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starts now. breaking tonight, the most powerful man in the united states senate throws more fuel on the fire. in the showdown between the feds, rancher cliven bundy and his supporters. welcome to the "kelly file," everyone. i'm megyn kelly. the high-profile fight between a nevada rancher and federal ag t agents took a new twist as harry reid's son rory a democratic politician condemned the nature, the heated nature of this dispute. that saw americans staring down armed federal agents last weekend. listen here. >> what strikes me about this is how heated it's become. it seems to me there has to be someway to deescalate this. >> yes, there has to be. apparently, however, his own father didn't get the message because at an event in las vegas this afternoon, senator reid, that man's father blasted cliven bundy's supporters as domestic

terrorists. watch. >> these people who hold themselves out to be patriots are not. they are nothing more than domestic terrorists and i think we are a country that people should follow the law and what went up in maesquite is not ver good. they are domestic terrorists. >> my next gust was in the room when senator reid said that and just got off the phone with kevin bundy. he hosts a local afternoon radio show. good afternoon. i want the audience to know harry reid was quiet when it was going on and now it's over and his son said deescalate, harry reid is upping the antic. what else did he say? >> he's throwing fuel on the fire. he said cliven bundy has not paid his taxes. this is the same charge that was leveed against mitt romney

during the presidential campaign. i talked to cliven bundy less than an hour ago and says he has no back taxes to pay, he's fully paid up when it comes to taxes. he said in response to the charge of domestic terrorism, he says the real domestic terrorists is the blm that came in with up a weapons, 200 plus strong. he says they are the domestic terrorists, not him. >> so the grazing fees that cliven bundy didn't pay, that's not the same thing as taxes. so harry reid is leveling a new acquisition against mr. bundy that he doesn't pay taxes? >> exactly, in the same sentence he says he doesn't pay grazing fees and he doesn't pay his taxes. it's not a matter if he mistook one for the other. he used both in the same sentence. he's accusing cliven bundy of not paying his taxes. cliven bundy says that's just not true. >> with all due respect, what does anyone care what harry reid's son says about this? he called for cliven bundy to e

be -- using the terms like domestic terrorists? >> i'm not sure why people would care. rory reid does have his own tv show here in the market and as such, he's on tv every day or three, four days a week and the fact is a lot of people believe that he or one of the other reid brothers maybe apparent to harry reid if he decides to step down and leave the senate. >> big in nevada politics. thank you. >> thank you, megyn. joining me now, dennis michael lynch, a film maker on the ground at the ranch during the standoff with the agents. what do you make of it, domestic terrorists? >> i don't know where he's coming from. since i've been with you on monday, i've had more time to really sink in what took place. that man, i want an explanation from him. i want to know why it is that i had m 16s pointed at my face,

why those m 16s were pointed at women and children and hard-working ranchers. i want an explanation. because the more i keep on looking at my footage, that looked like afghanistan, and if there was anything that was domestic terrorism, it was per p -- pby the government, not the people. >> harry reid spoke about this when he talked about women and children and how they were used, he says, by the supporters of cliven bundy and what he accuses them of is a sheriff that came on fox news early they are week but here is mr. reid today. >> they had sniper rifles on the freeway. they had assault weapons. they had automatic weapons and as one of the former sheriffs said, women and children lined up because if anybody got hurt, they wanted them to get hurt because we wanted the federal government hurting women and

children. >> i was at the front of the front line. i heard nobody say that we were going to put women and children first. nobody said that. nobody said let's go forward with guns out. who is going to shoot that guy? who is going to shoot that guy? if you listen to the video that i have and gave you, everybody said let's be peaceful. at the same time i had a sense it was going to go in the wrong direction, not because of the people on my side but because of the people on the other side. if i can use your camera for one second, senator, i am calling you out right now on national television. i've called your office today. i'm going to call your office every day until you grant me an interview. i'm going to sit down like a poll lit businessman and i'm going to sit down and ask you one question, why did you point guns at the american people? it to protect turtles?

