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>> and now, john stossel. >> do you have a facebook account? do you post pictures on instagram or personal things on twitter or linkedin? you probably do. most americans now do. it's how we connect with friends, share pictures, give updates about our lives. i love facebook. this page helps me understand what you think and you give me feedback that makes me smarter. i also have a personal facebook page that helps me stay in touch with friends, arrange volleyball games. my life is infinitely better because of facebook. but there's a down side. loss of privacy. more of a loss of privacy than i realized before i researched this program. recently a comedian freaked out random people by demonstrating how much he could learn about them. >> i wanted to see how easy it could be to get personal information from complete

strangers. >> first he checked this app that showed him social media users near him. then he checked sites like twitter and instagram to learn things about them. >> is your name jessica. >> yeah. >> hi, nice to meet you. >> how do you know my name? >> hey, stephanie. how are you doing? i'm jack. >> did you just make that up? >> elena, right? >> yeah. >> i understand why that guy said he would call the police. can you imagine, someone, a stranger coming up to you and saying, hi, glad you enjoyed your florida trip. how are the kids ben and emily? that would freak me out. and it freaks out eric, a web producer who writes about twitter, facebook, and so on. the business of social media. so why does it freak you out? >> this is why it freaks me out. it is. it's the business of social media. we all want convenience. that's why you like book or any

other app that you download on to your smartphone. >> it's more than convenient. >> it makes everything easy. if you understand you're going to get that and it's only going to get easier and better and on the other side you're giving up everything. your life isn't private anymore. >> but it's not everything. it's only what i choose to post. >> yeah, it's what you choose to post but it's also what you choose to be educated on like in the privacy settings. like, i don't -- facebook now knows -- facebook knows when you're about to break up. when you're about to change your relationship. before you do it, facebook knows it. >> what do you mean? >> facebook has done a study on updates with a very large sample of people and they have learned how to be able to tell when a relationship is breaking down on facebook. >> so do they say he's communicating with this person less and less. >> yes. >> he's checking other people's pictures. >> he's not as happy. his posts aren't as opt --

whatever the algorithm is. but 94% of the time its right. >> they know before my friends do. >> they're not telling people and most of us aren't that interesting and what i do on the internet, it's the same as the real world. don't do it on the internet if you won't do it in the real world but i do like my privacy. i like it. i find that facebook, suddenly now, facebook recognition. if i'm in a party and somebody takes a picture, boom, on facebook, there's eric at that pear, it's not that i don't want everybody to know i was there, but nor was i bragging that i was there. i should be the one that gets that choice. i think you have to be careful. be careful what you're opting in for. >> and people are clearly bothered by it. just as shown by the fact that that video got 3 million hits on youtube. >> sure. wouldn't that freak you out? >> and the thing is the whole issue came to light i believe because of edward snowden. everything about the nsa and

what we saw, it's our own government. everybody is watching is everybody. there is no sesecrets. it's public information and as long as you accept that you can get a lot of convenience. >> there is a difference. a made a deal with facebook when i signed up or google. i didn't make a deal with the nsa. >> but the deals you're making when you check the box, you're signing up for a lot more -- your apple agreement, your apple agreement you signed if you have an apple computer includes a clause that prohibits you from developing nuclear warfare. not only do social media sites know lots about us they make money selling what they know about us. you say you didn't agree to that? you actually did. just about every time you use the internet you have to agree to what they call terms and conditions. this video is from a movie that raises questions about that.

i routinely click agree but i never read the terms and conditions because they're endless. few people read them. in grand central station i found one guy who said he did. >> you've seen the terms and conditions. >> yeah. >> do you ever read that? >> i do because i want to know what i'm agreeing to. >> have you ever refused to sign? >> no. >> everyone signs because you want to use the website. except for the one guy that claims he reads it, nobody reads the fine print because if you were to read everything you agreed to it would take one full month of workout of every year. here's an example. you grant linkedin a nonexclusive irrevocable, worldwide, p worldwide, perpetual -- so they take pretty much everything forever. you find this in google,

