>> it has been fun to be here. that does it for us. >> thanks for watching sunday "house calls." >> she resigned from cbs news after getting most of her reports on the air and the push back she got from the obama administration and what cbs does to her best stories. >> they would never run. or it dies the death of a thousand cuts if it is something they don't like or want it will be changed, survived, and shortened, it is a shadow of its former self. that is not a good operating environment. >> the correspondent on why cbs changed position when president obama took office and why she it

is. >> kathleen sebelius resigns and is the obama administration trying blame her for health care problem? >> and stephen cobert taking over for david letterman. >> this man has influenced every host before him, he is that good. i don't envy whoever they put in that chair. >> can he succeed without playing a conservative buffoon. this is "media buzz," and i am howard kurtz. >> president obama was giving praise to kathleen sebelius at t ceremony for her december

parture but the white house wanted her out after politicians were calling for her to be fired, the administration, worked hard to stage manage the expert with expert handling of the media. >> she has symbolized, and personified the catastrophic disaster that oh -- obamacare has been. >> now she impose? because the administration cannot resist stepping on its tail and turning the first good news cycle into a story about firing people about the failures? >> we have fox news contributor who hosted "social buzz," and fox news contributor and former bush administration spokesman and syndicated radio host. >> "new york times" get as leak late in the day and posts the story. walk us through the spin the. >> gets the leak late in the day. this is the swan sing that the

white house was able to put out to the "new york times" for sebelius calling her a fierce advocate and fearless and said she was tenacious, so "new york times" article had all of these wonderful things the white house --. >> but in the same argue --. >> and they had some saying she was a disappointment, and mcconnell saying this was a cold comfort because of the obamacare and how horrible it was. it was balanced but the leak was able in the leak they were able to put their big old spin on it. >> what fascinated me were the unnamed administration aide whose said there was frustration at the white house over her performance and it was increasingly clear and, rick, that the concern that sebelius staying would result if lasting damage to the president's legacy and nbc quoting a source saying they wanted a head who was not battered. what -- was this to core up her

being fired? >> they were concerned about obama's legacy but it is telling how it started. they said obama lost confidence in her when she bombed her jon stewart interview. this is the first time in recorded history that jon stewart has played a role. >> it is indicative of who president obama is. you can mess up a website, you can absolutely tank the health care system but if you bomb a jon stewart interview and you ruin the president's credibility with hollywood, you are out. >> sebelius gave an interview to an address mitchell, and she said it was a logical time to leave but how different if she departed with the official words of praise, while the website was still busted. >> quick story, april 1, i'm in the roads garden and president obama announced 7.1 million people signed up. big celebration. as i was leaving i said to a

young freshman reporter, this is a test. what was the host significant thing about the speech today? he said, i don't know. he said he never mentioned kathleen sebelius. she was sitting right there. anyone watching it would have known she is history. >> she wasn't on the platform, it was rebound, v biden and she was in front. as far as the cameras, she was out. >> i agree. i agree. i agree with you. >> did you think the press swallowed it? >> everyone knew they was gone. we all demanded her head right away, right, the media and politicians because of the website launch and the problems with it. i think obama was playing us the way he d he said i'm not going to buy into that i will fix it

and leave her there and then take care of her. >> with all the ceremonies when editors heap praise on a reporter, and though were laid off. the daly show got a lot of press but there was this moment with an oklahoma anchor. >> now, that is still going to continue to be a tough sell. we will see how it plays out. >> secretary sebelius, thank you for being with us this morning, i think we have probably lost sound here or something. >> i can hear you. >> still painful to watch. >> six seconds is an eternity in television news if you can't fill that space. it is not the first time she has stumbled. she stumbled in front of congress and had a problem at the end when she was reading her

speech and she said, well, a page is missing. and she had to go on to the next one. it was so indicative of the way that she performed as a p.r. advocate if the white house. >> the media doesn't do that, both had stories about her resignation in context of, who's next? they forgot about the fact she was a failure and they went to the next nominee. the bush administration cabinet secretaries who decided to step down or get fired, like gonzales or rumsfeld, they did not get the same treatment. it was a focus on the media and the controversial decisions now move on to the next nominee. >> i have to say in her defense she gave the obama administration the biggest embarrassment of the last six years but she gave them the

biggest success so it balanced. >> she wasn't fired because of her appearance on jon stewart. >> tell "new york times" that story. >> she is not only responsible for the website botching but she ran the can't. and failed to warn the administration. did the press make her a scapegoat for all the things that went wrong with the program? >> no, i don't think so. there are good things about the program. the website was botched. >> does the administration --. >> i remember rumsfeld and he was beaten up. >> my point. my point. my point. >> the "wall street journal" and the "washington post" both focused on the next nominee, they did not rehash her career. >> in in the "new york times"

