>> hope you're having a great easter weekend ahead. na thank you for joining us today. fox news alert. armed pro russian gunman holding their ground, rejecting an agreement hammered out between the u.s. and russia. >> ukraine's interim government now offer to go meet some of the protester's demands. but the gun men say they will not give up control of government buildings unless top officials resign. leland, what is the latest? >> reporter: it seems president obama's skepticism that this latest deal would bring an end to the crisis was very well placed. the russian separatists have now doubled down on their demands the past 24 hours. a couple hours ago, we visited the russian separatist headquarters that is a regional

parliament building that they have taken over some of the young men guarding that building with batons and other weapons said they said rather die. the leader has said the only way he'll leave is if the entire ukranian government leaves office. that does not look likely. he also he says he wants a re r referendum in terms of them possibly becoming their own government or join russia. and russia has its army poised on the border. and putin has said he's willing to use military force, that they retain that right. many people here believe the russian government is larkly behind the separatist movement saying their special forces people are supporting their separatists, also perhaps even

controlling them. so the ukrainian government is having to walk a very tight rope. they don't want to simply roll over and give back the eastern part of ukraine to russia. there's a lot of minerals, a lot of coal, a lot of money here. a lot of ukranians that we've talked to want to stay part of ukraine. at the same time, ukranian government condition want does a lot of force for fear of giving the russians a pretext to launch that invasion here into ukraine which everyone pretty much agrees if the russians want to take this part of the country by force, they would not have a hard doing that. >> stay safe, leland. >> so there was a deal signed in geneva, but so far nothing has changed in ukraine. is the deal for real? rob peters is a fox news analyst.

lieutenant colonel, thank you for joining us. you heard the report there. they're not budging, they're not moving out of the buildings. the terms of the deal are not being abided by. >> one of the first things a con man learns is that the easiest people to bamboozle are people who want to be bamboozled. and president obama and secretary kerry desperately wanted some kind of agreement that would let them off the hook from actually doing anything. same thing's happened in syria and elsewhere. and the agreement yesterday which we apparently shoved down the throat to the ukranian side was just terrible. if you really read it, it does three things. now, it tells the ukranians that basically they can't use force to enforce the ukranian law on ukranian soil. it gives putin everything. he doesn't have to do anything, he doesn't have to produce anything. and he main types his deny ability.

he can just say the separatists don't -- i can't really control them, they're not really my people. and for the agectivists on the ground, it gives them impunity, amnesty. and make no mistake, this is being run by russia and involves a relatively handful of hard line thugs in eastern ukraine. the will of the people is not to join putin's russia. >> but if the pro russian separatists will ignore the deal which sounds like you're saying this was a deal just put on the table just for the sake of making it look like they came to an agreement and put a deal on the table, then what will give? >> it was a deal for the sake of a deal. but again, the key thing here is that it further pens in the ukrainian government. putin will come town lidown lik hammer if they do try to enforce ukranian law. it was an unimaginebly bad deal. here is the bottom line.

putin has already won. he owns the eastern most provinces of ukraine. he's got them. it's a question only of how long and ugly and blood dy the end ge will be. once putin gets his claws into something, he doesn't let go. i like to say putin has no reverse gear. until he slams into a wall, he doesn't stop and nobody is er t erecting a wall. certainly the drama isn't over. but the game is over. putin's already won. >> president obama did warn that there will be consequences. do you not believe that the president and united states will act? >> well, based upon his track record, he won't enforce any threat of consequences. the official measures he took against russia were laughable. it was worse than a joke.