keep cows or was it for some other reason? because we don't work for you. you work for us. >> some people are suggesting that the harry reid had some stake in this whole matter and that he was against the rancher, cliven bundy for political purposes. he wanted the land for development and people that had his political pockets, none of which is substantiated but there is evidence of that out there. nonetheless, mr. reid is calling more attention to this. it was over. people were moving on. he keeps stoking this fire. >> right, and the main stream media will get behind him and now everybody on the other side so to say, democrats will sit there and say crazy tea partiers, crazy militia, crazy americans, come mess terrorists. you know how passionate i am of terrorism. i witnessed 9/11. i know what took place in boston. it is disrespectful for americans for that man to call these people terrors ed.

they want to get on with their lives. he's the terrorists as far as i'm concerned. >> not the first time. he called the tea party anarchy's. >> he's a terrorist -- >> you don't want to call harry reid a terrorist. >> i apologize but i'm not going to be afraid of harry reid. he's not greater than anybody else in this country. there has to be an explanation, megyn -- >> he does have a lot more power than the average american, certainly than the ones he's calling names tonight. dennis, good to see you. >> good to see you. senator reid said he's exploring possible charges against mr. bundy. >> he's exhausted his ability to go to court but now he contine . it's an issue that we cannot let go and just walk away from it. >> a former federal prosecutors and contributing editor. good to see you. so if harry reid does push for

some sort of charges against mr. bundy, what is likely to happen? because mr. bundy has had the law not on his side in this dispute, and yet, he seems to have been standing up on principle throughout this dispute. >> well, look, i don't think we can defend lawlessness. it seems clear to me looking at the case that he is in the wrong, at least as far as the statutes are concerned -- >> legally. >> the question is, the question is twofold number ones of prosecuting description, which the obama administration likes to talk about, this is proportionty of response. what is most disturbing of what happened today is the way we trivialized terrorism. this country is the victim of terrorism in recent memory, mass murder attacks to compare the people in nevada to terrorists

is just so beyond the pail to me, i just can't even wrap my brain around it. >> no, you actually used to put terrorists in jail for a living. >> real terrorss. >> and this is the same administration that will not refer to the fort hood massacre as terrorism. they say that was workplace violence and yet, they can look at these americans out there and call them terrorists with ease? >> yeah, look, we had eric holder when he was at the clinton justice department facilitated the pardons of faln terrorists and on the ground terroris terrorists. president obama has long connections to actual domestic terrorists who admit it. bill says guilty as sin, free as a bird. they back the must almost brother hood in egypt and issued a visa to the blind shakes terror organization so he could come to the white house and

consult on the future of egypt. maybe it's -- maybe there is rational explanations but to get whipped up about terrorism in the wake of what has gone on in nevada after this pattern of behavior with people who are actually either mass murderers of people who plotted mass murder. i don't get it. >> we've been looking at this case all week and i've said, publicly, as a lawyer, i don't think cliven bundy has a legal leg to stand on in this dispute. you wrote an interesting post online agreeing with that principle and reaching that conclusion on your own, i should say but also suggesting that it would be -- he's in a tough situation. administration is in a tough situation here in part because public opinion is that they, too, have been very cavalier about certain laws. >> right. our respect for the rule of law depends on our acceptance of the

proposition the people in charge of executing the laws faithfully execute the laws as the president is obligated to do in the oath of office and constitution. if the public gets the sense that the administration itself is lawless, those whose mission is to carry out the law are themselves in violation of the law, they lose the credibility and the legit ma sto handle situations like in nevada. to listen to harry reid tonight, you know, talk about we have to have the rule of law, i've got two words for harry reid. uka mountain. the uka mountain facility is something that this nuclear storage facility that the obama administration and harry reid have basically flouted federal law in trying to frustrate the dc circuit court of appeals slapped them down a number of times because they won't compile with the law and a government that stops compiling with the law has an awful lot of trouble

enforcing the law against citizens. >> and claiming the moral high ground. andy, great to see you. >> thanks, megyn. also tonight with growing evidence that federal agencies may have worked together in targeting the president's political foes, we have dramatic new polling on what this means for the white house and one of america's biggest veteran groups is outraged tonight over a new york times column that ties them, this to hate groups and wipe supremacists. they join us in moments. >> and up next, with christians around the world preparing to celebrate easter sound, an eye-opening study and religion on america.