article she was called a proven manager and they gave that information to the media whether they took it and ran with it, it was difficulty. >> i was struck by the contrast of public words of praise and show was allyibility and we want her from out of there. they come from people in the background whispering to reporters. >> now an interview last weekend that jeb bush talked about immigration and whether he would run for president in 2016. we will look at that and reaction. >> they broke the law but it is not a felony. it is an act of love and commitment to your family. >> and hillary clinton says i am the first woman president and jeb bush said i am the third bush credit. >> saying this is an act of love

is we czar. >> i ask you this love billion, if it was a trial balloon to test the water for possible candidacy it was shot down. >> i don't think it was a trial balloon. i think the media in washington, dc, and new york, want to see jeb bush as a nominee. they want to see a bush and chin tone rematch for whatever reason they are comfortable with him and they want to go with the establishment. >> the moderate stand on immigration? >> maybe. maybe not. but the crowd in washington is propping him up. i don't see the grass roots wanting him to come up as the 1993 -- nominee. >> more liberal commentators liked what bush had to say, a compassionate view of illegal immigrants and why they come here to feed their families. >> it looks like he is looking for an excuse not to run for

president when he says something like that. and he came up with the curriculum for education saying that the federal government --. >> media isn't saying. >> the mother says no. >> media is in the frenzy about 2016 and bush, face it, sets himself apart from the other candidate. >> let's go to chris christie and bridge gate. he was the frontrunner and now the media neareds another frontrunner and they look to jeb bush one of the two political dynasties, the bushes or the clintons. >> do you agree with risk, this started before the appearance in texas. there was starting to be a drumbeat saying it would be nice if bush brought in or he would bring a lot. is the beltway press rooting for him to take that step? >> here is what happens.

reporters love to build people up. you build up a candidate and what do you do? you tear them down. >> they only build up people they know. they are missing a lot of people, including martinez in new mexico, and the governor of nevada. >> big names. they need a name they know from washington, dc. >> bush has to be in the mix but they talking about marco rubio and ted cruz and rand paul. everyone is looking for washington people. >> rand paul and ted cruz are running and we don't know what jeb bush is doing and the media love that history. he is a bush. >> we will read some of your messages at the end of the program. when we come back, al sharpton using his platform to play down a report he spied on the media many years ago. and later, why a reporter could not get her investigative pieces

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musical acts. he agreed to cooperate after meeting with an undercover f.b.i. agent trying to gauge his interest in a drug deal. >> i did the right thing working with authorities. i didn't consider myself "an informant." i was an american citizen with every right to call law enforcement. >> he said he was doing good fighting crime by spying on the mafia and recording certain crime members. did he give us the whole story? >> know, he didn't, and nbc is, msnbc trying to protect their guy, the host. this story should be all over the mainstream media. if it was a conservative who had his own show this would be front and center of "new york times" material. they are trying to protect their guy at msnbc and you have to be honest, you cannot go there and talk about al sharpton because you ignite race issue. >> but it was 30 years ago and

sharpton worked with law enforcement so why should it be so big a story? >> i read about it in the "new york times" more than one story, i don't think the story was hidden. you are right. it has been reported since 1988 and he wrote about it in his book. what's wrong with helping the f.b.i. get members of a mob family? some of the evidence, they say, police say, the fbi says, led to convictions. >> it was reported that he denied being "flipped," and a lot of folks off the shored say that he was actually "flipped" did something wrong and ratted. >> that is the thing. the story was said to be fabricated and he did not risk

his life to report the crime family but he was filmed, in 1983, during a sting, talking about cocaine with undercover f.b.i. agents and he decided to cooperate, which is very different than the way he portrays it. >> there are not a lot of swing voters for support of al sharpton. you love it or you hate him. in terms of how in is affecting him and his reputation, he is going to skate. whether he flipped or he didn't flip. >> this was reported as he was ready to have his national convention with rebound and eric holder but if he did such a good thing why does he seem to be playing defense. >> i thought he did the smart thing, not ignoring it but holding a news conference and saying here is what i did and i am proud. i thought that was good defense. what he should do is sigh those who picked the old pictures of him when he weighed 400 pounds.

