problem. we will talk more about this. >> that does it for us. thank you for watching. >> new details of why "new york times" abruptly fired a reporter as the first female editor after she complained about being paid less than males. and a publisher hitting back feeling portrayed and flipping her for badment and denying charges on unqualify pay. we go behind the p.r. nightmare with the most influential paper. karl rove questions hillary clinton's health in the wake of the concussion she suffered. he is widely attacked for a low blow. >> she had a serious upsold, a serious health episode. if you go through a serious health episode, it causes you to look at life differently. this was a serious deal.

>> did the fox news contributor going too far in focusing on her age? >> donald sterling digs himself a deeper hole by claiming more on magic johnson. and barbara walters hanging it up after 50 years. >> i was the first female cohost of a network program but i was a flop, as you heard, my male cohost didn't want a female, i was drowning, and gasping and someone threw me that life rememberer called "specials." >> how did she change television? can the view thrive without her? this is "media buzz."

new information emerging of what is a civil war at "new york times" a happy bennett when the first female executived spore in the 160 yield history. >> i am so proud of the fact that i am the first woman to hold this job. >> but "new york times" took a invite h beating when she was fired for being paid less money than her male predecessor. abrahamson was accused of public mistreatment of colleagues and denying the allegation of unequal pay after promoting someone who clashed with abramson to be the first we african-american executive. abramson claimed weeks ago her

compensation was lower than her predecessor, bill keller. >> she was not fired clearly beavers the pay disparity. that fed into a narrative she was difficult to work with. >> we have a former usa towed executive and a fox news contributor and former bush administration program and sign your writer for the "national journal." what do you make of sulzberger getting killed in the press. >> they bungled it. the reason they had to put something out on saturday was because of all the sunday shows who will talk about how "new york times" really bungled it. the problem is it is pathetic he had to attack jail, the woman he shoved out the door. >> pathetic because of what -- he is defending himself against

a lost coverage that was favorable to abramson? >> they spent a lot of ink on the equal pay issue. now, it turns out there wasn't equal pay although "new york times" says there was. they look hike hypocrites. >> the coverage has been weighted toward the equal pay issue and that is not the only issue no matter the interpretation you buy in the dismissal. >> we can talk about this all day. it is fan tass stick to have the publisher of "new york times" complaining about mainstream media coverage is fantastic. this --. >> try to restrain yourself. >> this is the team that created the tactic of bullying by the mainstream media. >> i disagree completely with lauren. the fact is, simply, there was one sour in -- course in "the nw yorker," she made up this whole

phony argument that she was paid less. "new york times" is on the record saying it is not true. >> you believe "new york times" are you saying? >> i don't believe the "new yorker" unsourced anonymous sourcing on the story. it was first written it was an issue she was fired over because she was paid less at "new york times" and it was on the record, shameful of the main stream media to follow the story. >> we will come back to the equal pay question. but, we still have an issue, michelle, where a newspaper has canned a woman and trashed the woman who had until a few days ago been the leader of the newsroom. >> that is right. it got all the good press when she became editor. you live by the gender, you die by the gender. on some level they are going to have to address questions and come up with why this happened. they talk about how difficult

she was. she managed down poorly. she had fights with people in the news room. doesn't sound like she managed up very well, either. when it was time to explain this, the pay issue seems like a convenient issue. >> there are a number of reasons she was health go and ultimately she lot the confidence of her boss but she hired a lawyer and complained to the "new york times" about how much money she was being paid. >> hiring a lawyer is extreme. this happens with women. if you don't think doesn't, it does, and i know it firsthand. i was promoted to being an executive at "usa today" i found out that my male predecessor was making a ridiculously larger salary than i was. i said, i demanded i be paid equal. equally. that was a huge risk for me to do that because he could is said, you are out of here. >> isn't that dangerous for you and other women to challenge it when you offered a promotion?