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holiest of the days. it come memerates the resurrectn of jesus christ. if you look at the media coverage of easter in a three-year period. 89% of the stories done on easter deal with the secular side. many didn't deal with easter as a religious holiday. >> why should the media focus on the religious aspect of easter? why should they be focussing on it as opposed to the more secular icons like peeps? >> let me try to reverse it. there are secular holidays here. memorial day, 4th of july, there are people who go to church on memorial day to honor the fallen, go to church to pray for our country. that doesn't mean this should be

a religious holiday. it's a secular holiday. and you can recognize the religious nature of it. i'm saying, these are religious holidays and they should be recognized as religious holidays. if there is a secular spin, who cares. look at christmas, a two-year period on christmas and two-year period, 1.3% of the stories of christmas mention the word god. it's the birth of christ, not a shopping day. >> i know one of the hosts or segments you've taken issue with or a couple of times has been kathy lee or hoda on "the today show." kathy lee is a christian but she can have fun talking about pink martinis she'll have on easter. why does she wind up on a segment because she does that? >> no, it's just an example. she is a wonderful person, and these stories are not offensive,

it's not offensive at all to have these stories. what is troubling is the media is going out of their way not to mention, not to recognize the religious aspect of a religious feast day. why do only 11% of the stories about a religious feast day mention it. why do 1.3 stories of christmas mention god? why do you think the answer is? >> seems like they are afraid. >> is that the reason, they are affrraid to get sued? >> in two days, i'm going to have eight granddaughters pawing me for christmas. that might be my vision from christmas two days from now and i might have a wonderful time with easter egg hunts but at the end of the day, easter is the celebration of the resurrection of our lord and i make no apologies for that and i wish the media could acre knowledge

that, as well. >> when your children are pawing you for christmas, you mean easter right, let's get it straight because christmas is cold, easter is warm. >> no, they are coming in two days for easter and i may not survive it. >> frank, good luck with that. let us know how it works out. >> thank you, megyn. >> have a blessed easter. in the meantime, there is outrage from some of the vet community over a "new york times" column linking them, vets with hate groups. plus, the president sends tough new warnings to russia late today. we'll go live to the region to see if the russians are listening. ♪ [ banker ] sydney needed some financial guidance so she could take her dream to the next level. so we talked about her options. her valuable assets were staying. and selling her car wouldn't fly. we helped sydney manage her debt and prioritize her goals,

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developing tonight, growing anger from veterans across america tonight after a "new york times" piece posted titled veterans and white supreme si. it suggests somehow, they, the vets represent an increased risk to our safety. and look at the graphic we're about to show you. paul is the founder and ceo of iraq and afghanistan veterans of america and served as a first lieutenant and platoon leader from '03 to '04. good to see you again, megyn. >> what are you hear sging? >> from the moment this hit the web, everybody across the board, no matter their political background, they outraged and offended. look at the graphic.

