want to get you involved emotionally with the factor. thanks for watching us tonight. ms. megyn up next. i'm bill o'reilly reporting live from los angeles. the spin stops here in l.a. we're definitely looking out for you. i'm megyn kelly live in new york and tonight. >> i assure you that they will be punished. >> fallout in the handling of the growing va scandal. he says he's on the case but even some democrats are keep banding more. >> mr. president, we need urgency, we need you to roll up our sleeves and get into these hospitals. >> plus. >> knowing where the money comes from. >> bill maker james o keith today releasing a documentary designed to highlight hypocrisy. he's here live and then.

>> wheel of fortune! >> see why some folks are screaming for pet stage act to be fired after he has fun with the issue of global warming on a very hot "kelly file" right now. >> breaking tonight, angry fallout after the effort to contain eloquent gages that veterans are literally dying from problems with the va health care system. welcome to the "kelly file", everyone, i'm megyn kelly. in the last few hours, the house passed a bill called the va management accountability act, a measure that gives veterans, the veterans administration secretary, mr. shinseki, the general, the ability to fire anyone he wants if they deserve it. a bill the white house has not said they will fine and the bill general shinseki opposes. why? to get real action on the va in a scandal that exploded over the last month with allegations of desperate and sometimes deadly

waits for medical care at more than two dozen facilities across more than half the state's in the union. here is the president addressing this issue this morning. >> once we know the facts, i assure you, if there is misconduct, they will be punished and i expect that full report from rob next month. we have to find out, first of all, what actualexactly happene. i want to see what the results of these reports are, and there is going to be accountability. i am going to make sure that there is accountability throughout the system after i get the full report. i am going to do everything in my power using the resources of the white house to help that process of getting to the bottom of what happened and fixing it, but i'm also going to be waiting to see what the results of all this review process yields. i won't know until the full report is put forward. i want them punished, so that's

what we're going to hopefully find out from the ig report, as well as the audits taking place. >> so he's waiting for the report, but there has been a report, multiple reports in fact. indeed, back as far as 2008, president obama was reportedly informed of case backlogs at the va during his transition to the white house, his team was informed, according to the washington times which received a memo with an information act request. by 2010 the administration was problems with the va staffer was gaming and hiding wait times. not just oh, we knew about the backlog. they knew people were messing with the books. they were warned don't trust the numbers being sent up to you and what did they do? they appear to have trusted the numbers. the goa addressed this noting

schedules at four va medical centers hit actual wait times, fudged the numbers and backdated appointments to meet timeliness goals set by department headquarters. the goal is not to make the books look better, but the golfs to make the system look better. for months, the committee has been pressing the va for answers on this and then in april, news broke as many as 40 veterans may have died at one va facility alone in phoenix waiting for care that would never come. a story the president commented on just once before today when fox news pressed him on it. and when the commander in chief spoke this morning, here was the part of the message he wanted us to take away. >> even as we get to the bottom of what happened at phoenix and other facilities, all of us whether here in washington or all across the country have to stay focused on the larger mission, which is upholding our

safer trusts to all of our veterans, taking care of our veterans and dhtheir families h been one of the cases of my presidency and it is something all of us have to be involved with and have to be paying attention to. >> joining me now, california republican duncan hunter, a member of the house armed services committee and pete, a fox news contributor and ceo of concern veterans of america. thank you for being here. the president ends remarks, the president whose administration is under fire now for the facts as i just laid them out in that intro, lecturing the american people on the sacred trust we're supposed to have with veterans. pete, let me start with you, has he seeded the right to lek cure given what we've seen in the news? >> he has. he stood up on that podium and

said nothing for 45 minutes. stood up there and talked about accountability while holding nobody accountable and talked about promises while waiting for yet another investigation from a political appointee who is good friends with eric shinseki. it is offensive to see someone stand thereupon and talk the way he does. today was a tale of two moments, an afternoon where representative hunter and jeff miller and others stepped up and had a historic vote to hold the va accountable. that's what real leadership looks like. >> something the president has not committed to signing, representative hunter, that general shinseki appears to be against. why do we need a bill that allows shinseki to fire people? that's the kind of bureaucracy that operates in washington? you have to pass a specific bill to get president obama to sign for them to start firing incompetents. >> incredible and in michigan angry because it's fathers,

daughters, sons, brothers, people that sacrificed for this nation and to see the president pull, this every single government organization is run like this believe it or not. every single one is run like this but nobody dies, so we don't hear about it. that's the only difference. this is what government bureaucracy brings you and probably one reason that obama doesn't want to fix it too badly is because this is what obamacare is going to look like in about ten years. this is government-run health care. this is how it's done. it's not compassion et. it's bureaucratic and this should make the american people angry, and i think it is. >> pete, the president said he needs to wait for a report, meanwhile, veterans are dying. the va admitted that these wait times have at least affected the care of at least 23 dead veteran s, so they admit it affected the care of at least 25, not to mention the others still waiting and hurting. we need yet another report. you've been following this for

