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sure this stops happening and that this is not something that people feel they can get away with. right now, it is. so it's our failing that's gotten us here. >> even michelle obama has joined the campaign, tweeting out this photo of herself holding this sign with the hash tag #bringbackourgirls. the situation is heart breaking, no doubt about it, but are any of the celebrities willing to risk american lives to help save the girls? joining us now with analysis from california, james pierson, and from austin, texas, marjorie clifton. james, you say these celebs are ridiculous. they're hypocritical, bandwagon activists, yes? >> sure. hollywood is a place of trends and fashion. now this has become a fashionable cause. so they're all jumping on the bandwagon. they all want to show they're compassionate, that they're better people because they're doing these tweets. look, terrorists are not going to be intimidated by kim

kardashian tweeting a selfie. there are protests against that which would work. these are hardened thugs, and the only way, the only way that those girls will come back is with military intervention. this is a case for satellites, drones, and special forces. and these are the things that frankly, the vast majority of these celebrities have protested against during the administration prior to the obama administration. and don't seem to be able to tolerate. >> marjorie, james points out something important, that mostly celebrities are activists against things like drones and putting boots on the ground. yet, is that what it takes, or will a hash tag do the trick? >> i think what celebrities can do is run the court of global opinion. they do move people's hearts and minds. the objective here is to create more awareness tharnd issue. the plight of women and girls internationally, only 30% of

girls worldwide get to go to secondary school. there's a lot of issues attached to it. the key is to put pressure, internationally, on the powers that can go in and move this. right now, the u.s. has offered aid. we have offered to go in and offer assistance to the nigerian government, which they refused. we have military law enforcement and intelligence officers on the ground there, trying to even locate the girls right now, which is what we need to do first. >> rush limbaugh said, what is the message we're sending? are we this powerless that that's all we can do? if we are, is that president obama's fault? >> we have a policy, we refuse to call terrorism terrorism. we call it man-caused disaster. we refuse to acknowledge this group as a terrorist group. hillary clinton in her tenure refused to acknowledge them as a terrorist group. this is a unique moment in time because of social media, about a month ago, the world was

captured, the world became enraptured with this story.te t. these celebrities are late to the scene. and look, this hash tag stuff is getting ridiculous. sean penn puts a tough picture of himself. i say, a new hash tag is called for. a hash tag of the navy s.e.a.l.s symbol. and our hash tag should be #release the girls if you want to live. that's our hash tag. >> marjorie? >> just to say, sean penn, sean penn last year helped get the world bank to donate $8.75 million in haiti as relief. a lot of these celebrities, look, they're using their political capital, they're putting their brand out there. >> is that enough? is that enough, political capital, using their brand? is that enough? won't it take something, as james points out, john mccain suggested, hey, we have drones. what better use of a drone than this, no? >> again, according to american

policy, right now, that's all we can do. even those who were pro-getting involved in the middle east, as we have, have looked at the region and said, is it better off than before. do we want to intervene where we're not welcome and where we don't have a full picture of what's going on. it's up to the nigerians to figure out how to address the problem, and we're assisting them. >> i'm not sure in every way we can. james, you pointed out, hillary clinton when she was secretary of state was asked by the subcommittees, several subcommittees to call this boko haram group a foreign terrorist organization, which would open up things like the patriot act, more cia activity. why didn't she do it, and very interestingly, james, the minute john kerry became secretary of state, that's one of the first things he did? >> sure, i mean, it's another one of those inexplicable things that is going to haunt her in her coming campaign. look, the fact is that talking

and tweeting just -- i mean, it's great. it brings awareness. we're aware. we're aware. now it's time for some nontalking. and some action. and i would love to wake up some morning and find out that special forces and satellites and drones took care of these guys. >> and i would say awareness is step number one. no one can criticize hillary clinton for the work she's done for women and girls worldwide. she created the office on women and girls at the state department. >> i have to stop you here. now, hillary clinton two days ago was speaking. i can't remember, but she literally called this group a terrorist organization. this month, she called it a terror organization. had she done that two or three years ago, it may be different. there may be 200 or 300 niger january girls, children, who wouldn't have been kidnapped. >> the policy isn't to go after every terrorist organization worldwide, or else we would be

