see you tonight. hi, everyone. i'm dana perino. it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five." could the obama administration saved the lives of the four americans killed in benghazi. today testimony says that our military should have at least tried. but it was never even ordered. >> four individuals died. sir, we obviously did not respond in time to get there. >> could we have? >> we may have been able to, but we'll never know. >> was it a video? >> no, sir. >> was it a video that sparked a

protest? >> no, sir. >> democrats like nancy pelosi don't even seem to want answers. >> diversion subterfuge. and neither does the white house. here's jay carney taking more swipes at fox news. >> all you have to do is read it, ed. the so-called talking points which despite great efforts by your news organization and others have been proven not to be a it conspiracy but what inspired the dmemonstrations at the embassy in cairo. do you even remember? >> cairo i don't remember specifically. there was -- >> does anybody remember? >> no. we're investigating it. >> do you need a copy of the cia talking points. >> read them out all you want. go ahead. >> the only ning the e-mail that refers to benghazi is a cut and paste of the talking points which much to your disappointment and your bosses' disappointment ended up being produced by the cia. >> ed henry is here right now.

ed, i don't think there's been much tension like that in the briefing room for a while. there's lots of news on benghazi today, not just about the e-mail revealed on monday night that we'v this week but also this it testimony. your thoughts and then we'll take it around the table. >> sure. on the testimony front, there weren't a ton of new revelatio revelations. we've heard similar before. but i think what the brigadier general was saying about how had my recollection is 3:15 in the morning i think after the september 11, 2012, attack that killed four americans, he and others in that command knew immediately this was a terror attack and part of the issue is that then when you cross-reference that with the ben rhodes e-mail that has become a topic of conversation over the last couple of days, not only did the white house not reveal this until the last few days, even though congressional republicans have been seeking all these documents for many months now, but also remember that ben rhodes in those talking points for susan rice to go on the five sunday talk shows didn't talk about a terror

attack, even though the brigadier general said within hours they knew it was a terror attack. instead he focused on the video. now, what does it prove? we still don't know where all facts are going but i think it's harder and harder for jay carney to suggest that i'm pushing conspiracy theory or fox is when you've got john karl of abc and major garrett of cbs and jim acosta of cnn and others pushing similar questions. this is not just fox. >> the evidence seems frankly irrefutable. one question i wanted to ed te you, the suggestion earlier in the week that the e-mail from ben rhodes which was basically the guide for susan rice for the sunday talk shows, that it had really not to do with benghazi. are we really to believe that when the e-mail actually says benghazi as one of the subheads and also just from a media standpoint, why in the world would a cabinet official go on five sunday shows if it wasn't to talk about what specifically happened in benghazi? >> well, i think in fairness there, yes, susan rice was going

on five shows to talk about benghazi plus. plus the violence throughout the muslim world. and fox and others were reporting it at that time, as jay carney was trying to point out, about cairo and other embassies, et cetera, that were in jeopardy. so i do think we've got to be careful not to suggest that the ben rhodes e-mail is only or was only about benghazi. he was talking about benghazi briefly in there and jay carney said it was a cut and paste from cia talking points. we can talk about that. but we should point out that most of the e-mail was about the other violence in the muslim world. but to your question, you know, certainly it's hard for jay carney, i think, to say this e-mail from ben rhodes was not about benghazi when, a, as you point out benghazi was at least mentioned. it wasn't the focus but was mentioned and, b, why was it turned over in the last few days? because -- the state department, the obama state department, turned over this e-mail among others saying it was responsive

to a request for benghazi documents. so if this had e-mail is not about benghazi, why in the world did the state department turn it over in a lawsuit involving benghazi? doesn't make sense. >> great question. ed, quick comment and a question. the comment, every college student in the country should watch every single press briefing put it up in their political science classes or whatever, whatever class. they need to see that because they need to see how the process works because they can judge for themselves whether they're jay carney or other spokespeople for the white house are telling the truth or not. here's the question. jay carney seemed annoyed with you, impatient, arrogant. help us out here. i think the american people watch him and go, does he understand he works for us? they all work for us? why does he treat us this way, especially when we believe half of the stuff coming out of his had mouth may be a lie? >> well, if you frame it that way, i think jay carney would probably respond, if you think most of what he's saying is a lie, then you're not giving him

