heather: we will see you back right here in an hour. jon: "outnumbered" starts right now. >> here's where it gets fun because this is "outnumbered" and i'm kimberly gill foil. here today is harris faulkner, sandra smith, ted day, #oneluckyguy, tucker carlson. >> hey. >> are you ready for some action? >> i'm totally ready. i meditated for over two hours to center my spirit. >> i saw you doing yoga and he is is ready to go on the hot seat. veterans after chair chief eric shinseki finishing testimony on the hill under oath for the first time since the scandal now engulfing the va.

allegations of secret waiting list and cover-up of lengthy delays while veterans died to see doctors. as you may expect at today's hearing before the senate veterans affairs committee, passions are running high. take a listen. >> any allegation, any adverse incident like this, makes me, makes me mad as hell. i could use stronger language here, mr. chairman, but in testify dense to the committee i won't. but at the same time it also saddens me because i understand out of those adverse events a veteran and a veteran's family is dealing in the aftermath and i always try to put myself in their shoes. >> is this going to work, tucker? he seems to be genuinely upset and he should be. >> i think he is is. four-star general. been around. spent his life in the military. i take him at his word. what is amazing the department of justice is still refusing to open a criminal

investigation. they investigate everything as you know but not this which is remarkable. there will be pressure, continuing, bernie sanders, the socialist, self-described socialist senator from vermont described as a crime and described it accurately. what is the justification for not opening a criminal investigation? >> i don't think there is one, sandra. that is the point. they should be investigating this and championing this cause and trying to get to the bottom of this. vet died. they rely on us for honorably serving. >> nice to hear he is mad as hell. he did vow to act if it turns up they were cooking the books. but when he was directly asked if any of these allegations were true to his knowledge, if they wering cooking the books, he said that he was not aware, with the exception of a few isolated incidents. but, bottom line, as great of, as great as the guy might be, if he was not aware, then the oversight was not good and that was his responsibility to track down these allegations as they came up.

these stories have been around for a long time. so whether or not he should still be in that position that seriously is called into question if he was not aware of what was going on under his control. >> harris i want to get you to respond to this we have a bit of sound from senator richard blumenthal. i would like to get your thoughts. >> okay. >> let me raise sort of the elephant in the room. isn't there evidence here of criminal wrongdoing, that is, falsifying records, false statements to the federal government? that's a crime under the -- >> should be, yes. >> and wouldn't it be appropriate to ask for assistance from the federal bureau of investigation? >> i will work with the ig to make that available to him if that's his request. >> you know what is interesting? you brought up bernie sanders of vermont and now you have richard blumenthal of connecticut. these are democrats who are saying this is a problem, this is a bipartisan issue. would i ask, and you alluded to the inspector general looking into it, and why not the doj?

i would ask why the president isn't sitting in on some of these hearings, right? who is more invested in making health care work in this country. >> great point. >> than the man who made hallmark legislation as part of his presidency on health care and here is a portion of it that isn't just not working but killing people, killing very people who fought for that country. where is the president? >> i know the answer. he is on upper east side of manhattan. they blocked the east side of the island. raising money at a fund-raiser. >> shut down manhattan. kirsten, this is a great point this is a call, opportunity for the president to show leadership, to show compassion, to show investment in his signature health care saying, i care about your health. i care about veterans that served this country. this is an outrage. where is the investigation? he is not doing that. why? >> i assume we will hear from him. this was not caused by obamacare. this is -- >> no, i wasn't saying that. he cares about it. >> this is something that is much more systemic problem that

is going on and frankly the va had a lot of problems and, you know, there is as much as people say they're happy with their health care a lot of people say that i always heard a lot of nightmare stories. it definitely needs oversight. i'm sure the president will speak on it. >> he put an aide on this. he put rob nabors, one of his aides at white house but not personally. >> harris, time is passing. people are dying. they had wait lists. how abhorrent this happens in this country? >> by the way bonuses are still being handed out. we heard from some republican lawmakers who at least, very least, not even the investigation, end the bonuses because apparently that is incentive. >> shut it down. >> that hasn't happened so. >> newly-revealed emails link the irs tea party targeting scandal straight to the agency's washington headquarters, a direct contradiction to what the obama administration first claimed when fishes tried to put

