>> bullies they are in playgrounds but worst of all they are in governments. they are the biggest danger because governments get huge force. >> not just the police or military. 10 million government bureaucrats get to use force, too. they ban drugs that might save your life. >> the people are going to die because of this. >> you don't have a choice with your education. >> government may use drones but as a business wants to deliver

products with them the government says no. >> get on the ground. >> they get to confiscate your stuff and keep it. >> bennies from mheaven get youa toy or something. >> grown-ups are good at anything. >> that's our show tonight. >> now, john stossel. >> we start with the fda the food and drug administration. thank goodness for the fda the careful government scientists. they make sure they don't tell us dangerous drugs or drugs that don't work. morning sickness in pregnant women it cures and it usually did. but then some women who took it

gave birth to children with no arms or no legs. this happened in europe but not in america. the fda hadn't yet approved it. thank goodness for the fda protecting us. this like other government agencies the fda grew like a tumor. today they are bureaucratic obstacles. it costs more than a billion dollars and takes up to 15 years caution kills people, too. they once held a news conference and proudly announced the heart drug we are approving will save 14,000 american lives a year. no one put up to the press conference to ask, excuse me doesn't it mean you killed 14,000 people last year by delaying the approval? reporters don't think that way. if it could save 14 thout people but wasn't approved that year

14,000 americans died because of it. regulation can kill, too. but former congressman dennis cue sin itch that served on a committee that over saw the fda says the regulation is good and there should be more of it. >> i am not making such a broad statement. we have to be careful about this, john to make sure that people are not going to be at risk from taking drugs that may have side effects or adverse consequences that haven't properly been reported before they were put on the market. >> even stuff that is reported and goes to the fda causes that effect. do you disagree that the delay kills people, too? >> delays can create problems. no he question about it. because of exactly what you said in recent years the food and drug administration has changed the way it does business by putting new programs forward for

accelerated approval of new drugs for fast track process. >> faster track but it is still slow. >> why isn't it my body my choice? if i am dying why can't i take anything? >> i agree with you essentially. the government in the end can't get us out and we have to be responsible. >> you agree we don't need -- the fda should be voluntary and should be our choice? >> i am saying each of us has a power to make choices. we accept the consequences. the fda provide information. >> the fda tells companies you may not sell this. tells people you may not take this,they can't take the drug. >> they can't say you can't take it but it can keep it from going into the market in that it shows

adverse consequences in trials. we know people do get hurt. >> if they can't bring it to market people can't take it. >> sometimes that's good. some drugs are brought to market and people get hurt. >> you watched the movie the dallas fire's club that got an oscar nomination. >> it makes a point. >> the star matthew mccon say says he has aids he will be dead in 30-days. he wants to try a drug looishg tp but the fda says no you cannot. >> none have been approved the fda. >> screw the fda. i am going doa. >> that decision like it or not is left up to the people in this hospital. >> it's his body. >> why should the government stand in the way? >> there are cases in which individual benefit can be obtained by a drug not approved the fda.

that is true. then it is up to the person who wants to gain access to it. >> sometimes people have to go out of the country to get things unfortunately that the fda may not have approved but in not approving it they are often reasons that deal with serious adverse health consequences for people taking the drug that hasn't begone through an approv process. >> let's go to the other side. >> 16-year-old austin and 12-year-old max have a form of muscular dystrophy that leads to muscular degeneration and eventually death. the by's mom heard about an ex p spur -- experimental drug that was going through fda trials that was told max could be in the study but austin could not. after 16 weeks jen could see the

drug was working. max can walk. he can dance. he can swim. but austin continues to get worse. >> jen joins us along with darcie olson of the gold watter institute which is a think tank that ooargues people dying shou have the right to dry any drug even if it is not government approved. you heard the congressman to protect you. >> this is about saving lives. with the gold watter institute is working on is an initiative before the states can give any one with a terminal illness the right to try an experimental drug before withe fda has approd it. usually manufacturer discovers the drug it takes 10-15 years before it can get into will havendz of her son. >> once we get an awareness access should be immediate. >> if she wants it should she be able to get it?

