don't forget to set your dvrs. get a season pass of us. every night at 9:00 p.m. eastern time, 6:00 p.m. pacific. thank you for watching. see you tomorrow at 9:00 with andy. here's "hannity." this is a fox news alert. house speaker john boehner has chosen south carolina congressman trey gowdy to head the benghazi select committee. thank you for joining us on a very, very busy night on "hannity." i'm eric bowen in tonight for sean. >> short time ago, fox news learning three leading republicans will circulate a letter as early as tomorrow calling for harry reid to form a joint benghazi select committee with the house. today, the speaker publicly confirming what had been said privately, that south carolina congressman trey gowdy will lead the select committee, vetting his experience as a seasoned

federal prosecutor. colleagues backing that choice. >> he has relationships on both sides of the aisle. i think it's being fair, tough, but fair, and he's just the ideal person to lead this select committee. >> also today, the obama administration and democrats in the house say they are undecided about the select committee, but boycotting the panel will limit their ability to respond to republican allegations in advance of the midterms. eric? >> katherine, if house democrats won't even join or possibly may boycott that committee, what are the odds that harry reid will call for a senate committee to investigate benghazi? >> well, probably not great, but i would just remind you there are specific allegation that is relate to the senate intelligence committee, also those three republican senators, ayotte, graham, and mccain, that they were misled by the number two at the cia over the talking points. so it's not just an issue about benghazi, but it looks like republicans are trying to make

it about a larger issue, which is the issue of oversight, as well. eric? >> katherine, thank you very much. prior to today's announcement, democrats are out doing what they do best, trying to politicize the terror attack on benghazi. >> nothing gets colossal waste of time. we've had four bipartisan investigations of this already, and i think it's driven by a couple things. the republican conference is so fractured, there's really only two things they agree on, they don't like obamacare, so we've had 50 votes on that, and they do like talking about benghazi. we've had four investigations on that, but i don't think it makes sense really for democrats to participate. i think it's just a tremendous red herring and a waste of trarp resources. >> so democrats should boycott? i wonder why, maybe they have something to hide, but congressman schiff wasn't alone. listen to how anita dunn characterized the e-mail sent by

ben rhodes, which proves that susan rice was instructed to blame the benghazi attack on a youtube video. >> let's take a step back here. it's been called a smoking gun. if you look at the e-mail, it's more like a leaking water pistol. there's not a lot that's new in here. >> unbelievable. and, of course, members of the mainstream media are doing their best to cover up the white house's mess. watch this? >> i will say if this weren't about politics, we would be talking about the 200-plus missing girls in nigeria, there's so many important issues around the world which involve people's lives, helpless people's lives, that could use attention. >> joining me now with reaction to this and more, kentucky senator rand paul. thanks for joining us. you've been one of the loudest voices in the choir calling for the select committee. speaker boehner may have listened to you. the big question, should hillary clinton be subpoenaed? >> well, absolutely. one, we need to know who was

responsible, and she was in charge. but two, we need to make sure something like this never happens again. some big mistakes were made under hillary clinton's watch. the first mistake was, i think in the middle of a civil war, they should have never had this embassy or consulate under state department command. i would have had it under military command, but so many times people ask hillary clinton for more security and it was turned down. someone needs to ultimately accept responsibility for this in order for us to say, you know what, we're not going to let this happen again. >> you know, i think back to that day when the four draped caskets were there and hillary clinton stood in front of those and reiterated the fact the video may be to blame. someone has to ask her that question again. question, the democrats, if they do boycott this select committee, the house democrats, would that make them complicit in a coverup? >> i would say what it does is it dishonors the memories of these four brave individuals who

died, the ambassador and the security detail and one of his assistants in the embassy, it dishonors their memory and what they died for if democrats say, hey, we don't care. sort of like secretary clinton when she said, what's the difference? well, the difference is, one, to make their deaths something that we remember and we will try to do better with, but also to remember the service to their country. and so, yeah, i think if the democrats say it's not important enough for us to come and figure out these answers, it really does a disservice to their memory. >> senator, i believe it was on friday when bret set down with the gentleman, tommy veto, who said, dude, that was, like, two years ago. we learned some other news, besides the fact he was in the obama white house and he was kind of belittling the fact that four americans died, we also learned that president obama was not in the situation room during the benghazi attacks. now we know two americans died early, two more americans died