the blame on a small office in cincinnati. >> there was a lot of discussion in the system about the use of c-4s. people in cincinnati decided, let's start grouping these cases. let's centralize these cases of the way they centralized it, troublesome. the concept of centralization not. we're not targeting these people in that sense. >> so, kimberly, is quarterbacked and in washington, d.c., who is some small office in cincinnati? >> you're absolutely right about this. this is one of the biggest scandals and most significant. me, this is something i find to be criminal. it is far-reaching, it is extensive. this is something that the american people should care about and vote on when it comes time to go to the polls. it should matter. that is as much as obamacare in my opinion. >> they do. the latest "fox news poll" revealing how serious american voters are taking this. they're ranking it up there with the nsa scandal, benghazi

scandal, irs scandal. those who interest it very or somewhat important, 71% of registered voters that were polled. tucker, that is overwhelming percentage of people who say what is going on here? >> what is really's mag how high nsa scandal rates and no media attention and both parties in favor of it. one, mr. miller was right they did categorize from the applications but did it by ideology. these are tea party applications and put them in one pile. this is results of pressure from united states senator. he pushed this. he should have to ask the for that. what happened to house oversight committee, darrell issa. yet fell again to a non-profit judicial watch to get full emails. what happened? is that committee incompetent? is the executive branch withholding information? what is the answer. >> i said this last night on "special report," sort of in

jest but now seriously. they need foia can requests. administration is redacting information and holding it back and not giving to them panned clearly though know it has been asked for. clearly this was asked for before. >> why is it such a cumbersome mechanism to do this? isn't this a government of fully transparent? everything is blocked out, sitting on document, anything they can do not to turn them over? that to me is un-american and fundamentally wrong. >> many of these stories we keep seeing what happened to the va hospital. secrecy, hiding, covering up that is going on. it sort of what people imagined maybe is happening in the government but we haven't had this enough evidence of it, you know? >> these weren't rogue employees, harris in ohio. these were in washington, d.c. >> well and how specific, tucker alluded to this, how specific ce groups that had certain names in their titles like tea, party, conservative? they put out a bolo. that is what you do when you're

looking for a criminal. be on the lookout for a conservative. a bolo for a conservative? a bolo for any other group? put out bolo for african-americans? the irs, people would be rioting in the street. >> pay attention. >> i think everybody would be paying attention. but you brought up something else. we showed the graphic on the screen a few moments ago. depending on you who the administration handles that va thing you can add that to scandal if they're not careful with it. >> the worst part they were targeting people who are doing anything that opposes the government, right? i mean that is so chilling to have the irs basically saying, anyone in opposition to the president, that is what they're talking about, we're going to harass. i think that is something scary to everybody, not just to conservatives. >> so you're being disobedient and you get extra attention from the irs? that is frightening. where is the left? you think the aclu would be flipping out over this they ought to be. >> that's a good point. where are they? >> selective outrage.

own matters to their idealogical viewpoint they will get up and pay attention, same with the injustice department. there are plenty of examples of that. >> kimberly has the last word on that. think spending big bucks on your kid's sport makes them the next olympian? a lot of people do. think again. why it may drive your kid to quit. also susan rice speaking out about the house's new investigation into the benghazi attack. why she says it could be a waste of time. as four families continue to look for answers. >> every time i see this on tv, i see these bloody fingerprints crawling down a wall of that benghazi place and i keep asking everybody, are, do those belong to my son? starts with back pain... ...and a choice. take 4 advil in a day which is 2 aleve... ...for all day relief. "start your engines"