the right to try act is passed parts of legislatures in several states. it didn't breeze through as i think it would. >> it is happening quickly in multiple states across the country. it is polled at 85 percent. this is true on the left and right men, women. this is a no brainer for people, john. everyone has someone in their family or has a close friend who has suffered and died from something like cancer or other terminal illnesses. people know that when the mortality hangs in the balance they ought to have the right to try these potentially life saving drugs. no question. >> you heard about this new drug and no idea it would work and then you heard about the study and went to the doctors and went to the doctors to see the oldest drug is there what happened? >> this study was with 12 boys in the united states. max qualified because he was ambulatory. austin was not already

ambulatory. >> of the 12 kids in the test 10 thoughed marked improvement. >> all of the boys at this point are stable. the two that did go nonambulatory have better lung function. that's the new data that just came out. >> and stable is a good thing because this has been two and a half years this disease causes deterioration. >> one thing about duschene is kids don't get better they don't get stable and they don't get worse. they were chosen because they were about to stop walking. >> they stopped falling off the cliff. >> absolutely. they all stopped they all stabilized. >> and the improvement in your younger son is miraculous. >> it is the most amazing thing i have ever seen. he was supposed to be in a wheelchair. he's 12 and a half. he is helping to take care of his older brother who is dying, who is getting worse watching his brother get better. >> how does he deal with it? is he angry? >> austin is 15. 15-year-olds in general are angry.

15-year-olds betrayed by their government is angrier. he knows the drug works and he sees it every day and he wants access. >> how do you reconcile what congressman kucinich says with her experience? what are you thinking? >> what the fda is doing is an abomination. they came out with a drug for leukemia patients. this is a miracle drug we are going to fast track it so people can get it right away. that fast track took seven years from the time the trial started to the time it was able to get into patient's hands 30,000 people died. >> there'su9p an attitude in government that is just we are the bullies. >> i am not sure sometimes they think about this. jen can tell you about this. she met face to face with the commissioner. we are working with your problem you think, are you a mother? have you had any one sick in

your family? >> they don't argue d-- >> they don't see every day that goes by is a losses of function for these boys. i can't count the number lost. since the beginning of the trial sus tin is losing ability to use his arms. 2 and a half years of a fully completely safe effective drug. there isn't a single side effect. caulk about the fda protecting you, there's nothing to protect you from with this drug. there's no off target effect not a single one. >> occasionally the doctors will argue we need to be sure if it works. clear the whole blind study. if you can go off and take the drug we won't be sure. >> even double blind studies are arguably immoral at this point. when you are talking about patients with a terminal illness we know what will happen if they get a placebo. they will die. this is an ain't kwauted and i am moral way of trying to test for efficacy in drugs and it needs to stop. >> i would think the baseline

assumption should be we own our body. we should get to decide for ourselves. government says no you may not. why do americans go along with that? >> i am not sure that they do, john. i think this issue is like the american debt. 75 percent of the people say they want it solved and congress doesn't do anything year after year. the political system has a lot of problems and i don't think what politicians do necessarily respect what the people want. >> thank you darcie and jen for sharing your story. to keep this conversation going on facebook or twitter we are using the hash tag government bullies. please join the debate. coming up government bullies say you may not use a drone or choose where your child goes to school. they get to take the stuff. >> there are some limitations on it. ortho crime files.

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a billion dollars is confiscated a year. the police often auction the stuff off but they usually keep what they like. this is a scam says ethan who runs americans for forfeiture. >> what do you mean? they are grabbing the stuff from bad guys and saving the tax

payer money on police equipment. >> it is without charging or convicting you have a crime. >> the stuff he has taken he can fight in court to get back. >> yes, but it is not like a criminal case he is not entitled to what you have in the civil case. that means they usually have the upper hand. >> he has to prove that he is legally there and that can cause him 10,000 or 100,000 legal fees. most people just give up and lose their stuff. >> exactly. that is why it's a scam from the government. the government can cease your property, bankrupt you or force you to give up your constitutional rights and keep your money. >> one police department used the money to use a margarita machine. most of the time they are using it for police equipment. >> most of the time, but this is also part of the thing that

finances or mill tearzation of law enforcement is a concern that has been developing across the country. >> most people when they lose property they have no idea what can happen in america one business owner can make a sold drug to a man on credit but before he was paid in full the man he sold it to was pulled over for driving under the influence. the police kept his truck anyway even though he was not responsible. >> this is my money. why are you digging my money? i have never taken drink and drive. they took the truck. >> they know better? >> they can take the property and cease it for themselves. >> police are flaunting their forfeiture. this used to be a drug dealer's