facebook, pinterest. >> he think the government will get him. >> you didn't read them? i read the entire thing every time it pops up. >> no one reads it. what's your point. if you read them, you click it, so what? >> i mean, look these terms and conditions are designed not to be read. they strip you of rights in these terms and conditions. they basically take away in constitution in terms and conditions and say look even though you have these rights in the physical world, in the digital world, you don't have any. europe has a law that requires companies to tell customer who is ask exactly what data they store. >> got it right there. that's 1,222 pages. >> yet it's easy for facebook to zip through that information and learn private things about you. >> type in one word, let's say demonstration or sex or political party or something and within seconds you'll find the

right information. so within a couple of minutes you can figure out what people voted for, what psychological problems they have. all of this information is really easy actually. >> so let's say guilty or innocent my stack of information. what do i gain by having that? >> what you gain is fear. >> you could build a really detailed profile about someone. this goes far beyond what any government organization was ever capable of in the past. this is something which governments have wanted for a very long time and which facebook does for them rea read >> at least with facebook and incii instagr instagram. i can say i don't like what you're doing. >> national geographic pulled out of instagram and they changed the policy. so we have power with these businesses? >> we have power if we have knowledge but overall i think it's pretty frightening how much

our privacy is invaded and that we don't know it. >> a couple of years ago facebook changed it's privacy settings. >> yeah, overnight facebook went from basically allowing users to have their settings, private settings to turning all of those switches basically on. saying now default is to share with the entire world. if you had gone in and had your settings put to private, they flipped them to public. so you had to go in and say i want to keep my information private. >> but that's only if you can figure it out. it's not so easy. >> people didn't know about it. at a tech conference mark zuckerberg was asked about the change. >> doing a privacy change for 350 million users is a -- it's not the type of things that a lot of companies would do. we decides views would be the social norms now. >> over the course of the night facebook turned what was once private information into totally public information. >> you didn't hear about people leaving facebook? >> well, i mean, this is the

reason terms and conditions may apply was to bring awareness to these issues. we are busy people. and they also prey on our desire to connect. and in exchange for that, we don't want to take the time to think about the ramifications. we just want it to work. but meanwhile there's a 5-year-old out there right now that's going to lose the presidential race when he runs because of something that happened in his youth. he's going to give it away. >> i don't think we'll blame 5 year olds but 20-year-olds. people post very intimate things. >> well, if you think about what you type into a google search engine and those searches are stored. what you share with google is probably more personal than what you write in a diary. >> what young people share with each other is pretty intimate. who they slept with. how they felt about it. collin tried to interview mark zuckerberg about privacy and facebook didn't respond to his e-mails so he chased zuckerberg

down at his house. >> mr. zuckerberg, i'm working on a documentary. i have a little blog here but wondering if i could just ask you a couple of questions? >> no, sorry. >> really? >> do you still think privacy is dead? >> what's your point in doing this? >> facebook time and time again has pulled a privacy is dead. we're pushing the social norms. but the reality is that privacy is not dead. facebook and all of these social media companies need for privacy to be dead because that's what aligns up for their business models. >> what do you want them to do? not do it? they have to make money by selling ads. >> there's differ business models out there. different ways we can share that don't involve the company aggregating every single piece of information about us in order to advertise better. we're going to innovate our way out of this hole. it's the only solution. we have to start thinking about how to build system with privacy

at the forefront but people have to understand why privacy matters. >> now on to the next generation of privacy invading technology, google glass. have you seen these? stieps th sometimes they look like real glasses, but this is the technology. it lets you learn more about what you're looking at and do other things. >> i can go like this okay glass and take your picture. >> i don't like it. i feel like that's too much exposure. >> i don't know how i feel about that. that's a little scary. >> it freaks me out that you could know my name before i talk to you and know information about me. >> should the government do something to protect us? >> i think the government eventually is going to have to regulate somehow. >> once these are more widespread do you think people could go around like this. >> google actually posted a note on its website saying if you use google glass don't be a glass hole and invade people's privacy

i guess. that's how it should work. google is saying be reasonable. >> yeah, be reasonable and give this toy that captures absolutely everything and completely invades our privacy -- be reasonable? i don't know how you can be reasonable. >> do you want to ban it? >> no once again we can't. that's happening. >> well, government can do whatever it wants. >> google glass will get better and just get more intrusive and i think people need to understand that. >> thank you eric. to keep this conversation going on facebook or twitter use the privacy hashtag and let people know what you think. coming up, flying cameras. a new way for government and others to spy on us. >> you can be up in the air and take picture of your family sitting on the beach on vacation in hawaii and share it out to your friends. >> next, however, how crooks can use the web to steal your identity. we scott: okay, neighbors, here's the top-drawer skinny. scotts wraps each seed in a brilliant water smart plus coating,