a fair shake. i try to sit in the chair every day or most every day if i'm here and push him as fairly as i can. i'm not perfect. some of the questions are going to end up being out of bounds, a little unfair. but i try to be tough but fair. i try the same with dana perino, and i don't think she always thought that i was fair. she thought i was tough but some days she wasn't happy with me as well. we're not perfect. we're imperfect. but at the end the day, yes, he works for the american people. the taxpayers pay jay carney's salary. so when we ask these questions we do deserve answers. not just us, we're trying to represent the american people. they deserve answers. now, on some of these issues, if as jay carney says, we've turned over thousands of documents, we've already answered, there's no need for us to belabor it. but in the case of the ben rhodes e-mail, this is something not turned over for many months so i think it's perfectly legitimate to press and find out why it wasn't turned over sooner. >> not only was it not turned over but actually redacted. there was a conscientious effort to redact it.

they weren't forthcoming in the first place. >> i'm concerned if carney spins my faster he might strike oil. that would upset obama who hates fossil fuels. the good news here is that cnn is finally covering benghazi because she think that's where the airplane went. it used to be -- ed, it used to be in the media that if you brought up benghazi there would be so much eye rolling in that room that the building would tilt. it seems to me, as you said, that benghazi was always a fox story. it's not that way anymore. dow see that as a general shift, or is this some kind of thing they're going to do for about 24 mauers and then they'll move on to the more important matters that they've yet to figure out? >> i think it's the latter. i'd be surprised if benghazi is talked about in the briefing room for much longer. i want to make an important broader point, which is that i don't think benghazi should come up and i know there will be some people in the audience that disagree with me, the fact is it shouldn't come up every single day if there isn't new information. this week there's new

information the white house should be pressed not just by fox but by others and ares, as you noted. but i suspect that people are going to move on. now, again, you shouldn't be banging the drums every day if there's not new information. if it's the same old thing. the fact is this week there's new information that does raise new questions between the e-mail and the testimony that we were talking about on the hill. but i suspect that th is not going to be something that the media pays a lot of attention to for much longer. that's just the fact. >> ed, but shouldn't the media keep pressing on and on because yesterday during the exchange between abc's jonathan karl and jay carney, carney said specifically when asked who gave the line about the video he said, oh, the cia's jim more elle gave that in his testimony. >> mike more elle. >> mike more elle. that's not true. anywhere in his testimony say the line originated from the cia. jay carney was standing up lying right to jonathan karl's face. to your point about new information, isn't it true that a new round of documents that

could take months to come out is slated through judicial watch to also be released? so there is more to come. >> we expect more to come. but, you know, i want to be clear. i'm not saying that benghazi should go away forever and ever as an issue if there's no new e-mails in the next week or two just like the health care law, it's something that we and others will be talking about for a long time because the law will be implemented over the next several years. today i think jay carney may have gotten three or four questions about health care. that doesn't mean it's no longer important, that the whoit house press corps has moved on. but also you understand as important as benghazi is, there's a lot of other issues like health care, like the economy and jobs. >> but he lied about morell's testimony, as recently as yesterday. >> and we have a fact check and no doubt about it. i'm not sluffing that off. i'm just saying it's one of many important issues obviously. i watch "the five" every day. you don't talk about benghazi every single day. and when you do it might be one segment. >> almost. >> almost, yeah. maybe. but if you do, i suspect there's

going to be a segment after me that's not going to be about benghazi so there's a mix of issues. so it's an important issue but not the only issue. >> bob? >> we have benghazi jackets we wear. >> which is good. >> i did make shirts. >> it seems to me a couple of fundamental things came out here, and that is that when carney said the cia -- they used some of the cia talking points, cia said they did not. so clearly you have to take one or the other. i'm going to rely on what the cia said about it. so that talking point did not get in there from the cia more than likely. second, the information you have now is sthe commander of afrr i con saying they could have gotten there, they're not sure. they should have tried. but the one thing that strikes me is both president obama and hillary clinton met the families of the four at the air force base and still at that point, which was after susan rice if

i'm not mistaken brought up the issue about the video, this gets back to greg gut feld's age-old question, there is yet to be a single bit of information that where the video came from and who put it into the process. >> we haven't gotten more on that. one of the questions i asked today was, why if i went back and checked the record on 9/12, the day after the terror attack, jay carney himself was asked about -- i want to be clear, the specific question i'm losing. who was behind this or who inspired this. he said something to the effect of, look, it's being investigated. we're working with the libyan government. i'm not quoting him, but he said, we don't fully know. that's on 9/12. one of my questions is, why on 9/14 was ben rhodes saying we know it was this video, we think it's the video and this is what you say on the talk shows. that was just two days later. then a couple of days later matt olsen, the head of the national counter terror center went on

