hello, everybody i'm dana perino along with kimberly guilfoyle, bob beckle, greg gutfeld, and eric boling. it's new york city and this is "the five" after more than two decades, "the new york times" is reporting that the changes are so thorough that they could mask the true effects of obamacare on insurance coverage. you might remember back in 2009, the white house shifted control of the census to the west wing. >> census bureau thing is a very

bad thing. for the white house to step in and first time that the president of the united states, chief of staff is going to have direct oversight and supervision of the census raises questions. >> those concerns were dismissed repeatedly by the administration. >> the president understands the benefit of an accurate and independent census count and i think the american people can be assured that's what they will get. >> you won't politicsized the census. >> absolutely not. we want the census that reflects as accurately as possible the true population of this country. >> were conservatives wrong to be paranoid? >> census, more like noncensus. am i right america? the census wouldn't change its questions to help obama. a government agency trying to

retain government power. or the media pushed off news on benghazi so obama would be reelected. this is as intentional as a moon landing. they didn't cook the books. they actually nuked them. >> why would this matter if the census professionals think they need to change the questions so they are more accurate, why not do it? >> you can get the result you want based on the question. bob is a big pollster. they have cook the books on who is paid. who is young who is sienged up, they cook the books on who is medicaid versus actual enrollee, and the audacity, the only loser ask why it matters is american

people. when is all said and done, someone is going to have to pay for all those medicaid recipients, the few people who signed up, what do you do? you have to write the check. the treasury department is going to have to write the check to pay for all those costs for obamacare. that's why it matters. >> it is unusual for the counsel at the white house to meddle with and create questions for the census to ask. does that cross a line in your world? >> first of all, i'm amazed how many cooks there are in the white house. there are a questions -- a number of other questions about the census have gone on for year and year well before obama was in office. this issue about who was insured and uninsured was before bem was in office. it was used exactly for business purposes. if they had a much more

widespread use, it would be the proper base to write it off. >> kimberly, there's the census, one of the things that we argue in the lead-up to obamacare, that the 45 million who were uninsured who would all of a sudden get insurance because of obamacare implementation. i think that there's enough concern here for -- that's warranted on the merits. >> i think you are absolutely right and they should be concerned actually. the concern shouldn't be coming from the outside, it should be come from within. they should be accurate especially where finances are concerned. >> the numbers actually -- >> the cause from this administration to be concerned about. >> apples to apples comparison

to actually work in their favor. i think it's unlikely but it could. >> what was your assumption that it was right to begin with? >> may i? >> yes, ples. >> president obama went to the american people and said this will not cost one single dime to the deficit. >> back it up. >> do you remember that? well the latest numbers are almost $2 trillion in ten years. >> aren't the insurance companies very happy with obamacare? >> that, i don't know about. >> apple can't be thrilled about $2 trillion. the census is helping to bury the rotting corpse of obamacare and the media will be the accessory to this to say there's nothing to see here. if you can't keep score, there's no way you can lose. >> that's true.

okay. do a second -- >> obamacare-related, last year we talk about the resignation about health and human services kathleen sebelius, there was rumor that she might decide for senate there, bob, i think that's unlikely. you are closely to the democrats, what do you think? >> thinking about it. it's a pipe dream. her favorability there is 35% -- >> she was a governor, let's remember. >> there hasn't been a democratic senator in that state for four decades. >> what have you done for me lately? >> if roberts were to get upset by a tea party candidate, she can't wait for that to happen, she has to file before it happens. i can't imagine it's true. >> is this how obamacare may affect the races? >> what she's doing is she got

asked to leave, she says you know what, fine, i'm going to leave. i'm going to run for the senate. every democratic is going now, kathleen sebelius is going to run for the senate. she's going to obamacare right to the table. that's what they don't want. they got they got a win with the 7.1 million enrollees. >> would you encourage her to run in kansas? >> yes. because she's got such an amazing personal. she just glows. no sebelius is irish for incompetent so bad you should seek shelter immediately. she's a tornado. a stoic failure. it raises the question, what does it take to be considered not eligible for politics. we need a term called the sebelius curve. if you actually approach her level of idiocy, you get a

