>> we are about to find out who is in the middle. out numbered starts now. >> this is "outnumbered" we are here today and pete hagseth is the lucky guy. he is out numbered. >> i am back to correct all of my mistakes. >> no, you were awesome yesterday. you feeling it? >> it is great to be here. >> the house is set to vote on making the investigation into the benghazi official as the

republicans claim the administration has stonewalled them in the investigation. will the democrats boycott the panel? hilary clinton says there is no need for any more investigation into benghazi. >> of course, there are a lot of reasons why despite all of the hearings and all of the information that has been provided some chose not to be satisfied and continue to move forward. that is their choice. i don't believe there is any reason to continue in this way but they get the call the shots in congress. >> a far difference response from troy -- trey gowdy -- and he had this answer to

suggestions that people like are choosing not to be satisfied. >> you can add to that the family members of the four murdered members and i would like to ask if you would you can explain why we were still in benghazi after everyone else pulled out and we were attacked twice already? >> the big question on the table is will the democrats take part and is hilary clinton out of touch? >> no, i think she realizes this isn't going to be good for her so she is going to say there is nothing here. i have to say that even though i think benghazi is important i was getting to the point it had run its course and they got as much information as they were going to get and then this e-mail comes out and it raises the question of what else is out

there. they have been redacting information that should have been released in the information. i think there does need to be an investigation so we can get all of the facts on the table and not pretend it doesn't matter why it happened. since when is cherry picking intelligence okay. >> those closest to this are the ones screaming the loudest. they are seeing had redacted documents and know there are witnesses. hilary clinton is hoping the american people there is nothing going on. >> 60% of american people think there is a cover-up and more than 60% of american voters want this investigation to continue. and trey gowdy was great last

night. he referenced the time of this. we heard that whole dude this was two years ago. and trey gowdy said time is no barometer to use. we want answers and we want the family to get answers. >> along the lines of what tray was saying is if hilary clinton doesn't participate in the subpoena they said she will serve the legal consequences. will there be legal consequences? >> there should be. i think it is flat out unamerican they don't want to participate and would have distrain for the rules here and congress and the investigation like this when clearly they are

not listening to the american people. what disrespect for the process. and you want to occupy the white house? you were the guys that redetected and withheld documents. >> what is really interesting on this is whether or not democrats will participate in the end. we thought it would be seven republicans and five democrats. what do you think it will shake out to be? >> either they will not participate or they want equal number. and they will stonewall everything if they have equal numbers. we have seen them tune out the other hearings and when gregory hicks is sitting there. >> i love trey gowdy's answer. elections have consequences. this is our job and we are going

to get it done. >> you had thought about why you would push for this and why boehner hasn't. >> i think part is the e-mail but there is a fear that a select committee could drag it out more. you have to give speaker boehner credit for stepping up. >> john boehner wants answers: >> when is the administration going to tell the american people the truth? they haven't told them the truth about benghazi. they have not told the truth about the irs. they have not told the truth about fast and furious. now, only one would have to guess if they are not willing to tell the american people the truth, it must not be very pretty. >> house lawmakers voting to hold former irs official lois lerner in contempt refusing for

her answers about the tea party issues. we have a statement from lois lerner's attorney saying today's fact have nothing to do with the facts of the law. its only purpose is is to keep the baseless conspiracy alive through the mid-terms elections. is this the common case for democrats? >> i guess people who haven't been following it could think that. but they have been trying to get this for long time. every since the news came out the republicans have been trying to get to the bottom and the polls show the american people are concerned about this. if you go after republicans you can go after democrats. it is the irs. no body wants them to be able to do the things they were doing and i think that the idea that she doesn't even feel just as american citizen that she should be helping in this --

>> it has to come to this contem contempt. >> i wonder if they will say we'll we will make immunity possible and if she doesn't testify she will go to jail. she will be compelled to do that. >> this goes to the heart of the republic. if you don't believe you have political freedom and that is at question everything falls apart. you need to strip the partisan out of this. get the truth out. >> your take on all of this? did you believe she is going to serve jail time? >> the end justice? no. i mean i think they will do whatever they can to pivot and avoid and say this is a witch

hunt. she is refusing to answer the questions. look at benghazi and the side hiding everything instead of coming forward and saying we have clean hands. the same applies with lois lerner. why wouldn't you cooperate? she should come forward. do i think the justice department is going to take it all the way? no, i don't. >> do you think this sticking around for mid-terms? benghazi and the irs scandal? >> i think the issues will stick around because they are going to drag on. i don't think it is what people are voting on, though. i think it maybe feeds into a narrative with anybody who is unhappy with president obama, it might feed into that. but there are bigger issues, like the economy/obamacare, and other things >> point to when boehner got his