car now it is ours. >> congress gave forfeiture to the government to prosecute the war on drugs. this is to turn into a massive scene. after the war on drugs we have drugs and drug dealers. the only thing forfeited is your right to property and liberty. >> the police are richer? >> absolutely. this is a multi billion dollar revenue for law enforcement. >> for political self dealing the prosecutor in indiana did what? >> there's a prosecutor in delaware county a couple years ago he hired himself as an outside contractor to his prosecutor's office to do the civil forfeiture and he would keep 25 percent of the total on a contingency basis. >> he was finally caught and punished for doing what. >> very strict punishment. they suspended his law license

and made him repay 170,000 dollars. he should have been disbarred, should have been prosecuted. >> temperatures by buy luxury vehicles and ship them to china, business. >> absolutely. >> customs says this is legal. but the secret service says, oh, no, it's not. >> under that interpretation they can use forfeiture for accounts in vehicles and companies that are doing no more than exploiting american luxury vehicles in countries like china or russia where they are worth more. in this operation they are ceasing 10's of millions of dollars that are doing nothing more than ceasing. >> secret service -- >> you have two federal law enforcement agencies and one of them has a direct financial incentive and they are one way what customs does is not. >> the core mission is to

protect the president a. >> i love the clip that the organization the americans for forfeiture reform posted on the web site showing a missouri police chief closely defending civil forfeiture. >> there are some -- >> there is not really on the forfeiture status. >> it is revealing. >> police chief ken burden talking about the pennies from heaven it is supposed to go to an education fund. because he gets the forfeiture dollars he gets to spend it however he wants. this is a scam and the citizens of missouri. >> thank you. coming up even the people who teach their kids to play the piano inspired the wrath of government bullies.

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violation of the anti competitive antitrust laws. >> in theory i can see their point. eye doctors used to say that about contact lenses. >> this is a serious thing to tell someone you can't have ordinary people doing it. we won't allow our members to add ties prices. >> the fcc came in and said that's the monopoly. contact lens prices fell 400 to 35 bucks. >> music teachers are making a bit more of a modest income than that. the average music teevener makes about $30 for an hour lesson. >> the fcc because it is so busy this is what it decides it should focus on comes after you. you really can't fight the government, right?

>> it's an organization of a budget. >> you sign a consent order saying we won't admit to doing anything wrong but wouldn't do it and more. >> they ask you to do onerous things for 20-years. >> we to establish an antitrust education program for our state presidents for our leadership and we have to appoint an antitrust compliance officer and we have to require all 5 of our local associations and state associations to sign a certification they don't have anything in their gofrping documents that would be considered anti competitive. >> more bureaucracy and expense.

>> it is like the trust busting is becoming a bank buster for us. >> it is good for the lawyers. thank you gary engel, good luck to you. >> thank you very much, john. >> the fcc is another example of a government agency that only grows began with 144 employees now it has 12,000. they all grow. you paid for that. i thought the federal trade commission that is where i should go for consumer information. they were useless. people were supposed to go to the consumer complaints but usually the bureaucrats didn't even answer the phone. breaking up monopolies isn't a role for government. you don't find nonop plea. the government spent 13 expensive years prosecuting ibm

before deciding it is not a monday nop complee and dropping the case. the ibm is smaller than other tech companies. the only antitrust policy america needs today is repeal all government barriers to entry. the stupid rules that make it hard for newcomers to compete with the established business. what protects consumers best is competition. competition happens when government gets out of the way. next another anti competition guy my new mayor and a government bully. he wants to pulley parents like this woman into sending their kids into his uncompetitive unionized government run schools. >> they don't care no more. they don't care about the kids no more. >> my mayor the bully says, too

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>> i would like to introduce you to my new mayor bill deblasio. i think he's a cruel small minded bully. to please his supporters he repeatedly attacked the whom would runs charter schools. >> has to stop being tolerated enabled supported. i have seen her schools have a destructive impasse on the schools they are going into. >> destruct i have impact. i have visited the schools kids there were learning happily. i challenged them asking questions like reading and writing hard work. they gave me answers like this. >> those charter school kids looked forward to going to the morning that school looks right our level of 2k3w069ment managed