>> i covered a story which he never apologized and he looked that way. look what "saturday night live" did with this. >> get down to business, shall we? >> business. okay. you her it's snowing outside? >> snowing? it's june. i came here to get some cocaine. >> referring to cocaine. obviously. but the al sharpton that we are seeing here is nowhere near the al sharpton who runs his show at msnbc and make as hot of money running that show and who is running this network. a lot of people are willing to forgive whatever it was. >> thanks for joining us. >> ahead on "media buzz" someone survives a stephen cobert appearance and how he will do.

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...there's a lot of buyers for a house like yours. (dad) that's good to know. (mom) i'm so excited. sharyl attkisson is an emmy-award-winning reporter that has interviewed a lot. >> an expert in counter terrorism and a top diplomate will in essence be contradicting part of the obama administration that counts on benghazi. >> she resigned last month after years over why most of her scoops weren't getting on the air. we sat down earlier here in studio 1. >> sharyl attkisson, welcome. >> thank you for having me. >> you had been covering the benghazi story with cbs.

they recently testified it was the p.r. people that removed the references to al qaeda from the infamous talking points. is that significant at this point. >> in a way, because it was so different than what was said closer to the act happening. when morrell was asked these questions or they were asked in front of him, he didn't offer up the information. in one case, when he did answer a specific question, he said it was not the cia. it was the fbi that made the changes. >> fox news and conservative media have been flogging this for a year and a half trying to turn this tragic afactor which the country was unprepared to turn it into a scandal. >> that's a strategy in and of itself. if you disagree with damaging facts have o things that have happened on your watch and you can controversialize it or call it political, perhaps some people won't listen.

if you liken it to watergate, watergate was a political scandal. it didn't mean it wasn't a legitimate issue to look at. i don't think anybody today would argue it wasn't. there is this tendency to use a strategy that says, it's political. therefore, don't listen to it. i think there are many valid questions still to be asked. >> why did cbs lose interest in your reporting on benghazi and obamacare to where you were having difficulty getting on the air? >> i think that's part of a broader trend that's happening not just at cbs but there seems to be the last couple of years much less interest in original, investigative, in-depth reporting that hasn't been seen elsewhere. there seems to be a advice certainly reaction to doing story that is could ruffle feathers whether it is people in the political spectrum or corporate interests. there has come to be a narrowing universe of stories that are desired by the broadcasts and it leads us with sometimes

newscasts that don't dig very deep. >> how did you reach the point that you gave up a 20-year career at cbs news and said, i want to be let out by a contract, i need to leave? >> in the end, it was pretty easy to want to leave. there really wasn't much left for me to do. i am not the only way that felt that way about the type of reporting i do. other correspondents that feel they bring very good original reporting to the table, not just at cbs but other networks, feel as though they are not being appreciated for the type of work they do. they are being asked to copy reporting from other media outlets which is not what we consider our objection. >> what were the objections? that you didn't have something nailed down or allowing an anonymous source or obsessed with benghazi or obamacare? >> none of those things were said to me. i think it was more when someone, a broadcast doesn't want a story, they don't say those things to you.

they simply don't air the story. they may even say they love the story and wish they could run it and they intend to run it. >> but -- >> it never runs or dies the death of 1,000 cuts if some of us say. if it is something they don't like or want, it will be changed and revised and shortened and altered that it is a shadow of its former self. that is not a good operating environment for the type of reporting i do. >> you were going to leave about a year ago and i spoke to cbs news chairman, jeff faber. how did he get you to stay and why did you ultimately leave anyway? >> i was still upped contract, which was a compelling argument if they didn't want me to leave. i needed to work with them on that issue. jeff fager, as always, is very sympathetic and empathetic, he seemed to agree, we had a meeting of the minds as to what the news was about and what my

role was and should be. i agreed to give it more time. there is a difference between some managers wanting and believing in a mission and it actually translating to the broadcast, which are, bay and large, very independent in some ways. the translation never got made. it is more of a trend than something that just involved me at cbs. >> the question has come up about liberal bias. this is often thrown as news organizations. do you think some of these sensitive topics, do you think that cbs has been too timid in challenges this administration? >> the press seems to be very shy about challenging the administration as if it is making some sort of political statement rather than doing our jobs as watch dogs. i didn't run into that same kind of sentiment as i did in the obama administration what i covered the bush administration very aggressively on the freedom and lack of information and poor management of the food and drug administration, the halliburton