seven hours later. should the president have been in that situation room or, frankly, could have made other calls, maybe he could have saved two lives. >> right, and really the next question that comes to mind is, who was in charge? if the president wasn't there during this period of time, who really was in charge? was hillary clinton in charge? and if hillary clinton was in charge, was she the one that gave the order to stand down, the order not to go and send re-enforcements? to me, one of the most important mistakes that was made that evening is there were four more special operations guys with colonel gibson trying to get on a plane, actually an american plane that the libyans owned, and they were told to stand down, or as the order became known later on, not to go. which i think are the same orders, but who gave those orders? did those come from hillary clinton, did they come from the military entirely, and why didn't we send re-enforcements? >> i think general hamm might be the one to answer those questions. maybe they'll find him. he hasn't really been out in the

media talking about what happened. senator, earlier katherine harris pointed out there's a letter being circulated by some of your colleagues on the right, the republicans, who say let's do a senate committee on that. your thoughts on that and is that ever going to be a responsibility? >> well, i think we should. there should be probably a bicameral, both houses, senate and house, coming together to do a select committee on this, and i've been bugging on this from the beginning, because i think someone should accept responsibility, and that's the question i ask hillary clinton in committee. i've said, are you going to accept responsibility for the debacle that occurred in benghazi, and she sort of sidestepped and acted as if, oh, i never read the cables, i wasn't involved. but to me that's precisely her dereliction of duty, so yes, i'm for a senate committee, but the democrats control the senate and i think it's unlikely searching for the truth on benghazi's high on their list. >> senator, last question before we move on, the media, have they been complicit, the mainstream media has been fairly low key on

benghazi. have they been complicit in some sort of white house coverup? >> you know, maybe. there's a lot of questions i still have. i have a question what were they doing at the cia annex? there have been reports that weapons were being taken from libya, funneled through turkey and into syria, and were we part of that? was the whole story, the whole talking points and saying this was about a movie, was that to obscure the truth of what was going on? we've never known the truth, because all the people in the cia annexwere told not to testify. they were sent to various parts of the world to keep them from testifying, but when people try to obscure the truth and move people out of your reach, you do begin to wonder, is this really a coverup of something that really was different than was presented to us. >> senator, last thought on 2014, you're in north carolina, you were in north carolina to endorse a republican for state senate seat. mitt romney and jeb bush endorsed another republican. is this conservative versus

establishment, is that going to continue in 2014 and beyond? >> well, the neat thing about north carolina, greg brannon is a doctor like myself, he's a problem solver, and i think greg brannon would be a great choice. he's not a career politician. people said i couldn't win because i was just a physician and never held office. i hope the voters of north carolina will give greg brannon a chance. >> that's a very, very interesting way to answer the establishment versus tea party question. one more shot at it, establishment versus tea party, are we going to see more of that? >> well, kind of is. that's why when i say career versus a physician, the establishment is often full of career politicians, and he's a doctor. greg brannon is somebody who hasn't spent a career in politics. it brings fresh blood. we'll see. >> good. senator rand paul, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. coming up right here on "hannity" -- >> in 2008, my slogan was, "yes,

we can." in 2013, my slogan was, "control, alt, delete." >> the president was cracking jokes this weekend at the white house correspondents' dinner. we're going to play the highlights coming up next. weekdays are for rising to the challenge.

