in it either. watch how one sheet of new bounty keeps working, while their two sheets just quit. new bounty. the no-quit picker-upper. you can't have 100% security and also then have 100% privacy. >> what if i don't want that guy to listen into my phone calls? i should be advised when my privacy is invaded. >> you voluntarily give up lots of information. >> not many things are more personal than what you search for online, but your typical searches are anything but private. >> is there any way to take privacy back? the government, the data brokers online, they know what you do.

that's our show tonight. do you have a facebook account? do you post pictures on instagr instagram, personal things on twitter or linked in? most americans do. it's how we connect with friends and share pictures and give updates about our lives. i love facebook. this page helps me understand what you think, and feedback that makes me smarter. i also have a personal facebook page that helps me stay in touch with friends. my life is infintly better because of facebook, but there's a downside. loss of privacy. recently, a comedian freaked out random people by demonstrating how much he could learn about

them. >> i wanted to see how easy it is to get personal information from complete stranger. >> then he checked sites like twitter and instagram to learn things about them. >> is your name jessica? >> yeah. >> hi, nice to meet you. how are you? >> great. what the [ bleep ] are you doing? >> are you stephanie? >> how do you know me? >> i'm jack. >> did you just make that up? >> you're elena, right? >> can you imagine someone, a stranger coming up to you, and asking you, how did you enjoy your florida trip? that would freak me out. it freaks out a web producer who writes about twitter, facebook, and so on and the business of social media. why does it freak you out? >> this is why it freaks me out. it's the business of social media. we all want convenience.

that's why you like facebook or any other app you would download on your smartphone. >> it's a family connection. >> it makes everything easy. it makes everything easy. if you understand on one side you're going to get that and it's only going to get easier and better. your life isn't private anymore. >> it's not everything. it's only what i choose to post. >> it's also what you choose to be educated on like in the privacy settings. facebook knows when you're about to breakup, when you're about to change a relationship, facebook knows it before you do it. facebook has done a study on updates with a very large sample of people and they have learned how to tell when a relationship is breaking down on facebook in advance. >> gee, he's communicating with this person less and less. >> he's not as happy.

whatever they're algorithm is, but they're right. >> they know before my friends do. >> yeah. >> it's not like they're telling me. >> they're not telling people and most of us are not that interesting. don't do it on the internet if you don't do in the real world, but i do like my privacy. facebook suddenly now -- facial recognition. if i'm at a party and somebody takes a picture i'm in the background of, boom, there's eric in the background of that party. i should be the one who gets that choice. i think you just have to be careful. when you opt in, be careful what you're opting in for. >> people are clearly bothered by it. just as shown by the fact that that video got 3 million hits on youtube. >> wouldn't that freak you out? the whole issue came to light, i

believe, because of edward snowden. it's our own government. everybody is watching everybody. there is no secrets. once you type it in your keyboard, it's public information. >> there is a difference. i made a deal with facebook when i signed up or google. i didn't make a deal with the nsa. >> the deals that you're making when you check the box, you're signing up for a lot more -- your apple agreement that you signed, if you have an apple computer, includes the clause that prohibits you from developing nuclear warfare. >> social media sites make money selling what they know about us. you say you didn't agree to that. you actually did. just about every time you use the internet, you have to agree to what they call terms and conditions. this video is from a movie that raises questions about that.

now, i routinely click agree, but i never read the terms and conditions because they're endless. few people read them. in grand central station i found one guy who said they did. >> you've seen the terms and conditions screen. >> yes. >> do you ever read that? >> yes. >> why? >> because i want to know what i'm agreeing to. >> except for that one guy who claims he reads it, no one reads the fine print because -- >> it would take one full month of work out of every year. you grant linked in a nonexclusive worldwide unlimited unassignable, licensable. linked in takes everything forever. you'll find this kind of language in google, pintrest, facebook, pretty much everything

people consider free. >> south park did a show where men in the government are going to get him because he clicked agree. >> you didn't read them? >> who reads that entire thing when it pops up? >> no one reads it. what's your point? if you read them, you click it. so what. >> look, these terms and conditions are designed not to be read. they strip you of rights in these terms and conditions. even though you have these rights in the physical world, in the digital world, you don't have any. >> there's law that requires companies to tell people what data they have stored. >> that's 1,222 pages. >> it's easy for facebook to zip through that information and learn private things about you. >> you type in one word, let's