in other countries. >> that's called the war on terror. don't you miss that terminology, the war on terror? and all these years, women have been murdered in these countries by groups that use sharia law as an excuse to murder them on the street. and other than mabus leno, hollywood celebrities are unaware of this. go ahead. what does it take to call someone a terrorist? this group would definitely be in my definition. >> right, well i'm not going to deny that what's happened is horrific. as we approach mother's day and as a mother myself, i can't imagine what these families are going through, but labeling an organization, taking action, u.s. policy is to get involved where americans are at risk. unfortunately, this is terrorism in nigeria. i hope it doesn't spread, or our actions might spread. >> happy mother's day, marjorie. thank you, james, marjorie, and we have a new poll question.

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were not good years for the united states of america abroad. she worked hard, and she shook a lot of hands, and people said, boy, she's been on the airplane a lot. that's a good thing, but if you look around the world, whether in asia, latin america, the middle east, north africa, this was not a good time for america. >> well, despite that sharp criticism, mrs. clinton's potential presidential run picked up a major endorsement, rahm emanuel, democratic mayor of chicago and former clinton adviser announced he would head two fund-raisers for her next month. joining us from washington to analyze democratic strategists, janese, here comes another clinton. >> and what's wrong with that? we need more clintons, quite frankly. what took so long? >> what took so long, let's go back a little bit. mitt romney points out her service to the country, well, he was looking for something positive. i mean, you could go through some of the things, benghazi, boko haram, we talked about why she never called that group a

foreign terrorist organization, arab spring, recent russia. i'm still looking for the other side of the ledger. give me some positives on hillary. >> in all due respect to governor romney, i think that's a bit of baloney. where i come from, it's called, a translation quite briefly, to cover the sky with one hand. it's practically impossible. to say her record is negative is absurd. during her tenure as secretary of state, she did nothing but restore the leadership and good name of the united states across the world, in extremely challenging times. she is correct about that. jennice, are you saying our stature in the world globally is better now than it was four years ago? >> she helped defend our integrity and leadership. they were challenging times. and you cannot blame the challenging times on any one leader or person. and hillary clinton, by no

means, made things worse. she made things better. we should talk about examples. >> yes, let's. i'm waiting for one. >> let's talk about the coalition she helped build and maintain with top leaders on iran. do you know that coalition involved russia and china? do you think that was easy? do you think it was easy to avertan all-out war in gaza? do you think it was easy for her -- >> here's my problem. it's not over. my problem is what we have done with iran, i think s a huge massive foreign policy failure. we basically said, go ahead, do your thing with the nukes. we're going to back off. frankly, the financial sanctions that were in place were working. under hillary clinton, she helped negotiate lifting the financial sanctions from iran and they're free to kind of do what they want to do. they're enriching uranium. >> i think it was difficult to negotiate at the time. the agreement we did negotiate with russia and china.

it was dangerous. when they went in that direction openly at that time. i think you have to give her credit that she built and maintained that coalition between those two countries. >> so you brought up russia. what's better with russia right now? u.s.-russia relations, at least from this standpoint, seem as strained as they have been in decades. >> you cannot blame hillary clinton for that. she did try. let's talk about her -- >> jennice, i'm not blaming her for that. i'm simply saying, you said she has all these accomplishments. you included russia as one of her accomplishments. i'm trying to point out, that doesn't look like an accomplishment for me. >> eric, russia is a pretty big country. don't say i said everything in russia is 100% hunkydory thanks to her. i'm trying to point out the things she did to help us with russia, which clearly among the highest one is the treaty she

helped restore, and helped negotiate munich. let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. there's a lot she did right in a very complicated, confusing, and complex situation. >> you're giving her credit for iran. i would say no. you're giving her credit for russia. i would say no. and you point out china. china is going to overtake us as the global superpower in the next few years. what did she do to help us with china? >> let's go back to the comments of the governor. the legacy she leaves as secretary of state, i don't see how that would hurt her. i think people see her as a great leader, a great first lady for arkansas and the united states. as a great secretary of state and who would be the first -- i was going to say puerto rican, the first female president of the united states and she would be wonderful doing that because she possesses the qualities you need in a leader. >> thank you very much for joining us tonight. up next, the house officially established a committee on the benghazi attacks, but will any democrats