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media. president obama quickly took on the role of comedian in chief. take a look. >> of course, we rolled out healthcare.gov. that could have gone better. in 2008, my slogan was, "yes, we can." in 2013 my slogan was, "control, alt, delete." i am happy to be here, even though i am a little jet lagged from my trip to malaysia. the lengths we have to go to to get cnn coverage these days. msnbc is here. they are a little overwhelmed. they've never seen an audience this big before. let's face it, fox, you'll miss me when i'm gone. it will be harder to convince the american people that hillary was born in kenya. and i'm feeling sorry, believe it or not, for the speaker of the house, as well.

these days, the house republicans actually give john boehner a harder time than they give me. which means orange really is the new black. washington seems more dysfunctional than ever. gridlock has gotten so bad in this town, you have to wonder, what did we do to piss off chris christie so bad? >> well, here with reaction, author gavin mcginnis, co-host of "outnumbered," and tennessee congresswoman marsha blackburn. i'm going to start down at the end of the table, my man. president obama's been funnier in the past. he's still funny, but this year, your thoughts? >> he's not being funny. he's got a team of joke writers. i don't know, what, 20, that's just joke karaoke. you're not funny if 20 people write you jokes, 15 other people select them, and then you say the funniest one. how is that funny? he's reciting a speech.

it's even on teleprompter. >> the comedian afterwards kind of read his jokes. it was a little bit of a letdown for me. i was there, by the way. >> i was not there, i don't go anywhere where i can't wear a tank top and ripped jeans, fair warning. anything that's black tie, i'm not there. i'm on television right now, it's different. i want to quote my buddy, he was on twitter, he was writing tweets about this and he said, we once celebrated success, now we cheer failure if it's large enough that we find it hilarious, with respect to the sebelius stuff and i think a lot of americans sitting at home don't find it funny because they see us outraged about this all year, talking about obamacare. we get in this room and find it funny, so i think when i was looking at twitter, i saw americans at home saying, guys, come on, are you serious about this stuff or not. >> congresswoman, can i ask you this, because you've been there, lived it, originally, this dinner, this association dinner was formed so that the press

would get better access to the politicians. now it seems the press has good access to politicians. >> well, that is it and that is one of the reasons i wasn't there. i was home working, but the point is, going back to what jedidia said, people are so frustrated with washington, d.c., and for americans that were at home watching this on saturday night, i think they saw it very disrespectful of the taxpayer, that there would be this camaraderie and the president just proves that he is thin skinned and that this is not a transparent administration and that he does not like accountability. >> but gavin, it's not just president obama. it goes both sides of the aisle. president bush, he was self deprecating, as well, laughed about things people were upset about. >> this dinner used to have some merit, then they started bringing in a few freaks to make it funny. that was cool in an ivy league kind of way, but now it is just the elite.

it's hollywood, and the top democrats all having these pithy, witty remarks that self deprecate themselves. >> i'm not sure how to phrase this. president obama said "pissed off" a couple of times. people are having a hard time with the man in the highest office in the country using that language. did you have a problem with it? >> i didn't have a problem with that, but that's what i'm saying, i love comedy. some of my favorite people to go watch are totally inappropriate comedians, but these aren't comedians. these are people who take these issues seriously all day long, be it reporters, media personalities, president of the united states, so i think it is jarring for the public to see him being very serious about obamacare one day and sebelius making these very serious statements and all of a sudden popping up because it's a dinner and social event, all of a sudden those same things become funny. i think the public have a hard time with those two parallels. >> congresswoman, your thoughts on the president using some

language that a lot of people didn't like. >> it is not presidential. and this business of going after people, the old axiom, never injure a friend, even in jest. some of the points he took bear out just how thin skinned they really are and how avoiding of transparency that they are. i don't think people appreciated the evening. >> what do we do, kill the dinner, that was it, 100 years? >> clean it up. >> they say politics is hollywood for ugly people, this is hollywood for hollywood people. let's stop with the celebrities now. we've got -- it's become a parody of itself. >> i think people are having a hard time figuring out what the point of it is, in other words. make the point of it clear. are we there to all laugh at policy that we take really seriously all year long, are we here to have a hollywood event. >> or to celebrate free speech? something that honors the first