say demonstration, sex, or political party. within a couple of minutes, you can figure out what people voted for, what parties they've been to, all these informations are really easy to find actually. >> so let's say i got my stack of information. what do i gain by having that? >> what you gain is fear. you can build a really detailed profile about someone. this goes far beyond whatever government organization was capable of in the past. this is something which governments have wanted for a very long time and which facebook does for them readily. >> if i don't like what they're doing, i can say, you're selling my stuff, i'm not going to do business with you. instagram backed off. national geographic pulled out of instagram and they changed the policy. we have power with these businesses. >> we have power if we have

knowledge. overall, it is pretty frightening how much our privacy is invaded and we don't know it. >> overnight, facebook went from basically allowing users to have their private settings to turning all those situations on. default is to share with the entire world. if you had gone in before and had your settings on private, they flipped them to public. >> that's only if you can actually figure it out. it's not easy. >> people didn't know about it. mark zuckerberg was asked about the change. >> due to the privacy change for 350 million users, it's not the type of things a lot of companies would do. >> facebook termed what was once private information into totally public information. >> you didn't hear about people

leaving facebook. >> this is the reason terms and conditions may apply is to bring awareness to these issues. we're busy people and they prey on our desire to connect. we just want it to work. >> meanwhile, there's a 5-year-old out there right now whose going to lose the presidential race because of something that happened in his youth. he's going to give it away. >> i don't think we'll blame 5 year olds, but 20 year olds. people post intimate things. >> what you share with google is probably more personal than what you write in a diary. >> what young people share with each other is pretty intimate. who they slept with, how they felt about it. he chased zuckerberg down at his

house. >> mr. zuckerberg, i'm working on a documentary. i'm wondering if i could just ask you a couple questions. >> i'm sorry. >> really? do you still think privacy is dead? >> what was your point in doing this? >> facebook time and time again has told us privacy is dead. we're pushing the social norms, but the reality is privacy is not dead. facebook and these social media companies need for privacy to be dead because that's what aligns with their business models. >> they have to make money by selling ads. >> there are different business models out there. there are different ways we can share that don't involve the company gathering information about us under these auspices. we have to start thinking about how to build systems with

privacy at the forefront. people have to understand why privacy matters. >> on to the next generation of privacy invading technology, google glass. have you seen these? this is the new technology. it lets you learn more about what you're looking at and do other things. >> i can go like this. okay, glass, take your picture. >> i don't like it. i feel like that's too much exposure. >> i don't know how i feel about that. that's a little scary. >> it definitely freaks me out you could know my name before you even talk to me. >> i think the government eventually is going to have to regulate somehow. >> once these are more widespread, do you think people could go around like this? they could be glass holes? >> yes. >> google posted a note on its website that said if you use

google glass, don't be a glass hole and invade people's privacy. google is saying be reasonable. >> be reasonable and give us this toy that captures absolutely everything and completely invades -- be reasonable? i don't know how you can be reasonable. >> you want to ban it? >> no. once again, we can't. that's happening. >> well, we could. government can do whatever it wants. >> google glass will get better and will get more intrusive. >> thank you, eric and collin. to keep this conversation going, use the privacy hash tag. flying cameras, a new way for government and others to spy on us. >> you can be up in the air and take a picture of your family sitting on the beach while in hawaii and share it with your friends. how crooks can use the web

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sneak into our computers. scarlett johannson had some nude photos of herself on her computer. a hacker grabbed them and sent them to gossip sites. so how do the crooks get this information and is there anything we can do to protect ourselves? robert is a consultant for the internet security company mcp e mcph mcafee. how do they get in and get my stuff. >> they get in because consumers may not have anti-virus software set up. >> when you say anti-virus, i think of malware that hurts my computer. >> you have layers of protect. that's designed to keep the bad

guys out. >> this is a program you pay for and it searches your computer for bad guys. >> correct. >> and keeps them out? >> in general, a good anti-virus program is going to keep the bad guys out along with the consumers engaging in the right behavior or wrong behavior that would invite an attack. >> we're going to go into more details on how you can protect yourself shortly. let's talk about what gets taken from people. >> bad guys look for your social security number. or they're looking for existing account numbers. >> people have lost $500 million this year. >> yeah. >> you work for mcafee. the global warming scientists hypes global warming.

