hello everyone. i'm greg gutfeld along with andrea tantaros, dana perino, bob beckle, and eric boling. this is "the five." yeah, it's tax day or for 70 million households, tuesday. because for them, they pay no federal income tax so they are left wondering why everyone is at the post office sweating through their shirts. i don't blame them. i envy them. a tax for them is like a coupen from head and shoulders if you are bald. not that i don't love taxes.

without them, how would people like harry reid thrive? useless hux ters. see my theory of government is really simple. it's all about the street. government should keep things off the street, thugs, the insane, invading army's and keep things on the street, like cement and lamp posts. everything else, we can handle. which is why i'm bummed that 110 days of smi salary goes directly into the mouth of a blob that turns my efforts into useful poop. so today the irs chuckles, and they can laugh. it's you who have to worry, the cost of kick -- ticking them off is jail time. that's april 15th for you. it's not about filing. but force. it's you who feels the blaze.

that was a shout-out to wesley snipes. bob, went to jail over taxes and i had to explain it which makes it not worth it. the president has proposed 442 tax increases. i don't think that's enough. >> well, i'm sure you don't think it's enough. let's be honest here about this, if you take social security and medicare and medicaid, if you put defense in and you put the interest of the national debt, about 90-some percent of the tax in this country are necessary. the biggest tax -- the people with the biggest tax in the country are corporations. >> the thing is you called social security an entitlement. it's not. >> that's the way the government lists it. >> i don't list it that way. that's my money they are taking and flushing down the toilet.

>> it probably won't be there for you. >> i would give up my social security right now even after paying all that, and say that will be my tax, how's that? >> call it even? >> call it even because i know i'm not going to see. eric, we talked about it before, isn't there a better way or a more fair way to deal with taxes? >> yeah, the last line in your mondo log is a fair way. the fair tax for me is the one that's most fair that would make the most sense. you eliminate the irs completely. there's no federal income tax whatsoever. it's a 23% or so consumption tax. you pay it whether you are a businessman, talk show host or pimp on the street. everyone pays. you pay 22%. you don't have an irs. you keep your full paycheck and the other thing, it takes the power away from government. it takes that force, that axe you are talking about, it

untethers from the government. you don't want a product, don't buy it. you don't pay tax. >> does 23% include everybody, including people that are poor? >> there's a way that you can give a credit. >> it's if you are lower income or poverty, you are actually paid for a reasonable amount of expenses, taxes that you would pay on products to stay alive, food, energy, and those things. >> the problem with that is it takes the blade squarely out of the hands of the government and puts it into lobbyists who then lobby the government for their own special carveouts and industries and turns the u.s. tax code which is basically what we have now. they tried this in new york. i'm more of a flat tax myself. i didn't love the brackets. the problem i don't like is what happened in new york with the fair tax, lobbyists got their

way. you had taxes on large marshmallows and not small marshmallows. on yohoo and not all chocolate milk. we live in a world where government is corrupt and lobbyists get their way. certain lobbyists get to government and they get their own special carve-outs and the people who deserve it the most, like say the middle class aren't getting necessarily a fair tax. it's actually not that fair. >> dana, we talked about the high tax for some time. the shorter are, you should pay less. i'm more interested in the fox news poll. this is a very interesting poll. surveys showed that people are most angry about fact taxes, it isn't the amount but the way it's spent. the complainers aren't greedy,

they are angry over government's incompetence. >> and they see reports of fraud. whether the percentage of fraud is bigger or smaller, they think it's there and they think the government is not doing enough to deal with that. interestingly, there is bipartisan consensus the way to deal with all of these issues is through some sort of tax reform. there actually was a big movement in the late 90s to get that done and i think maybe it is time to do it. if you look at all of the numbers that it pays 111 days to pay your taxes before you start earning for yourself. if it was more trans sparnt and fair, the other thing i really like about one of those two tax reforms, it takes the crohn anyism out of washington. he issen -- estonia, went with 15% sales tax and it take

something like a 3-5ths vote of the parliament to change that. talking to some people today, you could actually implement this in three to five years, and we wouldn't have to all of the headache that we deal with every april 15th. >> address the flat tax. do you still need the irs, do you still need for them to decide which deductions are fair which are going to get approved or aren't, and so you are going to have your whole lobbying group doing that as well. >> what do you mean? you can't really lobby. if there's three separate brackets if people put in their plans, are you saying there's a reality of getting rid of the irs? >> yes. that's exactly -- >> again, we're talking like -- like fantasia land, that would be great in theory. it's not going to happen. let's see what we can do and democrats and republicans get together and said that there's