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computer. a hacker managed to grab them and sent them to gossip websites. jay-z, ashton kutcher, kim kardashian weren't happy to find their social security numbers and credit card numbers posted on a russian website. how do crooks get this information and is there anything we can do to protect ourselves? he's a consultant for the internet security company. they get paid to stymy hackers and scanners. how do they get in and get my stuff? >> they get in because consumers may not have antivirus or spy ware or firewall set up. >> when you say antivirus i think of malware things that wreck the computer but now it's to keep the crooks off? >> correct. that's designed to keep the bad

guys out. >> it keeps them out? >> a good antivirus program will keep them out. if they're engaging in the right behavior or not the wrong behavior that would invite and attack. >> we'll go more and more into details about what you can do to protect yourself shortly. let's first talk about what gets taken from people? >> so bad guys are looking for the social security number on your devices, right? so they can use that to open up new accounts under your name. new credit cards, bank acounts and so on. or they're looking for existing account numbers. >> people that lost $500 million this year. >> yeah. >> and yet, you work for macaphee, the department of homeland security hypes terrorism. you're probably exaggerating

this threat. >> i get e-mails from people every single day that are victims of these crimes. they feel like the puppet and the bad guy is a puppeteer. these people are losing thousands of dollars. they're hemorrhaging money and losing a lot of sleep as well. >> the credit card companies sort of protect you. they say if you report it to us, most you can lose is $50. and time to report it. a bank account you have less time. >> report any fraud when your bank account is compromised. you have 60 days to report fraud if your bank account is compromised. nine out of ten consumers don't even pay attention to their credit card statements paying them a monthly minimum so they end up paying for an identity thief. >> when i throw out my device i erase it. that protects me? >> that may not be enough. i was able to buy 30 devices off of craigslist within in a 30

mile radius of my home, laptops, desktops, netbooks. >> somebody told it and presumably wiped it clean. >> i asked them if they wiped it clean and all of them said they did and on half of the devices i was able to find enough data to steal identities even after they erased the hard drives or reset it back to factory. >> i thought erase means erase. >> because of the way the technology is built there's these partitions or additional closets that there's still stuff stored in there like a back up. so bad guys know how to find that when you recycle it or throw it away or resell it. so you have to destroy that drive or use a shredder to eliminate the data. >> you saying nowhere phishing. >> yeah, any time you receive an e-mail or text message that say pick this link, that's designed to trick you or spoof you. it's entering personal information.

>> if it comes from somebody i know it's okay to open that. >> no. >> so how do i communicate with people? >> people that you know, if you and i are having dialogue i might click links and i'll engage in that. but if i get an e-mail from my bank saying hey your statements ready. click on this link to access your statement. i'm not going to click that link. it's so con convenient to click that link and bad guys know that. if you type into it the address bar or go to your favorites menu, these extra steps you might take protect you. >> you say slurp up the information. >> if you use a wireless network you have to have encryption. >> yes. >> so public wifi, airports, hotels out in the open. i can see your data as it's transmitting through the air. >> but if i'm on free wifi i don't give out my credit card numbers that way. >> well, some people do, right? >> yeah. >> so as long as i don't, i'm okay. >> they can't crawl into the computer and get other stuff. >> your operating system is

susceptible to code which a bad guy can implant a virus on your machine. >> okay. >> they can get full remote access to your device. >> and finally, change the password and don't use the same password. >> correct. >> nobody does that. i mean, we all tend to use the same kind of thing. >> if you have the same password for all of your accounts with the same user name, if one account gets hacked, all of those accounts can get hacked. and when the bad guy gets access to your e-mail, he owns you. change up your passwords, upper case, lower case, numbers and have different passwords for different accounts. >> how do you remember them? >> a password manager. >> so a crook finds that in my computer he's totally got me. >> there's encryption there. but look, you have to have layers of protection. the more you do the more secure you're going to be. if you do nothing, then you are next on the list. >> robert, thank you. good advice. coming up, spies i found on my