capitol hill and testified under oath actually it was a terror attack, which is really the first time it was really said by a engineer o senior official other than the initial president obama saying in the rose garden acts of terror broadly. then all of a sudden it shifted from that to terror attack. why we don't fully know. on the important question of should the military have gone in, should they. i want to make the point that jay carney made very strongly in the briefing today, admirable mike mullen who was appointed by president bush did that accountability review board report in which he said that the military could not have done more. i know that a's still in dispute, but admirable mullen is someone that i think a lot of people have a lot of add miraculous and respect for, appointed and nominated by a republican president who said they couldn't have done more. so brigadier general today said something different. the testimony is still conflicting, but we have to point out that fact as well. >> well, we have to point out one thing on "the five." the day it happened there was one person who called it a terror attack. >> that was bob beckel.

>> but i'm not a senior official. >> you are in our hearts. >> very quickly, has anyone asked where the heck is general ham and why isn't he testifying? >> that's come up many times on capitol hill had. we haven't seen that full testimony. i suspect that now because of the e-mail, because of the brigadier general's testimony today you'll maybe hear more calls for that. you're l also going to hear more calls foyr a special committee n benghazi. we'll see whether they have new ammunition for that. the other point i'd make to look ahead to the midterm elections, a lot of people when they talk about will republicans take over the senate, maybe they'll block some of president obama's more of his agenda than they're already blocking, maybe mitch mcconnell and republican leaders can push their agenda. here's another point, if harry reid is not the majority leader and mitch mcconnell or a republican leader is, they can all of a sudden have hearings on benghazi in the senate. maybe they won't do it. maybe they will. but the point is, this is

largely the white house has effective live se said this is a very narrow house republican thing by darrell issa and others. if all of a sudden republicans have control of the senate after november, that may change the ball game as well. >> ed, i just want to say i do think that even if there is not specific new information that comes out, who pushed the video i think we all kind of know it had to come from somewhere higher up and it was political. and if this gets to the question of judgment and character of possible future leaders. that's why i think it matters. >> all ben rhodes lead to hillary. >> i'm going to say, you don't even get to answer that question, ed, because i have to tease. >> sounded like a statement. coming up, should the united states pull back from the world stage? a new poll show a lot of americans want to. greg will explain why we shouldn't. and i will argue with him, next.

nearly half the u.s. wants our country to be less active on the global stage. i don't blame them. the worst part of the world is the rest of the world.

being american is being in a great castle in a crappy town where people are always fighting shirtless on the lawn. the world is epcot centers with machetes. even the west hates the west. the uk arrested a man for quoting churchill. how do you expect to win against forces of evil when you think those forces have a point? this is what we get for electing a man who felt our global presence was a negative before he took over, of course. which is why the next election is huge. we must view the last six years as a bump on the forehead that gave us exceptional amnesia in which we forgot our greatness. we must reassert our military might, economic prowess and moral integrity. the pity part ji over because retreating from the world is impossible. where are we going to go, narnia? besides, saying it's not our fight over and over and over again ultimately empowers evil. once the only person who's willing to shout "stop" decides to shut up forever, the silence

will only be temporary, as those who spread misery now have the stage. ultimately, it will always be up to us to yank them off. what are you laughing at? what are you laughing at? >> nothing. nothing. nothing. >> bob, what do you make of the poll? what does it say to you? >> i think it reflects fairly well where the american people are. i noticed in here that says obama gutted the military. that's not the case. beginning to take aapart the military happened under colin powell after the wall came down and the cold war essentially ended. it was going that way, and then george bush increased it because of what happened. no and the two wars. the thing we have to keep in mind here is that we still have 70% of the fighter aircraft in the world, 600 bases around the world. we have 300 ships operable. we have submarines that carry multiple warheads.