>> of course, it is dangerous. the sheryl sandberg book called "leaning in," talking about how you have to say way are worth and your value. it seems to me although she did it aggressively, jail -- jill abramson lean merchandise and was fired. >> i absolutely agree with you that this seems like a very convenient excuse by jill abramson. we knew she was mean spirited. >> what are you saying? >> we have seen reports for three years she cannot get along. >> so when male editors of "new york times" cannot get along with people, it is, well, he is an aggressive boss.

are women described differently in terms of their management style? >> absolutely. i have had some crazy male boxes over the years that no one chocked it up to -- they don't have what it takes. it is the way that women are treated. on some level, even if women tend to be a little bit harsher, which i don't know, maybe she was, is that how they got to where they are? i have been in situations where women have the same things to say in editorial meetings and same pitches and they are ignored. >> that is wrong. i have to say that is wrong. but i don't think that is the issue. >> real issue is whether this would be done if it were a-up man who had gone up against his staff? who he is been fired the exact same way as a woman in there is a very narrow band of acceptable behavior for women in management. you cannot be too fell anyone. you cannot be too masculine.

otherwise you seen as "pushy." >> we have to say it wasn't a scandal at "new york times" under her watch and she one eight pulitzer prizes and the paper was thriving given the difficulties of newspapers. the equal pay thing is complicated. >> i don't agree with that. they had tanked a little bit. they have gone left wing and losing credibility and these go to jill. >> newspapers -- she has been cited by conservatives as saying the obama house is the most secretive ever covered. >> everyone said it. >> now, the salary, and clearly "new york times" is not contradicting this, in previous jobs she made up to $100,000 less than a man in a comparable job and on her current compensation, pension, bonuses, he could be write saying she made 10 percent more according

to her boss, she went out to hire a managing editor from the guardian and does not tell the current managing editor who now is the first african-american editor of "new york times" because he was elevated in the wake of the firing, seen as an example of heavy handed management. >> i want to focus, really, on the issues that are important, we need to find out the facts. was she unpaid? "new york times" is saying it is not true. i am focused on the coverage. the media coverage was atrocious. they jumped on and believed we the story which was a convenient liberal story about a pay issue, she spoke up and she was fired. >> the facts show she was a bad manager and the paper wasn't doing well under her and the morale was terrible. that is why she was fired. >> i am told that sulzbetterer has it not only because of pay but in terms of the coverage if

we can put up the cover of the new york post, her daughter posted this of her, saying angry lady with her in the boxing gloves and would you say, then, that, programs, whispering to the media friends, abramson and her friends are saying she was put upon? >> a combination and women who have had experiences like lauren, including from "politico" the piece about the woman having several experiences. you are maying into a really touchy topic. i don't agree that it has been all about the money. there are also a lot of pieces that ask the question about whether women can get away with the same sorts of management techniques that men do. >> i want to say, this is a very 1 percent issue, right, that we are talking about but it affects women.

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could have suffered brain damage. the bush white house official responded in an article. >> i didn't say she had brain damage. she had a serious health episode. she basically is out of action from -- in and out of the office starting the 7th of december after returning on a friday from the czech republic and it begins over a month-long period where she has a serious illness and she ended up in the hospital. we don't know what the doctor said. we don't know -- she has hidden a lot. >> the detractors including some conservatives pounced on the remarks. >> shocking comments. >> the vicious assault by karl rove forced the democratic frontrunner to advance the announcement date. >>the worst kind of republican consultant behavior to feed into this personal...negative attack. >> what karl rove was purposeful

and brilliant. >> by and large, he has been denounced including by the right. >> i don't think you can count gingrich as being credible on this issue. he is a conservative but on this issue she have a long history. pouncing on that was legitimate. the "wall street journal" had the best piece on this they literally said the comments put the spotlight on her health. the fact is, we don't know what happened. the clintons kept this information very private. bill clinton dropped a bomb that six weeks of recovery that hillary clinton had to go through, we didn't know that. >> six months. >> six months. >> the media did not report that. what decisions were made during those six months in there is a lot to speculate. this is a serious issue. >> her health and age are fair game like anyone who runs for president if, indeed, she runs.