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iphone and the government says this will prevent accidents or this will help determine who was at fault in the accident. this is a good thing. they have plenty of examples. the crash in florida. the gps tracker device showed it was going 114 miles per hour seconds before it killed two people. and that was used to convict the driver of manslaughter. >> it's being used in a whole bunch of ways against you, me, and the rest of the world in civil lawsuits. gm started these in the 90s. and they did it out of quality. we want to check out the quality of our vehicles and it started from there. but there are no rules. there are no boundaries and technology evolved to where now these recorders which are about the size of two decks of cards are in about 96% of them. >> they'll put it on tv. >> that's a primetime to go hit his house and get that ice

silver that his grandma gave him. all sorts of opportunities to reign in our own privacy and say nothing about the fact that you go to somebody's house to visit. your gps tracker may take you there and may show that you are there. what if hah information is now being shared with other friends that should have been invited to the house at the same time and now you find yourself explaining, oh, i'm sorry. you weren't included in that lovely dinner. >> the government wants the trackers mandatory in all cars. they're already in more than 90%. companies use them to keep track of employees. the wall street journal reports one company found one worker overseeing a woman during the day and another admitted he was blowing off work. they fired him but caught him with the trackers. >> they do. this may have some cost savings for companies that decide to put this in their vehicle. i assume fox could -- fox can

legally track me by knowing where i am by my phone. i don't know if i do or maybe they do. >> if somebody says politically in the infrastructure of your company wants to go after you just because they don't like the shade of your mustache, well they can start using this technology and say you know what, john was over here and he really should have been over there and let's put that one down and let's put another one day. >> agree to that when we get paid by the company. where we don't agree is schools have been caught tracking students. >> oh, with cameras on laptops. >> you may not know this, but, you know, your laptop, of course, has this camera and they sometimes the police or the school in this case without your knowledge. >> every device we're buying has a camera to it. this technology has been hacked and readily been proved to show photographs of people who never turn their camera on. >> have to put a piece of tape

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>> i don't want the government telling me where i can and can't fly this device but they are saying you may not use these for commercial usages. well, what's a commercial use and is this a rule or memo out of the faa. >> we'll see how that sorts out. thank you, coming up, you want to do one hinge ththing that co protect you from internet spots. >> did you ever think of going off the grid. >> no, that's like going off the planet. and just give them the basics, you know. i got this. [thinking] is it that time? the son picks up the check? [thinking] i'm still working. he's retired. i hope he's saving. i hope he saved enough. who matters most to you says the most about you. at massmutual we're owned by our policyowners, and they matter most to us.

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her father did. >> they outed her. >> explain that. >> so target like pretty much any other big retailer, they track what you buy, right? so what target did in that case, allegedly, is they determined that pregnant women typically buy a lot of moisturizer during a certain trimester and these other products so this teenager ended up in that pool of people that would get in the mail a bunch of coupons for whatever the moisturizer was and some of these other products that pregnant women buy. >> and they mailed her the coupons and her father asked why are you getting these? >> yeah. it's just become this story that typifies how marketers use information and how much information they're collecting on us. >> they know before you may even know said a guy in a previous segment about who you're going

to break up with. what other data collection do people not know about? >> companies can track us by proxy through our phones. they can track where we're going. our locations. so we might be in, you know, a department store or in a restaurant and they can track whether or not we lingered in front of a shoe display for a few minutes. >> but they could just see that. they're in the store. >> yeah. it's a lot easier for them to track patterns, especially with huge numbers of people coming into a store over, you know, say weeks or a month. they can -- they can -- if they have it digitized then they can analyze it more readily. >> if they see the customer, this phone was near the shoes, then i may get an ad on here for shoes. >> yeah, you might get it when you're still in the store. that's the goal. they want to capture you when you're right there. >> so, i can tell from your tone of voice that while getting the ad may be annoying, you don't