he keeps saying we won't get militarily involved. no one that i know has recommended getting militarily involved. they keep saying we care, we really want to do something. we're not thinking military action. all that does is tell putin that obama is afraid of him. and i believe the president on a deep visceral level is terrified of putin. this is a poodle versus a pit bull. >> and when you say putin is winning, is he winning strategically, psychologically? how is putin winning? >> he's winning strategically, psychologically, tactically. the guy is really good. and western intellectuals like to look down on him because he doesn't have prep school manners. but this guy is the most brilliant toughest ruthless

major leader on the world stage today. we underestimate him at great risk to ourselves and he has won every single confrontation with the best. this is a tough customer and he can't pretend he'll go away. perhaps his greatest strength is that he and his ministers, especially lavrov, they think strategically, they think in terms of decades. president obama thinks politically in terms of just getting through the current crisis. >> we have to leave it there. thank you for your time and insight on that. >> thank you. > . a powerful earthquake shaking central and southern mexico. u.s. geological survey says it was a magnitude 7.5 centered near acapulco. no immediate word of damage or

casualti casualties, but the quake shook mexico city for at least 30 seconds. back. >> 1985, a magnitude 8.1 quake killed at least 6,000 people and destroyed many buildings in mexico city. a deadly avalanche on mt. everest killing at least 12 people in what officials are calling the worst sgas ter to hit climbingers on the mountain. steve harry begir harry began h latest. >> reporter: the avalanche took place just below base camp. at least 12 confirmed dead. these are sherpas, those who set up the ropes for foreign climbers. we do have an eyewitness account from jeff brown, a florida attorney who has climbed everest

before. the audio is not great. but here is jeff brown. >> so right now at least 12 confirmed ged and you heard in that phone report perhaps numbers as high as 13 to 18. the number could rise throughout the day. emergency rescue operations went into effect immediately with helicopters and people on foot searching for those missing. nepal has made changes in the recent years, installed security for a quicker response. but the nation also depended on the tourism from the two month climb season which is only just now getting under way and off to a think tragic start.

>> steve, thank you. meanwhile u.s. navy robotic submarine is dipping into the indian ocean floor for a fifth time. still searching for that missing malaysia airlines jet. the bluefin-21 sub using sonar to scan the sea floor for the black boxes. officials saying they still found nothing. real relatives continue to prayer. families still commanding answers. searches could be nearing an end six weeks after the plane went missing. a change in the way doctors ham patients taking into account the cost of treatment. what this could mean for the future of health care. plus just a gruesome scene in colorado as a car rams into a school bus. the car almost completely crushed. and they came to support a rancher fighting a battle with the feds, but harry reid now

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a scary crash in northern colorado involving a school bus and a car injuring three children and two adults. the toyota sedan crushed under the bus. the car's driver taken to theit injuries. there were nine students on the bus. three and the bus driver were taken to the hospital with minor to moderate injuries. colorado state patrol says it's too early to know the cause of the crash. it now appears the feds may be putting together a special task force to handle the ongoing cattle battle against a rancher in nevada. harry reid now says that it's his understanding after talking to eric holder and the fbi that

the standoff which cooled down last saturday after supporters forced armed federal agents to release his cattle and retreat. but now the tense situation could be entering a new phase. senator reid blasting funding supporters. >> they have sniper rifles on the freeway, they have assault weapons, automatic weapons, and children and women lined up because if anyone got hurt, we want to make sure they got hurt first. this is the deal and it's not a good one. so these people who hold themselves out to be patriots are nothing more than can domestic terrorists. >> michael warren is staff writer for the weekly standard. domestic terrorists. >> michael warren is staff writer for the weekly standard.c terrorists. >> michael warren is staff writer for the weekly standard. terrorists. >> michael warren is staff

writer for the weekly standard. terrorists. >> michael warren is staff writer for the weekly standard. pretty sizzling comments now suggesting that americans in his own state are domestic terrorists. what do you think of that? >> i've written about harry reed. this is his m.o. is to say inflammatory things. and this is the same sort of hinge that he always does. you think about it, it doesn't really help the situation. it doesn't get cliven bundy to become off and pay out the fees that he owes or get his cattle to stop grazing. you mentioned that they were kind of deescalating last weekend when the bureau of land management stepped off. now this just start it is all over again. it gets those supporters out there riled up and it's hard to tell whether or not harry reid meant to do that or not, but that's what it does. >> bundy was on fox news channel last night. he obviously has very strong feelings about this situation. let's quickly listen to what he had to say.

