math, and what happens when you make costs get to the point where the boss can't afford it? what do you think the boss does? you don't have to like him. you don't have to hate him. it's just math. hello, everyone. i'm kimberly guilfoyle, along with bob beckle, eric bolling, andrea tantaros and jesse waters. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." they knew. president obama and his incoming administration were reportedly warn by the va about severe health care backlogs for vets back in 2008, so why has the president let dozens of our veterans die waiting for treatment? the whois claims there's no one more outrage about these backlogs than our commander in chief. >> the president is madder than hell, and i've got the scars to prove it. no matter is more outraged about

this problem than the president of the united states and he will continue to press as it relates to question as to timely access of care until it is fix. >> so why around we hearing directly from him? well, that's what our vets want to know. >> we need the white house, the president to come forward. he needs to make a statement to show the employees, the va, that this needs to change now. one death is tragic, but when you hide it, that's unforgivable. >> one lawmaker wants to know is crime has been committed and echoing calls for the virginia secretary dsh va secretary to step down. >> this has gone to something criminal, something where people are hiding names and people are dying. it's time for shinseki to resign. he's a great guy, a great american, but somebody who needs to fix a problem. >> you are seeing some measured

call for the secretary to resign. he's a disabled veteran himself. so still a little bit of a tempered reaction. more and more coming out is going to make it more difficult. >> more and mortem period reaction from the white house keeping their enthusiasm from him. as long as it stays on general shinseki. it's going to take off of obama. a disingenuous firing after dr. robert petzel after he said he was going to retire. they said they were going to be held accountable with that firing. more whistle blowers, more va problems, president obama isn't mad as hell, he's madder than hell but take a look of this picture, this is proposal --

president obama on fry friday. this is -- that's him shimmying across the counterat the shake shack in d.c. does that man right there looks like he's madder than hell waiting for -- our veterans are waiting for health care? >> first, to say at the outset and i don't know who wrote that thing, to say the president of the united states let 20 people day, it's outrageous, disgusting. the report that he got in 2008, going into 2009, had the backlogs that were building during the bush administration. this has been going for a long time. not just bush. back before that. the va has been overloaded. then we have two wars, one in afghanistan that was legitimate and one in iraq that was not, but it ended with aw million

people coming back needing va benefits. it was overloaded. >> bob, that's a fair point. you are saying this isn't something that just came about while president obama was in office but what we do know is this was a problem that was arising even during when bush was in, however at the time that the transition happened, back to -- they were given information, detailed reports that this was a burgeoning problem, that it was a huge that had to be addressed and what we're talking about is steps that have or have not been taken in the after math, having that possession of that information. >> it's government-run health care. what do you expect? if you open the pages of any british newspaper on any given day, it is a constant source of tabloid headlines. waiting lists, amputating the wrong leg. it's government-run health care. it's a problem. and it's not going to be fixed. bob is absolutely right, the va was plagued with problems going

back years. republicans and democrats defended the va. veterans love it until they get sick. these veterans can't get the right drugs why? because there's price controls in the va. i don't think president obama is really mad about it because this is the precurser so obamacare it happens to be our greatest generation this time having to deal with the government and this is what i predict, i predict president obama, if he's really savvy, he's going to come out and he's going to say, okay, pass the supplemental budget to the va. he's goss to say i want it on my desk in 48 hours and the republicans are going to go gulp, and even republicans who vote for more money for the va is going to have democrats use it against them in the election. they are going to turn it around and make it an issue. >> it's not a money problem, bob. it's an incentive issue.

obama will ask for more money and it won't do anything. >> we're all raising valid points. you can't throw money after a problem without having some infrastructure and an oversight and an investigation. >> money is not the answer. they get a bigger budget ever year. it's about incompetence. they warned about health care.gov and its failure. nothing was done. they warned about benghazi security, nothing was done. they worried about solyndra and nothing was done there. this shows a real pattern of criminal negligence. people are dying at the va because of this. people died in benghazi. people died in fast and furious -- they cooked the books. they put people on the waiting