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misrepresentation of the facts of the committee. the speaker says he doesn't want it to go that place. i hope he -- that that's how it will go. when i speak with him, we'll see. >> with me now in new york, steve, a former aide to the obama presidential campaign and from providence, rhode island, radio talk show host and fox news contributor, leslie marshall. steve, i'm going to start with you. you're saying don't participate in the benghazi hearing. why? >> this is between the fifth and eighth investigation into the benghazi attacks. not just beating a dead horse at this point. it's going back the seventh time to beat the dead horse. these e-mails, they don't say anything new about what happened in benghazi, whether the terror attacks could have been prevented. this is just a rehash of the same thing. the same witnesses have been interviews two, three, four times now. what is the point of the

investigation? congress would be better spent doing anything else with their time. >> i could say there's new information that has come to light since the last hearing, but leslie, you say go ahead, participate. what do you want, equal representation on the hearing board? >> i want fair and balanced here, eric, seriously. we need six and six. just we're going to give you forewarning on subpoenas that were issued and we'll let you look into the durmentation, it's not enough, and it doesn't bode well for republicans in an election year. i do agree with steve somewhat that this is politically motivated. we had five independent investigations. nothing has shown there was any cover-up in the white house. >> i love the fact we have two democrats disagreeing on the same topic. here is the question, how is it going to be perceived by the public, by the population, by america, if the democrats do or don't participate? which one says, as steve points out, you have enough, you had

your moment, or the other side of the coin, do you not care enough that you're not willing to at least ask more questions? >> my response to that would be, we cared enough to participate five times. and we don't want to do it again. you know, we make fun of italy for three amanda knox hearings to try to get the result they wanted over there. >> don't you think the republicans are going to say, you didn't want to show up. you don't want answers, four dead americans? >> we got answers. a terrible thing happened, some signals were missed. that's the same thing, every time americans die, whether it's september 11th, the beirut bombings, this is the first one that has been publicized like this, and it's enough. we have all these investigations, all these witnesses. they're going to give the same answers to the same questions. >> some people are saying this may be brilliant politics on the left to say, we have done this before. you republicans have fun with your hearing? >> you know, if you're asking me

who is going to be right or wrong, steve or i, i'm right, you're wrong, sorry, steve, and the reason is you know we're looking at in this election and past elections, the centrist, the moderates, people who don't want to identify with democrats on the left or republicans on the right. there are people who still want answers. i think the truth has come out five times. if there's a sixth, the democrats need to be present to make sure the truth comes out, especially because i feel this is politically motivated. >> let me throw something at you, leslie. if you watch some of the hearings and we spent a lot of time watching the hearings, what typically happens, the republicans will ask poignant questions, where were you, what happened, where is the e-mail trail? the democrats will come up, have their moment, and turn it to something completely different. wasting the time of the committee and the american people because they don't want to do this. does it make sense? they look terrible doing it. >> no, i don't agree with you on

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narrative that the republicans seem to want to sell. if the president of the united states, barack obama, the day after this happened, went out and said this was an act of terror. for republicans to want to claim for the administration to put out the narrative it wasn't an act of terror, the video, the anti-muslim video claimed this to happen, the president of the united states counters that. >> i'm going to side with leslie only because we spent so much money in the country, a few more bucks to get answers is well worth it. thank you very much. plenty more ahead as "the factor" moves along. a new tv show cancelled before it airs. after the stars speak out in support of traditional marriage. the twin brothers at the center of the controversy will join us right after these messages. frequent heartburn? the choice is yours. chalky. not chalky. temporary. 24 hour. lots of tablets. one pill. you decide. prevacid. ♪ 24 hour

