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♪ if i need some help i'm not alone ♪ ♪ we're all tyyyyype eeeee, ♪ ♪ we've got a place that we call home ♪ ♪ we're all type e ♪ . >> happy earth day. >> happy earth day. >> earth day is next week, it's time to get hysterical about global warming. and overwhelming science. overwhelming? >> this is a huge, huge, planetary crisis. >> what should we do about it? >> um, i'm not sure. >> it can be as simple as riding the bus or subway to work. >> well, do i that. or this. >> i'm such a good citizen. riding my bike to work. i'm going to save the earth. >> we need to get a sense of priority. how much wealth are we going to forego creating in order to have zero discernible effect on
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the environment. john: a practical earth day, that's our show, tonight. . >> and now john stossel. john: tuesday's earth day. . tuesday's earth day. this is a holiday that brings out stupidity in people. we will hear all kinds of bizarre things this week, some on this program. the premise is noble. we all want to protect the environment but there's this religious-like satisfaction some people get by thinking that they can save the planet from man's extravagance. you get a taste of that from the new movie "noah's arc." >> my father said one day if man continued in his way, it would annihilate this world. >> i misspoke.
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it's just called "noah." but that's what i've been hearing, annihilation is coming because we've been evil, we frack, we cut down trees, we burn. but we can still save ourselves. >> we can continue on our current path where we rely on outdated electricity grids or we can change and create greener cities where solar panels and this cleaner, more sustainable future is within our grasp. >> it's within our grasp. greener cities with solar panels and wind power. our president has a plan, too. he says -- >> we can break our dependence on oil with biofuels and become the first country to have a million electric vehicles on the road by 2015. >> whoopie and they all applaud
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but, oops, by 2015 that's next year. america doesn't even have a tenth that many electric vehicles. to put it in perspective, this is what we've got versus the president's rediks. and even -- prediction. even if we reached his goal, it wouldn't have any real effect on climate goals. most americans aren't good with numbers and even worse with science. james taylor studies environmental policy at the heartland institute. paul is president of the environmental group river keepers. paul, how ammism getting it wrong is -- how am i getting it wrong? >> we're here to solve problems, not to deny them. >> and the problem is climate chang? >> the problem is giving our kids and their kids a planet we'll be happy to give them and
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that they'll be happy to live on, giving them a better standard of life than our parents gave us. these are old fashioned values and you as a conservative should be embracing them, not ridiculing them. >> just for clarity, i don't call myself a conservative, i call myself a libertarian, big difference. >> i'm sure there is, i'm sure there is. i'm learning that now. >> don't you want to preserve the planet for your children? >> absolutely, we all do. but our current path, as we saw in the clip, what is our current path? it's a sound path. we're doing great job. >> let's be clear. when people hear the crisis about greenhouse gasses, they think the air is getting dirtier. you both agree as far as the bad stuff we inhale, sulfur dioxide,
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that stuff has gone down? >> we have to keep making them work because the clean water act is supposed to be done. the waters are supposed to be fishable. only half the rivers we were supposed to clean up have been cleaned up. let's finish the job. >> and river keeper has helped make that happen and cooperating with government, passing laws. but they are getting cleaner, right? there's been delay in some of the treatment. but it's moving in the cleaner direction. i can fish and swim in the rivers right next to new york city. >> you can sometimes. but when it rains, you end up with so much pollution that you can't do that. so we've been cutting that pollution slowly but surely. but you know what happened since the 80s, since the libertarian movement really took wing? >> good things? prosperity? >> we stopped spending on infrastructure. that's not the values that i grew up with when i looked at my dad and he was a republican committeeman. he said you invest in your
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community. he talked about the greatest generation. we don't talk about the greatest generation anymore because we don't emulate them. >> we're not investing in our community? >> i talk about results. if we see our environment getting cleaner, why are we saying we're not spending enough? i want to see results and i'm saying results. e.p.a. is seeing results. that's more important. >> the government of the state of new york has just worked with albany to get them to spend $140 million that will take their water quality in the hudson from the worst to first. let's finish the job. it's a proven set of laws. let's not ridicule the progress. >> i can drink this practically unfiltered. >> i'm going to send you right up to albany after a rain storm and watch you drink it. that will not be good for either of us but maybe the viewers will get a kick out of it. >> "smart" energy, that's wind, solar power, buy i don't see
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mass and biofuels, geothermal, hydropower. what's wrong with this community? >> why do we need wind power and wind turbines, which require 600 square miles of land development to replace a single power plant. this takes money away from other key environmental issues, as well as health issues, et cetera. >> what's wrong with solar power? >> it's very land intensive. that requires two to four times more water than conventional energy. where are we producing solar power? in the deserts where we need this water. >> the biggest growth in solar energy is on rooftops. it's a disruptive development of generating power and sending it through transmission lines in people's communities is less and less important. you had 30% of the power created in 2013 was solar, same thing with wind. >> i have them on my rooftop.