>> . >> certainly the video we saw over the weekend of these federal police with their guns out>> certainly the video we sa over the weekend of these federal police with their guns out>> certainly the video we sa over the weekend of these federal police with their guns outover the weekend of these federal police with their guns out>> certainly the video we sa over the weekend of these federal police with their guns out helped deescalate the situation. but what about senator reid's allegation that bundy has had women and children up you front so that they may bear the brunt of this? >> there was a report that that was the plan, if they could put women and children up there and possibly get it on video, federal agents shooting women and children, they would get the american people i guess on bundy's side. look, the story of this whole situation out in nevada is one of sort of escalation and people sort of taking things a little over the top, flying off the handle. i just think harry reid's accusation that these folks are

domestic terrorists, there is a grain of truth in the fact that they were doing this, they were at least thinking about doinging this, putting these people up as a human shield. and that is pretty tdeplorable. but if people took a deep breath, bundy really doesn't have a leg to stand on legally, but he is trying to say something about the relationship between the federal government and individuals. but comments from harry reid or bundy supporters sdp s doesn't the situation. >> and senator reid thousand canow calling people in his own state domestic terrorists. and one of his former aides run the bureau of land management.pc terrorists. and one of his former aides run the bureau of land management. does he risk a backlash in his own home state?

>> it's a long time up 2016 when he's up for re-election. and you have to wonder if he's going to want to run for re-election after what happened in the 2014 elections if the republicans take over, then he'll be back in the minority, maybe he won't want to run. i don't know. the law is on harry reid's side. i don't know why he's doing this other than i can just tell you that my coverage of him, he flies off the handle sometimes. i don't know if he always thinks about the ramification of saying things like that for his future el electoral prospects. >> he started out as a boxer before politics. he likes to throw punches. michael warren, good to talk to you. time is running out to find survivors from the capsized ferry in south korea. hundreds of people are still missing. many of them teenagers. as new reports surfaced of what the crew was doing at the time of the disaster. an absolute chaos in the courtroom. we'll tell you what happened

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a near riot breaking out in a california courtroom. an iraqi immigrant accused of beating his wife to death chuck link, shaking his head after hearing a verdict guilty. then he begins to pray.chucklin after hearing a verdict guilty. then he begins to pray. moments later he starts scream. that's when the chaos started. translator says the convicted man was glaring his innocence

saying god knows he's not the killer and that he was tried unfairly for what he calls a hate crime. the captain of that ferry that sank off south korea's coast possibly facing prosecution. authorities seeking arrest warrants for him and two crew members as searchers rush to find the hundreds still missing. 28 are confirmed dead and now reports the third mate was steering the ship at the time when it began list to ing to on side. david piper is following the story from thailand. >> reporter: search teams have been struggling all day to get inside the stricken ship and hopes are fading that anyone could still be alive inside it. the boat has actually now totally submerged. they're using air bags to stop sinking further. divers did manage to get into the cargo hold of the ship but couldn't get any further because of obstacles. they have also been pumping

oxygen into the vessel and they hope to use cranes soon to right the vessel and perhaps move the shape to shallower waters. the slow pace of the search is causing understandable grief to families waiting for news. they have been complaining about lack of pore and also claims there was no order to abandon ship. meanwhile the vice principal as a school where the vast majority of the children came from has hanged himself. he reportedly felt very survivoring. the captain was not at the helm when it capsized. a junior officer was steering the ship when the accident occurred. the captain is facing criticism for apparently jumping in to a rescue boat while hundreds were still on board. arrest warrants have now been issued for the captain and two members of his crew. a lot of the focus of the investigation will be that survivors said they were told to

stay still and not evacuate the ship. a member of the crew said no order was given to abandon ship and we have seen video of people staying still on the ship perhaps for 30 or 40 minutes as it started to cap ssize. back to you. >> thank you very much. a possible breakthrough in a series of very frightening highway shootings. police finally making an arrest in kansas. wait until you hear how many cars the suspect may have targeted in just the last month. and president obama trumpeted a new health care enrollment number saying it's time to give up on efforts to repeal obamacare. but should they? we'll debate that fair and balanced. >> we now know for a fact that repealing the affordable care act would increase the deficit, raise premiums for millions of americans and take insurance from millions more.