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among their questions? why was the attack initially blamed on protests sparked by a video? senator lindsey graham points to a press release issued by then secretary of state hillary clinton. >> she issues a press statement at 10:00 on september the 11th, putting in play the video narrative. where did she, what information did she have to make her feel confident that was the source of the problems in benghazi? does this explain where the video narrative came from? did it start with hillary clinton? >> those families that lost their loved ones in service to our country, because of the benghazi attack, i know what they want to know most of all. why has no one been held accountable for this? >> these remarks coming a day after national security advisor susan rice seemed to brush off a question whether a new house

committee investigation will uncover anymore evidence. >> we had an accountability review board by a very distinguished group of outsiders. you know, house and senate committees have pronounced on this repeatly. so, it's hard to imagine what, what further will come of yet another committee. >> what about this, tucker? do you think there's a, she has a point, that there's already been these investigations -- >> you know, susan rice investigation will determine she did anything wrong. bernie madoff made a similar point. everyone makes similar point. >> more to the point, there have been these other investigations. >> yes, there have. >> just playing devil's advocate here -- >> it's a fair question. >> ba will we get from another investigation? >> here we know as in the irs case it took a non-profit to get a smoking gun email.

that suggests -- we don't know why they were there, hillary clinton's involvement, et cetera. the idea of asking more questions is a bad idea. this is same thing with global warming, it is settled. be quiet. don't talk no more. journalist, really? i have some questions. let's make you answer them. >> harris, what do you think? >> this is starts where the questions are, one thing i'm saying republican not do start with the pressing question kelly ayote, what the families who lost loved ones is why has no one been held accountable? gop might find favor inside the beltway and getting more americans to tune in. statistically they say they're interested in. they're not beating down the door for answers the american public as a whole. what might make this happen, ask the first question, why isn't anybody held accountable? they like the talking points, those are interesting points but get to the heart issues i think. >> is there any chance it would backfire on republicans?

"fox news poll" basically said, 63% think that, they're doing just for political bain. >> that's right. 38% of the republicans think that their own party is doing this merely for political gain. that is certainly a problem. there are perils within the party itself. however, what i don't understand is, susan rice stands up there forecasting that the investigation would discover nothing. i don't get it. i don't get the aloofness. i don't get the disrespect. i don't get why she is not sitting there i pray to god we get answers from investigation. that is where they lose me on this. why aren't we speaking as american people and why are we still speaking as a party this is terrorist attack. they feel there was investigation. there was report. they feel like they handed over all the information. >> but they didn't. these investigations were woefully insufficient because there were so many roadblocks and such distractions put forward. she doesn't want, let's be honest, she doesn't want an investigation. she doesn't want answers to come out because she is complicit. she is involved with it.

she went out and did whole talking points on sunday shows and blasted herself, why would you do that? she will not want anybody to ask questions like tucker or journalist or any investigator because she might be even more involved and complicit in right? will she put herself in a bad position but she should care. >> do republicans need to stand up and be loud on issue though? they have been beating drum on their own. what does it take to buy in. >> come up with some explanation why this matters now, right? >> well it matters because we lot of people. >> i think to the point that they keep hearing about, the american people keep getting told we handed over thousands of documents. of course those documents there were key documents that were left out of them but they keep hearing from the administration we handed over all this information. we already said we were wrong about the video, so what is the big deal? >> because susan rice tries to divert and say what we should be focusing on today is safety and security of our embassies and

facilities globally. no better way to do that then look back at history and learn from history, what were the mistakes and how can we do that, kirsten if we don't have answers and don't know what went wrong that day. >> we can't even judge, sandra, you bring up a beautiful point. we can't judge how well they protect our embassies, outposts an consulates since that time. we don't know what was ground zero? what did we learn from that event? we can't judge the changes they made are right changes and in fact they're saving lives in the future because we don't know -- >> there is much more involved to be honest. we have to find out how it could be done better but i think there is serious, serious issue fail tour to act and protect individuals when they had advanced knowledge of trouble in that region and that area. we certainly more than any other country in the world, have the capability, we should do better. they deserve better. they're dead instead. >> wow, beautifully said. let's shift gears here. if you think investing more money in your childrens sports