three brackets. that's what i'm there for. if you make $100, flat tax, you pay $10. >> in order for them to happen, somebody has got to run on it. a presidential kban candidate has got to run on it and make it the centerpiece to do it. one of things you can do on either one of these flat tax or on consumption tax you make it nonamenable would you tell -- >> if you did that on the consumption tax, you want to ge on it. it wouldn't happen. >> this administration is creating a permanent welfare state for the middle class. i'm just going to go under 35

hours because i can get the subsidy and only pay $15 a month for health care. how is the republican going to get that voter? if people are on the dole, they have no skin in the game. >> this is may all be water under the bridge. 70 million households don't pay any tax as all. that's about 45% of america. which meets you hit 50.1%, you are never going to get bob is talking about. you won't get the votes to do. the people who don't pay income tax, love the system. this is a perfect system for them. >> you also notice the poll is the second biggest complaint is rich people don't pay enough. >> they say the same thing. the people who pay taxes are going to say too high and the people who don't will say the rich should pay more. there is one interesting thing that i think is worth discussion for our government and i were republicans i will pick it up

and it's this idea that senior citizens who decide to continue to work after age 65 and don't retire early, that they wouldn't have to pay the payroll tax after certain age, after age 60. it make a lot of sense. that whey you incense at this vise people to continue work. they are not going to spend their social security benefits past age 100 if they are lucky, so i think there are some things public policy wise that we could do that would make taxes make a lot more sense for everybody involved. >> lastly, hasn't the irs suffered a lot. it's hard for us to take them seriously when they are asking for our money. when they are asking federal employees to get out of paying 3.5 billion. >> let's pay what president obama pays. 19.1%. i'll pay that tomorrow. >> let's keep this in mind, more money is deducted than is

collected. in other words, if you actually collected the tax you were supposed to collect, there's now more deductions -- >> you have to pay a tax preparer who knows all those rules so that by the time you save all the money you've actually paid somebody to figure out all the money you should save. >> president obama must have the best accountant on the plant because 19%. >> and the people at the irs they are getting bonuses for all the . >> the fraud sters are out that are actually taking that refund money and the irs seem unable to get a handle on that situation either. >> there you go. that was uplifting. coming up, a warning from the senate's majority leader from the nation's most infamous cattle rancher. harry reid's message for cliven bundy coming up next on "the five."

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united states government versus the nevada rancher, cliven bundy and bundy with the backing of a grassroots swell from freedom fighters and a slew of t vx cameras sufle got the feds to back down. harry reid has a warning. >> it's not over. we cannot have an american people who violate the law and walk away from it. >> cliven bundy was on hannity last night and responded this way. >> i don't have a response for harry reid but i have a response for every sheriff across the united states. every county sheriff across the united states disarm the federal bureaucrat, take the bureau -- federal united states bureaucrats guns away. >> i don't think there's any hope for him.

he needs to be kick out of office even if he is a senate majority leader. >> there's a lot of issues here. where do you fall on this, bob? >> it's not over and they are going to have to do something to get this done. not only are there 16,000 people who use federal land and pay their fees but the nevada cattlemen's association which represent all the state, do not support bundy. he's got to change the law that says that grazing land belongs to the state of negative next. it was tried before and wasn't passed. it won't pass again. >> they are going after this bundy guy for a couple hundred thousand of bucks. they are millions of illegals coming over day spending our tax

money every day. >> one of the bundy fellows actually said something, nailed it on the head, said reid should be out of office. it's not about cow boys, it's about candidates. you don't win these battles, . u if you guys want to change the landscape, you've got to find candidates who can win and then you don't have to worry about harry reid. that's the problem. we don't want to focus too much on this battle. we should see that the bigger battle is at the ballot box. >> and dana, shouldn't harry reid should be weighing on this especially what we know not only about his son, some rumors of his son doing some deals in china. >> i know. i've read nothing that says definitively from a credible

source that there is a connection and i think that people have -- he works at beyond, but he was confirmed by the united states senate 71 to like 20. i think he's got bipartisan support and there are good staffers out there. i think wishful thinking is one of the conservatives biggest enemies and in this case, harry reid can't help himself. i don't think he should have used that tone. i think he could have said i appreciate that the white house and the interior department and the governor and the cattlemen are all working together to reach a solution. good-bye. instead, he has to be mr. tough guy with black glasses and antagonize people further just as everybody had worked together to kind of back off the situation and allow the courts to do what they are going to do with the situation. >> i saw napolitano earlier. they should garnish the estate, when mr. bundy passes away.