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>> bless you for that. >> i only put them there because the idiot state of massachusetts throws money at me to subsidize my putting them there. poor people who can't afford to buy a house have to pay for it. >> there's $13 of subsidy for fossil you'll have. you can buy a big old suv and get a huge tax credit relative to the tax credit you get for a little hybrid. >> when we're talking kilowatt for kilowatt hour subsidies, when he's talks about the extra subsidies, it's because conventional energy is more efficient and feffective and it has far greater market share. >> you want more subsidies for oil and coal? >> kill them all, john. >> that's an interesting -- that
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one we can agree on. listen, i want a transition that is smart, sensible and gets us where we need to go. i'llhonest with you, i want a price on carbon and in revenue neutral fashion. the republicans, cap and trade was their baby in 1990. the first bush administration came up with that. that's one of the reasons why the air is cleaner. >> it appears as far as the public is concerned, your side has won the debate. when i interviewed people on the street, most everyone said they were worried about global warming and they talked about wind power and solar power. >> solar power. it's cleaner. >> we're a big fan of wind in the u.k. we have a lot of wind. >> james, you've lost. >> i think people are concerned because they hear so much in the media. but when you prioritize and ask people what are you most concerned about, what do you
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want politicians to deal with, global warming comes in dead last. in that case we have some hope, john. we're not going to sentence ourselves to economic deprivation based upon these false -- >> you're not worried about global warming? >> not at all. temperatures that rose during the 20th century just a little bit, about 1 degree, can't even tell the difference. it's 43 degrees right now in late april in new york city. >> it's new york city. >> we're looking at a small amount of warming that's been beneficial. when we look at the past 6,000, 7,000, 8,000 years, we're cooler than the long. term average. when they define on record as the hottest decade is the ice age years. we're actually quite cool. >> here's what your president says about skepticism like your that dismisses the promise of renewable energy.
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>> some of these folks want to dismiss the power of wi power and solar power. if these guys were around when columbus set sail, they'd be charter members of the flat earth society. >> the idea that climate change is good for you, let's go down to the rockaways and tell folks who lost their homes in hurricane sandy -- >> let's compare the number of hurricanes now versus 30, 40, 50 years ago. it's absolute beobjective facts. you want people to believe there's never been a hurricane before. hurricane sandy was a category two at its stronger. look at category three, four and five hurricanes, they used to strike the new york city area on a fair live regular basis. you don't see that anymore. >> it used to be the guys at heartland said it's a hoax.