show the graphic and title and to even try to link veterans with white supremacist or anything is garbage. it isn't supported by the facts and folding into the narrative that veterans are homicidal maniacs or victims. >> she says look, the facts are there to support her theory that not all veterans are linked with supremacists that enough of them are that we should pay attention to it. she points to a 2009 study that made this linking as evidence. >> which is refuted by most experts in the field. the military is probably one of the most diverse military agents on the planet -- >> let me stop you there and i'll give you the floor. she says and i quote a vast majority of veterans are neither violent or mentally ill but it

would be irresponsible to overlook the high rates of combat trama. >> it's a huge leap and not supported by the facts and the military actually worked hard in the late '90s to push all extreme things out of the military. you know, what really is shocking is the title and no matter what she says after that title and that graphic, it's hard to take her seriously. that's why veterans across the country are outraged. we want an apology and focus on more important issues and positive aspects of what the veterans are dog. fathers and mothers doing great things and after the fort hood coverage, which in large part was terrible, we got to push back against the stereo types and hold them accountable. >> she's working on a book with this issue and seems to be focussing this on the shooting in overland park, kansas where this white supremacist came out and a pusher of the white power movement. >> right. >> so she seems to thinkis

the latest news hook to validate her theories and comes out and writes and i quote would this man have received greater scrutiny had he been a muslim, a foreigner, not white, not a veteran? the answer is clear and alarming. >> the answer is not clear. what is alarming is this article and her entire train of thought here, which is widely refuted by most experts and i would love to have her on your show to defend this. i want her to defend this against the veterans -- >> she basically points to things like timothy mcveigh. >> you can cherry pick any element of the past and try to create a connection -- >> my question to you is do you think she would get further push back by instead of saying this guy did this and this, pointing to, you know, the first fort hood shooter and another muslim -- >> undoubtedly.

veterans are unfortunately one of the few minority groups it's okay to stereo type apparently and we got to be defensive about that after vietnam. we know how the country turned against the veterans in a shameful way and i think all generations are protective against the veterans that have done so much over the last ten years and really need care in certain areas. we got to focus on suicide and unemployment. they are out there doing great things and representing this country better than anybody. >> and not too many white sup preliminary s -- supremacists groups. >> let us know what you think and send me a tweet at megyn kelly. more than 24 hours after the ferry started sinking with hundreds on board, survivors may be trapped inside the ship. this is an incredible story. we'll have the latest developments for you. >> the white house says the irs scandal is no big deal, but that is not what america is saying

tonight. we'll show you what that means next. >> you're saying no corruption? >> no, none? >> there was bone head decisions. >> but no mass corruption. >> not even mass corruption. >> okay.

developing tonight, a series of documents out this week suggests a pattern of communication between the irs and other federal agencies in the targeting of the president's political enemies. fox news poll says americans do not believe the president when he says there isn't is smidigt of corporation at the irs and 67% says congress should continue investigating the irs

until someone is held accountable. chris, maybe that 49% could be half the country's republican, half the country is democrat but the 67% that want congress to keep investigating this. what does that tell you? >> it tells you there is a considerable number of people who say that would fall into the category and say maybe it wasn't directed by the white house but something bad happened and congress ought to keep going. we in washington believes the universal revolves around us and the talking points of the day. occasionally we get a snapshot of what descent americans think about things and this is one of those. washington is tired of talking about the irs. today the president says he's tired of talking about obamacare and washington is tired of these. we want new distractions and entertainment. turns out the american people are not satisfied with the answers they have gotten on this issue, and not a majority but a

plurality things it goes to the white house and a superhear jur -- super majority say to keep going. that tells me there is fire still in the wire. >> everything from obamacare to red lines in syria. >> well, christopher hedges wrote a book a long time ago about the clintons and it was called "no one left to lie to anymore" and the point was that the end of the clinton presidency, they had run out of the groups to lie to. we look at the fox news polling. when you have 61% of american voters say that the president lies often or sometimes about significant issues, you realize that this administration no longer has the credibility requisite, the credibility he had in 2012 where you say to voters and say to the folks at home, not an issue, i dismiss

it, we're not talking about this. it's not there. people say, come on, duet. >> clearly, that's exactly what they are saying, come on dude in the poll. >> come on dude. >> do you agree with president obama when he says no corruption in the irs, no, 72%. 21% believe him about not a smigin and one of the reasons it's so important to maintain your credibility, especially in an office like his. chris, good to see you. >> you bet. >> last night 84% of responding in the poll says 37% believe he lies to the americans on important matters most of the time. ted stricklen served as national co-ha co-chair of president obama. my goodness, do we believe he has to lie so he lies or something stronger and more concerning? >> i think there is polarization in the country, megyn, and a lot of people believe what they