find any of this threatening? >> oh, i wouldn't surmise that. >> what's threatening? >> anything that could be digitized is generating data. marketers want it. all sorts of companies want it. the government wants it. everybody wants it. we should be aware of it. >> is there anything to be scared of? >> i think we need to -- >> we have this scary title. >> i think that we need to be less fear mongering about these issues and more knowledgeable about them and the more every day people can learn about the reality of what's happening, then they can see maybe i'm comfortable with these guys having my information but not these guys. >> if i buy an advertiser supported app like angry birds, if i don't pay for it i get ads and in exchange they know that i

was in new york city and not in chicago so i'll get new york store ads. if you're worried about who is grabbing your internet searches there's apps that claim they'll help you. >> not many things are more personal than what you search for online. but you're typical searches are anything but private. >> you know when you browse the web you're getting tracked but you probably don't realize just how many companies have pieces of your information. these profiles, they misrepresent you. not only do they effect your browsing experience, they effect you. the real you. yeah, you might get some more relevant ads, but at what cost? >> the video says they misrepresent you. they slow down your browsing experience. is this true? >> the slowing down of the browser experience is definitely true. i mean, how many websites do you visit on a regular basis and it takes, you know, five seconds to load the page because there's an ad that's trying to come up. >> i downloaded it and it tells me when i use google chrome and

go to facebook, all of these other sites grab information from me as well. so i go to amazon, these sites watch. even one of my favorite sites, reason.com has all of these other sites spying on my interests. this tells me that but it doesn't stop it. >> right. >> there are companies that promise to stop it. >> yeah. but really the easiest way, i mean, if you're using, say, mozilla's firefox as your browser or internet explore rer, the explorer, go into your settings and tell it you want certain types disabled. >> it give mess a choice to clear my history and that takes it off my computer. >> right. >> but google still knows. >> yeah, that information is being gathered as it's happening in real time. so google, facebook. >> it doesn't matter. >> it's already in their data

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. john: i'm addicted i'm addicted.d every day i spend at least an hour on the web. i need google and facebook. i read on my kindle. i no longer watch the weather channel because i can't stand to wait six minutes for the local forecast. i get into my little phone and so on. now, i'm told there was a time when we didn't have one of these things. but i can't believe that. i don't see how we could have survived. still, since on this show we have learned that some people are upset that businesses know what we do on the web, it made me want to ask people this. >> would you ever give up facebook and the internet for your privacy? >> no. no i value it too much. >> no. no way. >> no way. i love facebook. >> that's like going off the

planet. >> only two people said they might give it up. and yet some americans go off the grid. some say they want to break their internet addiction. do digital detox because they think that will give them deeper real connections with people. and they don't get that when they're always on the web. most people stay off the web for maybe a week or a month but most come back. however, paul miller went off the grid for a year. why? >> well, it was too much. i was using only internet for all of my life. i had been doing it since i was a teenager. i worked online. all of my friends were online. >> you were contributing editor. >> yeah, a technology writer. i was overwhelmed and i wanted to quit and get away. >> are you scared that they're watching you? does it bother you? >> it doesn't bother me. as a technology person there's so many cool things that if a company knew everything about me they could predict that -- they

could figure out paul is depressed right now and stopped taking his medication and we should call his mom. but that's terrifying for a lot of people but that might be comforting for me. >> the day you started your friends gave you a countdown and helped you unplug your internet connections. >> 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. paul's off the internet, dude. >> all right. so you were off and then what happened? >> well it was great at first. it was kind of a -- i got a high like a zen thing where nothing could bother me anymore and i was really at peace with the world and at one with myself and there's a lot of boredom but that lead me to read more and write more and be more productive. and then that kind of came around on me. >> you were lonely. >> i got pretty lonely and pretty bored and pretty sad. >> you fell out of sync with your friends?