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now they say you don't have to worry about it and it's good for you. i wish they'd pick a story and stick with it. >> just to be clear, you're saying in some cases it's good because more carbon dioxide means good for plant growth. >> we look for crops, we see a declining number in the number of tornadoes and severity of hurricanes. >> when he says heartland, that's heartland institute where you work. there is bad stuff that might happen. serious scientists are worried. >> might happen if we're not going to have the type of warming that will happen over many centuries. whenever temperatures warm -- >> how is one side of the debate better? >> his side uses faith-based science. they published a paper a couple of weeks ago. if you look at their citations, 11 of them are 30 years old or more, six more were created by
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the people who wrote the paper -- >> we're getting into wonky territory here. >> what's the difference between faith based science and true science? he looks at computer projection, these models -- >> that's serious science. >> i'm quotiing real world fact and data from today. >> you pay your scientists. we don't pay ours. >> do you work for free? >> listen -- >> thank you both, paul and james. you're not the singer. >> but i can sing. >> but don't. now, a few people i interviewed were utterly skeptical about global warming. >> is the globe warming? >> i don't think so. >> it's not? >> don't buy it. >> a significant minority of people say that, the globe isn't warming. i won't go that far.
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. james smith here. and i got one word for you. trees. we need to get to work. when our movie comes out, you'll see what happens if we don't start taking care of our world. >> that was james smith, son of actor will smith. i'm so sick of the hype about our dying planet and about how all of us must pay more for an electric car. it's mindless anti-scientific propaganda. >> we are in a crisis of surviving. >> this is a cbs news special:
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earth day, a question of survival. >> somehow we survived since that earth day. though i never heard it from walter cronkite, most of life got better. some of it got better because we passed the environmental rules and got the filth out of the air and sewage out of the water. now we're told we're in trouble because of greenhouse gasses. and satly most people even in washington, d.c., believe that. >> we're not going to be able to survive in the same way we have been all this time. >> we're not going to survive? please, odds is we're not only going to survive but life will get better. even left winger environmental says industrialization will make this evenings better. >> if you're poor, you have bad air, bad water and you die soon.
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>> you have bad air because you may burn dung to heat your hut. >> exactly. pollution kills 4.3 million people each year. that's never what we talk about. we talk a lot about global warming. it is a real problem, it's something we need to fix but we need to get a sense of priority. by far the most important this evening is air pollution, indoor and outdoor air pollution and that's about getting people ot of poverty. >> america has reduced its greenhouse air emissions, fracking, which a lot of countries forbid. >> if you take all the solar panels and wind turbines out, they have cut less than what u.s. fracking has managed to do globally. that's worth pondering because
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we're paying $60 billion for the privilege of having those solar and wind panels. you guys are make about $100 million on fracking. >> but our government pushes stuff like electric cars. even if we did reach the goal that they've had of a million electric cars by 2015, next year, unlikely, and that will cost $7 billion. how much will that delay global warming? >> it would be infin i tess mall. >> now this new ipc report makes it sound like we're all going to die. "los angeles times" headlines,
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"crops are down, deaths from heat are up. the price of food has gone down because of industry. >> these are very misleading reports. again, there is a problem. in the long run we'll probably make growth rates and yields slightly lower. we're still going to be able to produce more and more food and they're telling us we'll be able to produce slightly less of more and more food because of global warming. global warming is probably going to cost in the order of 2% of gdp. >> says you. >> yes, that's the ipc report but the second half of the century. but remember, that's one year of -- >> we can afford that, we can adjust to that. >> it's not the end of the world. it's a problem. it's one of those many problems what we will fix and mostly by making sure that people stop being poor.
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remember, people worry, for instance, a lot about hurricanes and that's a whole other conversation. but remember, if a hurricane ritz a rich area like florida, there's lots of damage but fundamentally people survive. but if it hits a poor country like guatemala, it wipes out 10,000 people and costs about a third of their economy. it's about getting people out of the poverty trap and making sure they get rich. then they'll be much better off. >> thank you. >> coming up, more on earth day and we'll argue about nuclear power. one of my guest says worrying about climate change is racism against people. with diabetes, it's tough to keep life balanced. i don't always have time to eat like i should. that's why i like glucerna shakes. they have slowly digestible carbs to help minimize blood sugar spikes. [male announcer] glucerna...