groove back. >> was he waiting to exhale? >> maybe me needs to get outnumbered. >> what do you think about a child having a misdemeanor before first grade? an anti-bully ordinance that would make it a misdemeanor to bully anyone. but it would not require a threat of physical harm. is this going too far? or do you like the idea and concept? >> stomp out bully, the leading national anti bullying groups thinks this goes too far. it is vague on what would happen. this is overstretching the boundaries. >> how would you feel if your daughters were being bullied? would you like a law to punish them? >> whether it is the child being

bullied or the child doing the bullying, i think the parents sit done and counsel the child on their own. we are going to protect the child who was bothered and protect you as a city. so the goal isn't to indict the 5-year-old, you indict the whole family >> what if they just name call? >> this is absurd. but it is part of a pattern that is ongoing. minnesota passed bill that has a secret group of tips and putting it in the permanent record. bullying is a problem but this is ridiculous. >> you can see this goes far.

>> isn't speech protected. >> they acknowledged it wasn't possibly constitutional >> it is going to be contested and say it is overbroad and get kids that are innocent and at 5-6 do they know what they are saying? >> they are doing this in wisconsin and mimicking an or r ordance there. >> charles barkley may have stuck his foot in his mouth big time. what he said that has women fuming. and what rob ford did to get himself into big trouble!

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>> welcome back to the show. what are you thinking, charles? former nba star and tnt commonitator is in hot water for what he said about women in san anton antonio. >> that is the gold mine for weight watchers. and vitoria definitely a secret. they can't wear that down there. they wear big bloomers. ain't nothing skimpy in san antonio. >> at one point, ernin johnson got the conversation going on. we have a statement from weight watchers. charles is committed to loosing weight and getting wealthy.

that said, comments like this made the other night are not productive. weight watchers is grounded in offering support and heto help people develop a healthy lifestyle. during the break, pete said he loves charles barkley >> he is a funny commentator. i watch the show all of the time. shaq and all of them are great. half of the show is analysis. you sit on the couch and banter. it is on national television. probably shouldn't have made comments like that. >> probably? >> he is known for being off coller. you didn't think what he was saying was funny? >> i would say come on. who is laughing on the couch? >> laughing in horror! like he was saying this.

>> i am not saying it was good what he said. is it funny? the whole crew was laughing. they are laughing, i am laughing. >> and there is not a woman among them. >> did you read the statistics a third of the population is considered in the obese category? i can guarantee you the sit people of the city are laughing. >> he is factually correct at least. i didn't know there was an advance group for fat alliance. i am with mitchell obama here. let's move. i am just saying charles was wrong, but this isn't reason for -- >> i feel like it is sexist.

i cannot imagine us sitting around talking about a bunch of fatties. >> i think that is the point. he thinks it is okay to make the joke. >> he would say the same thing about them. >> we talked about opening a food truck in san antonio and how it would be a gold mine. on to toronto's mayor rob ford. he announced he was going to get help after being caught on camera smoking crack at his sister's home and his week he told a report that he feels great and amazing. it remains me of football camp. after it was published, he called the rehab center and wasn't so happy he wasn't talking to the media. maybe he should not being

calling the reporter? >> october 28th, don't change the locks. i am coming back. >> at least he is not depressed. >> is rehab supposed to be fun? >> he didn't admit his drug problem when we went in. he said it was 30 days for alcohol rehab. but he wants back into the politi politics. i am not sure it is drugs and alcohol as the problem. >> who do people love him? -- why -- because he owns it. i spoke crack. i am going to rehab. >> hold on -- >> i think it is funny. >> what about his policies? he is lower taxes, less

spending, taxpayer watch dog and people like what he has done for the city of toronto. >> let me get this straight. you love charles barkley and rob ford. >> he is somebody who is not afraid to speak their mind. no one is perfect. i hope he is getting help at rehab. i guess it must be fun if one goes and they are in three times at least. another thing was that people said he drinks and that makes him not want to smoke crack >> did you see the angle he tried to go to rehab in the sate of chicago and got turned away from the united states. >> we didn't want to import him? >> harry reid is mad about a top issues for democrats and the

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♪ >> welcome back to "outnumbered." the democrats in the white house are ramping up their fight against climate change and they seem to have settled on their villains. senate majority leader harry reid taking to the senate floor attacking charles and david koch, two major backers of conservative and republican causes. he is claiming the brothers are big contributors to climate change.

