survivors, victims' relatives. the museum officially opens to the public next week. thanks so much for watching tonight. this is "the kelly file." and this is a fox news alert. the secretary of veterans affairs shinseki does grilled on capitol hill earlier today over the disturbing allegations that dozens of veterans died while waiting to receive care at a va facility in phoenix. for the very latest, we turn to ed henry. >> good evening, sean. as you noted, secretary shinseki took the heat today. they're wanting to know why president obama is not taking a more hands-on role in this

scandal. charging that this fits a pattern at the white house where cabinet secretaries take the responsibility and the blame. white house aids pushed back on that noting the president has appointed a top adviser to oversee this review of exactly what happened at the va, what went wrong, and how to fix it. republicans said today they want to see the president get more involved. he's only commenting publicly on this scandal once. >> we have asked the president of the united states to get personally involved. they have sent somebody over from the white house. i think it's more crisis mode, spin control, if you will. >> as commander in chief, what specifically will you pledge to fix that? >> if somebody has served our nation, they have to get the benefits and services that they have earned. and my budgets have consistency reflected that. >> except going back to his very

first year of office, the president has made dramatic promises to veterans. he said in addition to more money in the budget, he would also decrease wait times for veterans as they get their benefits. that clearly has not happened at some hospitals. that 2009 speech the president delivered was in phoenix. that was where this scandal started when allegedly 40 veterans died waiting to get care. >> what about that allegations that the va spent money on furniture, conference rooms, and make overs? did you get any response to that? >> it shows government waste and suggests some incompetence. he has that support because she's a dehe's a decorated army veteran. what you're going to see in a

days ahead is a focus away from not his service, but the questions about the competence of actually running the va. >> great reporting as always. we appreciate it. we have put together the most explosive highlights. watch this. >> treating those to whom we owe the most so ungratefully fuung disappointing. >> could you explain to me after knowing all this information why you should not resign? >> any adverse incident like this makes me -- makes me mad as hell. >> maybe if he had been paying attention to his department, he won't have to, quote, be mad as

hell. ainsley earhardt, she got on the plane. she met with the family members who lost loved ones and met with people still on this va waiting list. here are their emotional stories. >> what happened to him? >> september 28th he was showing signs of blood. he wasn't feeling well. >> what did the va hospital do? >> nothing. >> when he fell december 7th of last year and he broke his back, it's taken months to get the va to do anything. he needed a procedure where they inject surgical cement into the back to fuse the bones and the doctor told him if it was done within six months, it was tremendously successful. it is now april 26th. it hasn't happened. >> bring him back to the er and

what happens? >> wayne is out. i mean, totally out. and i was trying to wake him up. they were putting medication in his iv and that's when wayne opened his eyes and said to me, that he felt frozen. and i asked him, are you cold? he said, no. then he turned his head towards me and said, hon, get me out of here. i don't think i'm going to make it. >> do you agree there is a secret list and do you think your husband was on it? >> yes, i believe my husband was on the secret list and i believe there is a secret list. >> you believe your husband might have the last person on that list because he died a month ago. >> yep. he was probably the last person. >> here with reaction, we have bill cowen and alex nicholson and ainsley earhardt.

let me start with you, ainsley. i'm very frustrated because this is the only national show, our show and your show, you and i talked about this. you got on a plane. you met the families. 40 vets died in. there's this other waiting list that they're not telling people the truth. you met this people. >> yeah, i met them all. i just got off the phone with joe. she said that they went in this morning. it's now been five months and nine days. he got the iv this morning. they were getting ready to do this procedure. he said, you know what? this is not going to do any good. we should have caught this earlier. i feel like i've been sucker-punched. there are no more tears to cry

over this. now my husband is going to be on oxycotin for the rest of his life. >> the only reason he got in today was because of your report on this broadcast. three people have been put on administrative leave. >> i asked her what's the reaction in phoenix. she said, we're furious that they're on paid administrative leave. it is just another typical government dodge. those were her words. they're spending 500 million in furniture and pay raises. they need to hire more staff. >> one of the things that struck me as you were interviewing each one of these is that all of them are alone and that they were -- the promises that we as a country made to them and that we're not fulfilling and they're

dying literally. all i kept thinking was everyone who was promised obamacare and social security was going to be in a lock box, we're not even keeping a promise to our vets. why would anyone believe health care is going to be there for them? >> this was one of those stories that i walked away with such a heavy start. i still do. i pray for these individuals. i think about them every day. >> you stay in contact with them. >> i do. they have become my friends. your brother-in-law went with me. >> the last woman has no money. can we help her? >> we need to help her. if we can do anything for her. >> maybe we'll do something next week and bring it back. >> create a foundation for these individuals because they're all in that situation. >> where is the va? where is the government? >> these are americans. we love them.