resort. you get beach front property in boca raton. >> she getting more heat than they deserves. she didn't write obamacare. that was pelosi and obama. >> she's a disaster. prjob. she was supposed to oversee it. it was supposed to be ready for prime time. it does rest on her shoulders. that was her description. now if you want to reward failure, in my opinion, run for a spot. run, kathy. >> the problem is obamacare, you are bearing it already. let me tell you why she should not run in that state. there's a good chance that the democrats could get the governor's mapgs back. if she's on the ballot, that's not going to be -- >> i've said this from the beginning, i think there will be

an effective obamacare. i don't think it's going to be a disaster like you think. i think it could drag on the ticket. >> you said she didn't -- your premise was well she didn't really write it. so she was only really responsible for implementing it, and she bungled that amazingly. $700 million and they signed up less than 2 million people, if that's what you need to do a u.s. senator, there's a lot of conservatives that shouldn't be in the running. >> i think it was a trial balloon. i think it isn't real. >> the trial balloon was the hindenburg.

last week, awful things our cat stevens made it into the ro rock and roll hall of fame. now stevens became islam in 1978 after converting to his last name and the hall of fame praised change. who can measure the courage it took him in the late 70s to convert to islam, amitt the wave of turmoil and confusion that was end golfing the world? the ie atold la wanted rushdie dead. the hall of frame praises a

fool. islam ma phobia, we shame the victim, not the victimizer, if you ask me what's worse, cat's music. lastly it was reported red hot chili peppers music if you can call it that was used to torture detainees of the cia. flea is furious. anything we can do that to stop that, we will. i hope that means retirement. so if you -- what kind of music would you choose to torture somebody with? >> well, if red hot chili peppers works. i'm all for it. >> they should be proud they are helping their country. >> i enjoy their music, so that's great, but apparently detainees or bad guys don't. >> if terrorists don't like your music, that should be a good thing. . it's like a good housekeeping

seal of approval. >> i know, eric, this hits you hard. you are a red hot chili peppers fan. >> big fan. yeah. instead, i would -- i agree with this list of other bands that would torture terrorists, anything by barry man i know. i -- manilow. i agree that. barney. bob hates barney. >> yeah, the dinosaur. >> he should have been shot a long time ago. >> if i was in jail -- beatles music. >> if the beatles were now, it would be like one direction and you would hate it. >> no, that's not true. >> even if their first two or three songs, you don't take into account the white out. one thing, open ra or any rap

music. >> also and heavy metal for me. >> heavy metal is the most honest music on the planet. >> i would spill the beans in half a second if they started playing heavy metal. >> i will pick sting. i love the police but i hate sting. >> why don't they just play like justin bieber? >> that would be annoying. >> should the rock and roll hall of fame should have included him, even though he's kind of distanced himself. >> he's less vocal, he's a milder meeker person at this point, you can't degrade his ability or talent or his music, i would like to think as a free thinking country that you can have somebody put in the hall of fame based on merits regardless

of their personal beliefs. >> although, cat stevens music is terrible. >> i can't name a single song. >> it's what you played on a date to get a girl to make out with you. >> wow. learn something every day on "the five" about our co-hosts. >> boling is loving living in the past. >> i think you are thinking about harry chaven. >> to your point, conservatives who claim that people like ali or condi rice when rutgers were complaining about her going to the university, people who complain that, should not complain about cat stevens given an award. why would you give up a name like cat stevens? >> to a similar topic, the new york police department zpanded a

special unit made to detect terror threats in the muslim communities. eric, i think it's a casualty of islamaphobia-phobia. >> the thing going back and forth between the nypd and new jersey and the fbi was trying to get involved and all that. they thought it was not worling worth the negative pr and i'm sure cair was right there cheering right along. i'm very much fourth amendment, when you have a threat to americans, these groups are threatening americans and have killed a lot of americans, i'm all for it, tap it. if you don't have a singular threat, find out, take a broader net and grab a bunch. >> i was against this project when i first heard about it a year ago. i changed my opinion on it.