we are so much far superior to anybody else militarily. the real question is, how long are we going to do this and how much money are we going to spend to do it? the idea that somehow we're gutting the military is absolutely ridiculous. it's the strongest military in the world and will be for a very long time. >> eric, is pulling back the same as pulling out when you've got a lot of this islamic terrorism going on, getting girls kidnapped and sold as sex slaves, attacks in chinese train station snz we have to be here, don't we? >> we've had this discussion before, in what shape and form. and i believe that the next -- the next wave of warfare is going to be through cyber and we can beef that up. we don't need more boots on the ground, airplanes or ships. we need more people who can thwart a cyber attack at us and more people who can listen in, which i'm all for listening into the enemies and listen to what they're up to and thwart any terror attacks. world affairs, though, this poll is about whether we should pull back on world affairs. i assume that means foreign

policy and i would say yes. but let's talk a little business here. i think we need to increase our footprint globally with business,s and the only way, again, to do that is to go ahead and allow businesses, american corporations to do business oversears, any country you want, bring them back, bring those corporate profits back, get taxed there, bring it back, zero taxation, and again we said it yesterday, but i'll say it again. this is the way for american power to assert itself, not through military but through our business strength. >> i was circling this because that's what i was going to say, which had is -- >> you always say, that's what i was going to say. >> i know. that's why i was laughing, too. i thought, you're not going to believe me. it really was written down. it says financial. i don't necessarily believe that this poll -- i think people when they think about world affair they think of foreign aid and also about military because they don't want to go into another country and invade. but on the financial side of things, that's where we can have a huge impact. it helps our national security

if other countries are doing well. i'm for more trade. i want all of those kmerz around the world to want to buy american products. so that's why i was circling that. because eric and i were agreeing. >> here's my issue, andrea. we always want to break up with the world but we're like al pacino in the godfather. we always have to be pulled back in because whenever something bad happens we're the people that have to clean up the mess, right? >> but should we clean up every single mess? i think two fundamental questions should be asked of every foreign conflict that may involve military action. is there a direct threat against the united states of america and what are our interests there? that's what the people in this poll want to know. what's the interest? so if i had a doctrine, it would be, if there's a direct threat against the united states of america, we go in -- >> or its allies. >> -- and we level you. and then we leave. we will turn you into a parking lot, period. i'm not into the nation building. i don't think that it's worked. i don't think it's helped, especially in the middle east. they have deep-rooted ethnic

hate red against the united states of america, very difficult from philadelphia on the eve the constitutional convention. so i think it's a bit -- i think -- i can agree with bob oftentimes when we talk about these things that we're sticking our nose in areas where there's really no u.s. interest. if there is, level them and come home. >> we have allies and treaty obligations that we certainly have to keep up, with japan for example. but the idea that somehow all of these internal issues you talk about in china and other areas, the united states military is just not 0 in a position to do much about that. there is some intelligence you can do. eric is right, i think you could probably disrupt it. and business i agree with as well. but they talk in here about -- here's the weakness of the united states, we're taking a carrier off the coast of china to bring it back and it will be four months without a career over there. this is nothing new. it happens all the time. when i was in the white house, we were moving carriers out, being refitted, bringing them back. there's always a period of time when you don't 0 have a carrier group dm in a particular area. it doesn't show weakness.

it shows logistics how you move them around the world. it's not easy. >> i guess my concern is the message that we send around the world, which we -- that america was the issue, was the problem, and president obama came in to kind of work on ourselves. not work on the world. i think the world -- >> it's not you,s it's me. >> i was going to say that, too. everybody is taking my lines today. >> aww, poor thing. coming up, kareem abdul jabbar talks about language in the locker room. plus, will oprah winfrey replace donald sterling as owner of the clippers? if other nba owners force him out? eric has news next.

welcome back, everybody. three provocative topics, seven pulsating minutes. see, when you take a week off or two. first up, kareem abdul-jabbar sat down with bill o'reilly last night to chat about the very provocative comment made by a black sports writers who suggested that nba players and specifically african-american nba players stop using the "n "word. here's kareem's interesting response. >> people who don't understand what we fought for in this country during the civil rights movement think that they can clean that word up. i don't think it can ever be cleaned up and i think black americans should avoid using it. >> interesting. interesting. a very classy guy. >> if you watch that whole interview, he's fantastic. >> he's right. i was raised not to use that word. i think most of us were raised that way. what this means is we spend a

lot of time talking about people who are using this word. i'm glad he came out and said it, but it shouldn't be used in any situation, and he's right. this younger generation, a lot of hip-hop artists they weren't around when people were dying so that word was never used again. and i'm glad he finally said something. because a lot of us can't make that argument. >> greg, the "n" word is now as andrea points out is probably in three-quarters of hip-hop songs. it's -- white kids in the suburbs are using that word. is this -- maybe they shouldn't be, but has it become culturally acceptable? will it ever be? >> it's great when a white kid is lip-syncing to it, they kind of don't say that word. >> sometimes they do. >> here you have bill o'reilly and kareem abdul-jabbar, two incredibly tall people. come on. >> are you offended? >> yes, i am. whoa, they're so tall. you shouldn't say the word out of respect of others. that makes sense to me.