questions of fraud. the bait and switch of t.a.r.p., the bank bailout program. all of those stories under bush were met with a good reception. these were different managers. nobody accused me of being a mouthpiece for the liberals at that time. >> let me make sure i understand. you aggressively reported on various bush administration problems and scandals and those pieces by and large got on the air but in the obama administration, not so much. that would suggest there is a political aspect to it? >> i think there is a political aspect on the part of some people. cbs news is not a mono lit thick organization. we know we have a lot of different personalities. we have bosses that are at their heart great journalists but don't let that play. in the bigger picture, there is a tendency to avoid certain controversy, because of the

pushback and the well-o well-orchestrated campaign that comes before us. that includes some conservative/corporate stories. there is this competing issue of bias if you want to say there is some sort of liberal political bias at play, there is also, i would argue, a competing corporate bias. instead of leading to a perfect balance of news, because those two things have a good, natural tension, i think it has led to a very narrow universe of stories they are willing to cover at all. >> when you were pursuing obamacare problems and benghazi and some others involving this administration, some on the right were cheering you were. you were almost painted as a conservative within a mainstream network. >> did portrayal bother you? >> it didn't bother me at all. >> was it an effort to discredit you? >> yes. >> you were doing stories for idealogical reasons. >> that was part of a strategy or campaign, specially from

people that don't like the stories you are doing. that didn't bother the same people the way that conservatives did. i am happy if the stories i do receive legitimate recognition. it is not why i do one thing or another. i think it has been an effective strategy to try to turn factual stories into a controversy or controversi controversialize the reporter so some of the public won't listen to the story. >> tweet me your thoughts. next, sharyl attkisson on what the obama administration did to pressure her and her bosses is stephen colbert the guy to take on jimmy fallon and jimmy kimmel? two pretzels. put in on my capital one venture card. i earn unlimited double miles.

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this is a fox news alert. the f.b.i. is joining local officials investigating multiple shootings at two jewish community centers in kansas. three people were killed. a 15-year-old boy is in critical condition. witnesses say that the shooting may have been racially motivated. a suspect is in custody. he reportedly shouted "heil hitler" to news cameras. this is a day before passover which begins tomorrow at sundown. the shootings happened at 1:00 o'clock local time. the gunman opened fire at the jewish community center of great kansas as children were there inside for a talent competition. two of victims died there and another was critically injured. the shooter then reportedly moved to a jewish assisted living center, a few blocks away

and shot and killed another person there. that facility has been taken off lockdown. one witness at the talent show described the scene. >> the parents were dropping off their kids and we were put in lockdown and they made an announcement there was a shooting on the campus and they with capital us updated with anything they heard. we were in there for an hour and a half. >> it was scary. >> cannot imagine. we will keep you updated with a scheduleed news conference at 6:00 p.m. we will now get you become to "media buzz." >> that has been somewhat successful in getting broadcast producers who do not really want

to deal with the headache of it, and why some of the controversial stories we will have to fight people on, when we can fill the broadcast with other perfectly decent stories without ruffling feathers. >> you and other journalists have made these observations about hardball tack kicks and you personally got a last push back from officials from the white house or they went over your led and applied pressures to the bosses? >> worked through me and they often went over my head to the bosses and i didn't always know when they did but they would refer to it later or i would be copied on it by e-mail and they would tell me even the last year or so if i would write an article on-line which would be the fall back position when something didn't get on television it was still a great story that could be circulated, i would publish it on-line and

they would call about that are or a headline and the articles were defensible, legal, accurate, factual, legitimate, but we didn't defend them in this cases as strongly as we should when they call and bear that kind of pressure. it borders on inappropriate if it is part of a campaign that influences and manipulates reporting. >> what would the toy say to you? how is it more than working what goes on every day in washington? >> rather than providing the information they are required to provide that we own, it is just obfuscation and accusations and say things that are phony scandals, bogus, not real, and giving misinformation and false information is proven true in some indicates and modifying it when they are caught doing so if you try to go back at them for additional information and you say, you point out what you said earlier is not true they may now

admit that but have a different story. it is tedious. it results in very little real information. the public outbounds the information that they are guarding as if there is a corporation with p.r. officials and they think we are not entitled to have it. >> do you feel you were fighting a two-front row with the administration and then with your own management team to try to get something on the cbs evening news or the sunday morning? >> that is true of me and of a last reporters now, they fight the battles on a multipronged front. you have to defend and push your stories to get them on television, and you have to fight the outside forces that distant like them but i would say those two things combined were stronger and more force will than ever during my 3 years at cbs. >> you said in the end leaving cbs was an easy decision because you had reached a point with you hit a wall and most of the