will turn them into the next superstar, well, you might want to rethink that plan. researchers at utah state university are finding that more parents, the more the parents spend, lower level of enjoyment and motivation in young athletes. psychologists say children feel increased pressure to meet parents expectations. this makes the child lose sense of ownership in the sport and may lead them to dropping out all together. look at this your son's catcher and batting equipment can cost upwards of $1100. if you're daughter wants to play hockey, i have one in my household, it could cost as much as $50,000 over a decade. that is a lot of money. i'm guilty of this. give the kids, a chance to experience lots of things. tucker, you have several children. have you shelled out some cash on your kids? have you noticed that they're not that interested? >> i haven't shelled out that much to be honest with you. >> he is not a big spender. >> you're cheap, is what you're saying? >> no. i actually think the key point of parenthood is to make your

kids independent. and the key problem with parenting right now parents are too overbearing. and so there is some value in standing back. let the kids know that you care, you're interested, you're paying some attention. let them play outside with rocks and stuff. i'm not joking at all. the more you get in a kid's face and micromanage his life the more neurotic that child becomes. i've seen it. >> let me bring up a couple of examples that would contradict that. tiger woods. >> right. >> arguably -- >> seems like a happy, well-adjusted guy. oh wait. >> successful athlete. >> except for the girls and german shepherd in a hotel room. >> his dad raised him rigorously playing golf from age3. as young as he could pick up a golf club. serene is a and venus williams, their dad was involved seriously in the upbringing and made a lot of money and are very successful. coy go on. >> east german gymnastics team, same thing. >> a lot of parents, forgive

them they're trying to do this, this is not a bad thing, they're trying to mimic that. they're trying to -- >> high-earning professional athletes? i don't know. one in 300 million. let kids go outside to do what they will, i think. >> kick the can. i used to play that game a lot. >> interesting though, kirsten, if you flip that over and look at other side you do have these parents, kimberly, your son plays a lot of sports, the parents in the stands and have to remind the parents to sit down, this is not an nfl game or an nhl situation, that they need to chill out. that is a lot of money and they have a big ine investment. >> you have to wonder how many are doing for themselves and pushing it for the kids to succeed because it makes parents feel good. there is lot of research that there are probably more olympic athletes, are high-performing athletes didn't have that kind of investment. they're, people who did it because they loved it. they love the sport. >> on the flip side i think it

is good if your child shows an interest or passion for something to be supportive. you don't try to put emphasis on dollars spent. mama got all the lessons for free, baby. >> i want to live at your house. >> lying as -- >> free lessons. how you work it. >> kimberly says, take home the bacon. i want to live with you. >> president obama is blaming the gop for gridlock in washington. really? is that true? and so, did you hear about this? that's what i say, that is what it was actually saying before you cut me off. sound familiar? well, what do we know about men and women when it comes to interrupting? i would have finished that but tucker was trying to cut in because i got so flustered. what did you want to say anyway? >> can't remember. >> yeah, just like a man. ♪.

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♪. >> welcome back to "outnumbered." president obama saying washington doesn't work and he is blaming republicans, telling supporters, quote, we have a party on the other side that has been captured by an ideology that says no to everything. there might have have been a time that was exaggeration but now it is not. kirsten, the president says washington doesn't work. do you think that this is the problem of the republicans? is this all lie in their lap? >> well i think he is right, the republicans don't really want to work with him on anything and they haven't since he came into office. i think this is their approach. this is probably a complaint many presidents would make, blaming things on the other party but i think in particular

the republicans, i mean, tucker, what have they worked with him on? >> in this term? no, they are very anxious, the leadership of the republican party is very anxious to get an immigration deal because their donors are in favor. they want more cheap labor. they think it helps their companies. they are anxious to do that. i don't think they will reach accommodation much the base of republican party -- >> has been wanting to do immigration deal for a long time. >> more complicated than that. washington does its jobs when prevents bad laws. washington work something not consensus and pass it like obamacare. it is filtering out crummy stuff. >> if you come up with ideas and your ideas suck, why should someone support them. >> he had a democratic majority working with him. he wouldn't have been able to do that with the current congress. he was able to get that through. >> but when he had both houses? he hasn't really been able to do other than executive orders. >> i think his immigration plan was great.