amendment and honors the fact that the press helped hold the administration and congress, everyone, accountable. >> they are calling it a nerd prom, how about some nerds? >> can i tell you something, the room was filled with nerds and i was one of them. >> you're not a nerd. >> there was some hollywood elites sprinkled in. >> did you have a bow tie on? >> you know the other thing about that night, which party you can get yourself invited to. if you're not on the list, by the way, i stuck into the msnbc party and i ended up with a guy, tommy vitore, dude, 20 months ago, two years ago, i ended up speaking to him. congressman, this is part of the point, that guy would never come on a show with me. i had a chance to find out what's going on in his mind. there's not a lot going on in there. >> having the opportunity to have those visits, that is great. talking about what is happening in the press and what is

happening in congress, that is great, but i would just say, let's get back to showing some respect and some decorum and a bit more graciousness in how we approach this. >> congressman blackburn, thank you very much. nice to meet you, my friend. >> thank you. coming up, protests at a california school that banned students from wearing american apparel on cinco de mayo. one of the participants joins us next for a heated "hannity" event. and dr. mark seagal recently caught up with former george w. bush. we have interview, highlights, including what our 43rd president says about his brother, jeb, running in 2016. stick around. i've got a to-do list and five acres of fresh air. ♪ top three tools -- hammer, screwdriver, front loader. happiness is a drive-over mower deck. a john deere dealer can teach tractors to anybody. [ don ] in the right hands, an imatch quick-hitch

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to school on cinco de mayo. the controversy dates back to this day in 2010, when several students wearing flag t-shirts were forced to take off the shirts or go home because it offended some of their latino classmates. here now to debate who's right and who's wrong in this case are morgan hill patriots president who attended the rally today and also joining us, immigration attorney francisco hernandez. so, let me start with our immigration attorney. go ahead, make your case, sir. >> guys, why is it we cheer everyone when they ban the use of the southern flag? they are flags, guys, it is freedom of speech. what they didn't want to do is create or create a situation where there's going to be a confrontation. it had nothing to do with the flag, it had to do with cinco de mayo is a culturally hispanic day, but quite frankly, what if they wore the french flags? guys, it's not about the flags,

it's about the inciting a fight or inciting uncomfortableness. let them we can fly the united states flag every other day of the year. why do we have to take this time to make a point? we all have a right, freedom of speech. doesn't mean it's valuable. just your right to make a jack ass out of yourself, so let them do it. >> the supreme court basically said students don't have the same free speech rights at school that adults do. you want to weigh in on it? >> you don't. >> is the supreme court right or wrong on this? >> sure. >> we think the supreme court's wrong, because where in the constitution is there a caveat that says except? you just said, we all have a right. we all have a right, so we wanted to exercise our right 365 days a year. people died for that flag, and it's a positive symbol. >> francisco -- let me ask you this. given what we know now, if you're a bully or you have a

problem with other kids doing something at school, you can threaten them and according to this ruling, if you threaten them and the school believes it's a credible threat, you're going to make the people stop doing what they are doing that's ticking off the bully. >> no, it's just like the fourth amendment in school does not have the same protection. we do want the school to be able to search the students' lockers without probable cause. why? because there's a high standard as children, there's drugs, there's guns. i don't see you arguing they have to get a warrant before searching a student's locker and now you're complaining about they are banning a use of a certain flag. >> no, no, no -- that's not what i'm saying. i agree with you -- >> it's not a certain flag. >> there are certain standards that are standards in schools are different than elsewhere. i agree with that. >> absolutely. >> my problem is, this seems, this ruling seems to promote anyone who's got a problem with anything, getting their way because the supreme court says

if there's a perceived threat, people aren't doing it, has to stop. >> no. >> hold on. >> exactly. exactly. exactly. if you can't control your emotions, we're going to ban it, because you can't control your emotions. since when is the american flag offensive? the american flag is a national symbol of freedom and unity and pride for american people. why do we need to ban that? because you can't control your emotions? >> so, francisco, let me ask you this, if some group felt that wearing, i don't know, the colors that represent being gay, if they felt that was offensive, if they said those people continue to wear those rainbow colors because that promotes a gay lifestyle, they are going to beat them up. the supreme court should be okay with the school telling the gay people not to wear those colors? >> you got it. you got it. the school has a right to set the rules for a school and you and i agree that the school standard is completely different. yes, absolutely the schools