you're probably exaggerating this threat. it hasn't happened to people i know. >> i get e-mails from people every day who this happens to. generally, these people are losing thousands of dollars. they're hemorrhaging money and they're losing a lot of sleep as well. >> the credit card companies sort of protect you. if you report it to us, the most you can lose is 50 bucks. with a bank account, you have less time. >> consumers have two days to and i was able to buy 30 devices within a 30-mile radius of my home.

laptops, desktops, i rose and ipods. >> meaning somebody sold it and presumably they wiped it clean. >> all of them said they did. on half of the devices, i found enough data to steal identities. there are closets where there is still stuff stored in there as a backup. bad guys now how to find that. you have to really destroy that drive or use a shredder basically to eliminate the data. >> youou say ignore phishing. >> that's designed to spoof you

into giving personal information. >> if it comes from somebody you know, it's okay to open that? >> no. >> how do i communicate with people? >> if we're having dialogue, i y might click links andou engage that. if i get an e-mail from my bank saying, your statement is ready, i'm not going to click that link. it's so convenient for us to click that link and bad guys know that. the extra steps you might take protect you. >> you say slurp up the information. if you use a wireless network, , you have to have encryption. >> public wi-fi, i can see yourd data as it is transmitting through the air. >> i just send out e-mails. i don't give out credit card numbers that way. >> some people do. >> as long as i don't, i'm okayf

>> your operating system is ma susceptible to injections of code where a bad guy can implant a virus on your machine. >> financially, change the password and don't use the sam password. nobody doeste that. we all tend to use the same kind of thing. >> if you have the same password for all of your accounts and thh same user name, if one account gets hacked, all your accounts could get hacked. >> how do you remember them? >> a password manager. >> there's encryption there. you mask your passwords. you have to have layers of protection. if you do hnothing, if you thr th youre hands up in the air, you >> robert, thank you.

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. >> you like the gps? you like the gps system? >> yeah, i think it's helpful. >> you know it means they know where you are. >> who's they? >> the police, the government. >> what if you're seeing a shrink and you don't want people to know or you don't want government or your phone company to always know where you are? too bad says a tech reporter, who calls himself cyber guy. big brother is already here. >> big brother has been chomping at our heels and privacy for years now. >> they know where i am, so what? >> i should be advised when my privacy is being invaded. >> i always knew they could find

me through my blackberry and iphone. the government says this will prevent accidents and help determine who is at fault in an accident. they have plenty of examples. the crash in florida. the gps tracker device showed it was going too fast and it was used to convict the driver of manslaughter. >> gm started these in the 90s and they did it for the quality. they wanted to check out the quality of their vehicles. there are no rules and boundaries. technology has evolved to where now these recorders, which are the size of two decks of cards, are in 96% of every automobile that's out on the market right now. >> so what? they'll know. >> that gets shared with

somebody else. it's a prime time to go to somebody's house and get that silver his grandmother gave him. opportunities have opened up when we have no ability to reign in our privacy. your gps tracker may take you there. what if that information is being shared with other friends who should have been invited to the house at the same time and you find yourself explaining, you weren't included in that lovely dinner? >> the government wants the trackers mandatory in all cars. they're already in 96%. another admitted he was blowing off work. they caught him with the trackers. >> they do. this may have some cost savings for companies who decide to put this in their vehicle.

>> fox can legally track me -- by nknowing where i am on my phone. i don't know if they do. >> if the informatirastructure r company wants to go after you if they don't like the shade of your mustache, they can say, john was paid to be here and he really wasn't here. >> schools have been tracking students. >> with cameras on laptops. >> your laptop has this camera and they -- sometimes the police or the school in this case can remotely turn the camera on without your knowledge. >> the bell should be ringing on this one. virtually every device that we're buying now has a camera on it. the technology to hack the

cameras has been out for a while now. >> the personal drone, we know the military uses drones and the police, but now anyone can buy one. here's a sales pitch. >> go up in the air, take a picture of your family sitting on the beach while in hawaii and share it with your friends while it is still flying. think about how you'll use this. take it with you on your next vacation and you'll be shooting photos from a whole new perspective. >> or be the creepy nature next door who loves gadgets and has no respect for your privacy. they have loaded it up with high definition videos and shooting it in your backyard. it'll go for 25 minutes. >> you want to ban it? >> i don't want the government telling me where i can and

cannot fly this device for the sake of privacy because i believe i have my own discretion. at the same time, the faa has chimed in on this one saying, you may not use these for commercial uses. what's a commercial use and is that the rule or is it some memo out of the faa? >> we'll have to see how that sorts out. coming up, would you want to do one thing that could protect you from internet spies? >> do you ever thinking of going off the grid and getting rid of your internet connections? >> that's like going off the planet. join today at angieslist.com