but i don't really -- >> that's a great shot. look at that. >> that's not photo-shopped either. >> amazing. >> i don't really care, i don't care what people say. it's -- you know, if he has a problem with it's great he talk bz it. i just don't care. >> the sportscaster. "gay" is another word people are using quite often. oh, that's gay and they don't necessarily mean it sexually. just a different connotation. >> i think that word is different and maybe that has just been over time evolution. maybe in some ways the young african-american rappers think they've earn eed the right to u that word. who p i to say they can't? >> they're sapping the badness of it by saying it, which is -- >> over time doesn't that happen to almost every word? >> like the word "gay". >> it's so ingrained in the black community, it's not just locker rooms in the nba. it's everywhere you go. it gets back to one of the things i've always liked, which is i don't care what you think about me.

i care what you think. we're goinging to move on. bill maher must have put down the bong the other night make maiking a little bit of sense. like all of us, he condemned donald sterling and commended america for seeing sterling's racism through the same scope. but maher went further and i have to say it pains me, but i grow with this nut job. >> the creepy part is that, yeah, when you get taped in your own house and then that goes out to the world, again, no one here is defending don sterling, but that's what's creepy to me. that we can't even speak in our own house anymore. i don't know how that tape gets out thorough. i don't know why that's legal. but i'm much more concerned about things like that than i am the nsa, which i'm concerned about, too. >> greg, he makes a very good point. >> we talked about this, about the origin of the tape when this thing broke. from what i understand, you know, remember she claims she's an archivist.

he probably knew she was taping hip. she convinced him to express his opinions for perhaps a memoir. so he was there -- that's why it's legal. he agreed to being taped. i think there was someone else in the room. i don't know that far sure, but -- >> i did read that. he wanted her to tape if for an archive. >> bill maher, agree or disagree? >> i think he's probably right. i think that if anyone were to tape my conversations inside my house they'd be so bored. >> truly. >> but i don't want to feel intimidated into not talking. >> you'd just be talking to the dog. >> and nagging. >> california is one of those states where it's against the law to tape somebody and then release that tape. that's one of several states that has that. either somebody broke the law or

he growed to go with it. >> donald sterling was out to dinner last night in l.a. he's not hiding, not ducking the media at all. >> with his ex-wife. >> i'm not surprised. but even though maybe bill maher makes a point here, doesn't matter. whether it's legal or not, it's out there. that still doesn't give him a jet out of jail free card. and the conversation now, we can have the conversation about whether or not it's right or wrong to tape somebody. but the world we live in now, we have to assume that whoever we're having a conversationing with could tape it. it's sad, but it used to be you needed a tv crew to take something nationwide. now you just need an iphone. >> if there were tapes in my house, unlike dana's -- >> it would be riveting. finally, the queen of all media, oprah says she's part of an interested group in acquiring the l.a. clip eshz. here's gayle king one of oprah's bffs tv. >> i was talking to oprah last night. i know she's very excited about the possibility. i'm thinking i need to get some clippers merchandise.

a jersey or two. >> i think you'd be needing to get us some tickets. >> so oprah wants to buy, but she wants a couple investors. by the way, i would love to be an investor in that group. >> well, she's got a couple. one is ellison, the fifth richest man in the world who has made a fortune in i.t. and the other one is -- what's his name, the mogul from -- >> geffen. >> david geffen. i think with oprah in it, that almost guarantees that's the group that will get it. it will go for $700 million. >> at least. a bunch of people lined up. the fact that you said you want to invest in it proves my point, that i want to invest in it, too. i think a lot of this, all the names on here may not be legitima legitimate. you have oscar de la hoya, all of these guys trying to float their names as people who want to buy it who have no intention to buy it. i heard greg gut feld say that you were thinking of investing in the clippers, is that right? or the water ballet. synchronized naked water ballet men's team, right? >> i'm not ready yet. >> the market taking care of business here.