>> how do you respond to that in light of this new report? the va is spending $500 million on furniture in conference rooms. joe is saying he didn't get the care he needed six months ago. veterans are dying. how are we supposed to react to this? >> sean, it's almost too outrageous to be able to talk about without getting extremely anger. first of all, kudos to you and ainsley for getting this story out there. it's good to see it was a bipartisan criticism of the secretary. but the fact of the matter is, there's a leadership problem at the very top. it goes all the way to the president. this president is a man who sent many of our men and women to iraq and afghanistan. certainly some of them are the ones getting this shoddy treatment from the va. there are thousands upon thousands of people working in

the va that do a good job every day. the other people doing these kinds of things, we can't hammer them enough. >> even nbc news reported earlier today that there are internal memos that have been revealed that va has been using scheduling tricks to hide substantial delays that exist in the va health system. one memo april 26th, 2012. the va under secretary, said it's come to my attention in order to approve scores, certainly facilities have adopted the use of inappropriate scheduling practices sometimes referred to as gaming strategies. this memo came out in 2010, for crying out loud. >> you've had not only us, but

you guys here at fox, the coverage you guys have done of this has been fantastic, especially with humanizing it. the house veterans affairs committee in particular has been sounding the alarm and raising the flag about this for years. this is nothing new. it's all of a sudden now that we have started to report on the physical and fatal manifestat n manifestations that the va has. our members are outraged. we get calls on the all time with benefits claims. we don't normally get a lot of calls of outrage. we are getti inting flooded. that's one of the reasons we launched our project with government oversight today. >> $500 million in furniture and you have vets dying. we're going to stay on the story. when we come back on this busy news night, new reports

that claim that the executive editor of the new york times was fired after she demanded what her paper always calls for, that's equal pay. the paper of record is disputing that claim. is this another example of the left in their waging a war on women? later a live report on the wild fires that are raging out of control in california as this busy night of "hannity" continues. predictable over-night relief you can count on. -hit the beach in florida. -and a reunion in seattle. we can afford to take more trips this year. [man] when hotels have unsold rooms, they use hotwire to fill them. [woman] so we got our 4-star hotels... for half price. ♪ h-o-t-w-i-r-e ♪ hotwire.com

welcome back to welcome back to "hannity." yesterday the "new york times" announced that jill abramson was d d

d dismissed her position. now earlier today, the "new york times" publisher responded to the reports of unequal pay saying they were not true and that abramson was in fact made more than her predecessor. we reached out to her and we received no response. jill abramson's daughter posted this photo on instagram of her with the hash tag pushy. i thi i'm on team jill. juan, here's a white house that pays women 88 cents for every dollar they pay men. and the "new york times" obama

spotlights gender gap in wages and his own payroll has this disparity. >> i think you're so off base. obviously in the white house case, they've got women who populate lower level jobs at a greater number. >> really? the median annual salary for women in the white house last year was 65 grand. 73,702. >> that's apples and oranges. >> women? >> that's just the reality. >> she's got a look of shock on her face. >> what does that say about the white house that they don't have senior women? that's an indictment in itself. >> we can have that conversation that i think we should have more. the numbers sean was citing here -- sean wants to attack the president and we all get a

delight out of attacking the new york times that thinks they're greater than everybody. >> you would think he would be on the forefront. jay carney's answer was, we're better than the other people. >> i don't like to beat up on the "new york times." i love the "new york times." it's my favorite newspaper. >> i'll take the new york post. the wall street journal. >> it's just completely unacceptable. this is a woman that's at the top of her game. >> i agree with you. >> at a liberal newspaper and it is inexcusable. >> you want to say she's pushy?