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men and women of faith. please explain that comment. >> jesus loves all people, but he does not love all ideas. that's the same for my life. it's the same for everyone. there's a difference between gay community and the gay agenda. the agenda that we're dealing with in american right now is an environment whereby it seeks to silence those that disagree with it. it begins with christians, those that would hold to biblical values. so that was the context of that, and by the way, it was not a rally. it was a prayer service. we prayed for our nation, and i called christians in the charlotte rare yeah, beginning with pastors, that they would actually look into themselves, look into their churches and ask god to forgive us for our sins and then pray for the sins of the nation. that was not a rally against anybody. but it was definitely pro-family and pro-god. >> can i hear from jason? jason, do you believe the gay movement has gone from love and

equality frankly to activism and boycotting in your instance? >> well, we're living testimonies of what an agenda will do. like david said, we built a real estate company the last 11 years that has served many gay individuals, and we love them just like anybody else, but when an idea seeks to silence any other idea that may disagree with that, then we have ourselves a problem on hand, and we believe that's what happened in this case. and now we are showless because of it. >> but that's okay. we're not victims, we're not crying and fussing. so we're fine. >> okay, david, let me stay with you. look, i'm pro-traditional marriage as well. but don't you believe a private company should have the right to pick and choose what they want to put on their network? >> i'm so sorry. i was having an ear problem. will you say that again? >> i'm pro-traditional marriage as well, but shouldn't a private company be able to pick and choose what they want to put up

on their screen? >> absolutely. that's why we -- you'll see on all the interviews we have been doing, we're throwing thumbs up to hgtv and say, hey, look, we live in a country, if you don't want something f you don't want to pay for it or you feel it's not good for your business, guo ahead. when hgtv released us, it saddened us, but our response was, hey, thanks for the opportunity, and good luck. you know, our thumbs up to you guys even though we wish we had the show, but it's okay. we totally understand. that's the great thing about our country. >> jason, david says they appeared saddened, the executives, but yet they still pulled the plug on the show. by the way, how did they find out about all the things they did find out about? >> when they first found us, which was about a year and a half ago, they had a vetting process. i mean, any good company would. so they found some articles. see, david, as always, has been

getting me in trouble our whole lives. he would start fights and i would finish them. there were articles david had written or spoken, and they vetted us and they decided to bring us in and have a little conversation about that. so we did, and we talked with them. they sensed no hatred in us. they knew we loved all people and were pro-family guys. that's why they decided to move forward with us, but we know what it's like to be bullied. i remember being 11 years old, he and i, walking down the street. >> well, the only reason i want to stop you is because the way you describe it, jason, hgtv executives knew in advance where you stood on family values, yet they decided to start the process of airing the series, but at some point, they pulled the plug. is it in response to gay activists who said we're going to boycott hgtv if you air the series? >> we're speaking for ourselves we're not speaking for hgtv.

they didn't give us a reason. they just said, boys, we're not going to air the show. they knew who we were, they read the comments, and after we had a chance to meet with them in person, they said, listen, we're going with those guys. they made us a great offer, and we started pursuing and filming and everything was great. when they announced our show in new york city, that's when the blogging started. that's when the smear campaign started. they started pulling my comments and pulling other comments from other sources and other people, and they made it -- they just totally said things that were complete lies. i even saw one that said god hates muslims. that is just a lie. i would never say that. what happens with that is that's when it started firestorm. and hgtv heard from one small segment of america. they didn't hear from the other segments. >> jason, aren't you upset with hgtv for really catering to one small segment of america?