based on the fact that there's 15 million muslims here on visa and never showed up to college. >> de blasio, this reform is a critical step forward in easing tensions. i hate the phrase easing tensions. >> he doesn't say he hates the phrase easing tensions. >> i hate it. easing tensions is a means translate into appeasing -- sorry i lost my way in easing tweenctions the police and the kmuns that they serve, so the cops, they are called police, and our citizens can help one another go after the real bad guys. >> they are afraid of the real bad guys. he doesn't know what he's talking about. he doesn't have any experience whatsoever in this community policing and what they do with this program. good luck, let's see how this turns out. the only vote of confidence i can say is bill bratten, in los angeles -- he's going to be overseeing the department in

general. perhaps they don't do it under the guise of this organization or group of 28 team members. perhaps they will do it in another group. in some other way, they are going to look for leads. i'm confident it's not going to be undetected. >> i'm surprised that he would announce that yesterday on the anniversary of the boston marathon bombing. we won't know the implications of this for many years and it will be too late. >> unless the fieb said we'll take care of this. we got this. remember there was an issue between the fbi and the new york police department. >> they are closer to it because community policing and on target, but just so you know, your friends at the nsa are watching you. so they are doing it too. >> if you believe as i do that the next serious attack on the united states is from people who are already here, then we talk about that other day that more

than likely you have terrorists here that are getting influenced here to do their job then i this i that makes all the more reason to look into it. >> by the way, the police don't like those details. i mean, hanging out in community centers all day and mosques. >> and having to eat lamb. >> yeah. i hate lamb. >> i love lamb. i always have it on my birthday. >> the smell of lamb. >> why don't you? >> and chickpeas. >> you mean hummus. >> and in cultural sensitivity. >> grape leaves. >> there you go. >> eric, have you ever -- >> you are talking about greek food now. >> have you ever heard anthony order a sandwich. mayo, and tomato, and pimento.

coming up, michael bloomberg, $50 million. what is the name of that song? snow. i wouldn't know because i'm a faith no more fan. >> i just got it. >> faith no more what. >> bloomberg's $50 million war against the nra and he thinks it will get him into heaven. we'll talk, next.

former new york mayor michael bloomberg lick to take things from people, big gull ps, gretz, and now guns. he is taking $50 million out of his own bank account to take the

guns out of the hands of america. >> this isn't gun control, this is simply making sure that people should no be allowed to buy a gun, criminals, minors, people with psychiatric problems, make sure they can't buy guns. nobody is going to take anybody's gun away, nobody is going to keep you from hunting organize target practice or protecting yourself. it's just making sure that a handful of people shouldn't have guns don't get their hands on it. >> i'm all for -- it's your money, he earned it. he made himself. spend the way you like. the difference when a guy like david koch does it, he's unamerican. bloomberg does it, it's great job mayor. thank you. >> i think his heart is the right place, but is he putting his money in the right spot? the rules and laws on the books to prevent people from getting guns from getting them. as you well know, if up a gun,

you are going to find a way to go around the rules and break them and find a way to get a weapon, so i'm not sure that his $50 million is best spent in this direction. i can think of a lot of other ways he could use it. >> bobby, you are shaking your head. >> i applaud the mayor. i said 15 million, but it's 150,000. i think what bloomberg is talking about here. he's not trying to take people's away, but trying to keep the hands out of people who shouldn't have them. in virginia, if you have psychiatric problems there's no law that says you can't buy a gun. witness what happened at virginia tech by that fruitcake who bought guns legally. nra needs some competition. i know they -- i said he was bed canadian, i know you changed my opinion on that slightly, i