lists for bonuses, bob. they knew about it for years and didn't do anything about it. are you okay with that? >> this isn't because of president obama. i mean, clearly there was bag logs prior to this in the va. here's the issue, president obama said he was going to take care of it. he said he was going to fix it. he took the responsibility. if people are dying after he said he was going to fix it, he did absolutely nothing. >> that's wrong. he doubled the budget for the va. i don't care what you say they do unique surgeries and other things that other hospitals cannot do. >> refute andrea's claim that the va is government-run health care and obamacare will be nothing more than a multiple size va for everybody. >> there is no organization better suited to deal with ptsd than the veterans administration. >> how do you refute that? that the va is a -- it's a text -- >> this is more of a litmus

case, it's a little test case to see what's going to come. >> it's a huge operation. 30% of the cases are ptsd. the va is well equipped to deal with it. >> it may be true that the va can do certain things better than private or university hospitals, however, if you opened up the system and made some choice in competition, these other hospitals would adjust and they would have the right training because there would be an open market to do this. it will never happen though. look at candidate, the -- canada, the u.k., any time you have government-run health care, you have waiting list. >> there's physical health problems and mental health components to this. imagine you are waiting for something eight months. told you have amputation because you have gangrene and they make you wait ten months.

listen to what dr. moxness said. >> how many of your patients committed suicide waiting to come off the waiting list? >> well, i was there briefly now, less than two years and there were two, but i was in a very tight-knit community. there was lots of extracurricular support, family, faith, vet centers, so we had help but no thanks to the va, i'm sorry, i mean, these men were eventually going to need more than a visit every ten months. >> she's a whistle-blower, bob. >> two people died. that's a whistle-blower? she's got a full psychiatristic practice. and two people died. >> two is two too many. that's the problem. >> people have gangrene, they are waiting for their legs taken off. >> read the material. >> that is not true. somebody has gangrene in the va hospital and get their leg taken

off, that's bull. >> there is whistle-blower after whistle-blower, heart conditions, cancer, things that need immediate treatment, they are getting months long waiting lis lists. that's our future right there. >> u.s. veterans in this country, if they want to do away with the va, it would be a resounding no. >> we're talking about reform it. >> now you are saying privatize and reform it. >> what would be an interesting idea if they appointed an independent committee to come back with suggestions to reform it. in the meantime, give these veterans vouchers so they can get the care and treatment they need at a localized hospital. jay carney came out today and said the president learned about

this by reading the newspapers. this is every time he says there's a scandal. if he pledged to fix this when he was running for office, don't you think he would be actively doing something. >> do you remember the expose being done on the walter reed medical facility? all hell broke loose. bush went down there. he fired the guy in charge and a year later, it's in much better shape now. when it came to light, he fixed it immediately. the president has been on vacations for three weeks. he's been playing golf, shimmying at the shake shack. >> you can't blame the bush administration for this too. >> five years into a presidency and he's still going it's bush's fault. >> they have every indication they were going to have a huge

increase in care because of two of bush's wars. they were never given the money and infrastructure to do it right. >> there's something should be done to show leadership, the commitment to the veterans, it would be great to hear from the commander in chief, right, of the armed forces, the president of the united states, with respect to this -- >> if somebody is waiting, they should be given a voucher. >> what are they going to do? throw themselves at the emergency room and at the mercy of triage there. >> the solution to the va and the -- >> so there will be no waiting lines at all then. >> just accept the fact that obamacare is here to stay. >> okay, and mr. beckle gets the last word. ahead here on "the five," we're getting started, jay z and beyonce star in a new violent

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a lot of you might remember this powerful moment from condoleezza rice's speech at the 2012 rnc. >> and on a personal note, a little girl grows up in jim crow birmingham, the segregated city of the south where her parents

condition take her to a movie theater or to a restaurant but they have her absolutely convinced that even if she could not have a hamburger at the woolworth's counter, she could become president of the united states. yes, yes, america has a way of making the impossible seem inevitable in retrospect, but we know it was never inevitable, it took leadership and it took court and jury and it took -- courage and it took believe in our values. >> less than two years later, eric holder. >> in too many of our school districts, significant divisions persist and segregation has recurred, including zero tolerance school discipline

practices while well intentioned affect black males at a three times higher than their white peers. >> what a difference is in speeches. this is, the ram -- rahm emmanuel was very angry because the attorney general called the nation a bunch of kawrds. >> i think there's a lot of truth to it. federal jails incarcerate black men and give them 30% more of a number of years in prison for the same crime as a white man gets, there's something wrong with that. when you have schools in the inner cities used to have some white students in them, are now all black. when you have a zero tolerance programs for anything that goes wrong, it affects black