they can take what they are owned. >> it seems to me like the government wanted to provoke. i know he didn't pay his fees and they have been patient with him but seizing the cattle in the most dramatic fashion. >> during calving season. >> i don't think it's a winning issue for harry reid. i know why it's being -- why would he sick his nose in something that just from a p.r. perspective does not look right. it looks like the government is bullying this cattle farmer mr. bundy, i'm very sympathetic with. he's trying to make a living. he's got to change the law. it's not okay to break the law if you don't like it. >> i don't feel sorry for the guy at all. he's a tax dodge. he ought to be subpoenaed and indicted. the fact of the matter is people

who don't want to see this happen -- >> you know what they are saying about al sharpton. he owes $1.9 million and the president went to an event praising him. take his cattle? what about about al sharpton? >> where are you on amnesty for illegal immigrants? >> i'm for a program that -- >> why do you keep bringing these things in here? this has nothing to do -- >> they are tax dodgers also. >> you no he who uses -- you know who uses most illegal aliens? are ran chers and tax -- farmers. >> first of all, they do pay a lot of sales tax and they also work. >> don't you think this is a little harsh, seizing of the cattle with all the cameras there. >> no. they have gone on 20 years for

this guy. >> bob, it seems like they are deliberately provoking. >> you can't let this guy running rough shod. >> you know who is laughing right now? the tortoise. they have a very weird laugh. you can hear it at night. >> we leave it right there. ahead president obama talks to comrade vlad about the ukraine. should he stop talking and start taking action next.

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in eastern ukraine. yesterday, president obama spoke on the phone with vladimir putin about his country's support for militia members. the us white house says he expressed grave concern. over the weekend a russian fighter jet flew over a war ship. >> is there a sense of the administration and the european capitals in which you are collaborating and dealing with, what is going on is not working? whatever signals you are sending they are not being heeded or misread and this entire approach to not escalate isn't working? >> no, major, because the premise of the question is based on the notion that all the united states ever has to do when something happens in the world that we don't like is say stop it and they will stop. >> bob, by all accounts, tensions are very high and on either side there could be a

miscalculation and a provocation that could escalate this into actual warfare, civil war in ukraine. what do you think? >> well, first of all, i think a couple of things here we should take note of and that is the unrest in the ukraine itself or these pro russian demonstrators that putin had the gall to ask president obama to put a stop to the protesters. they sent john brennan who is the head of the cia over the weekend. we're going to move beyond economic sanctions into more military oriented, giving ukraine military capability that they may need, whether it's for anti helicopter missiles or other kinds of things. it's time i think now to escalate in terms of military action within the ukraine itself and let the ukraine army take care of it. >> agreeing -- greg, do you think it was?

>> i think it was a retreat. burying your head in the sand doesn't make the ocean go away. putin saw that opportunity. he saw the president as a beta-male and he took advantage of it and old beliefs diehard. if you think that america was a bad guy in the 70s and the 80s, you think you are going to change your mind, i'm not talking about putin. >> ah-ha. i get it. eric, let me ask you about an info surge. the ci axt john brennan was -- one of the concerns was united states is not sharing information. you have pro russian forces there. it was actually vladimir putin who made the request to have a phone call last night. from communications strategy, they are outfoxing it. >> they are. i think america is divided on

this. there are a couple float around, it's not right left divided. it's how you see where our foreign policy should be. i think obama is playing this the right way. i think he's keeping his distance. you know, what's going on -- >> but they are argue that they are not. >> who is? >> the white house argues that their policy is working. that's what jay carney is saying. >> i agree with them. >> you agree that their policy is working. but do you disagree what the policy is from their perspective? >> i don't disagree what they are doing. if western europe is not involved and germany isn't involved -- >> the point is white house says they are involved, heavily involved and doing the right things. >> maybe you are surprised to hear me say that, but even with the unrest that's going on within ukraine, that's not russian forces. russian forces are on the border. they are not entering ukraine doing this. this is happening from within.

