take a lot of the money. >> that is it for this special edition of the "oc'reilly factor." remember the, spin stops here. we're definitely looking out for you. i'm megyn kelly live in new york and tonight, breaking tonight, domestic terrorists or patriots? under fire for his remarks, harry reid doubles down. >> domestic violent terrorist wannabes. >> the reason i called them domestic terrorists. >> why is he fans the flames of a fading fire? live in nevada for us tonight. plus, breaking news from the white house, president obama moments ago saying he can ignore a law he just signed that blocks

an iranian hostage taker from the united states and the must see moment from easter weekend. ♪ ♪ >> what this priest did that had us in tears of joy. tonight on the "kelly file". breaking tonight, the most powerful democrat in the senate doubling down on calling a nevada rancher and his supporters domestic terrorists. as a republican senator reband someone be held accountable for ordering federal agents to provoke a stand off. welcome to the "kelly file," i'm megyn kelly. cliven bundy is holding a rally with supporters but the showdown is not over. harry reid and republican dean helder getting into it on tv, local tv. senator reid doubling down on allegations that those

supporting mr. bundy are in his view domestic terrorists. >> senator reid yesterday you called mr. bundy and his supporters domestic terrorists. i thought we were trying to calm the situation down, so what did you mean by that? >> just what i said. >> talk to me a little bit more about that, senator, in the sense of what triggered the pullout? you're obviously privy to intelligence. what was it they were doing up there that would make you call them domestic terrorists? >> the cattle men association has a wonderful branch here in nevada. i met with them last week. they pay their taxes. they pay their fees, they follow the law. bundy doesn't believe that the american government is valid. he believes the united states is a foreign government. he doesn't pay his taxes. he doesn't follow the law.

he doesn't pay his fees. if anyone thinks by any figment of their imagination what happened up there last week was just people rallying to somebody that was oppressed, 600 people came in armed. they had practiced, maneuvered, they knew what they were doing. they set up snipers in strategic locations with sniper rifles. they had assault weapons. they had automatic weapons and boasted about the fact they put women and children, in fact, one retired sheriff from arizona posted he put women and children so that they would get hit first. so 600 people, if there were ever an example of people who were domestic violent terrorist wannabes, these are the guys. i think that we should call it that way. we have a situation where i think that it's really not

appropriate. would it be appropriate if the owner of this station got behind on the taxes or had a problem with the federal communications problem to station around here when people try to collect taxes or do something that was within keeping of the law and surround this place with armed people? of course not. remember, not only did bundy do what i've just said, there are two valid court orders, a permanent injunction, take the cattle off the land. pay the fees. >> senator heller, are they domestic terrorists? >> no. >> i call them patriots -- >> and i said, these people think they are patriots, they are not. i used that word. if they are patriots, we're in big trouble. >> well it's a pretty broad brush when you have boy scouts,

veterans, grand parents and people that as long as they are not promoting violence in my opinion. >> promoting violence with sniper rifles? take to the sheriff. automatic weapons with grandmothers? boy scouts? i hope not. we got more problems with the boy scouts and whether they can have gay leaders -- >> i take more issues with blm coming in with a pair of military army of people, individuals with snipeers, and i'm talking to people in groups that were there at the event and to have your own government with sniper lynches on you, it made a lot of people uncomfortable. >> as senator reid stoked the fire, senator heller is looking for accountability. >> i want to see accountablebility on exactly what happened and i fear there will be no answer to the question, but i want hearings in washington d.c. on what happened and who gave the orders to march

in like this. >> dana lash is host of "dana" on the blaze tv. dana, senator reid did not agree to hearings looking into the feds. he's focused on the so-called domestic terrorists. he made the mark yesterday. there was a lot of blow back and criticism using that kind of term to describe americans who were trying to stand up on principle. i made clear my own personal view as a lawyer where they stand on the law and yet today, he doubled down on it and doesn't seem to want any accountability for both sides. >> megyn, it absolutely amazes me. i think senator harry reid forgets he's not on the senate floor making these remarks. he's not allowed to engage in slander, which he's protected on the senate floor to do. there are so many things wrong with what he said in the audio, i don't know where to begin. first off, calling these individuals domestic terrorists. i spoke with cliven bundy and he

repeatedly called for peace. he told people, don't wear camouflage, leave your firearms at home. these individuals didn't come out with fully automatic weapons, if he wants to use that as a definition, look at the blm. these were grandmothers, kids, ranch hands. here is the contrast and optics, megyn. you had 200 agents, helicopters that showed up. you contrast that with a number of cowboys on horseback unarmed with the american flag waving in the wind as they bowed their head and said a prayer before they rounded up these cattle and took them back out to paste tore. for harry reid to do this is reckless. he's trying to insight something. i get the impression, megyn, he's unhappy with the peaceful resolution and outcome that took place and i have to question why in inner this era of new tone.