would like to see a birth certificate, if i could. >> i'm not sure bob is not exactly right. not only talking about this 15,000, and 15 million muslims. >> he said there's a lot of p.r. consultants are very excited thinking they are going to keep their hands on $50 million so they can keep their pyramid schemes going. he earn the money, he wants to spend it all the time. but it harry reid going to go to the floor of the senate and say 150 times how unamerican it is for someone to spend their personal hard earned money on an issue they care about like they did for the koch brothers. if i had that much money, i would spend it differently. i would focus on veterans, special those with ptsd, and i also would do something and

bloomberg could do it well, something for the long-term unemployed. >> you want to do this, you want to do what he said later? >> he took his security police detail with him after leaving his job. he doesn't need a gun when he has that kind of detail packing for him. he's like a nudist accusing you of exhibitionism. he lives in a gun bubble. he's surrounded by guns. his life is not a gun-free zone. the more money he throws at it, gun control groups outspend gun rights groups 7 to 1 on tv ads. and a lot of it has to do with -- >> quickly point out that the people on this committee with him are tom ridge who was home land security adviser under george w. bush, and admiral mike

mullens under george w. bush. this is not a bunch of fruit cakes trying to take away guns. -- >> i think we have -- we have a full screen, i'm going to put up. i think this is probably a lot of motivation right here. bloomberg says if there is a god when i get to heaven, i'm not stopping to be interviewed. i'm heading straight in. i have earned my place in heaven. it's not even close. >> that is so wow. >> the guy has got something like $30 billion. it seems to me like he's trying to shore up his legacy. >> one of the things they look for in the checklist, are you bracking -- bragging about getting into heaven that would be so -- >> you are talking about the club in the village. the heaven. it's really hard to get into. >> you just walk right in.

>> well, you know what -- >> it's weird that he would say it. here's the thing that gets me about it, if he's going to do that and says if there is a god, i'm not sure if you should be talking about heaven if you don't believe there's a god. >> and then saying you are getting in. >> a lot of you people say around the table, it's weird. >> i thought you were not supposed to mixing religion and politics. >> they had a wonderful rollout. he sounds perfectly reasonable on the show. most people are going to agree with it. he has to go that one step further, one more thing, and he says that, what in the world -- >> you know why you don't talk past the sale? >> exactly. >> don't -- don't ever. >> i have to give him credit for one thing. he's consistent. he's consistent in the sense that he's not just going -- he's not going after the nra, which

i -- you know, criticize. he also was for stop and frisk, so he has adapted his anti -- he's adapted his anti gun stance in most areas where he's not cherry picking the way a lot of people do. i have to give him credit. >> can i have one of those little sayings? you never hear about a mass shooting at a gun show. all right next. it's one of the biggest stories of the century. they want to tell a story -- a serial killer sherman gosnell and stop by and tell us why. if i ever get that out.

he is one of the world's biggest serial killers, abortion doctor kermit gosnell ran a house of horrors in philadelphia. he was convicted last year of killing babies born alive. except for some brave actors like justified nick sear si who is accepting out. you may not have heard of kermit gosnell but he is the most prolific killer in american history. he killed hundreds of babies, perhaps thousands in a 30-year killing spree. that's why i'm so glad my friends are making this film. they are jurmts jurmts and -- journalists and film makers. >> as you know, i did cover the case and the story for "the five" here and sitting in at the trial so this is something i speak of from personal experience having witnessed

these horrors up on the screen and the testimony from the medical examiner, i think it's an important film and you have also kevin sorebo who made a youtube video about it. they have raised $825,000. holiday -- hollywood will they be reacceptive. at the time, we were one of few places actually covering it, dana, you saw this story was being talked about. >> you were down there, and i remember fox covered it and then eventually some of the mainstream media tried to cover it and i understand, it is a very hard story to tell. it's not something i would run out and go and see, but i do admire people who want to try and get this story out. there are way to raise money or things. kick starter is where they went