>> these two billionaire oil "barron'ss" are actively campaigning now, spending tons of money, against anything that seeks to curb pollution, limit our dependence on fossil fuels or lower energy costs for working families. the kochs are pumping millions of dollars into political organizations, fighting legislation good for the environment. this is ironic coming from them there should be different way of describing it. their statement urging to avoid politics and partisan agendas pertain together environment. >> despite the senator's tough talk and outrage on the issue of climate change, the american public doesn't seem to be on the same page. check out the "pew research poll." the percentage of americans who think dealing with climate change ought to be a top priority in washington? barely cracking 30% mark since president obama took office. first of all, oil barons. so people really say that?

>> talk about anti-job speech that is, you know koch companies employ 60,000 employees, makes thousands of products and their companies in turn employ another 140,000. that is 200,000 jobs, that is what he is going after here. >> i think, to be fair, they are in the oil and gas and colbies. >> thank goodness. >> that's great. >> contributing to climate change? if you're concerned about climate change people say they are a contributor. is it a fair criticism to say they're one of the major contributors to climate change. >> that is not what he said. he blamed them. >> he said one of the major contributors. >> where he is getting this from? some cookie scientists? his best friend whispering in his ear. >> it was a report, kimberly. >> he decided to draw his own conclusions with it. "washington post" used their fact check kerr, gave this three pinnochios by the way because nothing turned up on this. this is two businessman, multi-- by the way, how about michael

bloomberg? how about george soros? they're happy to take millions of dollars from some of the wealthiest americans as long as they're from their own party, and that is not issue. >> the fact checker says it wasn't true they were causing climate change but they are, he did say it was fair to say they're one of the top contributors because oil and gas and coal do contribute to climate change. >> you know what kind of mystifies me in this whole thing? democrats and harry reid has an argument for fixing climate change, that is different type of argument than blaming someone. >> yeah. >> i don't get the indication from what he is saying that his goal here is to repair the problem. you might want to call it something other than global warming which sounds like -- >> obviously isn't this a little bit about the what the koch brothers do in terms of their political activism? i think this isn't necessarily even about climate change per se. what they're spending their money on. >> nothing to do with climate change. and everything to do with creating boogeyman.

he wants a boogeyman. the left policies have failed. he needs someone to put faith in that. my faith renewed in the american people, 30% only buying into it. the koch companies are rated some of the best and purest in the companies. it noise the factually true there is worst offenders. they have been very environmentally conscious. >> that was found not to be true in terms of the being the worst. i think that they are still clearly -- >> they constantly fight for policies against their own interests. they're anti-cronyism in some things they do, which doesn't help them. >> we have an attorney here, somebody who can litigate. i'm just wondering -- >> i'm afraid. >> you always hear, kimberly, you can't really effectively prove a negative. go for the positive. that is my point. if you were trying to fix something and go postively for it, that is different than trying to blame and prove a negative. >> this is what i was trying to say. he doesn't have the evidence to back up his statements. he is constantly in the business of creating boogie men without

any factual basis behind it. to me as a lawyer this isn't persuasive. this is demonizing, political pandering and always whining about something. i don't know how well this will do with constituents and public at large, that isn't in a panic attack what he is talking about. >> right. >> where is he going with this? starting to be ridiculous because he is constantly demonizing americans that are creating jobs, that are getting people health insurance, doing a lot to contribute to this economy. whatever your politics on the environment or climate change, nevertheless, they are job creators. they love this country. they're entrepreneurs. they should be celebrated instead of demonized. >> hitting the panic button over and over again. seeing his majority slip away. >> if a picture is worth a thousand words, this one giving people plenty to talk about. you may have seen it. shows will smith and jada pinkett-smith 13-year-old daughter willow, lying in bed, very close, maybe too close to a 20-year-old actor. you can see the got no shirt on

this picture. it isn't clear what was going on exactly when this picture was taken of the photo though, upsetting a lost critics. willow's parents who talked before about their open parenting style, "tmz" caught up with willow's mom after the photo came out. hereof here is how she reacted when asked about it. >> here's the deal. there was nothing sexual about that picture or that situation. you guys are projecting your trash on to it and you're acting like covert pedophiles and that is not true. >> pete, maybe we are, maybe the critics are overspeculating here. maybe this just wasn't -- >> i don't know. i don't have any tolerance for underage stuff. she is 13 years old. for a parent to go out there and blame other people as pull her child aside and say you're 13 years old, what are you doing laying in bed -- what happened? regardless what happened. >> we don't even know what the relationship is with these people. let me say this we don't know. maybe they grew up together.