so i don't ahe hasn't come up with good ideas. >> not that this isn't on par with other presidents and grouping them and subject matter like obamacare, 179 executive orders as of this morning for this administration. so you talk about what is the incentive for republicans to try to reach across the aisle? you brought up immigration. that might have worked well. maybe they could have gotten together but democrats recently decided no. this white house let all the convicts go, all the murderer, up for dough pourtation, we talked about it this week on the show. that is not a good ground for that. now all the criminals running around. they should have been deported out of the country. the white house might have open conversation about immigration. >> that is different issue. obama had an immigration plan. republicans don't want a path to citizenship. >> some do. >> well, not the people really doing voting. >> that's true. >> so i think there are republicans like "the wall street journal" who want that. >> that's right. >> you don't see a lot of republicans on the hill wanting

to reach that kind of an agreement. >> president still says he has a drawer full of things to do but you have to point out the part of the job for the president is to get two parties to act together. republicans said no, part of job of president obama -- >> you can't do that if they don't want to work with you. >> you have to try. >> he needs to get consensus like reagan has, clinton has in the past. you also look, what did he do when he had the opportunity, when he had both houses? squander it? i don't know. all right, ladies, speak up and stop letting people interrupted you. enough. because the george washington university study shows that both men and women are more likely to interrupt speaking with a woman than with a man. unacceptable. throughout a three-minute conversation women interrupted men just once but men interrupted women three times more. men cut off another man twice and on average -- blah, blah. >> blah, blah. by the way, you're aiming at

most interesting part of the study, women interrupted women more often than men do. >> no, i said that. >> not only do you interrupt, you don't even listen to her. >> i study, i am never interrupted mid-sentence by men, ever, ever. i'm always like three times a day interrupted by women. this is different sample. >> we don't obviously dot "o'reilly factor." >> kimberly i think tucker was cutting you of with his mind. >> vulcan mind trick. is november going to work. you can try. >> why do you think this happens, tucker? do you think we're less interesting? careful. >> just to go back to the data here, women interrupt women more than men interrupt women. >> we got that part of data. >> what is your point. >> sort of undermines your point somehow men don't take women seriously. women don't take other women

seriously. they interrupt more. >> how does it work in your house? you have four women, right? >> right. in my house i sit there. i make a point. cut off instantly. derided, i nod. the conversation continues without my presentation. >> maybe they're not good points. there is always that possibility. or maybe women just talk a lot too but we're very charming and chatty. >> most charming. i totally agree with that the upside, no one more charming than women to eat with. >> my husband says there is constant dialogue going on. he feels he can insert himself at any point like a commercial. like a commercial break. i can't imagine because i never talk. >> exactly. she is like silent. >> what about your house, sandra, what goes on over there. >> no, i don't cut anybody off. i try not to at least. i think it's a perception thing. i probably do spend a lot of time cutting them up. >> i'm getting interrupted right now. >> finish men's senses a lot, because you struggle so much to

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>> more yet r "outnumbered" in just a moment. first to john scoot with what is happening in the second hour of "happening now." jon: others are testifying in a heated senate hearing.

the focus this hour turn turning to congress. is va at fault for shoddy medical care at fault for lack of medical care for veterans or lack of funding from congress also to blame. hot fire and wind spreading across southern california forcing people to run from their homes with their lives. how people loose important and confidential information when they lose a cell phone. sometimes it is stolen of course. even more shocking, how often people put their live in danger to get the phone back. pretty incredible stuff. "happening now." >> we'll be watching jon scott. jon: thank you, sandra. >> the first female editor of "the new york times" let go by the newspaper amid reports that she asked for a pay raise to bring her salary to the level of the man who previously had it as editor. this came after "the times" ran an article and online video how working women could go about asking for more money. unless you work here, i suppose.