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millions of people flushing right around here. getting most of the filth out of the water is one of the few good things government's gone. and it was the first earth day protest years ago that helped make that happen. so good for the environmentalists, good for the government, but like all things with government, their rules grow and grow and never stop. 16 years agriculture the ver environmental regulators could have said stick a fork in it, it's done, we're going home now. but the regulators never do that. they do more. had they do, they run over people, people like california farmer john duarte. he jones us now with his attorney from the pacific legal foundation. what did they do to you? >> they told us we couldn't farm our ground, they gave us a cease and desist order and told us we couldn't farm our ground.
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>> because? >> because they presumed we stepped into some wet lands. >> us did buy some land that had some wetlands on it and you planted some wheat but you avoided the wetlands. >> we flagged avoided them. >> because? >> i don't want my tractor to get stuck, i don't want to farm wet soil. we're completely willing to stay out of it. >> tony, take it from there. >> what happened in this case, as john mentioned, is the corps of engineers, which is an agency of the federal government, issued mr. duarte and his company a cease and desist order, which basically prevents them from farming their property. they've done this on a completely erroneous version of facts. >> they never looked at the property? they just assumed he must have? >> their order is based on in
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their words is available information. despite our requests of what they base it on, they've never told us. >> well, wetlands is important. the army corps of engineer says this is habitat for wildlife, water improvement. >> yes, they are important, they are protected and we stayed out of them. if we had the opportunity to explain exactly what you're practices were before we planted any wheat we shall could have solved this ahead of all these troubles. >> so what's this about? >> it's about due process. >> what's in their heads? >> we can't el you that. i can tell you what's in our head is we want to farm property sensibly, we want to farm it sustainably. we know the public is demanding farming be done in a sustainable way and we're game. we're happy to play ball. but there has to be a reasonable process for the regulators to oversee that. >> and, toney, the pacific legal foundation sees lots of these
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cases. the bureaucrats always want more power. >> they mean well, i assume, but they always have to do more. >> well, i characterize the average bureaucrat as like that fellow you know that just has to be on the homeowner's association so that they can enforce the rules and the corps of engineers is that guy. in this case, all those these are technically described as wetlands, it's important for people to understand. these are not the everglades. these are small depressions in the ground maybe the size of this table that hold water for a few months a year. they're going well beyond their charge to protect navigable waters. >> because they're mean? because they're crazy? why? >> if you went home today and
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the police had barricaded off the front door of your home and said to you cease and desist, can you not use your home, you've violated some laws and you have your attorney send them a letter back and say please tell me what laws we violated. and then you receive another letter with noans of your original question of what dido from the enforcement prosecutor in the local county. when we asked what we actually did, they kicked it up to the enforcement branch and still to this day haven't told us why we can't use our property. >> what's this cost you? >> it's cost us two years of farming the property. we would like to develop the property into permanent crops, probably walnuts, which would be a very high value operation. it would involve probably $4 million in investment into the tahama county. >> thank you, tony and john. next, a founder of greenpeace
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>> proceed directly to safety areas. caution, this is not a drill. >> "the china syndrome" title referred to the claim that the nuclear meltdown would burrow all the way into the earth. then came three mile island. >> it is leaking through the thick walls of the plant into the air. >> then there was the chernobyl nuclear plant explosion in russia, which killed a million people. and most recently in japan, foukashima. >> it turned out that scare and the others were exaggerated.