schools are looking lousy. those kids get test scores that are among the best in the state. kevin kr,havos saw similarly governmeny]#a schools while on washington, d.c. city council. they run a pro charter school group. both of us are wrong he is on the board of the school and he's a big supporter of government controlled schools. >> our mayor isn't anti charter enough. >> not enough. >> in the receipt rollback he rolled back three out of 17 charters. >> he allowed many others that's true. >> he is not against carters it should be but it isn't. >> why? some of the charters do great. >> some of the charters do great. the issue is we have the issue in new york state where get low gageses where you put schools together with unequal resources

with different kids and tell them to compete and what you will get is whippers and lose ires. in our case here she is the bully. >> she is the bully. how is that? she is keeching the -- teaching the kids. >> trying to push outtatis tick kids she was trying to give up space for her kids at the expense of the most vulnerable kids. deblasio put a stop to it which she shouldn't. >> let's try to broaden the national audience. >> no other country in the world would try to shut down schools that work. they don't allow government bullies to mess with the system or allow these conditions to proliferate. he said he was going after you that's exactly what he has done. >> i am a school board vice president.

we have locations every time she comes into a building you know who gets bullied? public school kids. >> you have 13,000 parents on a waiting list that want to go to hear school. >> the attack on vooef awe you are a democrat who doesn't like her her father is a union leader and you have a bias against people who criticize the teacher's union. >> nothing to do with the teachers. >> she is pushing the people out. she gets the same number as the other schools who do badly get. good for her to raising the money. she has no power to push anybody. >> our kids ps 149. 15 percent of whom are homeless. 20 percent who high special needs. 50 percent of ell's excuse me. >> she picked kids by lottery.

>> the lottery is a sham. >> that's not true. that's absolutely not true. when you talk about all of the kids half of the kids are dropping out by public schools. you have charter schools including democracy crap, it is not just eva. all of these schools that get the services otherwise they wouldn't need. it is best for kids. no one looks out for the kid. >> this 5th grade class she touts as number one in the state this 5th grade class that would be pushing out special needs kids and the kids at ps 149 that class started out with 100 kids. you know how many kids they have today? 51. where do you think the other 49 went? why do you think they are gone. they are not going to give her the high forming scores she

wants. >> let the parents choose. that makes all of the difference in the world. if the parents have the choices -- >> the charter school, home school, special school. by any means necessary. we are losing too many kids in new york particularly black and brown boys to shut down a school that is working. >> there are 1.1 million kids in the public schools only 6 percent in charter schools. >> that is so phony. >> it is not. it is absolutely not. >> tell me why she had such a waiting list? she couldn't fill her class. >> it is about choice. >> you want to invest in the public schools and make sure every neighborhood school -- >> you invest? 20,000 students in new york city. >> we have veed less than that. we still have --

>> 20,861 dollars. special needs -- >> it's not going there. it's not happening. >> the bottom line is the kids are not getting the services and it's not correct. the court said you are under funding our public schools. >> even the governor who is a democrat has woken up to the idea that your ideas might not be great for the kids. >> the governor says charter schools are good. >> that's why 50,000 parents are on the waiting list and our point today is parents deserve a choice. >> how can you stand this? >> the governor who receives 800,000 in contributions. there is no bigger than the teacher. >> in new york -- >> no bigger contributor.

>> in new york state the charter lobby forced everyone. >> thank you. >> coming up are you watching the show while ice fishing in minnesota? would you like a cold beer? now you can have it delivered via drone. stick with innovation. stick with power. stick with technology. get the flexcare platinum from philips sonicare and save now. philips sonicare

>> put you in a remote area and suddenly you are out of beer. wouldn't it be great if you could call a store and the store would deliver the beer right away via drone? it could happen. this did happen. the technology is here as you see. but bullies in the federal government said it must stop. why? here to explain that is adam sheer. why do they say stop? >> our government fears what the drones might be utilized for. drones have an image problem. we think of drones overseas for nefarious things. they have positive xheer scomme and peaceful uses they are hut li -- utilized for. >> we can get our brains around that.

they must have some practical reasons like they are worried about smashing into airplanes. >> safety is the primary issue. also privacy issues. there are legitimate concerns. we could deal with those in other ways without having a mother may i permissioned approach to allow it to happen. >> will faa's attitude is you can play around with them but if it's commercial use if it's money you can't. >> recreational use is allowed right now if you start applying it in a commercial way they are sending threatening letters saying don't do it without our permission. >> 17 cease and desist letters and they showed they would deliver via drone. they are not prepared to do that. real companies were doing it beer, flowers. >> journalists are using it to report. environmentalists are using it to look into things.