>> he's stoking the fires. why would as his son yesterday called for things to deescalate, the father harry reid is saying domestic terrorists, by the way, live pictures on the left of the bundy ranch tonight where they are holding this rally tonight. but speak, dana, if you could to his point because he raises an issue that does cut against the. their plan according to the sheriff that was there and as the sheriff admitted on fox news to put women and children on the front lines of the she down because he said if the feds shoot, they will shoot the women first and that will make the feds look bad. in harry reid's defense. >> right. >> that's what has him upset in part about the tactics used. >> and it was one remark made, which was an idiot mark and shame on that guy for saying it, because it did a disservice to everyone standing out there and they gave ground to senator reid to slander the rest of the family. here is the other thing, megyn.

where was harry reid when you haddock piers plotting to blow up a bridge in cleveland over cuyahoga valley? i was out there talking to individuals and democrats were still calling, harry reid calling the occupy movement a wonderful thing. you had individuals that stormed a port, one was in oakland and another was in sacramento. in oakland they did property damage. if you want a discussion on domestic terrorism, there were no shots fired in nevada. they called for peace and it's a shame you have a sitting senator slandering people and trying to amp up violence. >> when it's been averted, successfully averted. >> yeah. >> good to see you. happy easter. >> thanks, megyn. happy easter. >> what about that? why is harry reid doing that after it's over. joining me a fellow at the american enterprise institute. mark, good to see you. >> good to see you, megyn. >> why? he said nothing as it's going

on. it ends. people are happy and now he comes out and uses terms like that? >> it's outrageous. if you think about it, timothy mcveigh was a domestic terrorists, the unabomberer was a terrorists. why would harry reid do something like that? why would he associate them with timothy mcveigh and the unabomberer? he's defending the obama administration. if the bundys and supporters are domestic terrorists, it's not excessive to send 200 military army, of 200 forces to shut them down. so it's giving them a defense. second, he's defending his new head of the blm. when dean heller wants to investigate, he's talking about investigating neil cornsey. this is a 35-year-old kid just confirmed. many said he was too young and not qualified for the job and

harry reid defended him and within the first few weeks on the job, he orders this para military raid on the bundys. so if these guys are domestic terrorists, that's not excessive. he didn't do anything wrong. he is trying to defend administration and his staffer. >> and it comes out in the wake of him -- of us seeing video of, you know, the feds using dogs, using tasers, you know, folks standing out there creating a first amendment zone in the middle of the range, rounding up cattle, they rounded up people and told them they had to stand behind a rope if they wanted to express outrage, which isn't exactly how we do it here in the united states of america. so they are on the defensive. >> that's exactly right. i thought america was a first amendment zone, i guess we're wrong about that. there is so much wrong with how they handled it and so this is coming under scrutiny. what he's trying to do is one, defend them but two, discredit the people criticizing them. the people criticizing it are

the extremist. if they are domestic terrorists, we're the extremist associating ourselves with domestic terrorists. >> he called tea partiers anarchists and they were diminishing credibility by repeating that charge and racist charge and someone is wondering if something similar is happening here. mark, thank you. >> thanks, megyn. >> happy easter. just ahead, we'll go live to the ranch where a film maker is joining them. he is facing federal charges for campaign contributions, and his case is held up by some on the right as an example of government trying to intimidate an outspoken critic of this administration. he sees similarities in this case. we'll talk to him about it and we'll examine the question why harry reid continuously now is mentioning cliven bundy's alleged back taxes that are owed, something that cliven bundy says is not the case.