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i lied about chernobyl. i said a million died. did you even catch that? but you accepted it. 56 people did die but not a million. and most died fighting the fire. people are so scared of radiation that they'll believe just about anything. patrick moore, a co-founder of greenpeace, used to fear nuclear power. you once called nuclear energy synonymous with nuclear holocaust. y yes? >> yes. it's enough to make me cringe today. i think the mistake we made -- and i was a serious science student -- we believed that radiation was bad and everything to do with radiation should go. now when i think about that, the fact that nuclear medicine is such an important part of medicine, diagnosing and treating people with high level of radiation and doing it for good and nuclear energy, which
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is the safest form of energy we have, i mean, the statistics are there, the chernobyl is the only nuclear accident that did cause mortality and it was a style of reactor that should never have been built. the soviets took a short cut during the cold war and built about 25 of these all around the former soviet union. we're lucky only one of them blew up because the design was fundamentally flawed so that it could blow up. that's what happened with the chernobyl reactor. the world health organization says 56 deaths can be attributed to it and there is no discernible health effects in the hundreds of thousands of people ef evacuated after being exposed to high levels of radiation. >> it's not as risky as people think and you say let's build nuclear plants in america. this is why i joked but want people to die. >> if the environmental movement had recognized back then that
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nuclear energy was far superior to using coal for our large, continuous power plant, there would be more nuclear plants today. there's over a hundred already in the united states running every day, but there might be 300 or 400 now. where we're getting half of our electricity from coal, it's going down a bit because from the fracking, gas it going to replace it. if the environmental movement had embraced nuclear energy, we'd have far less deaths from coal mining and -- >> i understand the fuel can be made into nuclear bombs. >> you try and steal nuclear fuel out of a nuclear plant, that is not going to be very easy. the fact that no terrorist has ever targeted a nuclear plant is one piece of evidence about why it isn't very likely. terrorists prefer subways and
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political targets. they have never made any effort -- >> it can't be made into a bomb? it's different? >> the fuel in a nuclear reactor is enriched to 3%, whereas bomb grade fuel has to be enriched up to 90%. it two different things. >> i'm appalled that even nasa doesn't tell the public of the nuclear fuel in their rockets because they're afraid people won't like it. if it so good, why does nuclear power need all these subsidies? it's the price anderson act. george bush, $20 million in nuclear loan guarantees. >> they are taking a risk to some extent on the part of the public, but the public needs to
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be involved in the production of our energy supply. they're the ones that are going to be benefiting from getting the energy. >> i benefit from my blackberry, i still have one of these. >> there will be subsidies somewhere in that change. the point is the loan guarantees are not being again to -- in nuclear it takes like five years to build a plant. and billions of dollars have to be spent before a nickel comes out of it. >> we'll have to continue that discussion. thank you, pat trk moore. if you celebrate earth day, does that make you racist? my guest says yes. female announcer: get three years interest-free financing
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you say the environmental movement practices a form of racism against the human race. really? what do you mean? >> yes. let's think about this kind of graphic. it's sort of an extreme graphic but you hear this all the time. i've heard steven hawkins say imagine if the son or daughter saw the earth and what we've done to it. what would they think of it? they'd think we've ruined it. if i'm an alien and i'm looking at the earth, i wouldn't say what they've done is unnatural, i'd say, wow, they build the best nests and made the earth work for them. >> it's not natural. >> why don't we consider human beings natural? we're part of nature. that's what i call human racism. >> people burn coal, birds
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don't, bear don't. >> too bad for the birds and bears. if we're talking about the perspective of a human being, burning coal is amazing. we have an earth that can hold 7 billion people. one of us would have to go or everyone in the studio would have to go. so thank man for coal. >> and here's an example of the anti-human, as you say, racist attitude. the sierra club, fighting climate change with family planning. in other words, have fewer children for the earth. david attenborough, "humans are a plague on the earth ". and prince phillip, "i'm tempts to ask for the reincarnation for
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a particular virus." >> they mean saving the earth from humans. i believe we need to improve the earth for cause global warming? >> yeah, we cause a lot of things. every species survives by transforming the world around it. sometimes you accomplish what you want, sometimes you have a side effect. at worst it's a side effect, when you the effect of burning all this coal is we have the safest climate in history because we can build such a durable and comfortable civilization. if you care about the poor people, they can be safe from climate, too. and this idea of environmentalists, they just want to enjoy the earth. b.s.. if you are against oil, how will you get to the grand canyon?