>> these are russian agents doing the work in the ukraine. >> sent there by vladimir putin himself. >> andrea, let me ask you if you think that on the intel side of things, should we unleash google and twitter and be the voice where vladimir putin has shut down access to free information? >> i'm not sure he cares about that. ultimately, yes, he's winning the p.r. battle, he wants to take over the former soviet countries. twitter doesn't care him. i do not think obama should be involved with the russian issue but i do disagree what they have done up to this point. if you look at the reagan handled, he put intermediate missiles in. they tawsed aside their defense

budgets. we're going to stay here and work on ourselves, we're more flexible with you guys. we're cutting our defense budget and focusing on the welfare state. i think up until now the president has failed. the ukraine is a fairly western country. because of a if he can -- feckle feckless eu and -- >> i've got to correct you on just one thing, i -- i hate to do it, those intermediate missiles go there in 79 and 80, they did not go there because of president reagan. >> harold brown did that. he was the secretary of defense. >> the point is this feud was supposed to be behind us because of peace through strength. we put out a vi saj that was

intimidating. the reset button reset the cold war. this is stuff we shouldn't be worrying about. >> i think there is a middle ground and last november when -- in the united states when we were working on ourselves and we were working -- the president was working on the fact that his website for the health care bill had completely crash, that was when the ukrainians actually voted forrian for their president. we didn't do enough to help them at that point and now we're at this point. >> russian is a feckless ineffective country. >> the huge goal was to get them back off and he got his way. so on a global stage, putin is winning and we're not. >> everything except the ukraine. >> that's what really scares

him, bob. that's what really frightens him and we waived -- waved our hand and said we don't know. >> it sends a message to every other scary world leader like iran that we have a very wimpy administration. all right. still to come on "the five" boston and the nation remembers the victims of the marathon bombing, one year to the day, that's next.

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the land of the free and the home of the brave ♪ a day of rememorandum brans in boston today, where exactly one year ago, bombs went off during the city's marathon killing 3 and injuring more than 260. vice president biden visited earlier. the 2014 maraa-thon will take place on monday. are we any safer one year later from these attacks? dana, i'm going to go to you on this. the chances of terrorists aren't as great as they used to. president bush did a great job

bolstering our security. with the internet, this radical neutralization, are we more susceptible? >> i think it's hard to say and we have to put our trust in the government and the men and women in uniform and also in civilian or intel operations to try to keep us safe. the lone wolf is the one that's most dangerous. they might not be able to pull off huge attacks with thousands of casualties. a domestic terrorist attack occurred during a major event, aside from the initial coverage, it's something that people have sort of forgotten about. what are we doing? if the lone wolf is the biggest threat, what are we doing to track down people like the tsarnaev brothers to prevent these atanks?

>> one of the reasons we didn't get the brothers correctly someone working in intelligence they did not spell their name correctly. you've been pretty vocal about how the administration has approached capturing terrorists by spying on americans. do you think that's the right way to go? >> look, here's what i think. i think we need to beef up the way we find these home grown cells. we have to go on the internet. as long as -- you are looking for the right people. like we've talk about before, i don't want to get into this whole discussion tonight, i don't believe there should be a drag net all over america. here's the scary thing though. when a guy puts together a bomb in a pressure cooker and leaves it and it blows off, it's just never not going to happen. the sad part, we live in an open

society which is perfect. bob and i went to the super bowl, it took an hour and a half to get through security. and we had passes. it took three hours to get through security if you were just showing up for the game. that's the sad reality we have going forward. >> the conversation since boston has not been an honest one about radical islam. even as recently today, msnbc decided to highlight some of the hobbies of the terrorists instead of warning americans about the dangers of radical islam. >> we're going to take a look at the people behind this tsarnaev. >> in america, people play football, basketball. in dagestan, they wrestle and do marshall arts. fighting is a way of life. for a few people here, so is extremism. >> so it's not radical islam.

it's wrestling. we're not susceptible to terrorism, we're susceptible to idiots. over time, we have to remember the victims. take a movie like bonnie and collide. we have to remember the victims. you have to be steadfast against the bob culture that flips the scripts. that's why cop killers are cool. that's why "rolling stone" puts a terrorist on the cover because he looks like a member of one direction. my feeling is we're not feeling susceptible to danger but susceptible to d bags. >> you commented on how we gloifed these terrorists. highlighting maybe their high kicks. you've taken "rolling stone" to

task. >> i think what we're hearing here. i think you should probably give president obama and his administration pretty good marks for keeping terrorism out. there's not been a major electricity attack on the united states. there's been home grown terrorist attacks. these various muslim groups like cair and others, it is not difficult to identify somebody who is, you know, isolated, who is mad with the united states. that's where the future is. the future is finding people like these brothers to do these kinds of acts because al qaeda is no longer in a position to attack the united states. >> before you take the vicry lap for president obama, what he has done is using the same infrastructure that was put in by president bush. >> it would be nice if the president could give president bush some credit.

ahead on "the five," do americans work to hard? the aps is yes. bob thinks so. he wants us to get on board europe and that's up next.