really. >> hold on. wait a second. hold on. i am talking. >> you're being pushy here. >> i'm talking to two adults and two people who don't believe in telling people they can't use language that can't be properly described. >> would the same description be used for a male? we fired him pause he was pushy. >> she was lovely. i sat next to her at a dinner. if she's tough, so what? >> checkmate, powers. >> if she's tough in her

workplace, so be it. >> that's not true. look, you know there are people who in the workplace can, in fact, cause people to run in the other direction. if people start getting off the shape -- remember nate silver, who have a superstar over there. he left. there were lots of people who felt she was making people go crazy and leave and they didn't like it. that's a reality. >> let me borrow the shovel you've got in your hand. let me try and help you out. if you're going to champion the issue of gender wage inequality like the "new york times" and president obama, maybe you ought to make sure you're leading by example first. is that a fair comment? >> that's fair. >> the white house didn't do it and the new yo"new york times" do it. they're hypocrites, aren't they? >> don't imagine that that's the

only, the sole reason she was let go. she was like going through their like a storm and wrecking a pretty proud institution in american life. >> juan, a man makes more than a woman. >> i think you're beating a dead horse here. >> thank you. he just wants to -- >> i'm just saying, i think juan has the position he has. he's not going to change it. i do think the white house is a different situation from the jill abramson situation. >> i'm with you. i like tough women everywhere. an $8,000 difference is a lot of money. don't lecture the rest of the country unless you're doing it yourself. >> that's fair.

>> history has been made. juan, you're odd man out. pushy and bossy as you are. you want to be on team hannity and powers. i feel left out. >> all right. we kind of do. coming up next tonight right here -- >> why don't you accept that she feels that way and leave it alone? >> i don't think there's any argument about -- >> i'm done. >> and you're going to leave. >> no, i'm going to go to midland. >> chaos interrupts on the set after michael sam kisses his boyfriend after being drafted in the nfl on national television. ♪ the new ram 1500 ecodiesel.

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local morning show in dallas, texas yesterday. it erupted into a nine-minute long debate over this moment. all week, the media has been playing sam's reaction and kiss with his boyfriend. >> when parents do not have a choice on whether or not they want their kids to see this, it's wrong. >> i just don't want it in my face. >> maybe you don't need to see romantic comedies. >> we're not talking about movies. >> people kiss all the time. >> why does she not have the right to say what she means without being lambasted about it? >> she does. >> she's just asking. >> she feels that way and leave it alone. >> i don't think there's any argument about -- >> i'm done. >> you're going to leave? >> i'm going to go to midland. >> okay.

>> joining me now are two of the ladies you just saw on that video. welcome to the show. thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having us. >> hi, sean. >> what's the fallout? you seem more like the moderator on the program. are you all friends again? >> to be honest with you, everything has happened so quickly. amy got the call from fox news to be in new york for megyn's show. the day after she walked off, she came in the studio and we all talked about it. that's the thing about our show. it's an opinion-based show. sometimes it does get heated. >> that's never happened on this show. we've never had any heated moments here. i like passionate debate. courtney, you were the one who was really pushing your cohosts buttons there. you were saying it was racist.

why did you say racist as it relates to what your cohost was saying? i don't want it in my face. i think she was referring to the fact these channels were playing it again and again and everybody played it a thousand times. why did you call her racist? >> previous to that conversation about the michael sam, we had been talking about the sterling incident. we had been talking about a racist situation. i was saying it in a comparison way. i meant prejudice. i've seen a webster's dictionary since then. people have sent me screen shots of it since then. wrong word at the time. >> did you apologize to her? she's a cohost of yours. you obviously upset her. would you want to apologize to her? >> i'm not sure. we all came in the next morning

and we all talked about it and we said, let bygones be bygones. >> what she was referring to were the comments. third party inflammatory as maybe the racist statements of donald sterling. >> what about the one player that tweeted, oh, my god, horrible? this guy has to go to reeducation camp. do you want to live in a country where you can't express your views like that? >> he's chosen to be in the nfl. he's chosen to work for an organization that doesn't promote that kind of hate. >> sean, what did you think he meant? >> i don't know. i'm not in the business of reading people's minds. if i was, i would be much richer

than i am now. >> neither do we. we promote a show that encourages opinions. do i think amy owes anyone an apology? if she did offend somebody, perhaps she should. that's what our show promotes. >> i've got to be honest. most americans don't care what adults do privately. that's my personal opinion. we'll watch the issue closely. ladies, you all should have a glass of wine and make friends. coming up, we have been shedding light on the brutality that people face under sharia law. coming up next, you'll meet a woman that's been living under these conditions and also we'll have a report on the wildfires that have been raging in california. is there to record the memories.