ought to be able to instill the rules they think is for the better of the students. if we have a problem of the schools, we vote on the school board. i don't agree with a lot of the rules, but you're absolutely right, if they want to ban the gay rights flag, okay, if they want to ban the mexican flag, go for it. if there's a reason for it, constitutional reason for it, but we have no problem with them searching our kids' lockers. you know what, i want them searching my kid's locker, but you can't say one constitutional right is more valuable than another constitutional right. actually, probably the fourth amendment's much more valuable than the right to free speech to make a jack ass out of yourself. >> do you want to take the other side? that's a tough argument to take the other side of, by the way. >> under the constitution, it says we have freedom from censorship. i didn't read anywhere in the constitution where it says, except when someone like you chooses to change that. there's no exception. our rights are given to us by

god and guaranteed by that constitution. >> god didn't give us the constitution. he gave us the ten commandments. we're talking about schools, not our constitutional rights. >> you're talking about your opinion, because you don't like what we're saying, you want to censor it. the flag is not -- >> we have to leave it there. this is going to be up for a lot more discussion, especially the fact it was a flag on the t-shirt. that's really, really making people's heads getting crazy right now. coming up next right here on "hannity" -- >> from the people riding the mountain bikes, you know, that pts, yet mountain biking has helped them get back to as normal a life as possible and that's not a v.a. function, that's a private sector function. >> our very own dr. seagal scored a one-on-one interview with former president bush. they talked about the va

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eliminate stigma, two, we want to encourage employers when they look at hiring a vet, they not be put off by somebody with pts, and if it's called a disorder and somebody is like i don't want to hire somebody with a disorder, we're also helping bridge the language gap between employer and employee. for example, you know, a guy writes on his employment form, i'm a sniper. well, you know an employer is going to say, we don't need to hire a sniper. if he were to put on my skill set in the military required patience, discipline, practice, you know, he might say, well, that's the kind of guy i want to hire or kind of person i want to hire, so helping bridge the language gap, as well. all aiming to help people find meaningful jobs. >> you know, i don't want to ask you to weigh in on what's going on with the attention we're putting on the va system, but what i do want to ask you is about the combination of public

and private initiatives. >> first of all, the va system is full of people who care about our vets. secondly, it's a large bureaucracy. and sometimes large bureaucracies are hard to, you know, create efficiencies, so i understand the frustrations people have about the va, but the good news is, doc, there is a group of private sector ngos that are helping fill the void. for example, on the issue of pts, groups are now being informed to help inform the public about the realities of pts, as well as help, you know, troops recover as best as possible from pts. not the va. va does that work, too, but complemented by others. i think one of the things i know one of the things we're heralding here are private sector groups that help vets, so some of the people riding mountain bikes with, have got

pts, yet mountain biking has helped them, you know, get back to as normal a life as possible. and that's not a va function. that's a private sector function. some people ask me all the time about being with the vets, and my answer universally is, i'm inspired, you know? i may have a knee ache, but it certainly not even close to what people who have been riding these bikes today have overcome. and if our citizens see them overcoming difficult odds, they, themselves, who think they have the toughest hand to play, should be saying, wow, this person can do it and live life to the fullest, so can i. that's really what we're celebrating. >> joining me now, dr. marc siegel. doc, thanks. great interview, by the way, great job. couple of thoughts. i watched that piece right there, couple of things, the man is very patriotic. how's his health? >> you know, he's very committed to the vets, by the way, and that comes across, his compassion comes across, his