choose to believe or they believe what they have been told to believe, and the fact is that it's sad that we are in a situation where we can't seem to have just a reasonable conversation about serious problems without engaging in, you know, a lot of heated rhetoric. >> uh-huh. >> i think the president, you know, is a good and descent and honest man and the american people have elected him twice, and i don't know what a smigin is, i'm not sure exactly what that is but the fact is we have a year of investigation, nearly an entire year of investigation and rich asked this weekend did he have a single fact of information that indicated that the white house or president was involved and he couldn't come forth with any after a year

investigation. >> it hasn't been tied to the white house yet. the irs scandal is not tied to the white house, it hasn't. more and more this week we've seen a couple of e-mails emerge that call into question what role did elijah cummings and the house minority staff have in looking at conservative groups. how much were they talking to the irs? was it more than they admitted publicly. you have this partisan sniping pointing the finger at elijah cummings and the regular american struggles to celebrate the weak from that but it matters in assessing their denials here. >> well, credibility does matter, and it is sad, i think, that if you look at the ratings of congress, they are, you know, in the pits. i served in the congress 12 years. i thought it was bad quite frankly when newt gingrich was the speaker of the house and i

was a democrat. i thought that was a difficult time, but today the polarization is really, i think, quite harmful. i don't know how we're going to get beyond it. i hope we can. and come to the point where, you know, megyn, my first year in congress, my best friend was a republican member of congress, and i'm not sure those kinds of relationships occur or are even possible today. i think that's not good for the country. >> they could take a lesson from the supreme court where they have folks on the right side and the left side and they are close. the people in congress need to take a lesson and have a life-time relationship. governor, i got to run, great to see you. >> megyn, thank you for having me. >> hope to have you back. >> new warnings from president obama to russian president vladimir putin but is america's message being heard? wait until you hear this report

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deal is reached to deescalate prorussian groups pulling back. what did you find when you got there? deescalation? >> reporter: not at all, megyn. clearly thanks memo either hasn't gotten to the commanders in the field or president putin from russia isn't sending it to his loyalest here inside of ukraine. as we went around, this is still a city, a region very much on the verge of war. this is one of the main government buildings in the eastern part of the ukraine that the separatest have taken over. there is russian patriotic music playing and barricades to prevent any kind of entry by the ukrainian military. a lot of guys walking with baseball bats, faces covered and obviously, people with a lot of heavy anti-american sentiment. america kills the southeast up on the top there, a message to the american government hanging there. we had to blur it out, america

something you. >> and right now, the ukrainian military is walking a very fine line here. the last thing they want to do is give the russians a pretax to send the tens of thousands of troops they had staged on the boarder here into the eastern part of the ukraine, something that president putin says he has the right to do but hopes he does not do. clearly, tensions on both sides inside this city are very high, megyn. >> leyland, there were reports earlier today that flyers were being circulated by russian supporters in ukraine demanding that jews identify themselves and register with officials. were those reports true? >> reporter: well, certainly there were flyers passed out. even secretary of john kerry weighed in. he called them grotesque.

we talked to one reporter with knowledge and believes, well, it probably was a proukrainian group passing out those flyers to page the russians look bad. either way, so far as we can tell there is no one saying or trying to make jews register their families or anything like that. >> very, very interesting. leyland, thank you. well, hours ago president obama went to the white house briefing room to discuss the deal that we reached with the russians earlier today and warning against being too optimistic. >> my hope is that we actually do see follow through over the next several days. i don't think given past performance that we can count on that, and we have to be prepared to potentially respond to what continued to be, you know, efforts of interference by the russians. >> lieutenant colonel ralph peters is a retired officer specifically trained as a soviet russian analyst.