but did california rove go further than that? >> it is what he does. there is a certain sinister genius to it. he will get a lot of blow back but 9 how is out this and people we focus on it and forget why they even brought it up to begin with and as we go along it will be in there and people will discuss it. >> i i don't not agree more. what they did, he float add trial balloon for political coverage for 2016 elections and although that balloon was shot down by liberals, it is still an issue being talk about. "politico" on the day it happened hat i eight different stories talking about this. i checked and msnbc by thursday night in the prime time schedule was still talking about it on four of the five shows. >> talking about karl rove and his comments, not hillary clinton and her health and the questions that will set unanswered. >> my point is you have to talk about hillary clinton's health

to talk about karl rove so the how is still out there. >> i talked to karl rove before we came on the air and he said i have been say this for six months and thinks it is legitimate and he said he was surprised it was a headline writer at the "new york post" putting brain damage in there as if he was suggesting she was mentally impaired but he raised the question of possible brain damage so it suggests to me that karl rove accomplished his mission although he sees it differently. >> he did and in addition to the health issue it raisessed age issue which people, when we have brought this up on any channel they talk about, she will be 69 or, is this too old? >> they bring up that karl rove does not feel this way on john mccain's age. >> you he objected. but the media talked about age of john mccain and bob dole and ronald reagan. there is no dispute that it is

legitimate but whether he went too far in the way it was framed. >> thank you is true. i give credit to fox for holding his feet to the fire. there was an interview with karl rove the next day and he said, okay, let's talk about this inaccuracy. you said she was in the hospital for 30 days and it was three days. it could have been an issue that because he is a fox news contributor we could have swept it under the rug. >> difference between john mccain and hillary clinton is that the media were curious and reported on john mccain's able before this was any time of scandal. they are only focusing on hillary clinton's issue and whether the six months is serious --. >> but the campaign has not --. >> tell that to the mainstream media in washington, dc. >> he has who overstate it to get the stat -- saturation

coverage it got. >> but someone at fox playing two roads, a cable commentator and a partisan fundraiser, as it is no secret helped raise hundreds of millions for the republican party. >> sure. but i don't think anyone believes he is neutral in this. it is straight failure, he has a reputation. the reputation includes good dirty tricks up his sleeve. you know what you get. >> thank you is the key. we do not necessity with reporters. >> that was talked about on chris wallace people know what karl rove stands for. >> and he has the ability to attract attention which is why we are talking about this issue now. >> ahead, a look at barbara walters' legacy but, first, donald sterling slams magic johnson and the media's role in the disaster.

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it seemed like donald sterling would fade into obscurity after being band bit nba. we have had enough about the tape where three scolded v. stiviano where he told her not to bring magic johnson or other black people to the clippers game but he sat down with anderson cooper and could not stop talking about magic. >> what kind of a guy has sex with every girl in a certify and then catches h.i.v.? what did he do for the black people? he don't do anything. >> i spoke with co-host of espn

mike wilbon. >> mike, welcome. >> thank you. i thought the media were done with the donald sterling story and i thought we reached the point of overdoing it and now there are new tapes he talks about having sex with v. stiviano and he is fighting the fine of the nba. is this important? >> it is. it is 10 rain -- salacious. i don't know the last time, an owner of a sports franchise and all these are true about donald sterling and say something this hateful that became public. i know he thought he was saying it privately but in this day and age people who have public lives know that nothing can be guaranteed to remain private. it is like archie bunker without the laugh track. you know you are in a business where the players who are your

employees are 70 percent or north of that african-american. you know that. if you were in another industry maybe it doesn't cause the stir that it does. this wasn't the first time for donald sterling and, the players s' high profile people, well paid, said, we could walk out of the nba playoffs right now. >> thank you is true. that is true. and donald sterling decides he will apologize, he will say he is sorry so he goes on cnn with anderson cooper and attacked magic johnson and digs himself deeper in the hole. >> he dug himself a deeper hole as you said with the would be apology. that made it so much worse because then people were paying attention and it was not just some social media release or a tmz release.