intelligence, how he understands the solution, veterans affairs is not enough, it's a big bureaucracy. you have to fill it in with private solutions. he's got some there at the ride, the warrior foundation is there, green beret foundation is there. he's got trek giving out bicycles. you asked about his health. his health, obviously, is good. look at him on this mountain bike for 60 miles, front of the pack, hardly breaking a sweat. he's incredible. he stops to see if the vets are okay, warriors are okay, where's the secret service. his health is very, very good. his heart is good. i asked about that, he's in good shape. >> he a procedure, right? >> he had a stent put in. about a month or so ago he started really hitting on that mountain bike. he's in good health. >> doc, he pointed out something important, the va hospitals. what is the state of the va hospitals in america right now, what grade would you give them? >> that's a very hard question, eric, because i think there's a

lot of stories about problems in the va hospitals, but they also represent a community where veterans go, so i think that president bush is right, they are only part of the solution and they are cumbersome, they don't have the sensitivity to handle the personal aspects of this. you know, like post-traumatic stress. post-traumatic stress needs to be redefined. it's not a disorder. it what happens after hearing bombs going off around you for years. i have to be ready for it. >> we love the politics here. doc, here's president george w. bush talking about the possibility of his brother jeb bush running in 2016. >> what about jeb running for president? >> well, i would hope he would run. he's a wonderful man, but he's not telling me what his plans are, and, you know, he'll make up his mind on his own time table, and i can't accelerate it, and our mother can't accelerate it or decelerate it, and, you know, we'll see what he does. he knows firsthand what it's

like to run for president in that he's seen his father and brother run. if he were to choose to run, he'd have no stronger supporter than me. >> doc? >> first of all, they are close. secondly, if jeb decides to run and he wants jeb to run, he's behind him, he'll be out in front supporting him. here's the other thing, barbara bush is helping him make a lot of decisions. that's what the president was saying, barbara is strong in that family. she's going to have a role. >> at one point she said, do we want another bush, then i think president bush said, well, maybe misinterpreted a bit. >> that's right. i think she will support it, but you know something, he made a great point there, jeb bush knows what it's like. it's a family tradition. >> they definitely know what it's like to run and be president. >> exactly. coming up, of all the important life lessons we teach our kids, why is fiscal responsibility not near the top of that list? financial expert dave ramsey and his daughter recently sat down with sean to talk about that and

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welcome back to "hannity." like the federal government, so many people in this country are living beyond their means and struggling with debt, spending, and managing their money, so why isn't fiscal responsibilities something we teach our kids? sean hannity sat down with a man doing exactly that, dave ramsey, along with his daughter, rachel cruz, for an inside look at their new book. >> good to see you guys. good to meet you. >> good to meet you, too. >> i've known your dad for a long time, but we've never met. >> i heard. >> we've spoken, planned to meet, smoke ed cigars, never go to it. >> we both work too hard, that's the problem. >> i'm a fan of your show and work, and i've told you that in the past. >> same here. >> i worry about americans in

debt. i worry about my kids and $17 trillion in debt, $90 trillion unfunded liabilities. you picked up a lot of what your dad was teaching, spending a lot of time in the radio studio? >> a little bit, i guess. growing up as dave ramsey's kids, you learn a lot about money and personal finance. >> a lot of seminars? >> yes, a lot on the weekends, but it's been great. i learned a lot. that's why i'm excited to take this message to the next generation. >> i was that little girl, meaning? >> i was the little girl who grew up in a house where my parents made really bad mistakes with money, and mom and dad actually declared bankruptcy when i was 6 months old. parents, even if you have made really bad mistakes, your kids can turn out okay. >> that was the biggest surprise to me, because i never knew that about you. i should have known that. i hear you telling people cut up credit cards all the time, amen, amen. you and clark howard are both friends at mine and good at what you do and give good advice. what happened, and how did that

change you? it changed you at the core. >> just like you, i loved real estate and i had been buying and selling real estate. i got rich. by the time i was 24 years old, had $4 million. i got in debt, this was in the '80s, 25 years ago, banks called our notes and we crashed, i had to start completely over. we got to start completely over, but we were just trying to freaking pay our bills and eat. we didn't realize the kids were watching, but turns out they were picking up lessons along the way as we were learning to stay out of debt, live on a budget, just these basic ideas. >> to me it's that simple, and i've always been able to spend money because since the time i'm 8, i worked. i had a paper route at 8, cleaning dishes at 12, always had a pocket full of cash and i was always putting some away, i made that a part of my priority and it helped in the end, always helps to save money. most people aren't like that.