children. there's still racism in america. it was not way it was before. we've made a long and determined road away from jim crow, but let's also keep in mind, she grew up in a middle class black family, and we're talking here about people who are in the inner city. i'm not sure condoleezza rice is the person i would necessarily turn to as a symbol for these people who live in the ghetto? >> really, bob, that's where you are going to go with this segment. >> that's exactly right. >> two things that you and eric holder said. i think he said zero tolerance disciplinary policies affect black males in school? why is that? do they misbehave more than white students? why is that? his solution is to lower the standards to accommodate the misbehaving black male students? what's the other solution? maybe address the root cause of the misbehavior. something going on at home. he wants to lower standards. we want to bring other people

up. the other thing that you and eric said that blacks are incarcerated 20 times more, you know what that doesn't account for, it doesn't account for priors. so someone has three prior convictions for selling crack and a white guy does it a black guy does it, the guy with the three priors is going to go away for a long time. >> you believe it's not because of the color of the skin. >> i take issue with that. >> any death row is overwhelmingly black -- >> i think blanket statements like that are dangerous, reckless. >> no, no, i come from law enforcement and working in the justice system as a prosecutor for many years and i'm telling you i did not see that. it depends on the crime you commit, the nature -- >> in california. >> any priors? >> yes, bob, that's correct. it depends on the crime you commit and the -- >> i have two contracts from

pelican bay. and the people that i put away there, every single one of them were white. all the death penalty cases i handled every single one of them were white. you can't make statements like that. it's reckless. we've accomplished a tremendous amount in our country with opportunity. could we do better? sure. there's always room for improvement. by and large, we have the best laws in this country. when you hear someone like condoleezza rice comes up and makes a statement like that, that's empowering to people. >> this was a commencement speech as well, but it seems like the attorney general is doing this to stoke racial tensions in the mid term elections so that he can gin up some democratic votes. >> they don't want to move the ball forward. the left wants to keep it where blacks frankly vote democratic

and they want to keep it that way. look at our african-american conservatives. they are all for moving the ball forward. look at condi rice. mia love, suzannea martinez. the conservatives want to put race behind us and move the ball forward. the liberals, let's keep it the way it is, right now you have a voting block that they won't -- doe want to -- -- it's all about the votes. >> rand paul is the one guy with some guts. >> hold on. >> how do you think chris christie won in new jersey? >> he went into newark. >> he went into a number of minority communities. >> i was talking about the members of congress. they keep talking about democrats get 90% of the vote. >> paul ryan just addressed it too and he got whacked for it.

he made a huge speech about this and addressed all the problems in the urban inner city. and he got killed for it. remember when eric holder said you don't want to talk about racism because you are a coward, that's why. no one wants to do it because you get whacked -- >> you are using raise to keep that voting block. >> it's all about politics. >> i think it's unfair for you to codify a black family. sorry, condi leeza rice, that's not fair. >> she came from a mother and father who were middle class. >> we'll talk about why that is that most communities -- families don't have fathers in the african-american community. that's a better message for eric holder. >> a thriller performance by michael jackson at the billboard music awards. he came back to life just for a

few minutes on the stage, was it cool or creepy or both. we'll tell you what we thought, up next.

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♪ >> but the event was anti christian and way creepy, others saying relax it was cool. >> i'm just thinking who do i need to talk to get my own little hologram. i think it's pretty interesting. it's innovative, you know, from a technology standpoint that they can recreate. >> the fact that they can do this and bring people like that is amazing to me and i know you guys are always waiting for richard nixon to be brought back. >> no, reagan. >> i don't know how they do it. it's amazing to me. i think it's a great thing. >> like i said, some people say, the guy is dead, leave him dead. >> i wouldn't mind bringing ronald reagan back as a hologram. >> now she's thinking. >> obama is pretty much a

hologram. >> oh! >> i didn't watch the billboard music awards. i fell asleep at 8:30. but i did watch that. i watch the video of this. i thought it was very cool. >> i'm a huge jacko fan. i'm not embarrassed to say it. i had the glove when i was little. i was doing the moon walk. i have the glitter and the zipper jacket. i don't think it was creepy at all. >> can you have -- did you have sleepovers at your house too. godzilla crushed box offices this week bringing in a massive $93 million.