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time for a quick check of the headlines. police making an arrest possibly tied to a string of highway shootings in kansas city, missouri. the suspect could be responsible for shooting at 20 cars since march injuries three drivers. and michaels stores hit by cyber crooks. the arts and crafts giant. >> reporter: reporting it contained a data breach that affected nearly 3 million credit and debit card users.

and there is a guest at the white house that never signed the register. a red fox turned up around the time of the government shutdown in october. while most of the grounds keepers were on furlough, the critters chose to settle in. the fos alluded all efforts at capture. >> when i see a headline that says white house targets fox, i jump a bit. but this is a lighthearted one. i'll be be back to work next week. >> a krcute little critter. >> he's been running around. we're told the president spot this had fox at one point, as well. and they can't quite capture him. >> you have to be safe when you're out there reporting. >> you never know. the repeal debate is and shall be over. the affordable care act is working and i know the american people didn't want to intend the

next two years refighting the settled political battles of the last five years. >> new reaction today from republicans to the president yesterday at that news conference touting the health care enrollments. 8 million people, a third under age 35. a doctor releasing this statement saying it's clear the president remains totally focused on kufshlg instead of care. he's either ignoring reports from across the country or he isn't hearing them. either way he's out of touch with americans who lost their doctor, had their insurance cancelled a watch their premiums spike all because of this failing law. guy benson is political editor to townhall.com, and former political adviser to senator lautenberg, let's start with basically victory lap time, the president saying we've gotten the sign up, don't care about the details, i won? >> i think it's about the election that is coming up that

both sides understand obama care will be a big part of the discussion. so testimonies i think rightly are finally going on the offensive about the law and ultimately they have played defense for all these years i think to the detriment of the law and for the detriment of obviously the political circumstances that have ensued because of the law. so i think it's about time that the the they stand and say there are 8 million people now insured. and most have paid their premiums. if you repeal the law, it will go back for the days when either pre-existing conditions prevented them from being covered or they didn't have access to health care. and that whee americans should though before they vote in november, it was a smart political decision by the president which is why you see him going out there or not anybody else. >> some fair reports. are republicans in denial about the fact that the law is getting

better? >> i don't think so at all. i think there is something really profoundly unseemly about the leader of a free country attempting for dekree cree to h subject that the debate is over. in the immortal words from animal house, nothing over up we decide it is. i think the irony with the president here is that month after month, this law remains unpopul unpopular. and i think the reason is millions of people are being harmed by the law and might take offense when they hear the president saying it's working essentially just shut up, let's move on. >> i feel like youdistracted by

the animal house reference. i also want to read whether the president is in denial. steven limpg quotes him. we will lose seats in the house. i'm firly certain of that based on the poll numbers coming out from the more experienced ol sist pollsters. i think we may lose the is that the if things continue to go the way they have been.that the if things continue to go the way they have been. democratic congressman saying he thinks this is a political disaster in november. is the president in denial? >> i don't think the president is in denial. i think he's very well aware of the poll numbers. but he has i'm sure the same access to polling numbers that at least we do, probably much better than ones. and that's why he's changing the narrative because the narrative has been horrible. democrats have not dub a good job of explaining the law. they have played defense for the past five years now.

and it's about time that they try to make politicalof explain. they have played defense for the past five years now. and it's about time that they try to make politicaljob of exp. they have played defense for the past five years now. and it's about time that they try to make political -- make it a political benefit, not a detriment. you say a lot of people have been hurt will, and maybe that's true, but a lot of other people have been vich helpaeeen very m this law. >> another report out saying democrats are being advised don't use the word recovery on the campaign trail because we're not fully recovered. so if democrats complaint talk about health care according to some, and they can't use the word recovery, there was a recovery summer i seem to remember.and they can't use the recovery, there was a recovery summer i seem to remember. >> seems like maybe the only thing they're allowed to talk about is the koch brothers. i want fto quic to quickly go b