everyone could make of donald sterling what they wanted in the interview. >> so magic johnson decides to respond in a cnn interview. >> 22 years ago i announced i did have h.i.v. and i came out like a man. i told the world. i didn't blame nobody else. i understood what i did was wrong. okay? >> was it a smart move to engage in dozen dozen by rebutting him? >> you have to engage, now. you can't just let these things standout. donald sterling as if he knows anything about what happens in the minority community as he tries to suggest, saying that magic johnson is not a role model and he could be the most important black businessman in america today, donald sterling who is completely ignorant of that and most anything else regarding magic johnson, no, magic cannot let that stand and be on the record and he not be

on the report that would be ill-adviseed. you have to come back to donald sterling on that. >> magic shocked the world in 1991 when we knew less about this and announced he had h.i.v. it is fair to criticize him? >> you can be critical. it doesn't mean he is not a role model. it is stupid. ignorant. ignorant of facts. what donald sterling also said was that essentially magic johnson doesn't do enough for his community. when magic johnson is viewed as hero, and beloved. and when i say "community" i am talking about urban areas where he put people to work, and donald sterling is ignorant in those areas. >> and you have his estranged buy going on the "today show"

and she says, she will get around to divorcing him and says he is suffering from dementia. my question is, has this story which we were so repulseed over and the racist rant is it now just a media soap opera? >> remember, the nba owners and the colleague -- 29 other billionaires -- they want donald sterling out. the franchise which people thought two or three weeks ago could sole for $700 million or so could go north of $1.5 billion. now, another sports controversy, espn cameras were there when michael sam was drafted bit nfl and fill be the first openly gay player in the colleague and, of course, everyone debated endlessly the footage of him kissing his boyfriend in celebration. do you think the media made too much of that?

>> i do. again, these are personal choices. my thought is coming out and announcing hit when michael sam did, that was the huge story. that was -- it was more than just symbolic it is an enormous story. we don't know if he will actually play for the st. louis rams he was seventh round draft choice. >> why focus on the kiss? >> for me the kiss way down on the list. whether he will make the team or pay can contribute or how the teammates will react. or opponents. what kind of interaction from the fans. how will management free him? how will he react to the pressure? all of those things more important but less symbolic than the kiss which was salacious how it was iraqied it on twitter and other places on social media for myself, speaking for myself, it was way down the list, six or

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>> when you see how americans disrupt their leaders don't you feel responsible? does it bother you when people say, ronald reagan is the president of the rich? how important is it for the president to be a role model? was it worth it if there were no weapons of mass destruction? >> why are you so unpopular? >> 17 years ago she launched "the view" on friday saying goodbye after enjoying the show with hillary clinton and oprah. >> i tried to talk like barbara walters. >> what an honor to question every united states president and first lady from richard and pat to president obama and michelle. how do you walk away from glamorous specials with this or, also, how could you be part of a cutting edge news department for 38 years? not that it was all sunshine and valentines.

>> so, first "the view," with whoopi and the gang, can they maintain that importance of the show without barbara walters, the founder? >> it will be hard to replace barbara walters and i don't think that show is going to go on as long as barbara's career. too much competition. women are working more. women are the target audience and too many other ways for the celebrity guests to talk to their fans so she will be tough to replace. >> "the view" leaned left but they need a conservative or two. >> back to the today show is it an overstatement to say she blazed the trail for the prominent females? >> no, no, if you think of the sexism that existed when she started, she could not be on camera when she was but she was

called the "today girl." she could not be called a co-host million mcghee died and she couldn't ask a question until he asked three questions. we cannot relate how hard that was. she did that. >> but she did a hot celebrity journalism and most fascinating people, helping her in the media into access hollywood and she was sick of it and pulled back. >> her celebrity interviews were interesting and insightful and she appealed to their egos by listening to the answer and she was able to disarm them and that was a time when there weren't all of the other outlets doing the celebrity journalism so her interviews stood out and they elicited interesting personal information that wasn't out there another way and that is impossible to do because of the way the landscape has changed.

i don't think she -- the celebrity interviews are part of her legacy. a last them are really interesting. she always asked question you wanted to know but you would be too polite to ask. >> a lot of the style is to get in the person's face and she was a good listener yet she wasn't soft, she knew how to put the zingers in. a lot of people for get many of the exclusive interviews she had with sadad and castro and monica lewinsky and v. stiviano a couple of weeks ago, but is that era coming to a close where anchor sits down with big news maker? >> absolutely. broadcast news has diminished. the television media landscape

is too fractured and celebrities and politicians are too knowing with media training and know what questions to accept, and they practice in mock interviews so why think can you do what barbara walters did, ask the tough questions, not in a combative or judgmental way and make the person across from her feel like they were having a conversation with someone they could trust. you can not do that. celebrities talk to their own fans on social media. it is impossible to do what she did. >> i look at these pictures of barbara walters in action, there will not be another barbara walters. >> absolutely not. >> i am waiting for the monica lewinsky follow-up, i think that might come. >> she will be back on day, not every day or week. >> she will. >> thanks. who thought the media would spend a week obsessing on