i find most people spend more than they take in, they are like the government. >> they do. they overspend. the beautiful thing with kids, if you'll start with them young, you can teach them to work. you don't have to put the 4 year old in a salt mine, but they can pick up their toys and pay them, we call that commission, not allowance. i don't like allowance, feels like welfare, feels like entitlement. you get money because you work. that creates teachable moments where you can teach that 4 year old, 10 year old, that 14 year old, how to save, how to be a giver, how to be generous, how to spend wisely. >> you don't own it anyway. >> that's right. >> i've actually said to people, because i got a pretty decent house. it's not my house, i just rent it. when i'm gone, i can't take it with me, somebody else is going to be sleeping in my bed or their bed in my room. people get very attached to things, though. a lot of my friends are buying their mid-life crisis car, house they've always wanted, vacation house. i don't know, i've never wanted

all that stuff. maybe we're too want-oriented and too impatient to wait to afford it? >> there's nothing wrong with stuff, and again, this is a lesson you want to teach your kids from a spiritual standpoint, there's nothing wrong with stuff and having stuff. the problem is when you start to put such value on the stuff or draw your personal identity out of the stuff. do you think that the way people are living their individual lives impacts and reflects their political choices? you don't care about debt? deficits? >> it does. our spoiled selves elected a spoiled congress to continue to spoil ourselves. that is one of the things we address is this idea of entitlement has real political and socioeconomic implications to raise kids who have dignity to know how to work, control their lives, to graduate, leave home, become adults. >> get the hell out of my house by 26. who is living in the basement and on my health care plan!

what is that? >> the one that doesn't leave the nest is a turkey. . >> i was done at 19. i was free. go, fly. be free. >> you must be thankful you look like your mom. >> kidding. >> guys good to see you. >> great to meet. >> great job both of you. >> the book is on amazon. called smart money, smart kids. >> coming up, todd sterns is here with reaction to the landmark decision, stay with us.

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>> welcome back to "hannity" in a decision today the supreme court upheld the decision the

inclusion of a brief prayer in part of an exercise in civic recognition suggests it's purpose are to acknowledge religious leaders and institutions they represent rather than to exclude or coerce nonbelievers here to discuss this key decision and more is todd starns hey, todd a rare win for god in america. >> how about that? a good day when anti-christian folks get smacked down by the supreme court what. concerns me is the 5-4 decision that tells people it should serve as a wake up call for americans they have consequences. chief consequence, activist judges get appointed to the bench. >> absolutely. todd tell us about the decision. so what did they decide that a short term, i know highlighted short prayer. what does that mean? >> i'm not into the leelese of it.

i think it opens a possibility for future court cases to come into the picture. i don't think this is over. atheists and secure lars have been active challenging these prayers in public schools and other places. >> right. right. i remember a bunch of cases saying kids can't practice religion on public school after school hours will this change or overturn decisions? >> possible. i write about a lot of the cases in my must book. it is disturbing what's happening in this country over the past five years. the obama administration has been waging a war against people of the christian faith. it's not covered in the main stream media. it's covered here at fox news channel but this is a very important thing for people to be aware of, what's happening in their country. >> does this affect the pledge of allegiance to date? >> well, it possibly could. you know, we've had instances where people are upset because we're pledging allegiance one nation

under god let's go back to founding documents we're endowed by our creator. let's say atheists are successful in removing creator. who do we put in there? look. the germans tried it with hitler. didn't work well with them. look at whachd -- what happens in italy. i outline these attacks in the book. it's frightening what happens in our country. >> todd, thank you very much. a rare win for god in america may be we'll start a reaction. a chain reaction. that is all we have time for left this evening. thank you for being with us we'll see you back here tomorrow night. have a cinco de mayo another hour or so. have a good night everybody.

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