julie's point. the losers outin that the winners. but even if we have a dispute over that the way that the law was marketed was that there were going to be no losers. this was going to be a panacea for everyone. and when you make a big promises that didn't come true, it's not just a narrative problem, it's a substantive problem democrats have moving in to the fall. so i think it was interesting one of the questions asked yesterday, i think the obamacare questions were pretty bad, but the questions that were asked were all about fluff and not substance, process and polling. and someone said do you think the democrats should cam pan on obamacare and the president said we should be proud of this law, but it's time to change the conversation to more important topics which was sort of his way of telegraphing to dems it's okay not to campaign on this law. >> i'm not so sure about that. on the one hand, you have

democrats who are -- not democrats. sorry, you have polling shows that obama care is the top issue for most voters. secondly, you also have polls that show that while democrats and republicans for the most part, some people may not the love obamacare, they also don't want it entirely repealed. >> that will be the last word. julie and guy, have a great weekend. well, a report in today's morning times says that some leading medical groups are advising doctors to consider the treatment, not just how well it works. the decision is based on expense and value will come first and foremost. steve moore, this doesn't sound so promising for us when we fwe to s go to see our doctor when you he may or me not decide for have the cost play a decision in the

care that he employs provides u. >> this was a frightening article and it was well documented that doctors are more and more under pressure to take into account the price of these procedures. and so now doctors are not just physicians providing treatment, but also accountants and bean counters. what i found disturbing about this, remember a couple years ago we had a big debate about delt pen al death panels, where government bureau accurates will decide what kind of treatment americans will get and what they want. now we're shifting that to the doctors and hospitals. i believe and i think most americans believe those decisions about what kinds of treatment you receive, that should be up to the patient and to their families. >> what is driving this shift, steve? is this just the rising price of health care in this country? >> that's a big part of it, no question about it. i'm an economist. and economists are very concerned about the spiraling cost of health care.

and it is certainly true every american cannot afford these million and multimillion dollar treatments. my point is it's interesting, if you think of every other industry? americ in america, the person who decides whether they can afford something is the consumer himself. in health care, we're having other people decide that for them. the doctor, the hospital, insurance companies. and that's not fair to people. >> sithere is a scorecard to evaluate drugs based on their value and side effects. american heart association recently announced that they will use cost data to rate the value of treatment. this is not just one instance that we're talking about here. this is widespread change that we're seeing. >> yeah, it's going to be much more universal.

and it is true some evof these-will-one pill may cost $50 and another one may cost $1,000. they both treat the same ailment. so there is some justification for this. but i want to go back to the point only in health care do we have other people making the cost decisions. if you go to a new car showroom and you want to buy a car, and some third party says, no, i don't think you can afford that, those are decisions for consumers to make themselves and their families. >> the broader picture here is that doctors are really redefining their roles. it's not longer just their obligation to treat you they kn. it's on consider the cost. >> and i talked to some physicians today don't want any. we don't want to decide who gets what treatment. we've radically changed our hept

care system and i think this does tie into your rev conversation about obamacare. as the government gets more and more involved for paying for health care, it will make these decisions to merns. americans. >> something to watch. steve, thank you. americans demands answering when it comes to the irs. what the polls telling us. plus a new privacy policy explaining how the government will gather user datas of visitors to whitehouse.gov. ♪

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if you or somebody in your family relies on medicare, you want to hear some new numbers just revealed on how obamacare's medicare cuts could cut into those benefits. and did you hear about the

atheist group filing a complaint against the clemson tigers football program. we'll talk to c.j. panel. and guess who is on the man panel? kyle petty. how cool is that. join us for the real story top of the hour. we'll be watching. voters are demanding answers on the irs targetting scandal. 49% think they intentionally targeted groups. 67% believe congress should continue to investigate the irs until someone is held accountable. let's bring in jenny beth martin, co-founder of tea party patriots. she testified before congress in february about being targeted. wonder if you can react to new e-mails that came out between the irs and justice department. what do you think they show? >> thanks for having me. and it shows that not only was