what do you make of this? we have the prospect of diplomacy and that may deescalate this situation but warning that a military option is just not on the table, period. >> well, it was good to hear the president sounding a little bit sobered about his intimate relationship with vladimir pu n putin. nobody is talking about that, he needs to shut up. he's telling putin we're not going to do anything military, we won't but you don't have to drone on it. we're telling putin we're afraid of him. megyn, the text of the deal worked out in geneva is appalling. it's a gift of valladimir putin >> how so? >> it doesn't obligate putin to do anybody or give anything up. he can say i don't control those

people, they are local patriots. fatally and fatefully i fear it denies the ukrainians the ability to enforce ukrainian law on ukrainian territory. i suspect we shoved it down the ukrainian's throats but megyn, this is appalling because you see, president obama just is not a match for vladimir putin, kerry is not a match for the foreign minister. putin thinks in terms of decades. president obama thinks of getting through the crisis. putting obama against putin is like putting a toy poodle against a pit bull. guess what is going to win? >> is this like syria, we came out and threatened and said you better not and when things got really bad and we didn't want to follow through on the threats, we papered a deal like okay, here is a solution and many came out and criticized it as that's

no solution at all. we know what you're doing. you're trying to cover a way out for yourself here. >> well, i think there's a very good observation and certainly an element of that because again, by saying he's going to huff and puff and blow putin's house down and not doing anything, obama once again is painted himself into a corner. along with that, the other an analogy is crimea. putin did on a larger scale what he did in crimea. there is no penalty. after we all talked about it and watched it happen, there was no penalty. and when putin felt well, i got away with this one, why wouldn't he do it in eastern ukraine. >> i have a little time left and want to get this in. if this wraps up soon, what does that mean for putin going forward? >> well, whether it wraps up in weeks or months or drags on for years over legal qualifications and jurisdictions, nonetheless,

putin is in eastern ukraine. he is not leaving. putin has won, and even if we impose sanctions at this state, which i hope we will because he needs to feel bang, he will have eastern ukraine. putin is hungry and instead of getting filled up, he's getting hungrier. we're encouraging a demon, monster and at some point we have to stand up to him, megyn. putin does not have a reverse gear. until he hits a wall, he doesn't stop and we have not erected a wall. >> ralph, good to see you. >> thanks, megyn. breaking tonight in the frantic search for survivors in the ship sinking. that ill-fated ship plus coming up later on "hannity". >> my understanding, no matter what he pays they are not going to let him graze his cattle

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breaking tonight, dramatic video of the deadly south kcork ferry disaster. moments after the ship started to capsize two days ago. 25 people are confirmed dead but that number is expected to rise as 270 others are still missing, many of them high school students on a class trip. reporter jason is in seoul,

south korea tonight with the late breaking details. >> reporter: megyn, it's just after daybreak here in south korea and again, the weather does not look promising for the rescue divers. on thursday, they had a difficult time getting their job done, fast currents, rising waters, very cold waters prevented them from getting into the ship pumping oxygen into the wreck just in case there are passengers that are hiding out in air pockets inside the wreck. they are going to attempt to do that more today, but it's already been two days since the boat went down. hypothermia is a real fear that if anyone did survive, the thinking, it might just be too late. of course, families are still holding out hope. some say they received text messages from their children as the boat was going down. some of these text messages have even said, either six of us hiding -- inside the dining

room, you me, please send help, south korean police say they could be hoaxes and warning families not to get their hopes too high. the next step is to bring in cranes. they are going to raise the ship, bring it back to land and probably only then that investigators will be able to determine what actually caused this ship to capsize. >> just so horrible. you know, you look at it and watching it sink thinking why can't they get anybody there? why can't they move faster? why can't they open up the ship and get into those that might be waiting to be rescued and the logistics are too challenging and disaster has obviously ensued. we'll be back with an opportunity for you to weigh in on one of the top stories tonight. don't go away.

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