so -- >> how ironic. >> greatest story ever. >> if you read deeper into this, tucker, what you find out is that, they called her names and didn't like the way she was managing but this is not about her. this is a greater issue. was this about her being a woman? >> i would be careful of saying they didn't like the way she managed because women are very much standing for her right now. >> but they weren't in charge. >> this is my problem with identity politics. i'm enjoying the story. >> why? >> because of irony. she is a woman. she is not every woman. i'm a man. i'm not every man. barack obama is african-american president. the idea he that he is not for every african african-american. you assess people on own individual behavior. maybe she did a bad job. >> tucker, let me intervene. since she took over in 2011, she has been there just under three years. >> right. >> the stock of "the new york times" has doubled. >> this was a bad company with a

high stock price. >> it is outperforming the general stock market by 40%. >> thank you, federal reserve. look, nobody beliefs that the "new york times" will be turning a big profit in near term. nobody that knows the business thinks that. come on. >> that being said, if the revelations are true, that she went in and asked, simply why am i not getting paid as much as my male predecessor? it would not be all together shocking, except for the fact that they put out all the editorials saying women should be paid equal amounts to men because of this a recent study show showed that women journalists make, sorry, 82 cents on every dollar that a male journalist makes. also, 63% of all journalists are male. so it is highly tilted towards the male when it comes to the journalism industry. >> i want to bring this back where we are with the story. >> i'm employer of a lot of people. if you adjust for amount of uninterrupted time spent in the work place, women make more than men in almost every category. b, try to hire a male

journalist. >> whoa, whoa!. >> we are better multitaskers and can do more than you can in an hour, in is a minutes. >> i'm saying comparing apples and oranges. >> stand business, you said uninterrupted time in the work place. >> yes. >> men should be valued more. they're there. they don't have to take off time to have a child, anything like that. >> there are tradeoffs in life including having children. >> this woman at center of this, executive director jill abramson, though, went in asked for a raise, and did it might have be looking at value and how the company's stock risen. what we all do to ask for a raise to find out our market value is. you go out in the marketplace to figure out what you make if you went somewhere else. that is -- so what happened, kirsten. >> i don't know what the abrupt nature was. we're hearing how it is not true that women are discriminated against in pay and these kind of stories happen. i have personally experienced it

when i worked in the clinton administration. dee dee myers experienced exactly what jill abramson what she experienced, well, he was her deputy, he was making, more than she was making. so it is not just that she was at "wall street journal" before. the same thing happened to dee dee myers in the white house. her deputy was making more than she was. this happens. >> there are real examples. >> we hear all the time how this is all in our heads. it is not really happening because it is because women are taking time off or whatever. it is like -- >> but it is happening. >> what about those, i haven't tape that much time off other than the same allotment of vacation you get last couple years. so are you saying that, are you saying that because i'm female and you're male that -- >> i have no idea what your contract says or what you make. let me just say, overall as a general matter, two things. one, statistic that men make 120% of what women make or whatever the number is misleading because it is not straight comparison. and two, ask anybody trying to hire right now, the overwhelming majority of impressive qualified

candidates are female. that mirrors national trend where women graduate college at higher rates and get better grades. >> not argue with that. >> that is period, a fact. that women are suffering. men are suffering. 10 years from now, men will, one out of six american men unemployed. we need to catch up to reality of modern life. men are failing. >> tucker, because of exiting women do in the workforce to have children -- >> i'm saying it is a tradeoff. >> what about women who don't have kids? how can you say that. if woman and man -- >> the woman makes more. look at numbers. >> that is ridiculous. >> it is true. if you have parallel tracks work same amount of time. >> this is why your wife and daughters -- >> because i'm dust introducing facts into the conversation. >> so what you're saying this will balance out in the long run because women will outlast men. if we stay on the track we'll eventually -- >> it is not 1974 anymore is what i'm saying.