maybe they know each other for a long time. >> former "hanna montana" star. >> maybe they know each other a long time. looks like something, maybe, we don't know. >> harris, you have two daughters. i want to bring in comments from her father will smith on this to metro. he said we don't do punishment on his parenting style. the way we deal with our kids, they are responsible for their lives. our concept is, as young as possible, give them as much control over their lives as possible. and the concept of punishment, our experience has been, it has a little too much of a negative quality. your response? >> you know it is interesting, and i kind of agree with him in one way. you want to give your child autonomy. you want to grow, this sounds very old school and incorrect but how we talk down south, you want to grow hem up, if you will and give them a sense they will make the right decisions but if you read his comments thoroughly, he said they don't punish at all. if you tell a child there are no boundaries, they will test you

at every chance they get to see what those boundaries might be. you're not teaching them how to make great decisions. you're teaching them how to test your boundaries. >> kimberly, each to their own, everybody can parent as they choose. >> so far we haven't heard issues and stories about the kids having problems and i hope that they don't. i know they were very committed as a couple to raise their children. i personally wouldn't love it if my daughter was 13 and, which i don't have one but hypothetically speaking, laying in this position like this with a guy with his shirt, it look as little bad, we don't know. it certainly does seem suggestive. they posted it on instagram. it is not press creating issue. >> there was hashtag, problem with tt picture. >> something from sim ba with the "lion king." >> i know he is good friend with her 15-year-old brother jayden. in fact they went to dinner after that picture was posted and taken down. >> i don't understand how you do parenting without punishment? they seem like gooder parents

and you want committed parents for children. thiazol awe can ask but i don't quite understand how that parenting style place out. >> [inaudible] >> i think sometimes. my 3-year-old. >> try to protect them, so. >> changing face, pete, listen, of baby sitting, who you can now expect to answer your request for a sitter. plus why these flight attendants say the skies are becoming very friendly. there they are. there they are. that is coming up. very unfriendly. did i make that clear? ♪ [ male announcer ] away...

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>> more "outnumbered" in just a moment. first my jenna lee coming up in the second hour of "happening now." >> harris, stories coming up in 20 minutes. speaker john boehner wrapping up his weekly news conference a little overan hour ago. he said house passed two jobs bills being ignored in the senate. what he said about that and benghazi ahead. crazy weather today. tornadoes touching down in colorado and high wind seeing in big chunk of the country. storms hitting parts of texas and kansas. also very interesting legal case out of montana. a teenager sneaks into an open garage. it is called barrage hopping but this time the teen gets gunned down. now the homeowner is in trouble. how do you draw a line between a crime and a prank? who is to blame? and what role does social media play in the way that teens are behaving today? are they worse now than they were before? that is question we'll be asking. >> do they tell our their friend

to hop to the open garage. >> did you open garage hop? >> they wouldn't let me. thanks, guys. >> thanks, jenna. garage hopping, i don't know, i'm too old for that. speaking much our uniforms too sexy and may cause a spike in sexual harrassment. that is the message from kathy pacific airline cabin crews. the union says the skirts are too tight and blouses are too short and exposing skin when the women bend down of the union claims on average, passengers sexually harass flight attendants once every 10 flights. they can exchange the uniforms from longer, leaser outfits. i like original ones. what do you think, sandra. >> i didn't think i was thinking there was too risque by what they see. they can change the clothes however they wish. they can lengthen skirts or extend blouses.

i wonder how in line that one in 10 sexual harrassment that the flight attendants experience how in line with the actual airline industry that is. if it is actually more than the average? >> flying united or jetblue. people are drinking on planes. maybe some people get a little saucy, i don't know. >> i'm hearing qualifications for bad behavior around i think that, i trust these women to know what they feel comfortable to get their jobs done, you know what i mean? i don't know how much anybody had to drink. some of these women could be in a bag, doesn't matter, they would get harassed. >> maybe it is not uniform specific but widespread throughout the industry and address it that way. but if they want to wear different uniforms -- >> no alcohol on flights. >> no alcohol on flights? come on. i mean all you got up there when you're stuck. if you don't have wi-fi. >> there are old uniforms. do you think that -- >> that appears to me to be option for them. didn't the airline said you can opt for something longer or

looser. there is something if they can opt out. if they want to opt in. >> whoa. that's different. those are old pictures, right? i guess that is old school. >> we all think about sexual harrassment differently? >> i think these are cute. they should bring these back. vintage. i'm all about the0's. >> i guess they didn't have to bend down to get anything with those. those are pretty short. >> of course as society we've gotten hyper serious about sexual harrassment and everything. i'm not talking about real sexual ha lastment. >> there is fake sexual harrassment? he is in trouble. >> what i'm saying is -- can i phone a friend, somebody. of course sexual harass mane is a real problem. i'm saying, they wore the uniforms because they would joke -- i got nothing. i'm out. i'm sky lent. >> he will get on a plane