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here in america, we work too hard. i'm a case in point. many of us are glued to our black berries long after we leave the office. did you know in france there's a new law that allows citizens to ignore emails after 6:00 p.m.? that's my kind of law. i think europe has got the right idea. but the folk over at cadillac might disagree. >> why do we work so hard? for this? for stuff? other countries, they work, they stroll home and they stop by the cafe, they take august off, off, why aren't you like that? as for all the stuff, that's the upside for taking only two week off in august?

>> i can't get that guy out of my head. it was tried here once kellogg company who made cereal decided to go to work four days a week. why not give it a try? >> was that in the 1880s. >> no, it was in the 40ses. >> what's two week off like? >> i don't know. >> you got to be kidding. >> everyone around here. greg takes his time -- he's working when he takes the day off? >> he is? >> i agree. why does america always want to adopt the policies of the people we beat? that's all we do. the sweden thing, those are politicians, those are government guys who are getting their hours cut back. >> what if they took six weeks, and they were working, get more

productivity and doing a better job? >> it would be nice to have that luxury. baby boomers -- we are watching the decline of a former great empire in france. >> sweden is ranked number one in virtual every coring of quality of life. you worked from 6 to 6:00 in the morning, doing restaurant work and look at you. >> if i didn't work now, i think i would go crazy, but every time i hear these stories about european countries cutting back on worth, we should be rejoicing. i look at france, they have that new disconnect law, who would hire somebody that can shut off and -- whenever they want. >> wouldn't you want to stop listening to these nincompoops emailing you after 6:00. >> i would love it, but i will

never be successful if i did it. >> you are talking about our bosses? they are the one who are emailing. >> rather than emulating a 40-hour workweek. we should look at the chinese, those people kick our butt. there aren't labor laws, and there are minimum wages. >> that's what we should have labor unions and no minimum wage. they work for a dollar a day. >> there's nothing more satisfying than a hard day's work. >> this is why i only drink after i work. you have to be rewarded for the hard work you do. you can't sit around and drink. you got to work. >> that is true. >> the more i work, the more i drink. >> don't you write like four paragraphs and you can have a drink. >> there's nothing wrong for coming in at 11:00 in the

morning and working two hours and going home. it's a long day.

it's time for one more thing. >> dana's one more thing. can't way to see that one. >> last friday, i did a speech for the national ocean. i'm getting on the plane. i took an airplane selfie. as i'm sitting there, she's sitting right behind me, she says i love ""the five." twice she said it during the flight. i think getting off the flight i'm getting my bag, she puts

something in hi hand. i get all the way back to fox, i reach in my pocket to find out what she put in my hand. show a picture of it please, picture. guys. u.s. federal air marshall, sitting behind me. 28 years old. pretty girl. you have no idea who the air marshalls. >> why did she sit behind you? >> she might not have been a marshall. she may have been a real fun gal. >> with handcuffs. >> you want to see this video from the fine brothers entertainment, this is from the clip from the hit on line series called "react" this is from a kid who for the first time in their lives see a walkman. >> what is this thing? >> i have no idea what it is.

>> what is this? >> what do i do? press play? >> i don't know what it is. >> do you know what it is used for? >> walkie-talkie. >> use t a boom box. wait, wait, wait. it's a cassette player, right. >> this afternoon as fun as i thought it was going to be. but i've had a walkman. >> those kids are really stupid, is that what they are saying? these kids are stupid. that's terrible, dana. oh, let's make fun of dumb kids. bob. >> last night one of rare moon events occurred, it was the blood moon. i happened to see about 3:00 in the morning. >> you were walking home. >> i was walking home, right. it was when the earth's shadow moves in front of the full moon and it turns red. dana was asleep about 8:30. >> very different from the other full moons you see.

>> yes. i howl at those. >> andrea. >> for those of you who are getting excited about a 40-year ac/dc anniversary, there is reports that malcolm young is sick. brian johnson came out one of our guys was pretty ill earlier this year but one source close to the band says these are just rumors but we come malcolm is doing well. >> one of the greatest bands ever. >> they scared me. >> i could see you being scared. >> highway to hell. >> it is wednesday april 16th and a snow weather alert in some reeges after a rare spring

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>> i am heather childers. thank you for statirting your d with us. moments of déjà vu in boston. two unattended backpacks were found at the finish line on the one year anniversary of the boston marathon bombing. one man is in custody and bomb squads safely detonated both backpacks. >> police found a rice cooker in one of the bags. it was filled with confetti. a barefoot man yelling boston strong was arrested. >> boston strong. >> police did not identify him but they do say he did appear to be mentally stable. he faces charges including carrying a hoax device. with the marathon coming they are taking all cases seriously. this comes on a