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of set rns affairs to accept full responsibility? >> i am. i asked the inspector general, independent inspector general, to go to phoenix and conduct a detailed, complete, thorough investigation. >> the american legion and some in congress demand he resign, but shinseki brushed it off. >> will you resign? >> i would say i serve at the pleasure of the president. >> here now, rurauld geraldo ri. 40 veterans died waiting. >> there was a secret waiting list. they kept the books and a time that a veteran typically waits, and it showed the waiting time was much more onerous, unreasonable, and they discovered in the audit, according to the whistleblower, because of the excessive waiting time, 40 gis actually died. >> eric shinseki says he will not -- should he resign? >> i don't think so. >> why not?

>> very briefly. shinseki is a twice wounded decorated veteran of the war in vietnam, four-star general, former chief of staff of the army chiefs of staff, the highest ranking japanese american in the armed forces. a man who cautioned us about getting involved in iraq, saying it would be accurately -- >> what does this have to do with this colossal failure at the v.a.? >> as the secretary, the question is what he knew and when he knew it. that's why the hearings are valid. we have to find out how involved was secretary shinseki in these horrible decisions? >> why, giraldo? he's the boss, when the team isn't winning and it's losing, you fire the coach. >> three weeks before the r theilations of the horrible deaths in phoenix and perhaps san antonio and elsewhere, there was a poll that showed they were more satisfied with the care they get in the v.a. than they

get in civilian hospitals. >> aven 700,000 people on a wait just to get there? >> i have no particular dog in this fight. i want gis to get the best possible care. i'm saying the v.a. system was -- was by the survey, a national comprehensive survey, found to be complying with the needs of veterans. >> can i ask you this? shinseki in his own words, i serve at the pleasure of the president. president obama said the buck stops with me, right? can't we hang this on him? >> first, you have to find out what the facts are. let's slow down, find out who knew what when. that's appropriate. given the dignity of his national service, give him the dignity of what happened, and we will probe. i have been involved in exposes in the v.a. for every decade of my career, five decades now. >> no one is questioning your

patriotism toward the military, nor am i questioning eric shinseki's wonderful general -- >> you do that with every story woo do. that's your job. you see that as your holy mission is to come straight at the president. >> i come from a world where if you don't put up, you get removed. >> what about the survey i just cited where there was general approval by the veterans? >> is there any world you live in where you think the veterans administration is handling thinthin things properly for the veterans? >> the world i live in says you have to be factually grounded before you make wild suggestions. >> 40 people died. >> shinseki stayed in the army -- >> and he's a patriot and we thank him for his service. nothing to do with his ability to handle the v.a. let's do this. let's talk about -- you're a christian, i'm a christian.

pope francis -- >> i'm a practicing half-catholic. i go both ways. >> you're still a christian, though, even under that moniker. pope francis says -- >> i love pope francis. >> i do, too. >> at least we agree on something. >> so far, but let's take it one step further. he said governments should redistribute wealth. your thoughts? >> it was only sefrl weeks ago that there was the bishop of bling, lindbergh, germany, had a $43 million home. i think when you're going to redwint wealth, first, you have to settle the church, because the church has gaudy apparatus that i think does not comply with pope francis' vision of the mission of the church. he wants a poor church, serving poor people, and i think that's a good thing. now the whole notion of redistribution, which is catching traction here in this country, i think is appalling. i'm not a socialist. i don't believe -- i think if

you work hard, you should keep what you earn after you pay a reasonable share in taxes. i don't like the redistribution business, but i do think the church should practice what it preaches. >> you know what i agree with you on that -- i'm not sure about the church -- you mean divest some of its assets? that's a big one. most of its assets are in real estate. >> and bling, also. there's some really very lavish, you know, headquarters for the bishops and archbishops. >> we'll leave it there. you come over to st. patrick's cathedral and we'll light candles. straight ahead, bill o'reilly and ralph nader, in a moment. sfx: car unlock beep.