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books, even obscure libertarian books. has libertarianism gotten so popular that advertisers run ads everywhere? no, they're not advertising everywhere. they're just advertising to me. they knew i was interested in liberty. they're tracking what i do on the web. so should we worry about that? kate kay reports on privacy and data collection for advertising aids. they know what we do? >> they no in a very general manner what we do. maybe you've shared articles about libertarian issues. >> so are they selling that to some bookstore? >> they're allowing access to the book publisher through countless middle men online. >> and they don't just know what i might buy. there was a story in forbes.

the store target figured out a teen girl was pregnant before her father did. >> they outed her. >> explain that. >> so target, like, pretty much any other big retailer, they track what you buy, right? what target did in that case allegedly, they determined that pregnant women typically buy a lot of moisturizer during a certain trimester and they buy these other products. this teenager ended up in that pool of people who would get coupons for the moisturizer for pregnant women. >> they mailed them to her and her father asked, why are you getting these? >> it's a story that typifies what these organizations are doing. >> they know before you may even

know. what other data collection do people not know about? >> companies can track us by proxy through our phones. our locations. we might be in a department store or in a restaurant, and they can track whether or not we lingered in front of a shoe display for a few minutes. >> they can just see that. they're in the store. >> it's a lot easier for them to track patterns with huge numbers of people coming into a store over weeks or, say, a month. they can -- if they have it digitized, they can analyze it more readily. >> if this phone was near the shoes, i may get an ad for the shoes. >> you might get it in the

store. >> i can tell from the tone in your voice while the ad may be annoying, you don't find any of this threatening. >> i wouldn't surmise that. >> okay. what's threatening? >> anything that can be digitized is generating data. marketers want it. government wants it. >> is there anything to be scared of? we have this scary title, they know what you do. >> i think we need to be less fear mongering about these issues and more knowledgeable about them. the more everyday people can learn about the everyday realities of what's happening, maybe they can see, maybe i'm comfortable with these guys having my information, but not these guys. >> if i buy angry birds, if i don't pay for it, i get ads.

in exchange, they know i was in new york city and not in chicago, so i'll get new york store ads. >> right. >> if you're worried about who is grabbing your internet searches, there are ads that claim they'll help you. >> your typical searches are anything but private. >> you know when you browse the web you're getting tracked, but you don't realize how many companies have pieces of your information. these profiles, they misrepresent you. they affect you, the real you. you might get some more relevant ads, but at what cost? >> they misrepresent you. they slow down your browsing experience. is this true? >> the slowing down of the browser experience is definitely true. how many websites do you visit on a regular basis and it takes five seconds to load the page because there's an ad that's trying to come up? >> i downloaded disconnect and

it tells me when i use google chrome and go to facebook, all these other sites grab information from me as well. if i go to amazon, these sites watch. even one of my favorite sites, reason.com has all these other sites spying on my interests. this tells me that, but it doesn't stop it. >> right. >> there are companies that promise to stop it. >> yeah, but really the easiest way -- if you're using say firefox or internet explorer, which most people use, there are settings -- you can go into your settings and tell it you want certain types of tracking disabled. >> on my computer, it gives me a choice to clear my history. >> uh-huh. >> and that takes it off my computer, but google still knows. >> yeah because that information is being gathered as it's happening in realtime.

it's already in their databases. it's already waiting for the nsa to pick it up. >> but people who pick up my computer can't see where i was. thank you. there is one foolproof way to make sure business can't track your interests on the web. stop using the internet and your smartphone. some people do try that. they call it going off the grid. that's next. [ female announcer ] skin looking tired? wake it up with olay regenerist. formulated with a skin energizing complex, it penetrates 10 layers of the skin's surface. because energized skin is younger looking skin. ♪ of course i had no idea what it was.