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... ♪ >> i may be outnumbered but my turn with this story. more boys than ever are turning to baby sitting for extra cash. the american red cross reports that more young males taking its popular child care classes. according to "the wall street journal," more and more parents are warming up to the idea of boy sitters. one mom saying it is nice for little boys to have older guy around to do well, guy stuff, boy stuff. i have two little boys. they have nothing more than to wrestle and run around. this doesn't surprise me at all. sandra, you have a little girl at home.

how do you feel about more boys doing baby sitting. >> i think it is interesting phenomenon. i blame this on the economy. if you look unemployment rate for 16 to 19-year-olds, girls and boys, it is 19%. people out of work looking for money and baby sitting pays by the way. >> it does. >> they're making a lot of money. boiseing this. they're catching on, going to take the class. i will surprise you to say this. if you go to online -- dating sites -- baby sitting sites you can pick the gender. i surprised myself i do click on the female. i do want a female sitter or nanny. i'm not sure -- >> because you have a girl thaw feel that way? >> no, i don't think so. i think that's what i'm used to, and i baby sat. harris, am i out there? >> what is interesting you're saying sandra, as young girls that baby sat looks good on resume' that you had responsibility. 23 boy are looking for jobs because of economy, that is something you put on resume's. >> these boys are on to

something. could be outside for hours, sweating mowing lawns and suffer through a diaper or two. not that hard to change diapers. >> hard work to take care of little ones. you just step in it. >> keep them alive for four hours. don't send them to the emergency room for hours and you're good. you think that is barometer, keep them alive. don't send to the emergency room. >> we might want higher goal for baby sitting. >> i think depend on the age. my son is 7 years old. out in the hamptons a boy, male baby-sitter, play sports with them. it's a lot of fun. more like a playdate type of thing than it is to somebody watching. when he was younger, wanted somebody that would be able to take care of a child when they got sick or somebody taking them to hospital, something happened god forbid while we were gone. i like the idea of it. i love all the new agencies, like care.com. you can click on and get a male baby-sitter too. i think people are a little

hesitant and sort of different. i like it. i think it is unique. it could be a really good fit for your child. >> did you hear kimberly lists for baby sitting? more than keeping the child alive. >> what are the criteria? teach them algebra 2. >> is this a new thing? i didn't hear about baby sitting classes. were you a certified baby siter? >> you can specify, if you want them first aid trained, cpr trained. so these classes put them through all of that. >> you get to charge more as a baby-sitter with the certification. free market works. >> -- everything else which are very, very important you know who is in your home. >> we have to leave it there, but would you let your boys baby sit or have a problem. >> we let the neighbor next door couple times. we, i want them to have a boy come over to throw a football. i wouldn't have a problem with girl. i don't think it is an issue. top earners may have nicer houses and fancy cars but one thing money apparently can't

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>> wow, this is going to be a mine field. top earners may be missing out when it comes to their love liveses. four percent of the high earners having sex every day. that figure triples for people who make less money. researchers say when top earners find time to get with it. i am not going to read that. they are more adventerous. kimberly. you are laughing, you have something to say? >> i mean, it is between the sheets. i find the study to be intchlth i can comment on both. i think that it is good of people getting after it no

matter the money. and it is good exercise and endorphins. >> who is the four percent having sex every day? >> youine think that number is high? >> i mean, it could be the low end. you think that is high anyway? >> i think they are lying if they say every day. high earners are traveling more and working more and sometimes it takes a back seat. >> or just stressed. >> what i think is interesting high earners are painting the picture of a perfect life. huge house and fancy cars and you would think it is all great in the bedroom. >> yeah. it is a few minutes left. >> and that is. parents are watching now. >> and taylor made. >> and okay.

we talk about this? >> a couple of times that he got into trouble this hour and if there is anything you want to clear up? >> for instance, you said you know, we are making too much out of the whole sexual harrassment thing. >> i was talking about flight takenedants in the cents and i will retract that phrase. and i will stand by charles barkley. >> you call him sir? >> sir charles is a nickname from the nba. guys love him. he is a personality. >> and he is in a golf show. >> he loves to golf. if you haven't watched tnt, watch it a couple of times and you will enjoy it. >> we'll have two tvs. that is what high earners are

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