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>> breaking tonight, the president signs a bill banning iran's controversial pick for a new un ambassador from coming into the united states but contains a cav yaceacaveat. he says he is taking it as guidance but not going to enforce it. he was a member of the muslim student group that held 5 2 americans hostage for 44 days during the 1979 iran embassy takeover. a former attorney for the

department of justice and pj legal media editor. chris, good to see you, why sign it into law only to say, like, literally at the same time, this is all about abudi levy. >> once upon a time, megyn, when congress passed a bill and the president signed it into law, it was treated like a law, not a suggestion like president obama did with this. this bill was sponsored by senator cruise with bipartisan support from schumer and passed congress 535-0. this is a president who talked a big talk during campaigns about the importance of following the law, but he simply says he can take it as a suggestion. i mean, this is what the privy counsel does for the king of england. they make suggestions, laws are laws. the president has an obligation

to follow the law and not let this iranian terrorist into the united states. >> what about president bush signed and offered way more signing statements, something like 161 with president bush and only like 29 with president obama. >> there is a big difference. what president bush did is say i'll interpret the law in a way that's consistent with american foreign policy. what president obama is saying, is i'm going to potentially totally ignore the law. there's a huge difference between a reasonable interpretation and a lawless disregard for what congress has done. president obama ran on this in 2008. >> he did. i have the sound byte because i want to viewers to hear out of senator obama's mouth. >> who george bush has been trying to do as part of his effort to accumulate more power in the presidency is he's been saying well, i can basically change what congress passed by

attaching a letter saying i don't agree with this part or i don't agree with that part. i'm going to choose to interpret it this way or that way. that's not part of his power, but this is part of the whole theory of george bush that he can make laws as he's going along. we're not going to use signing statements. >> really? >> yeah, it's totally embarrassing hypocrisy from this president. this isn't about some small matter. this is about an iranian terrorists who participated in the american hostage seizure in the 1970s. the iranians are unrepenting about it. they never paid civil judgments. they are acting rep hencebly. it's not letting this man in the united states that held americans for 444 days. >> many folks have said this is basically a middle you know what

to the united states of america for iran to even appoint this guy but the president did not make clear with his statement tonight, he says he signs it into law but he deems the whole thing advisory but doesn't make clear if he'll physicfollow ther not. they suggests maybe he's not coming in. jay christian adams, great to see you, happy easter. >> you, too, megyn. new twists into the investigation of the ir is and collaboration with other federal agencies targeting the political enemies. joe trippy and his fight. plus, for some on the left, kirston powers has thoughts on that next.

breaking tonight, the white house announceriing on good fri another delay on the keystone pipeline. it's facing bipartisan backlash. lawmakers calling it ridiculous and shameful. they say the delay is due to on going legal battles. could push a final determination until after the midterms. the pipeline could support from 4 2,000 jobs. the environmentalists are against it. one woman's fight and the efforts by some on the left to stop her. hersh hersi ali fights abuse to muslim women around the world. this isn't the first sometime she's stood up and come under attack for more than comments that she made right here on the

"kelly file". >> as you see on the film and on the again reel news, there is a lot of violence going on in muslim countries and among muslims in western countries. >> kirsten powers is a fox news political analyst and just wrote a column about this. kirsten, good to see you. you view this as hypocrisy by some on the left to what you learned growing up in a liberal household, the backlash against this woman and her message. >> it's worse than hypocrisy. when you have people on the left, particularly the feminist movement and you hear about it all the time and see how someone like ali is attacked so viciously and look, this issue that happened post recently with brandeis university where they were pressured into revoking the degree is one in many, a long line of attacks against her.

they have been trying to delegitize her for as long as i can remember in a condescending way telling a woman that her life experience, she cannot express an opinion about her experience because western liberals who know nothing about her religion decided they don't like her opinion. >> she can do it but cushion the blow. she has to be diplomatic, otherwise she'll get bad they want her to be much nicer about, you know, muslims. >> right. >> and about islam, the faction of it that she's grown up in, that she was persecuted under without acknowledging what happened to her. >> and what continues to happen to other women throughout the world. she's a women's rights activists. she's somebody fighting for women who are really oppressed and suffering and complaining

that they don't -- and honestly, there is no way she can say what she thinks in way to accept it but they would like it if she would say it differently. so please speak about your oppression in a way we find acceptable and i think that it's outrageous and when you think about the fact that how christianity, when people criticize christianity and i bring up ann rice who quit christianity. she called the catholic church i'm moral. it was broad brush condemnation of the catholic church, which is her right and i support that. i don't criticize ann rice for that. i wrote a column when it happened and i think she's a lovely and interesting person and has a right to say how she feels and express her frustrations. for some reason, a muslim woman is not afforded that same -- or former muslim. she's not a muslim anymore, is not afforded the same right.