to get the funding. they thought they were being sensored by kick starter. hollywood does a lot of movies about a lot of things that are based in reality. this is a story we as americans need to witness. >> we're one of the ones who covered it and did the documentary. fox news went through the details and witnesses and brought it to life. >> it's a tough subject to cover. it's a hard subject to put on film, i'm guessing. i think -- this story needs to be told but that said, i think that's exactly the way you do it. it's called crowd funding and uj put it out there and people come and they donate. they believe in the cause. there are a couple of movies with similar type of -- >> funding mechanism. >> but also the editorial on it is so intense that movie studios

tend to stay away. great way to make a movie though if they are staying away. >> the this thing is, it's a brutal topic so was rwanda, so is the holocaust. the reason that they don't do this, it's not because the evil is so gre tesk. -- grotesque. it's because it's too close to the pro choice mind set. not to say that pro choice people are for this, but it rubs people the wrong way when they hear this. that's my feeling. >> i had a hard time believing it's that much mixed up in politics. how many people would actually go and see this? >> it's a fair point. >> or on tv. >> but you have documentaries about capitalism and corporations, michael moore has

made a living exposing these things. why not this? >> the great things is competition, you have lots more options as a film maker and also a consumer. >> i'm for that. the center stage for have to be the operating room, that would be the only -- you have to tell a story, you have to tell it that way. >> maybe i'm wrong but the only time an abortion doctor has been in a movie it's been in a favorable way that i can remember. >> it's important to get both sides out there. people should inform themselves and understand exactly what's involved in the process and what stage and gestational age. people had long term beliefs changed after seeing the horror committed. >> wasn't there a film made about someone killing abortion doctors? >> you don't have to crowd fund

to get something like that done. ventt venttle. should alcohol should be allowed at gun ranges? well, one shooting range in oklahoma just applied for a liquor license. bob has got some thoughts about that. stay with

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. in my favorite state of oklahoma, a shooting range is trying to get a liquor license to serve alcohol on site, mixing guns and booze, the co-owner claims the two won't mix. go ahead, jeff. prove that. >> as a group, we wanted to build a place the first one in oklahoma, where you could come in, shoot, go to the cafe area, and any misconceptions, aside, beer and bullets, they don't mix. once you order a drink, your

license is red flagged, you are not allowed into any of the facilities and certainly as a shooter for the remaineder of the day. >> you know, what bob. >> only in oklahoma. are you kidding me because people have who guns drink a lot. i don't know. i don't think that's necessarily true. you have a pro business guy. >> i've a pro business guy and also a pro gun guy and i like to drink. let me explain something, the safest place is in the gun range. if you are going to have a gun, be in a gun range. there's security around. i would venture nothing bad is going to happen. now, if someone brings a gun into a bar where it's a completely different environment and surroundings, that may not be a good idea. >> they are allowed to do that in gun states in texas. you can take a gun into a bar. that makes a lot of sense. >> but it's his business, so he's going -- they are going to

be highly motivated to make sure that it works, i think the private sector does a job for that. what i don't understand if you are for legalization in marijuana in one state colorado, what's wrong with this guy, suggesting there would be controls on a way to grow his business. >> if they were smoking dope and they had guns, they probably wouldn't use them. >> there's . smokers. >> here in oklahoma, they are introducing guns into -- alcohol into a gun range and in other places, they bring guns to bar. that's called chicago. it's not like a bowling alley. this is basically what i would call red neck chum for northern folk who like to rag on the south. >> uh-huh.

>> i think it's -- what do you think? i was part of the old couldn't fed ras si. >> i think it is a dangerous proposition. i'm going to say that. >> but i actually think that it's a safer proposition than what people are probably doing when it's not allowed. >> are you saying because it's regulated? >> what about these legislationers who pass guns in texas where you can carry a gun into a bar? >> a lot of guys go there to meet women and someone else is meeting your woman and you get mad. the bar is a place where there are a lot of fights. this is different. this is a gun range. you go there to practice your target. you practice shooting your weapon. and you can also have a beer. >> i'm going to say how close this story came in my previous life. >> you mean this life? >> is that how you hurt your hand? >> no, no.