>> sure. it remind me of something that people do in walk when they want to get a job or plumb appointment. they call the reporter and say, high, can you just float my nim in there as a possibility? bingo. >> i see somebody that i know and it was very embarrassing when it was revealed. >> final thoughts? >> the great thing is, every fan who comes gets a free car. >> that's how you do it. >> there you go. >> we're going to leave it there. ahead on "the five," toronto's apipe sucking mayor finally admits he has a problem and takes a leave of absence after new pictures emerge of him holding a crack pipe this weekend. detail coming up on "the five."

well, today is may 1st, almost known as decision day for

high school seniors nationwide. it's the final day to let colleges know if you're going to accept their offer to attend. one senior this year may have had the hardest choice of anyone to make. he was accepted to all eight ivy league schools, and he just announced his decision. >> i'm excited and proud to announce that this fall i will become a member of the yale university class of 2018. in the end it was for the ivy league schools met my aid with the same amount and so yale was one of them and i picked yiel in the end. >> congratulations. and we have some tips now for kids heading off to college. i know greg gutfeld you have very good tips, don't you? >> yes, i have a lot. i'm trying to narrow them down. google speech codes in college and, do not go. you have to redefine what a cool job is. it's not a behind a desk. it's behind had a drill or a gun. if you're drawing energy from the ground or you're defending

this great country, that's a real job. don't do what i did. i wasted two years in college. the first two years were a blur. i have no memory. go out and do something. learn a trade. frac to your heart's content. don't express yourself. that's stupid. >> gee. >> very wise advice. >> school newspapers, you get a good idea if they let conservatives weigh in. that gave me a good idea. it f it was all liberals i thought, i'm not going there. if there was a conservative voice there, i thought, maybe some diversity. >> don't feel limited. if you didn't get into your school of choice and you are choosing maybe to go to a small irschool, don't think that will limit your career opportunities in the future. i went to university of southern colorado, i think there were less than 5,000 people that went there. >> usc! >> but i had a chance to shine there was because i had more individual attention. no one's heard of that school, but it work for me. >> usc, a great school.

>> great point. a lot of kids put pressure on the school, but it's really the internships you get and people you meet along the way. mr. bowling? >> yes. go to a school in a warm state so when your mom and dad come visit you they can hang out at the beach like university of miami or ucla. one of those two. i'm just kidding. just hope my son goes to one of those states. tips, i would say honestly just study. because as you point out, the minute you graduate you take the diploma and it opens the door. once the doors of whatever school you go to opens, once you find the door that's are available to you, once you go through, you don't stop. just go and keep running. and really what you did for the prior four years won't matter. >> bob, any g-rated tips you'd like to share with our audience? >> first of all, i was accepted into actually one college. >> it was a barber college. >> but it was a good barber college. back during the days when you were doing the grease stuff. no, i think there's a couple of things to keep in mind. one is the cost of college is so

prohibitive these days that you ought to try to pick a school that's a good school but doesn't put you so far in dets you have to start out $100,000 down. and the second thing is, i urge all of you to get as far away from your parents as you possibly can. finds another place to go. go to the middle of the country. my daughter is going to colorado, and i'm very happy about that because you need to get out and break those ties a little bit. you're about to start out on your own. >> did you graduate from barber school? can you look that way. you've got a mullet going on. >> i like bob's hair today. >> it's like a -- >> i like it. very don johnsonesque. >> all i can say is -- >> could the biggest college tip be don't go? >> no. i think it should be don't drink your four years away. >> don't feel the pressure. >> but there's irrefutable evidence that your wealth possibility grows. >> take a year off to travel. >> go later. >> i'm for that. >> also, i didn't get to the internship program, check out if they have a robust program.

>> and international exchange. >> i picked also because the ratio of guys to girl was higher. honest. next up, bob's upset about the minimum wage vote on capitol hill yesterday. he's got choice words for republicans. bob, look up. >> sorry, yeah. ♪

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first of all, let me say my suspenders in the back just broke so you'll have to put up with it. yesterday republicans in the senate had the chance, the chance, to lift the paychecks of millions of poor americans. instead, the cowards block the legislation to increase minimum wage. yesterday at the white house president obama rightfully slammed the gop who should be ashamed of themselves. >> we saw this morning a majority of senators saying yes but almost every republican saying no to giving america a raise. they prevented a raise for 28 million hard working americans. they said no to helping millions work their way out of poverty. they told americans like the ones who are here today that you're on your own without even looking them in the eye. >> exactly right.