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time for our video verdict. brian sullivan is a cnbc news anchor, not an opinion guy, but he had plenty of opinions during an appearance on msnbc's "morning joe." >> sullivan was talking about growing up in a conservative family and then as he questioned what the republican party stands for, he started raising his voice. >> as somebody that grew up in a conservative household, i don't recognize the republican party of my youth. i don't like what i see. i don't like the far right. i don't like the extremism, right. they have pushed me away. as somebody who is pretty much not religious, right, prosame-sex marriage, pro

legalization of marijuana for the most part, okay, what party is this? what party am i supposed to be in? when i'm a fiscal conservative who believes that small government can often be better. >> okay. wow. i mean, he really went off on the party. take that aside and whatever he seems to be thinking about the conservatives and the tea party. it was good tv. i was riveted when i first saw this. >> this guy is supposed to be a straight news anchor for a business channel. he's not an opinionator and everything he says about the republican party is going to be viewed from that priss. >> it is, and people will look at him differently. now they know, and they can also make the decision to go click if they don't want to watch him anymore, and that could hurt him in ratings. >> i think this reinforces the reputation of msnbc as a bunch of left wingers. i'm giving it a 2. >> i'm giving it an 8. >> 2, 8, for the value of entertainment on tv.

>> and i'm kind of sick of donald sterling but his interview with anderson cooper is worth examining for how the cnn anchor handled his strange ramblings. >> the nba owner band for racist comments to his girlfriend v. stiviano when he said not to be photographed with magic johnson or bring him and others to the game. >> the thick though is what you were saying i don't want you seen with other guys. he was saying i don't want you to be seen with black guys. >> he said i'm using black guys, bringing gorgeous black guys. >> you said why are you taking pictures with minorities, why? later on you said it bothers me a lot. you want a broadcaster associating with black people and do you have to? you associate with black people. i'm not you, you're not myou'ree white or delicate latina girl. >> i can't explain some of the stupid, foolish, uneducated words that i uttered.

>> good for anderson cooper for the get which was hard to do. i understand barbara walters was also trying to get him, but, you know, he did ask some tough questions, but if you sit this guy down in a chair he's going to say something that's controversial. >> right. >> but i think anderson has a very understated style and he doesn't get in your face or confront but he had the information. he elicited a lot of newsworthy/stupid and embarrassing things from donald sterling and that's a lost art, i think. >> i think it is, too, to make people feel comfortable enough to do that, but as i said, this guy would say pretty much anything. >> just turn the camera on. >> i'm giving it a 9? >> why. >> you're surprising me? >> i'm giving it a 7. still to come, your best tweets and your thoughts on what barbara walters meant to barbara walters meant to televisi life with crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis is a daily game of "what if's". what if my abdominal pain and cramps come back?

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>> and on the story of abramson she has show she is toxic. >> if they are not doing a good job, fire them, gender aside. >> i coe not agree more. fire them if they are mismanaging them. if there is an issue of equal pay, it has to be addressed. >> my sources say that he thought he was going to lose the ed new editor if he didn't get rid 6 abramson. >> when barbara walters said goodbye an amazing group came to praise her. >> we stand on your shoulders as we honor you.

please welcome robin roberts, diane sawyer, oprah, katie couric. >> this is my legacy! these are my legacy. >> lucky dame with spunk. >> what a royal send off. >> it was a woman. i don't care your profession if you have been in it and successful for 50 years and she has influenced me and a ton of other women who have again on to have wonderful years. >> were you aware of her growing up? >> definitely. three men i watched, peter jennings, tom brokaw and...dan rather. >> barbara walters will be back. i predict. >> thank you is it for this "media buzz."

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