, but if obama shows up to sharpton's ridiculous network, then we talk about, it diverts attention that 63% labor participation rate is the
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lowest -- >> i have a they're theory. bob, the five stages of grief, denial, anger, and bargaining, depression. in our national shame after slavery, we had finally gone through stages. it felt to me like we were sort of getting to the acceptance phase of grief, but now after this administration, i feel like we've been yanked back to the anger stage. >> al sharpton's network is not something insignificant. these are black people in this country who believe firmly that racism is embedded in very much parts of their lives and jobs is one of the top of their issues too i might add. and don't estimate how strongly they feel about this. >> they should be talking about jobs. the highest unemployment rate have been in the black community. >> how has the president of the
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united states and eric holder who have the two most high powered job in america and feel they have been aggrieved and they have priority? it's the last important issue to americans. they are going to focus on it in 2014. now, earlier this year, the supreme court voted down section 4 of the voting rights act saying that states that were considered to be racist in the past were no longer racist. they didn't need that eric holder supervision at the department of justice. they are fighting this every step of the way. bob, there may be very tyne kernls of racism, racism against whites let's not forget that. this is a national issue for the country. >> to the african-american community, it is nothing tiny about it. it is still a major issue. you ask any black guy who gets pulled over by a cop in a white
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neighborhood and this is about racism. >> the real problem in the black community isn't racism. it's job and unemployment. >> has cbs declared war on america's heart land by picking stephen colbert in place of david letterman?
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when david letterman announced his retirement last week, speculation swirled about who would replace him. it will be stephen colbert. >> this man has influenced every host who came after him and even a few who came before him, he's
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that good, and i got to tell you i do not envy whoever they try to put in that chair. those are some huge shoes to fill, and some really big pants. >> many are calling the move a gamble while rush limbaugh says cbs's decision is an affront to middle america. >> cbs has three declared war on the heart land of america. they have called a partisan so-called kmeedian to run a comedy show. >> i agree with wayne la pierre, you sir are [ bleep ] in the head. the tea party rooeches out to kids. i assume with help for spelling. now, if you are a multimillionaire entertainer
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supporting the candidacy from massachusetts, you might no longer be a red neck. >> we can make an announcement for the audience we're now being called the six from here on because rush limbaugh -- has anybody ever come up with anything that is not a rush limbaugh -- >> i think rush limbaugh was playing a colbert character. the show has a lot of energy. he's funny. dana, do you agree? >> yes. a couple of years ago, i did a roast of stephen colbert and during our roasting him he wrote a sketch that was hilarious and i think he is very funny, on the political side of things, i don't see how he would be any different than david letterman when it comes to the war on middle america, if that's what rush wants to call it -- >> he was confrontational than
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david letterman. >> don't forget, he's going to do the late show, as stephen colbert, not in character, right? where's he going to do? he may become the new david letterman? >> he knows what he has to do. i can't say anything bad about jimmy fallon. he is competing against jimmy fallon. he is not going to best jimmy fallon. colbert, he is a song and dance man. he is a great improviser. if you look at all those old daily shows, before he was the stephen colbert character. bob, do you agree with me? >> i do agree with you. letterman has been accused of being a liberal from the beginning of time he took that seat. >> i think letterman used to be
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conservative. i think he turned in george w. bush. he didn't like him and he flipped. >> whatever he did, he is still perceived to be a liberal. i don't know what rush is talking about. >> i love watching colbert because i agree with the colbert character half the time. sometimes when he's in character, he makes good points. >> he is very funny. i think he's very witty, very funny. it's a big gamble though because he does have a personality that can be perceived in the heartland of america maybe as aloof, sarcastic. sometimes he comes across as mean. we can laugh it. maybe other people won't like it. i think colbert is a little overtly liberal and i was jimmy fall lon, i would be very shrewd and i would moderate and emulate jay leno.
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>> i think colbert is going to play more to the center in politics. he's good. >> why don't they get tagged with not hiring a woman? this is gender gap -- >> they will play that. the face of obamacare, a fiasco has finally resigned, five years into her tenure, kathleen sebelius is out. we'll fill you in on the fall-out when we return.