>> yeah. i just wasn't on their radar. so i just want to get invited to the party. >> you wrote an article off line, love, loss, and dating without facebook. >> yeah. i met a girl and i literally didn't know her last name for like a month. just like -- i would just hang out with her and talk to her and i just knew her first name. >> otherwise you would have gone to facebook. >> i didn't have photos of her. >> you wrote i could only learn about her through conversation. >> yeah. >> what's wrong with that. >> it was wonderful. it was really interesting. it's just a little weird. it's a little different. >> a lot of people wondered if you were dead. >> yeah. well, a lot of the internet is just, i call it like touching base with people. like book has a poke. it's just like i still exist. i'm still around. i posted something on twitter. it doesn't matter what it is. i'm just continuing to exist. >> and suddenly you stop. >> when you don't have a

constant internet presence, you don't quite exist to people. and now, i'm back on the internet but i use twitter less and people are still like what happened to paul. something seriously is wrong because i haven't updated my internet presence. >> all right. you wrote without the internet my world has shrunk. >> it makes you have to kind of focus on what's right in front of you. the people right in front of you. the books that are right in front of you but you obviously can't have your fingers in everything. you can't keep track of everything anymore. and the thing is that it was really selfish of me because that's where the people are. >> was it hard to go for a year? >> i couldn't do it again. but for that time, i was just sort of in the. >> you couldn't do it again? why not? >> i mean -- >> he when off in a cabin for two years and wrote walden. >> i'm proud of him and he did a

good job but i didn't -- it didn't fix my life. it didn't fix everything. it wasn't the perfect experience and i don't have some sort of idea to write about how people should stop heating their homes. i felt like real life is the internet now and i want to use the internet better and have self-control with it and be better at it. but it's real life. that's where things are happening so i need to be there. >> thank you, paul miller. >> thank you. >> coming up, if they are watching us all that time, what do we really lose? do we really lose?all stations o mission a for a final go. this is for real this time. step seven point two one two. verify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two, one. standing by for capture.

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john: >> what if i don't want that guy to know anything i'm doing. go away. why won't they leave us alone? but i guess it's pointless for me to complain. they know what i do. privacy apparently is a thing of the past. today, a website called google allows anyone anywhere to learn all kinds of things about us for free. any stranger can see dozens of pictures of me. some of these i didn't want sent all around the world but too bad for me. some of these aren't even of me. some were photo shopped by weirdos. but i have no control over this.

likewise, google reveals information about me. lots of it. some of it is wrong but there's little i can do about that either. facebook knows my preferences and who i might stalk. other sites track what i like to read. what a browse, what i buy. i'm told i should be very upset about this but i'm not. i depend on getting and sending e-mails. for all i know, my 16-year-old neighbor hijacks them and sells them to my political enemies. i have plenty of those and they'd love to embarrass me. so far i don't think that's happened but who knows. because of today's technology i changed my behavior years ago. i try not to e-mail anything too embarrassing. i'm aware when i search the web someone might watch. i'll deal with that. if you find out what i like to do on the weekend, what medications i take or that i've seen a psycho therapist, so what? i'm not ashamed. i want to do something really embarrassing, i better do it in

private. for all of the privacy i've lost, i'd never give up my cell phone or favorite websites to get it back. these websites provide me with so much good stuff. quick access to the whole world. if it means i lose some privacy, oh well, that's a price i'll pay for progress. what upsets me is when i ask people -- >> when you worry about your privacy and all the information on the web, do you worry more about government or business? >> business. >> i am worried more about business. >> business. >> what? don't they understand that all those businesses can do is try to sell me stuff? bother me with advertisements. of all the people i asked only one woman gave the sensible answer. >> who are you more nervous about? government or business? >> i'm more nervous, especially these days about government. >> right. government can use force. business can't. government employees can forcibly take our money, put us

in jail, take our freedom. government spying is a much bigger threat than anything business might do. that's our show for tonight. see you next week. >> hello. welcome to a brand new hour of america's news headquaters. >> topping the news this hour, tougher sanctions against russia could be coming in a matter of days as pro-russian separatists in ukraine are holding them hostage. >> and there's controversy swirling around the owner of one of the nba teams. have you heard about this? disturbing audio recordings