stories were not on the air and you came up with what you believe were news worth through and original information that did not make air. on a personal level, walking away from your professional home if sore long, wasn't it hard? >> not in the we, they made it easy because there was nothing left meaningful for me to do and it eased into that way of being the last couple of years. >> you could have served their until the contract ran out and shown up and done what they wanted you to do you decided to take a stand. >> i thought, really, i could have stayed as long as i wanted to and do day of air stories and weather stories and reported for anything that was happening at the moment that they wented but i found it increasingly different or difficult as a journalist to have the access i

have had to stories and sources and, really good information but then have no outlet for what to do with it. to disappoint people over and over again, to get sources to go out on a limb and convince them to come forward, to tell you what they know, and have to go back to them after all of that, time and time again and says i know i said this was important worth going out on a limb but no one wants it. you cannot do that to people. >> sharyl attkisson thanks for joining us. >> you can read the work at indication kiss.com . >> and the cover on the rolling stone is in a state of undress, with lots of news outlets justifying on this because john hancock did not sign the

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his show whether it would last below an eight-week tryout and he sat next to michelle obama at the state dinner. >> a couple weeks ago, "saturday night live" started making fun of us, us, journalists, said we were in the tank for obama. >> do you really think that late night comedy shows sh you have any influence on what goes on in politics? >> stephen colbert will soon have a lot more influence in "david letterman's" chair. whether he can beat jimmy fallon and jimmy kimmel, that's another story. story. up introducing the more everything plan. our best ever plan for families. four lines for only $160 a month. including 10 gigabytes of shareable data. 25 gigabytes of cloud storage to connect all the content you love. unlimited talk. and unlimited international messaging.

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ing. time now for our video verdict. mika brzezinski was at the white house to moderate a roundtable on the equal pay act, an issue the anchor has enthusiastically embraced. >> how do women speak out? i could say something it's easy. >> sure. >> my boss is behind me. my boss is progressive. i can get in their face. i have a powerful job. >> this is the concern that the president has is that there are so many women who are afraid of retaliation, who cannot afford to lose a job. >> what transparency does in my opinion, and everybody knows where i stand on this, but what it does is it gets people from

>> that was not addressed. >> sean hannity would have been barbecued. i give it a three. >> six. >> six. >> all right. now the next one, talk about "in your face," in a video obligated by new yorkers, the former view panelist is performing at roast for the former new jersey governor and she lets sharyl attkisson have it. [ inaudible ]

>> let me put it to you this. >> give you a toast. >> well, i think she was over-the-top, there, but the grainy foot acknowledge made it seem like it was ament to embarrass chris christie. >> she is a liberal comic and everyone knows that. but chris christie was not being roasted and it seemed to have a touch of meanness. >> i agree, i give it a three. >> my verdict? three. >> that never happens, we grow. >> still to come, your best tweet and the news organization that break the story of a congressman caught on tape kissing a staff member. i think the biggest value of truecar...

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>> a few of the top tweets on sharyl attkisson "excellence segment. maybe we will get back to professional journalism." >> stephen cobert headed to cbs "who cares, a trade of one liberal if another. >> a another, stephen cobert is like a younger letterman. and on the sebelius resignation "the males did a hatchet job on sebelius. >> cannot agree. she deserved the coverage she got. it would have been the same if it were a man. >> gender not a factor. >> a tip of the hat if a small newspaper, in louisiana that break a big story this week. you have seen the we brainy security video obtained of congressman mcallister kissing

a staffer, and she has resigned, but he hasn't. >> this is an interesting point, even the smallest of weekly newspapers can make a difference. he owns three and another was a finalist for a pulitzer prize. >> he got the scoop dropped in the inbox. >> this is a greece picture, i warp you, promoting of a new post of a photoship version of nancy pelosi twerking in a miley cyrus pose, that is low. >> and hypocritical, imagine if that were sarah palin how crazy they would have gone or any other conservative outlet in we need to stop putting women this this light. >> people on the right and the left should denounce this ugliness. >> agreed. >> that is it for this "media buzz." give us a "like" on facebook. we post a lot of video there and

follow us on twitter. we are back next sunday at 11:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m. eastern with the latest buzz. >> this is a fox news alert from new york right now while we are waiting for a update press conference from police after three deadly shootings at jewish centers in kansas city. the press conference hasn't started yet. we will bring it to you when it started. let me tell you what we know: three were killed. a 15-year-old boy is in critical condition. police do have what they are calling a "person of interest" in custody. the f.b.i. is now assisting in the investigation. this began at 1:00 o'clock this afternoon central time. police say a gunman opened fire in the parking lot outside the jewish