the remake of the 1950s classic japanese film, blew away its predictions. godzilla is a god that tapped into people's worries about global warming. are you kidding me? >> take a look at the ticket sales. it will show you how many people are worried about global warming. he's exactly right. i'm glad he made it. the rest of you -- >> that's why they went? >> that's true. >> it's always more of this hollywood whacko hypocrisy. >> it's all about the money. you have environmental with matt

damon taking money from middle eastern governments. >> jesse, by the way these things make hundreds of millions of bucks. >> it's 32 nd box office movie. everyone is too stoned or too young. or they are already global warming people already. >> people are like i've got to go watch godzilla because it just resonates with my global warming message. i don't think that was the point. can they leave king kong alone? how about the japanese saying the american godzilla was too fat? >> they think everyone in america is too fat. >> finally jay z and beyonce

were fodder for snl this weekend. >> as god is my witness, i will never do anything to hurt you. >> okay. >> you know what, and the prove it we've got a exclusive with the leaked video, this time with the audio included. >> it tells a completely different story. look. >> man, what a great party. >> i know, yup. >> oh, my god, there's a spider on you. >> what, get it? >> it keeps moving. >> kick it! oh, great job. i love you solange. >> i love you too. >> they pretty much nailed t. >> whoever plays jay z in that skit. it sounds like him. very funny. >> that was dead-on. i loved it. i didn't watch snl. maybe i should have start watching.

solange, send her to ukraine, kick vladimir putin's butt over there. >> jay z and beyonce put out a video today,t short film. kg, i don't even know what it's for. >> i don't know. it's curious timing. they have a history of having moments like this where they are promoting something. remember when they went to cuba and they had an album coming out. they know what they are doing when it comes to business. this is kind of a curious time to do this. i don't know about the content. it's a little too violent. >> i have never heard a song by boonsie. the fact that they are putting out a violent movie. >> i didn't really care about the first two topic. beyonce came out and did that gun psa.

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yesterday, chris christie and dick cheney both spoke about

president obama's foreign policy. >> it's not to be the strongest economic and military power, but most importantly to be the strongest moral power for what is good and what is right in the world. >> america is no long are sending clear signals to the world, consistent signals, signals like the ones ronald reagan sent when he was president. as to who our friends are, and that we will stand with them without doubt and as to who our enemies are who we will oppose regardless of the cost. >> and here's former vice president dick cheney on fox news sunday. >> there has developed over the years of the obama administration i think a sense on the part of others that we have a weak government. he's demonstrated repeatedly i think that he in fact can be pushed around if you will by the putin and i don't think mr. putin has any hesitation at all from the standpoint of the

american president of changing his course of action. i think he's taking advantage of this opportunity when he thinks we have a weak president to try to restore some of the old soviet union. >> andrea, christie is obviously trying to burnish is foreign policy chops here. do you think the united states citizenry has an appetite for this more assertive foreign policy after the last couple of years? >> i don't. i don't agree with chris christie that we will stand with whoever is threatened. george washington said if you are a democratic nation, we will sympathize with you. we will not fight every battle. it's kind of utopian to think we're going to end every tie

rant's rein over the world. there's no guidelines for military involvement. we're going to get involved in every single conflict? if we go in, and flatten then and leave and that's it? >> what do you think about the vice president dick cheney really going after president obama, is he going pushed around? >> no. this is what he believes. this is what he said, you know? june of 2009. this is the way we're going to foreign policy, we're going to lead from behind. we'll be fairly aapologetic for what we've done in the past. this is the problem with chris christie, he picked a fight with the libertarian fight early. he said they were off. he drew a line in the sand saying we're going to be the strongest moral power in the world. now that -- that is a completely different from what the libertarians would say. they would say if we're threatened, physically

threatened, we would fight, if we're not, then it's not our fight. christie continues do this. if he wants to be president, he's going to have to unite the party, not to continue to draw and divide between one wing of the party and the other. >> i think that chris christie's experience in foreign policy extends to jersey city. i think they better get a foreign policy for new jersey because some people don't like to go there very often. i don't think christie -- has he been any place in the world beside new jersey and new york to collect money? you know what you never hear out of people like christie, we never hear what are you going to do about it? what are the answers? as far as the dick cheney is concerned, this is a guy who led us into the war in iraq and disaster and made iran a major power in the middle east. >> i'm sorry, how do you blame dick cheney --