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welcome back welcome back to "hannity." for years we've been sounding the alarm about the horrors of sharia law.

i want to clarify exactly what sharia is and what some of the punishments are for some of their so-called crimes. homosexuality is punishable by death. honor killings are allowed. murder is permissible if someone is deemed to dishonor their family, husband, et cetera. if someone steals something, their hand is cut off. beheadings, women beaten, stoned to death. here are my guests. good to see you. you grew up in cairo. you grew up under sharia. is that an accurate description? >> absolutely. the problem with sharia is it is not necessarily enforced by

government. it can be enforced by anybody on the street. >> by men. >> by men. there are murders allowed by sharia. >> meaning somebody who believed in islam and converts to christianity. >> a father, her brother, her husband can kill her. >> how many wives can some of these men have? >> four. the men does not vow loyalty to his wife. only the woman vows loyalty to her husband. if she's caught -- not even caught. if there's a suspicion, she can be killed and nobody goes to jail. >> and it happens. >> yeah. >> and it happens. >> honor killing. everybody would sympathize with the husband and act like he's the victim. men in the muslim world, sean,

are burdened. >> women are treated like garbage. in many ways, are they slaves? >> the marriage contract is almost like a slave master relationship. >> sexual slaves? >> yeah. sexually slavery is allowed under islamic law. it's detailed in sharia. there are pages and pages on slavery. >> women are not seen equally as their counterparts under sharia law. you see it coming back on the table in iraq. it is a thousand-plus year old tradition of sharia law where it permissibly allows a 9-year-old girl to be married.

>> and 9-year-old girls are sent off to be married. >> child marriage is a huge problem. >> what is the issue with the prophet mohammed on this? >> there's debate and there's -- i'm sure there's debate and different interpretations. bottom line is that it should never be allowed. >> all of a sudden the sultan of brunei has an investment in this beverley hills hotel. this has been going on for as long as i have been in media and we have discussed it. i have taken a lot of heat for stepping up. in this country, there is -- the democrats always claim that republicans or conservatives are engaged in a war on women because they don't want to pay for their birth control pills.

what you're describing is a real war on women, but yet women in this country have been virtually silent. what is your reaction to that? >> it's an insult to my intelligence. when i'm here in america, i escaped life in the middle east to come to america. >> your father died fighting the israelis. >> yes. men's number one duty is not their families. number one duty is to do jihad. to sacrifice their lives. >> holy war. >> i come to america and i enjoy this country. it took me years to -- i never wore the hijab, but i had it on my mind. it took me years to get rid of the oppression and the baggage i came with. here i am. i step forward.

instead of being appreciated, feminine iminists called me isl. >> you are a postate and that means you would die by death. >> anybody on the street can kill me. >> i wouldn't have the same opportunities and resources had i lived under sharia law. my parents left to give us a better opportunity, chances to live our life freely with autonomy. we're very grateful for that. we would not have gotten that had we been living there. >> thank you for telling your

stories. thank you for educating people. >> thank you, sean, for giving us a chance to speak out because we love this country and we love the freedom it gave us. we would like america to understand what we went through in order for america to prevent sharia from penetrating this country. >> look what's happening in europe right now. >> and england. >> there's a fear to identify radical islam because then you're offending people. >> you have to call it out for what it is. there has to be middle ground so that you can speak out. it is not just a women's issue. it's a human rights issue. >> i agree with you. >> we have to be able to speak out without being condemned for it. >> everybody on the left, speak out. stop being a bunch of cowards. i have to run heare. tomorrow night, i hope you'll join us for our special 10:00 eastern, a live studio audience

edition. we're going to tackle a wide range of topics, including the left's ignorance in finding the nigerian girls and how hollywood a-listers are late to the game on understanding the impact of sharia. coming up next, ben sas explains on how he plans on doing the very same thing come november. the rnc chairman is here in studio. does he agree with me the tea party and establishment need to unite on issues? that's next.