the irs involved in this targeting, the department of justice was, as well. it looks like potentially senate democrats were involved. the more we learn, the further this investigation goes. and we see that they weren't just targeting us through bureaucratic means, they were looking at ways for put us in jail, to throw us in jail severally because we were speaking out and we disagreed with the administration. >> you've heard the president and his aides say there were democratic groups being looked at, as well. it was not just conservative groups being targeted. and he told bill o'reilly there was not one smidgeon of corruption. >> the e-mails those there was way more than just a smidgeon of corruption. 100% of tea party and conservative groups were targeted and the groups on the left who supposedly were targeted, every single one of them got their taxes in status. took me testifying before

congress in order to get my status and there are still groups today who don't have their status and who are still be targeted. >> so we mentioned that you testified back in february. where is the situation with your group? >> right now what happened is the day before i testified, we got word through a phone call to our attorneys that the irs was finally after over three years granting us our 501-c for taxes status. so we now have that status. but what we also have done, the reason i was testifying before congress was from the targeting and the proposed regulations the irs are trying to implement that would codify the targeting, so we tried to get to the bottom of how the regulations got started. we filed suit on tuesday because they will not turnover the information as they should through the premie of

information act. >> that ought to be the last word. happy easter to you. on this good friday, news making a pilgrimage to the holy land. among them, a group of american religious leaders. the message that they're trying to spread this easter weekend. and collisions this faith. what researchers believe what happened to a nasa robot orbiting the moon. okay, listen up! i'm re-workin' the menu. mayo? corn dogs? you are so outta here! aah! [ female announcer ] the complete balanced nutrition of great-tasting ensure. 24 vitamins and minerals, antioxidants, and 9 grams of protein. [ bottle ] ensure®. nutrition inharge™.

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this is the path that christian tradition says jesus of nazareth walked and carried his cross to his crucifixion. now, pilgrims stopped to pray at various paths along the route. and even with all the religious conflict around the world, particularly here in the middle east, good friday isn't just being marked by christians today, muslim, jewish and christian leaders from the united states are celebrating it together, trying to bridge the gap between the faiths. >> there's so much more that unites us, so many more reasons for us to work together and actually encountering the differences between our religions, we grow in our own. >> we're here to say to our christian sisters and brothers,

we can learn together and serve one another. >> the religious around the world, particularly here in the middle east, increasingly feel under attack. and this caravan of faith by religious leaders from the united states are trying to promote interfaith dialogue between muslims, jews and christians. clearly this is a huge need for it here in the middle east and really around the world. it's a tough place here in the holy land. but it's a message that is very much needed, sandra. >> conner powell, thank you for bringing that story to us live from jerusalem on good friday. thank you. >> happy easter. new papers from the clinton presidency were just released. breaking news, we're going through them right now. the documents expected to include information about then-first lady hillary clinton's role in health care reform. a live report straight ahead. plus this -- an adorable baby bear in need of special attention after she's found abandoned on a doorstep. >> how cute is that. ♪

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♪ hold onto your hearts, everyone. this baby bear could steal it away. somebody left her on the doorstep of a wildlife center near california's lake tahoe. >> this cutie is only about ten weeks old weighing about five pounds. she doesn't even have teeth yet and is just beginning to walk. >> nobody knows what happened to mamma bear. but the cub was a little hungry and thirsty when they found her. but overall, she's in good condition and has a good chance at survival. it was a california black bear.

they're calling her little tahoe. >> that's awesome. yesterday we had that t-rex on with teeth the size of banana. it's been great being here with you. >> great working with you. here's gretchen. we start off a friday with a fox news alert today because we're talking about the ferry crash off the south korea coast. hi, everyone. i'm gretchen carlson. welcome to "the real story." the boat now completely under water, 28 people confirmed dead, 270 are still missing. the prosecutors are seeking an arrest warrant for the captain, allegedly one of the first to get off the boat and two other crew members. investigators want to know if more lives could have been saved by a quicker evacuation order. they're also looking into why the ferry took a sharp turn just before it began leaning to one side on wednesday. the coast guard preparing to pull the ferry above the water but won't happen without