>> because the iranians took advantage of the iraqi war and they were held in check by saddam hussein. >> that's right. >> you blame bush for everything. >> no, i don't. >> we see that chris christie is trying to dip his toe into his foreign policy. it's he's a former federal prosecutor, he was a very good governor for the state of new jersey. does that transcend to the presiden presidency. he's continuing to draw a line in the sand and perhaps a lee yen yating himself from a base he's going to need for support. china's military is caught spying on u.s. companies and bob's head is about to explode. stay tuned for that next. life with crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis

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back today, attorney general eric holder announced charges against chinese military officers for hacking. >> this case should serve as a wake-up call to the seriousness of the ongoing cyber threat. these criminal charges represent a ground breaking step forward in addressing that threat. this indictment makes clear that state actors who engage in economic espionage even over the internet such as in officers in shanghai will be sought for

apprehension and prosecution in an american court of law. >> here's a thing. fantastic, great. knock yourself out. criminal charges, ground breaking, really. here's what you need to do, beef up our cyber security. spend the money. we talk about where we can spend money in defense. this is a great area to spend money in defense. there's not a darn thing you can do. if they are all after the technology and they are going to continue to act. scaring them with charges ain't going to do a darn thing. >> it is a policy of the state of china to go after their adversaries, this is a policy of the chinese despite the statement they put out. i believe these former officials were in the military which does the bulk of their spying. they are buying what, most of our bonds, so if they stop, that will be a problem.

what about stop buying certain sectors of their economy? >> you know what broke the cam elsback. they stole our solar panels. >> this is a nice kind of show of sort of justice, but the problem is china is not going to recognize these charges. all the officials names are in china. if they leave china, none of the people in the east are going to be able to say we're going to extradite them. so nothing is happening there. this dog doesn't hunt. >> the chinese is the singlest greatest threat to the united states. the time has come, we bring these people over, and computer education and they know how to hack us. what we should do is not let any chinese people come over here. one more thing is up next.

it's time now for one more thing. i'm going to start it off. maybe you saw this. it's the cutest thing ever. austin cheney, he's ten years of age. he's a foul ball.

he gets it. it hands it to the pretty lady behind him, but if you watch really closely, he's actually switching it out very clever. very crafty little guy and he still got props for it. >> that's a man after my own heart. very quickly. we had four stories today so this one had to go in one more thing. check out something bad, miranda lambert and carrie underwood. ♪ >> that's going to be a hit song. all right. i'm done. >> all right. we like it. bob, what do you got for us? keep it clean. >> i said my colleague eric bolling loves to be in television. just today alone.

>> look who is with us today. >> good to be here. i'm having fun so far. >> hour three starts right now. >> ladies and gentlemen, eric bolling in for. >> one lucky guy, eric bolling. >> i'm one lucky guy in outnumbered. >> it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." >> honestly. you are hosting -- >> was i luckiest guy in the world? >> he will be performing later. >> funny, jesse. this is my last time here? >> it might be. >> there you go. >> a lot of commencement controversies going on these days. we have peyton manning though delivering a nice one at the university of virginia. check it out. >> one regret that i've always had here is i never got to throw any football passes here on this lawn, so if you will indulge me, i'm going to fulfill that dream

right now. seriously, there is no pressure here at all. if you drop it, it will not be on youtube. i promise you. >> he was a member of the red skins, they might have run him out of town. >> too bad eric bol's birthday was last month. drinkable sunscreen is hitting the market. you can either use it to block the sun or get a tan. if you drink one tea spoon three hours before you sun bathe, it will keep the rays away or boost them for three hours. here's my question. when are they going to have alcohol-infused drinkable sunscreen, so you don't get forget. like rum screen. >> i saw you at the tanning booth at your house. >> i have none of that.

>> you got to get ready for your next show. >> honestly, he hasn't done enough television today. >> don't forget to set your dvr so you never miss an episode of "the five." "special report" is next. president obama may have known about massive delays and false published wait times at the va even before he was president. this is "special report." good evening, i'm bret baier. the question of what the president knew and when he knew it tonight aplis to the growing scandal over veterans fair. here are today's development. a doctor who work at a va hospital in west virginia insists she was told to put patients off for months on end with disastrous results. a published report talks