>> going back to this specific story. she is the first female editor of "new york times." while she might have the job is she still being questioned because she is female. >> i don't know in this specific case. i think irony is wonderful, that this newspaper whining about sexism is treating this woman badly. let's assess her as person, editor. >> pay her properly. pay woman properly for the work they do. >> i will. >> pop our twitter handles up. you can bet this conversation will continue. >> i'm not showing mine, sorry. >> for now he will take a drink of water and stop talking americans risking their lives over their smartphones? wow. jon scott just said it. the reason behind this. what you're about to see on this tennis player's shirt right across her. are causing a huge controversy. why would that be? >> great arm. >> what are your options? where would you put it?

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but i will sneak in a story here. here it is. tennis advertisers caught up in sexism controversy, very sexy sexism controversy about not what they're selling but where they're selling it. they're branding ads on chests of female players. companies are customizing logos strategically placed. for male players, placed near the shoulders. but for female players noter. the shoulders. kimberly, advertisers are putting ads where people are watching. >> duh. >> you don't seem that rattled by this? >> i don't know. how will she put on shoulders? she is wearing cutoff things and sleeveless in every single shot. i guess that is where you put it. i see what they're doing. i got it. i don't know. >> what are the options? >> when i was -- >> couldn't pay me to wear that. >> you were ad-libbing words in. you called it a sexy sexism story. blah, blah. >> i agree with kimberly, if the shirts don't extend far enough to put on shoulders.

i'm okay with it. >> strategically well, straystrategically one over each side -- >> but what are the options? >> you don't seem that, are you offended? >> this is just my eyeballs, tucker es eyeballs everybody's eyeballs go right there. from a business perspective, genius. that is where everybody's eyes are going. but from a tennis perspective, keep it classy. >> they are over here and over here. >> women don't have to wear it. no law says you have to have ads on your bobs. >> i'm glad they're paying womb for advertising. >> this is sister wind up. this is this national term minute news of feminism? >> are the -- i'm for women getting paid. >> i don't even know how you see the logos are, they are so little. >> make them stare more. >> i guess. i don't think it looks very good personally. you're right, where else will they put it? they could put it up here.

>> do you matter what is advertised. if you're buying space for advertising would you rad advertise like chevy trucks? no, products that men traditionally buy. >> now you're assuming only men are looking? >> actually i'm not. that's why i asked the question because i want you to concede the point night is advertising. if it is something i want to buy i'm looking too. >> the game of tennis has much bigger problems. have you seen some outfits, showing the fannie. >> i agree completely. here is the question what is worse, leaving a passenger behind or driving off with the gas pump still stuck in your gas tank? put men and women drivers admit are the most embarrassing mistakes. who is worse behind the wheel? we'll have that, breaking news, coming up. >> breaking news. ♪. did someone say burn? try alka seltzer reliefchews.

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wait, did a leave my kids in the car. >> i am an appalling driver. drive too fast and inattentive and i am a terrible driver. i think women are more honest. i think in general women are worse drivers. >> don't you get for being a woman on your insurance? >> i think it is dangerous risk and more likely to hit garbage truck. nwomen are careful and i used to get a discount for good grades and chickapoo and compared to my brother, forget about it. >> why are the insurance companies doing that if you think we are worse. >> the light turns grown it is a life or death race. >> he's saying men do that.

>> they are safer and you want to get to the destination. nmen are worse back society drivers. i have a perfect driving record. >> that's probably true. >> i will brag about it. most embarrassing mistake happening once or twice. it is night starting to fall and you forget to turn on your lights and they are trying to wave you down. >> and throwing bags out of mcdonald. i know what you mean. >> it is what bugs me. pull out the car over and i am going to drive. they will not ask for directs. and i drive to past. parting is such sweet sorrow. >> thank you, ladies. >> happening now starts right

now. and we begin with a fox news alert. the white house responding after va secretary appearance on capitol hill. responding to the hospital's keeping fake waiting list. delays that may have been deadly for dozens of vets. at one point the secretary was forced to defend his performance on the job. >> explain to me after knowing the information you should not resign? >> i am here to accomplish a mission that i think that they critically deserve and need and i can tell you over the past five years we have done a lot to make things better. we are not done yet. >> in your judgment, are people unco