eric, in the last five years, 39 states have raised the minimum wage. i know the big argument is it's going to cost jobs. not a single job was lost in those states. >> that's the way it should be. if the states want to, let them do it. what president obama is talking about is a national minimum wage, which is foolish because that will definitely destroy jobs. lower wage jobs will definitely leave the country. if you make small things like this and you can't afford to do 0 it, it will go to china. >> can i caution you about this outrage you keep blasting about the minimum wage. where's the wrout rage when there's a policy, one decision that could be made that could create thousands of jobs and literally tens billions of dollars in revenue, aka the keystone pipeline? where's the outrage for the democrats in congress blocking that legislation? >> i happen to think it's a good idea. >> there you go. >> that's been his position. he thinks -- >> talk to your friends out there. >> they're not going to listen to me. it's ae's an election year. >> cbo said you could lose 500,000 jobs but people would be

lifted out of poverty. but a lot of other people disagree with the cbo on this thing. where do you come down? >> i have something i call policy cannibalism. what the president wants to give us the president also taketh away. what he has done in terms of taxes, increase taxes, increase electricity costs, because of new regulations, any money that would be gained by someone actually getting to work an extra ten hours nor an increase in the minimum wage, that money would be automatically spent on things that would actually not benefit them directly. so that's where i come down on it. i think it was a good decision. >> i'm not sure i followed that. >> it was brilliant. >> greg? you were there moaning when the president was talking. >> yeah. so they prevented a raise. they're guilty of removing something that wasn't there to begin with. that's the way the left operates. they never build a business. they only bilk them. it's staff disguised as redistribution disguised as

christmas. >> keep people in poverty? >> you're doing it right now. obama looks at the small business and just sees the open cash register, doesn't see how the business is built and how 0 it affects the hiring and firing. he doesn't know. so we hate poor people. i hate poor people. >> i know you do. >> and kids. and dogs. >> you were a waitress. you didn't make minimum wage, did you? >> lower than minimum wage. far lower. like $2.34 an hour. >> i think this is just an election year gimmick, bob. if you want to talk real numbers, new york is a state that actually has a higher minimum wage. but president obama, he hasn't even run so much as a lemonade stand so he doesn't understand that business owners are looking at the payroll tax, all these things they have to take out. i would love to hire somebody. i'm being honest. someone called me, my accountant, said, this is what you have to do to pay somebody. i couldn't afford it. i can't create a job. >> that sucks. >> i know. >> i just moved in. i would have been a great nanny. >> you would have been. great. the kid would have been like the

omen.

it's time now for "one more thing." we talked earlier about college and i'm sure many people are going to have to go out and buy graduation gifts this week and also for mother's day, you probably already bought not cool because greg has been so good at promoting his book, i just wanted to say there's one other book if you're going to buy it that came out this year, get it for your graduate. charles krauthammer's "things that matter." if i were a student, i would definitely benefit from reading that book. i recommend that. in addition to "not cool". >> thanks, dana. >> bob? >> the mayor of toronto is taking time off from his campaign to go to rehab to try to take care of his alcohol addiction among other things. i wish you well. god bless you.

but let me tell you, don't come back and run for mayor. your chances of staying sober if you do that are almost nonexistent. >> greg, you get to go next. >> this is an interesting thing that occurred on another network. >> just comes in and apologizes and just confesses ignorance. >> congressman ryan never apologized! >> i hope he's okay, but i know just by running that it's going to happen to me tonight. that was like an interesting cough/sneeze. >> here's my thing, i hope she keeps talking. >> what he did is, he probably swallowed a lozenge and went like that. >> scary karma thing. >> exactly. >> you heard the intro. >> you're next, eric. >> so senator rand paul, friend of mine, introduced legislation to cut off funding to the palestinian government and hamas unless they recognize israel as a state.

sounded like a great idea. in the washington free beacon they ran a story, a peck which is a leading israeli group will oppose that bill. i'm trying to figure out why. turns out rand paul will be on hannity tonight. it's making me scratch my head. you'll find out why. >> i'm going to be on o'reilly. democrats are pushing for a municipal i.d. in new york city because they feel that illegal aliens should have i.d.s but they don't want to require everybody in the country to use an i.d. to vote. it doesn't make sense, but james carville and i will be debating it on "the factor". don't forget to set your dvr. you'll never miss an episode of "the five." we'll be back tomorrow.

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