>> it was angry husbands and guns in bars. anybody else have anything else to say about this topic also in the great state in oklahoma, do i have enough time for this. okay. good. the great state of oklahoma, the governor wants to pass a law that says you can't raise minimum wage in your own city if you want to. various cities in oklahoma are talking about raising the minimum wage if you want to. this governor, falen, how anybody is going to criticize this republican woman governor? how dare a liberal would do that? i'm squlus doing what liberals do to conservatives. you confuse by more ricky bobby. that's what liberals do to conservatives. you start calling people names. >> i'm not calling people names. >> i think there's a reason that

oklahoma has the lowest unemployment reasons in the -- rates in the country. >> all of these people, if a locality wants to raise the minimum wage, so what. >> if they want to serve beer at their gun range, so what? >> governor of the state, they choose not to raise the minimum wage. >> but it would be at the state level. they should decide. >> the only bad thing about oklahoma is the musical. >> ♪ oklahoma. >> one more thing is up next. >> thanks.

time for one administer thing, bob. >> you got to hard time believing this.

kentucky fried chicken has a new ad out for prom season. so cool. >> it's so wonderful. >> it sort of reminds me as one of my former prom dates. it's really not looking like that. they give you a coupon or something. to advertise it like that, who in their right mind would do something else? >> it's smart enough to get on "the five." >> i would totally eat it. i would actually go to the prom if they got me that. >> one more thing. greg is next. >> i got back from my bus tour out of 31 cities in ten days. i want to thank you everybody. i found out i have a new audience, prisoners are reading the book they have learned from their mistakes from this book that it's being cool is what got

them in prison. go to amazon and buy the book. go to gutfeld.com if you want it signed. >> kimberly. any way, so you know that lord of the famous singer and her song royals was actually based on a third baseman george brett from the royals. she saw him in the picture with the word royals across and giving autographs. they asked to meet them and they got this picture -- >> there's no way that she wrote this song about george brett. >> no, she saw the word across his chest and she was inspired and love the world. >> i'm skeptical. >> very important, fox is launching a brand new noon show. it's four girls, one guy and it's called right there, outnumbered and guess who the

stars are going to be. kimberly guilfoyle, our own kimberly is going to be one of the out numberers. harris faulkner, andrea tantaros, kirs teen -- kirsten powers. >> they are not leaving "the five." i want to say happy birthday to my dad, leo perrino. greg found this cupcake for you. >> it's actual size. >> my dad said -- sent all of the peeps that the in the green room. don't forget to set your >> as tape 17th. hundreds are missing in a deadly ferry accident. the captain is under

investigation. a bombshell evidence in the irs scandal. lois lerner is speaking to the political department about going after politicians days after testifying. >> if your child was bullying would you tell them not to become sore losers? one teacher is under fire for teaching kids just that. "fox & friends first" starts right now. ♪ >> good morning. you are watching "fox & friends first" on this thursday morning. >> i am ainsley earhardt. >> i am heather childers.

>> this morning the captain at the center of the ferry investigation is being questioned by authorities after the coast guard said the ship didn't schedule the followed route. this comes as thinker trying to find nearly 300 people that are still missing. the death toll rising to 9 including five high school students and two teachers on a school trip. many teenagers sending heartbreaking farewell text messages to their loved ones while rescue crews say there could be a possibility some are alive in air pockets but the frigid water temperatures would make that very difficult. >> there was a loud boom and a lot of shaking. a waitress describing the chaos inside a chinese restaurant in california after a fire truck came crashing through it. two fire trucks collided at an intersection as they were responding to a house fire. 15 people are now hurt including six of the