>> and we had abraham hooper ass saying she's a fake muslim. he converted but condemning someone who he says is a fake muslim. she was raised a muslim. she was mutilated, subjected to horrific things and yet, somehow she lost her right to talk about it in the view of some because she's rejected that. >> right, and of course, you'll notice, of course, islam, you know, the leaders of islam are men, right? and they all are able to tell her that she's not allowed to have opinions and talk about this and then these liberal people are enforcing that for them. they are helping enforce that. >> it's supposed to be different here. once you get here, it's supposed to be as we just had earlier in the show, every part of america is supposed to be a free speech zone. krir st

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rejects and one that got us wondering how does mr. reid know whether cliven bundy pays taxes or not. the author of 2016 book and joining us from the bundy ranch in nevada. good to see you. we don't know how mr. reid knows that or why he is now so very focused on going after mr. bundy. your thoughts? >> reporter: well, it's a very peculiar situation where you have a cattle man, a rancher and he's being taken on directly from the senator and senate majority leader who is commenting not only about him not paying taxes but in some sense accusing supporters and i'm right among them here today of being domestic terrorists. so the real question i think megyn, i came here as a film maker to see what is going on. we basically see an american clash almost like in the old western movies between the loan

rancher on one side and i would say the dubious or corrupt politician on the other and the question is, who is the real crook? who is fanning the flames. terrorism is when you target innocent civilians and when you call people domestic terrorists, you're almost saying they should be targeted and killed. i think this is irresponsible of harry reid and the people are angry about it. >> i understand they have a statement they are making particularly with respect to mr. reid. what is it? >> reporter: well, a whole bunch of people here have name tags and even little kids have them saying domestic terrorists. when you look at an all american kid with a domestic terrorist sign, you see what is really going on here. i think this is not really about whether mr. bundy paid taxes or not, this is really about the rule of law and whether this administration is enforcing it

even handily or whether or not the obama guys are enforcing the laws they want to enforce and enforce them against the citizens they are against. >> do you see similarities between this case and your own? i mentioned earlier targeted by the feds and you're facing prosecution for campaign donations which many legal analysts said is small potatoes and surprised the feds brought it. >> reporter: quite honestly, my case is going to trial in may and i'm preparing for it. it created in me a sense of vulnerability and sensitivity to these issues of justice, but of course, i didn't have swat teams on me. i wasn't in the sights of snipers, so i feel that these guys here have been facing some real domestic terror from their own government and that's a very scary idea in america. >> thank you. >> reporter: thank you. break tonight, the captain

and two crew members in the deadly south corkorea ferry accident are being arrested. a rescue diver and president and founder of lifeguard systems. butch, thank you for being here. incredible to see him abandon those on board. >> yes, it was. understand he was trying to get off and had not made sure that everyone else was notified it was time to abandon. >> we watched this from so far away and you see the ship sinking progressively. you know, people who don't know anything about diving say to themselves like me, why? what's taking so long? why can't they cut a hole in the side of the ship. why can't the divers get in there and get them out faster? >> the idea of cutting a hole would have taken any air that would be in the vessel and replace it with water. so cutting a hole in the hull would be a really scary thing -- >> even on a part above water? >> the part above water, the

rest of the air which was trapped would have escaped almost immediately. if you watched when the vessel was rolling over, the portholes were blowing water as much as 20 to 30 foot straight up. that would have happened as soon as you cut a hole in the top of the hull, air would be forced out and water would replace it and go down quickly. >> what conditions are the divers facing? >> diving there is difficult. the conditions have been very rough. they are running three to five-foot seas. the visibility is as little as three to four feet, but they also have a current and that current when you say moving water, they are saying the water is moving between two to four knots, that's 200 to 400 foot per unit. the human can't swim against that. top-graded navy seals would be forced like flags along the sides. >> what are the odds of any survivors in 55 degree water temperature? >> there are no survivors. the hull was not designed, the

ship was not designed to be watertight interior. the cabins and so forth on board do not have lockout pressurized doors and if you watch over the hours, they have been banging on the upper hull that was afloat with no response for over 50 hours. >> what a nightmare. the captain delayed the evacuation order. they have real criticisms of the turn and now he's under arrest and the vice principal who escaped alive has hanged himself. >> hanged himself. >> butch, thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. two troubling developments involving democrats going after conservative groups. joe trippi weighs in. >> on advice of my counsel i exercise my fifth amendment right and decline to answer that question. [ male announcer ] staples has everything you need