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built for business. . in the back of the book segment, income inequality in the united states as we mentioned with geraldo. the pope is calling upon the wealth at home and went mano eloquemano mano el mano. >> you were ahead of your time on the income inequality. you've been talking about this for over 20 years and it's a huge issue in america. i want you to tell me how you balance the money. what do you do? >> we start with raising the minimum wage, you know, to the level it would have been in '68, 46 years ago for inflation, that would bring it closer to $11 an hour. 30 million workers will get a

raise and they will spend tens of billions of dollars for necessities for their families into the marketplace stimulating the economy. >> but there is a down sign and there are unintended consequences. number one, prices for the consumers you want to help will go up, pretty much in all the fast food industry and all the places that have low cost product. number two, people could be laid off. small businesses say you know what? i really can't afford, two ten bucks an hour, not four. so i'm going to trim down. so i'm sure you've thought about that, right? >> yeah, unbalanced is a a plpl. there will be more jobs, slight -- >> how about the unemployment hit? >> the unemployment hit will be taken care of because unbalanced you have more economic demand creates more sales, more profits, more jobs. that's the american way.

>> i'm not going to oppose that, but i want to get it on the record. >> a combo. it involves getting rid of the tax shelters and escapes for the big multi nations, bringing down the corporate subsidies and give capitalism and stopping some of these very expensive wars overseas that the majority of people want ended, come back home, take that money and build millions of jobs repairing america and every community that cannot be exported to china. >> however, here is a couple problems. number one, you have to basically drop the tax level for the businesses, all right, if you want to close the loopholes, right? >> no, because we have a tax rate of 30%. the real tax rate with all the loopholes cranked in is about 15% and there are major companies like general electric and verizon that made billions

of dollars and pay no federal income tax. >> would you be willing to drop the corporate tax from 35 to 15 and close the hoop holoopholes? it doesn't matter, you got to get more money. >> it does matter for the businesses. the businesses aren't going to go along with it and move overseas. >> they can't move the american consumer market overseas. >> they can make their stuff over seas and send it back here. >> they already have. you got to revise the job destroying solvereignty trade agreements. they have u.s. corporations that ship american jobs to regimes overseas because they can work with surf labor and get their way in terms of pollution -- >> that's unconstitutional. you can't basically say to u.s. corporate, multi national corporation you can't put a plant in honduras. it's unconstitutional. you'll never get that through. >> no, you can't say you can't

put a plant in honduras but avoid giving tax incentives. >> that goes back to the loophole, and i don't want to oppose that. you can't suck the corporations dry and think they are going to provide jobs and expand. we need business expansion. we need a robust marketplace to come back here. you can't constrict it. >> you can't have giant corporations suck america dry and abandon it when they are raised here and made their profit on american worker's backs and went to washington and got bailed out. you can say oh, you want to go to honduras, china? when you come back, you're not going to get scott free. we'll protect the workers -- >> so you're going to slap a tariff on them? >> yeah. >> this will make it difficult to expand and hire. >> we want people to pay fair taxes number one, and number two, we got to break up the

giant banks, down to six or seven that are too big to fail and if these giant banks are too big to fail, they are too big to exist and can crash this economy. >> oversight is fine. again, you can't stop that constitutionally. >> no, you can break them up under the anti trust laws. >> ralph nader, he's a patriot if you agree with him or not. nader is a patriot. >> thank you, bill. bill and dennis miller will be bringing the bolder fresher tour to the trail in honolulu tomorrow. information about the tour is available on billoreilly.com. perfect for father's day if you sign up for a premium membership you get a pen, book and total. check that out. up next, am i a pen head or patriot? bill oc'reilly himself will giv the answer of this.

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tomorrow. thanks for watching tonight. i'm bowing in for bill ocho -- o'reilly. the spin stops here. we're looking out for you. welcome to a "kelly file" special report on politics and the press as we get closer to the midterms and watch a field take shape for 2016. one question is coming up more and more, how will the media weigh in? research studies from the 2008 and 2012 elections show president obama enjoyed significantly more positive coverage than john mccain and mitt romney. most of the press took a path on reporting the possible down side of obamacare, waking up to the issues only when millions of americans lost coverage, the