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today health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius stepped down. critic have been calling for her resignation since obamacare's rocky rollout. >> yes, we launched the first quarter enrollment period with health care.gov, but under kathleen's leadership her team at hhs turn the corner, got it fixed, got the job done, and the
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final score speaks for itself, and that's because of the woman standing next to me here today and we are proud of her for that. >> eric, you've wanted her head for several years now. you got it. are you happy? >> no, i'm not happy someone got fired -- put it this way, she's walking away, right? she could be the most incompetent person in the whole administration, maybe in the last ten years. think about what she did, president obama is giving her -- he's doing a nice thing, he's patting her on the back, hopefully she finds something else. she spent $715 million. all she had to do was rollout obamacare. she blew it. epic fail. why is she walking away, a lot of people are saying the jon stewart interview, she bungled that. maybe there was a parting of the ways in the administration. president obama says i'll bat you on the back but boy, what as
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an incompetent as greg would say boob. >> has she been taking too much of the heat for that? >> maybe in some ways. she's not the architect of obamacare. speaker pelosi and president obama are not going to escape that by her leaving. the fact that she didn't know how bad it was going to be and that she didn't tell the president, i bet that he was irritated about that from the beginning. earlier this week, when he had the big -- late last week, the big victory lap of the sign-ups, even though we don't know what the real numbers are, they did not get to stand with the president, and i think that was probably a signal to her that she was no longer welcome there. >> that was a pretty good send off, though. he said some nice things about her, right? >> she's his human shield.
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she's got to be psyched to leave. i think she wanted to leave a long time ago. they said she's not going anywhere. the policy is the problem and that stays around and they still have to defend that even though she -- >> i know you are heartbroken to see sebelius gone. you take somebody out of your comedy routine, right? >> i kept saying to people don't complain about the website, it's going to get fixed. don't complain about sebelius. she's going to be gone. i don't care about a bad rollout. that's what i wanted about the rollout. i wanted to see a disaster, so it was fine. but i didn't harp on the disaster. i want to harp on the law. get it in order. get the website fixed and now we can show you what we don't like about the law. >> we got to get out of here. we wish her well.
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i think she's done a very -- she took on a very difficult job with a policy controversial and i think she leaves with her head
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it's time now for one more thing and this is what we call shoe news. hillary clinton was giving a speech earlier in the west and she had something thrown at her,
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a little reminiscent of the jomplet george w. bush incident. >> it's already recycling. what was that a bat? was that a bat? is that somebody throwing something at me? is that part of cirque du soleil. she actually handled it very well. who would throw a shoe? i would never waste money on my shoes. this is a flash back at gwb? who has better reflexes. i think gwb. cat-like reflexes. >> if you only one cashin' in, save it for the archives. we have donald trump, he's going to talk about president obama,
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vladimir putin. rand paul is going to talk about arming pilots in the cockpits to make sure we don't have any more malaysian flights like that and sarah palin is going to go there with al sharpton and hillary clinton. >> all your pals at one time. >> i had a fun time yesterday. i wasn't here at the five but i did go to the university of north carolina, chapel hill. i did the park lecture. the professor danielle crease was there. and i have to give a shout-out to floyd, who took me back and forth to the airport. he likes the show. he says he's going to be watching tonight. floi, i didn't forget. your shoutout. >> 44 years ago on this date, apollo 13 took off successfully from cape canaveral. and then two days later, an
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oxygen tank blew on the space ship. they went around the moon. for eight or nine days the country was trans fixed and one of most amazing engineering feats known to mad. they brought these people back safely. >> great viral video. it was a piece on street crimes and this is what happens. >> weren't they trying to say how crime had gone out? >> it's bad enough when you get caught with a hidden camera. he wasn't successful. he didn't get the necklace, and look at that reporter. he was on it, wasn't he? >> he was interviewing her about how crime had gone down -- >> we've got the world cup and the olympics coming there. >> we got to go, because we want to give a very special thank you to one of our interns.
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march marsy mason has been with us all is he smes ter. special report up next.achild. or child help.org. they have been helping children for over 50 years. think about it. this is a fox news alert. tensions flaring between cliven bundy and the federal government over the rancher's cattle grazing. cliven and his son will join us. bundy supporters confronted the heavily armed federal officials with guns and tasers. now according to the bundy family members, an elderly woman was thrown to the ground, another protesters, the son of mr. bundy was tazed three times and joining me with the latest, fox' own william. >> sean, he's getting militia showing up from around the country to confront ag

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