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but that would require wifi. switch to comcast business internet and get two wifi networks included. comcast business built for business. welcome back to "hannity." welcome back to "hannity." soon after the polls closed, university president ben sasse outperformed preelection polls, ran away with the contest, beating his opponents by double digits. here to discuss is ben sasse. congrats to you. >> thanks, sean. welcome to the biggest cattle state in the union. >> i'm all for it. i'm a big steak lover.

i hopefully am helping the nebraska economy. >> we appreciate it. >> a lot of people talk about the battle between the establishment and the tea party. you were supported by conservatives. is there a schism? is there a divide? >> you know, in nebraska what we find is that everybody's -- we're all conservatives worried about the future of the country that we're leaving our kids. when you're talking about a constitutional recovery, it's a winning message across our whole electorate. doesn't feel like much of a divi divide. >> the week before, the headline was the establishment is beating tea party candidates all around the country. you way outperformed the polls. you had many big names supporting you. but there is a divide here? there is a difference, no? >> in d.c. there are all sorts of crazy games going on.

there are some that are intent on trying to silence a lot of those that are most passionate and energetic about the meaning of america. when you tell that story to nebraskians, everybody got on board. >> let me ask you this. i think there are five things that would unite and bring together the tea party and the establishment. five items. i think every candidate should reason on this. balance the budget. i like the penny plan. an alternative to obamacare. drilling, energy independence. controlling our borders and doing it first and then choice in education. would those five items would be an inspiring, i guess, vision forthe, quote, republican opposition party? >> i think absolutely. you think back to 94 and the

times we have put together a wave nationally. it's when we go out and tell people what we're for. we need to be for the full repeal of obamacare. republicans is too often the party without ideas. they want to know what we're for. we need to tear down executive branch overreach. that's a great five. >> thanks so much. earlier, talked about these very things with a chairman. he joined me to discuss what the republican strategy in 2014 should be and beyond. >> all right. the chairman of the republican national committee is with us. nice to see you. >> thank you for having me. >> you were in contested races to get the senate back. >> that's right.

>> let me ask you about the debate process. you want to change it. you want penalties for candidates that accept debate opportunities that the party doesn't sanction. >> first of all, it's a circus. we're not going to have 23 debates. we're going to have a reasonable number of debates. this time around we're going to pick the moderators and the frequency and the timing. not the other way around. this is something that's really important to our party. i just don't think we ought to have debates anymore in front of people who are in the business of trying to destroy our party deposing our candidates. >> i have always felt george stephanopoulos, he's connecting with his friends in the democratic party with set-up questions.

>> worst than that, one cycle ago we had chris matthews hosting a debate of republicans. it's like taking the worst enemy lawyer of your opponent and saying i'm going to voluntarily be deposed by him. >> we'll do a hannity tv radio extravaganza. i just want to open it up. i'll try to stay out of the way. we'll make a deal tonight. >> you would be a great moderator. i want people who will ask fair, tough questions. people who actually give a darn about the future of not just our country, but also our party, taking part in these debates. it's a really simple thing and it's a reasonable solution. >> i agree. if you go to some of these networks, you're crazy. the whole thing is going to be a

setup. >> i'm not interested in that. >> look at how big an impact candy had. she was wrong and obama was wrong on the issue of benghazi. >> you had some of these guys doing debates two days in a row. so you're not raising money. you're not meeting voters. you're not doing anything other than preparing for departments, the aftermath from debates, the spin from debates all because you avail yourself to people who are not interested in the good of our party. >> i look at these conservative governors rick perry, scott walker. he put everything on the line. he inherited a $3.5 billion budget deficit. everything is turning around. deficits has become surpluses in every one of these states.

i'm a little bit frustrated with the republicans on a national level and in washington. where's the inspiring agenda that unites the tea party and the establishment. i want a five item list. school choices, control the borders first, energy, alternative to obamacare. >> release those five things. i think it makes us go from good to great. i agree with you 100%. >> it can't just be against obamacare. it's got to be a vision. there's no consensus yet. >> i think there will be. >> you think there will be? >> i think there will be. obamacare, obama, all these things are important issues. >> if you give us a chance to govern, we will do this. >> every couple times at bat, you have to be for what you're for.

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burning in san diego county. so fire the fires have destroyed at least eight homes, a condominium complex. a badly burned body was also found earlier in carlsbad. on the record starts now. alert. out-of-control nine wildfires raging across southern california. just a short time ago one fire roaring to life and threatening entire neighborhoods. thousands forced to flee their homes. reporter sharon shin is live with the latest. sharon? >> greta, we actually got out of that neighborhood and we are in a safe area now. we are in an area called harmony grove. you can see right there the sphir smoldering in that person's property. now, this fire right now, this is the area the firefighters were trying to keep the fire out of this morning. harmony grove. earlier this morning we were in san marcos. and we were in that