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joe, good to see you. let's start with the allegations against representative cummings who is on the house oversight committeeme committee. the suggestion is he was focused on true the vote down in texas and got looked at and the fbi and federal agencies, and that he asked the irs for publicly available information about true the vote, and at the same time, the irs was targeting them, the lawyer for true the vote smells a rat, and believes that the two were cooperating. was there anything wrong with mr. cummings seeking publicly available information? >> i don't think so. the key was he was asking all the documents and e-mails show he asked repeatedly or a few times for publicly available information and only publicly available information, and the

other thing that's interesting about this is that the irs was investigating true the vote way before comings ever asked for public information and only the public. he doesn't ask them where their investigation was or to investigate the group. he just said can you -- he asked, i think, if the tax returns were public information, could he get a copy or something -- >> now that important because he was accused by the lawyer for true the vote, by putting true the vote on the irs' radar screen and denied that and they said his denial spoke to more. in any event, it's important he put them on the i rrrs' radar screen. with the information, joe, what the try the typically when that is done, when the house minority would seek documents like that from the irs, they would let the majority know about it and claim this was done without such communication,

which leads them to suggest foul play was involved. >> yeah, well, unfortunately, look, there is -- as you pointed out, a lot of acramony on this committee. they can't stand each other -- >> they don't like each other. >> they have both accused each other -- cummings accused them of not tipping them off when they were requesting documents and back and forth. that charge may be true. i don't know the answer to it. i'm not surprised at all given how these two guys just don't get along and probably don't share much of anything. >> last question, last question, the polls, the american people still care, joe, they still care. >> sure. i think isa has done a remarkable job as chairman as keeping democrats on the defensive, not just on this but bengha

benghazi, just continuing to rattle and keep some issues in front of the american people. democrats don't like it. you know, i wish he would get on to other things as a lot of my democrat friends do, but it's clear that the polls show that a lot of people want answers still. >> yeah. >> so he's doing a good job of doing that. >> listen, it's easter weekend and good friday and my gift to you and all of the viewers is the next segment we're about to do. my friend, thank you for being here. >> happy easter. >> you, too. >> stay tuned for this. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ cars are driven by people. they're why we innovate.

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♪ ♪ ♪ hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah ♪ ♪ hallelujah >> i cannot watch it without tearing up. it's so beautiful. that was father ray kelly giving a bride and groom the surprise of their life with an amazing rendition of "hallelujah." the video going viral getting nearly 30 million hits on youtube in the last ten days. pastor steve burger from grace chapel in nashville joins me

now. great to see you. what is it about this video that touched so many people? >> yeah, i think it's people just being able to see the clergy in a very real way. i mean, here is a catholic priest breaking out of the norm and singing a contemporary song and nailing it. >> and personalizing it for the bride and groom. >> listen, i don't know what guys like me are going to do in the future. how are other clergy men going to compare to what father kelly did. it was remarkable. the pressure is on. >> you have to up your game now? >> i have to up my game. >> seriously, i don't know, there is something about this, whether you're a religious person or not, that just makes you feel that special feeling you have when you go into a church or place of worship, which is just connection to your fellow human beings, love and joyfulness. >> right, i think it's the very thing jesus did. jesus came as a regular guy, a carpenter, a worker.

he related to the regular people. the scripture says the common people heard him gladly, in other words, jesus just spoke people's language and that's what father kelly did. >> when you go to church, mass, services, you're looking to feel something. >> yeah. >> he made us feel something. >> absolutely. >> it's not easy to do. >> no, and that's why it really does take a work of god's spirit to make that happen in people's hearts. you can't approach spiritual things on a natural level and expect supernatural results. it takes god's work and clearly he was under god's spirit. >> he's on to something and his third album. he happens to be a singer in his spare time. pastor, great to see you, happy easter. >> thank you, megyn. >> in honor easter, here is our gift from the kelly file to you, the video in full. ♪ ♪

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well, father ray kelly got a standing ovation. we hope you feel that this weekend. we'll post this on our facebook page. happy passover. happy easter. welcome to the special edition of "hannity" the power of fate. in honor of easter throughout the hour tonight, we'll show you some of the most powerful interviews we've done with some of the most recognizable and influential leaders and we begin with billy graham's sit down in 2005. since the ministry began, billy graham conducted crusades in 185 countries on six continents and began in 1947 in grand rapids michigan when he was just 29 years old and when i sat down with him in 2005, he performed more than 400. i joined him as he embarked on what was