others are monitoring forest fires or pollution or anything else. >> it is flower delivery by drones. the nice man on the phone writes down the gvs coordinates a drone is fired up up and away over the trees a couple of parking lots to a doorstep near you. >> when government bullies heard about that they ordered him to stop. and while the florist and beer delivery obeyed the faa i found it exciting other people ignored the bullies. gordon provich reports the prez no b mentioned newspapers they acquired drones for gathering news. although other news organizations got cease and desist orders. martin scorsese got they went after other film companies and baseball teams like the washington nationals used drones to monitor performance of

players during spring training. so it's exciting when entrepreneurs say government, you know, we open yhope you don catch us bike air b and b is doing with rentals. >> it is exciting wiabout what they are doing. the faa says they are doing this for safety reasons. let's talk about safety. every year over 30,000 americans die in vehicle crashes in this country. that's a huge number. a lot of the things we are doing is very mundane. they are going to get medicine and pick up dinner maybe something else. what if those things could be delivered to us from drones. we may be saving thousands of lives ever are i year. this is not taken into account by government bureaucrats when they are only thinking about why the law changes. >> the only possible thing that could go wrong they could be blamed our brains can't image all of the good that comes out of it. >> if we spend all of our time living in fear of hypothetical scenarios and basing public

policy on them best kate scenarios can never come about. >> innovation dies when you try to obey the bles. i look at the faa rules only one commercial business in the arctic has satisfied all of our requirements. he has to have certified aircraft a licensed pilate and approval for the faa. >> this is how basically lobbying and cronyism starts. they help you in dc if you want to get these things. >> they seem proud of their instructionism. >> i look at the web site drone operations will be okay after december 30, 2015. he told the faa to come up with a plan by then. >> we are writing regulation like they are bragging. >> it is sad and what's really

sad is of course text the competitiveness as well. there are many companies reducing things like drone uses. >> they use it to spread best sides and survey sites by power plants. >> they allow american innovators to do this because they have done it with the internet and other technologies where innovators did not need to seek a blessing from a bureaucrat in order to be entrepreneurial or innovative. >> thank you adam sheerer. he has permissionless innovation. it ought to be permissionless. >> my take on how government pull bullies are like the nasty kids on the playgráy why do they kick the victim? >> you like it.

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constitution. if you are stuck (bleep). her stuff is stuff. >> that's often how bullies work. they are eager to push others around if they are in the in crowd doing the pushing. you see it on the playground. >> go fat kid. go fat kid. >> when a bully abuses the fat kid other kids do it, too. >> psychologists told me this is how people wish to be long to the group that holds power. they come to believe the victims need to be bullied. > why do they kick the victim? >> because he likes that. >> i doubt it. there are two-ways to do things voluntarily or through force.

government is force. we need some force rule of law. the worst places in the world to live are countries that don't have that an african country where you are afraid to build a factory because mobs may steal what you make. nobody builds and everyone stays poor. it is good that america has government force in the form of a military that defends us from foreign attack. police that keep the peace, courts that ensure, environmental rules that bun nish pollute tors and that's about it. our government already goes way beyond that which is why we have 22 million people working for government. 22 million. that means millions of bureaucrats who can bully us in big and petty ways. they do. they demand drones stop delivering beer. they order this girl not to sell

me mils toe. tesla must sell through only government favored dealers. they stopped the keystone pipeline, kill valuable futures like intrade forbid me to sell lemonade and punish 10-year-olds for doing what kids have always done. government bullies force us to put ethanol in our cars punish families to ptry to protect a baby deer siprevent sick kids fm getting drugs that might save them. then to pay for their misdeeds they demand we give them merely half of our money and collect a tax system so complex most of us have to hire specialists to deal with it. it is not a good thing when government is so big that it has 22 million employees. voluntary is better than force. free is better than owe ersed. we are better off when government is small and people are less free.

we have this once in this country and that was what made america great. that's try to have that gevenlt that's our show. see you next week. see tonight on huckabee, denoil. >> the documents released are explicitly about the broader areas separate from the attack on benghazi. >> dismissal. >> benghazi, benghazi, benghazi, why aren't we talking about something else. >> conspiracy theorys by the republicans and this one turned out to be bogus. >> where is the truth? >> we knew it was a hostile action. >> the house begins a new investigation in the benghazi attacks. >> as clipper's owner donald sterling