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i've gone a lot of places because of oil and technology and we've improved the earth. that's what they call a cancer. i call it great. >> and they appreciate it because it's beautiful and no people should be around. you say -- >> historically there were even people there. so the whole thing is a scam. they think the grand canyon should exist and no one should see it and we should be able to contemplate the landscape in our yard while we're borderline starving to death. that's a primitive life. i want a life where i can enjoy the nature and manmade. >> and hate drered of gmo foods? >> there is no evidence they're harmful. but the reason they're opposed is because they're manmade. and it means mindmade and it means made deliberately to man. nature doesn't make stuff for us. it's neutral. >> it's just that maybe it will change the food to kill us and there will be a mutation -- >> manmade is using the mind
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to-to-benefit human life. if you're against the mind, you're against human life. >> racist against the human race. >> we as a race have low self-esteem seem and it's time for human self-esteem. this is one form. i love nuclear, a lot of things. fossil fool fuels is a way of improving life on earth. doesn't always go right. but we can call it earth day or man kaday. >> thank you, alex. good news when talking to people about earth day from a child. i'll show you why i think this girl should run for president after the break. after the break. throwing in the $1,000 fuel reward card is really what makes it like two deals in one. salesperson #2: actually, getting a great car with 42 highway miles per gallon makes it like two deals in one. salesperson #1: point is there's never been a better time to buy a jetta tdi clean diesel.
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this earth day, it's time to ask what are people thinking? are they thinking at all? >> temperatures are changing now because of i guess the ozone layer. >> global warming? pretty much just you ruins everything around the world. >> too much hairspray in the '80s. >> she at least i think was joking. but most every told us they want to stop climate change. when i asked them how, they're not so clear. they look for rituals that make
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them feel cleanse. things like everything from being more conscious of how-will-what they're throwing away and how they're recycling. if we recycle more, will that affect climate change? >> i think it will start. every the bit counts. >> recycle. we're going to recycle everything. >> and if everybody in america recycled, would that affect climate change? >> definitely. he tries to throw things away when i'm not looking, but i pick through the trash. >> sometimes i'm like i'm going to throw it away just because i can. >> more people should be walking, bike riding. >> that wouldn't change my life much. that's how i get to work. but it nt wouit won't make a de clo climate change. almost everyone talked about recycling. recycling has almost nothing to do with cry matt change. it might reduce our use for
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landfills, but there is no shortage of space for landfills. most of what we heard was meaningless environmental feel good blabber. and then government agencts on . once you decide nature is good and moral, the reasons to restrict human activity are endless. some environmentalists won't be satisfied up our carbon footprint is zero. of course that would require abolishing civilization. but if our impact on nature is so evil, abolishing us wouldn't be so bad. the group earth first had a slogan. most don't think civilization is evil, but most of us passively submit to green demands. we don't have time to do the complex calculations of our economic tradeoffs. it's easier to just recycle something. but the earth won't notice.
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rarely do people think about climate change in terms of costs as well as benefit. when we ask people about their preferred source of power, they were almost unanimous. >> solar power. >> solar. it's cleaner. >> solar energy without a doubt. >> really? even though it's much more expensive and takes up vast areas of land for solar panels and it only produces you power sometimes? we want it because it makes us feel good. but at last some good news. sometimes i see a glimmer of hope, someone who gets it despite all the propaganda that surrounds her, even from her own mom, one who has enough wisdom so when we ask about the best source of power, we get one sensible answer. >> i think solar power. definitely i think we need to explore solar power. >> i think oil. we need to explore it. >> yes, we do need to explore
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for oil because it's all that stands between us and poverty. i can't wait for that girl to run for president. that's our show. see you next week. hello. i'm kelly wright. welcome to a brand new hour inside america's headquarters. >> topping the news this hour, the desperate search for survivors is becoming more urgent in two disasters around the world. crews looking for the hundreds missing in the wreckage of a sunken south korean ferry. >> and tragedy at the world's tallest peak. the death tall is rises at mt. everest. the latest on the massive and deadly avalanche. plus a neighborhood on lockdown after
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