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. john: i'm addicted, every day a spend at least an hour i'm addicted. hour every day i spend at least an hour on the web. i need google and facebook. i read on my kindle. i no longer watch the weather channel because i can't stand to wait six minutes for the local forecast. i get it on my phone and so on. now i'm told there was a time when we didn't have one of these things, but i can't believe that. i don't see how we could have survived. still since on this show we have learned some people are upset that businesses know what we do on the web, it made me want to ask people this. >> would you ever give up facebook and the internet for your privacy? >> no. i value it too much. >> no way.

i love facebook. >> no, that's like going off the planet. >> only two people said they might give it up and yet some americans go off the grid. some say they want to break their internet addiction. do internet detox because they think it'll give them deeper connections with people. most people stay off the web for maybe a week or a month, but most come back. paul miller went off the grid for a year. why? >> well, it was too much. i was using only internet for all of my life. i had been doing it since i was a teenager. i worked online. all my friends were online. >> you were a contributing editor at the verve. >> yeah, i was a technology writer. >> are you scared that they're watching you? does it bother you? >> it doesn't bother me. as a technology person, there are so many cool things that if

a company knew everything about me, they could figure out paul is depressed right now and we should call his mom. that might be comforting for me. >> the day you started, your friends gave you a countdown and helped you unplug your internet connections. >> five, four, three, two, one. paul's off the internet, dude. >> so you were off and then what happened? >> well, it was great at first. it was kind of -- i kind of got a high. a zen thing where nothing could bother me anymore and i was really at peace with the world and at one with myself. there's a lot of boredom, but that kind of led me to read more and write more and be more productive and then that kind of came around on me and i got really lonely and pretty bored and pretty sad. >> you fell out of sync with

your friends. >> i just wasn't on their radar. i just want to get invited to the parties. >> you wrote an article "offline, love, loss, and dating without facebook. >> i met a girl and i didn't know her last name for a month. i would just hang out with her and talk to her. >> otherwise you would have gone to facebook. >> i didn't have any photos of her. >> you wrote, i can only learn about her through conversation. what's wrong with that? >> it was wonderful. it was really interesting, but it was a little weird. it was a little different. >> a lot of people wondered if you were dead. >> a lot of the internet is just -- i call it touching base with people. facebook has a poke. i still exist. i'm still around. i posted something on twitter. doesn't matter what it is. i'm just continuing to exist. >> and suddenly you stop.

>> and when you don't have a constant internet presence, you don't quite exist to people. now i'm back on the internet, but i use twitter less and people still, what happened to paul? something is seriously wrong because i haven't updated my internet presence. >> you wrote, without the internet, my world has shrunk. >> it makes you have to focus on what's right in front of you, the people right in front of you, the books right in front of you. you can't have your fingers in everything. you can't keep track of everything anymore. the thing is that it was really selfish of me because that's where the people are. >> was it hard to go for a year? >> i couldn't do it again, but for that time i was in this -- >> you couldn't do it again. why not? he wrote walden. >> i'm very proud of him.

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people. but i have no control over there. google reveals information about me. lots of it. some of it's wrong, but there's little i can do about that either. facebook knows my preferences. other websites like to track what i read, what i browse, what i buy. i'm told i should be very upset about this, but i'm not. i depend on getting and sending e-mails. for all i know my neighbor hijacks them and sends them to my enemies. because of today's technology, i change d my behavior years ago. i try not to send anything embarrassing. if you like to find out what i do on the weekend or what medications i take, so what?

i'm not ashamed. for all the privacy i've lost, i'd never give up my cell phone or favorite websites to get it back. these websites provide me with such good stuff, quick access to the whole world. if i lose some privacy, oh, well. it's the price i pay for progress. >> do you worry more about government or business having your information? >> business. >> i'm worried more about business. >> business. >> what? don't they understand all those businesses can do is try and sell me stuff, bother me with advertisements? so what if they do? only one woman gave the sensible answer. >> who are you more nervous about, government or business? >> government. >> right. government can use force. business can't.

government employees can forcibly take our money, put us in jail, take our freedom. government spying is a much bigger threat than anything business might do. that's our show for tonight. see you next week.