years. we know that the white house was warned years ago this was an issue. what has brought it now to critical mass, the fact that now we have documented deaths? >> it's two things, not only documented deaths, veterans literally dying while waiting on secret lists and cow -on ration. the ig is invest vest gating 26 facilities across america. this is something eric shinseki knew about and if the president had his finger on this, he would know and press on it. the only solution he talks about is spending more money. there is no doubt this administration spends more money but if you spend more money at a bureaucracy not using it properly, you won't get better outcomes, which is why you've seen the backlog and wait times

go higher, months and months and months for things like colin -- colonoscopie colonoscopies. >> our veterans should not become a political football and critics came out and said where was that attitude when you were running for the presidency and there was mold at walter reed and you went on and on and on making that a political issue. is this or is this not a fair issue for voters to consider in evaluating the competence of the commander in chief? >> absolutely. the president is showing that he couldn't even run a race. if he can't run one bureaucratic organization like the va, you see other things like the irs and benghazi and places he pleads ignorance all the time and reads things in the newspaper. that's what he is. we knew he wasn't an executive. he was a politician from illinois, not an executive and

this is what you get when you elect people to run things who don't know how to run things. >> megyn, this is about leadership and competence and whether you believe government can fix problems or the free market can. >> thank you for your service and for being here. the va scandal has driven a bipartisan response with 33 democrats voting no on that bill, just 33 of them that passed a couple hours ago. one democrat today went further calling out the president for not doing enough on this. watch. >> i'm listening to the president today and i was very disappointed with president obama today. there was no urgency. mr. president, we need urgency. we need you to roll up our sleeves and get into these hospitals. we need you to set a pattern at the va hospitals. let's give partnerships. they don't get another minute. >> joining me now, miguel johnson a democratic strategist

with the american institute. is he right? >> yeah, we need urgency and i'm happy to see a democrat come in this. i think the president did what he needed to do today, stepped in and had a conversation about the accountability that needs to happen with the va. we're sending men and women, young men and women over to fight for freedom and liberty of this country, they deserve to come back to a system that functions. >> let's put aside what the president has done today. how do we get to this point, alexis, as a defender, how do you defend us getting to this point in the wake of what we just discussed in the intro about the notice they had? >> i think that's what is actually going to come out in the report. i think we're looking at a system, a failed system that's been in disrepair for many, many years. >> it has. >> we had -- i think what happened, it's like a perfect

storm in many ways, right, that we had general shinseki coming in who is trying to modernize and i think with a good heart, right? this is a guy -- >> i haven't heard anybody -- >> so he's trying -- >> he failed. he has failed. >> he was overwhelmed with a system where he was trying to " modernize basic health care records, to create an electronic health care system. we have tens of thousands. >> he ignored these warnings or mismanaged the problem. >> this is the perfect storm, you have tens of thousands of veterans coming back from afghanistan and iraq as wars are winding down. you have billions of dollars of cuts and, you know, i understand -- >> no, no, money is not the problem. both sides are testifying money isn't the problem. we talked about increase in funding. it hasn't been the money. it's the management. does general shinseki need to go? >> i disagree. money has a lot to do with providing good health care and i

think our veterans require good health care, prosthetics, they require investments and those are the investments that we're making. >> let me correct myself, they don't need appointments, real appointments. i got to run. great to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> we have great information for the 9/11 museum as it opens to the public for the very first time, plus. >> it was not necessary that the families or our country to do this the partisan exercise once again. >> democrats make a big move on the investigation into the deadly benghazi attacks. jay christian adams on the real message behind nancy pelosi's big announcement, plus, james o keith just released a film that he says shows the hypocrisy of hollywood. a project that could leave him facing criminal charges. [ female announcer ] there's a gap out there. that's keeping you from the healthcare you deserve.

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keep the funding protected and cover it up by saying ngo nonprofits are funding the film. >> so they are trying to promote greener near gee, energy, you're showing them apparently more than willing to take the funding for the movie to the tune of $9 million from a guy posing as an oil guy? >> that's right. mohammed was posing as an oil sheik andmotives, doing this for the money or what? we know "promise land" was funded by abu dabi. >> you found they weren't standing on principle. however, they came out with a video statement, they are very

upset with you games and came out with a video statement and said in part they -- the reason they didn't care about where the money was going to come from is because they really wanted to get their anti fracking message out, even if it came from sponsored in part from doe from a shake. here is the guy on film on his thoughts. >> we thought to ourselves, oh, the irony, we'll use the funding from an oil company to make a film that promotes green energy. >> he produced a beautiful response to your sting video. >> yeah, interesting question, do they feel comfortable in the middle east, in their economic interest. i think the thing about this film that we did was showing that they are trying to stop our energy independence and those hollywood film makers are okay with that and what's worse, they

are using nonprofit groups and c 3 groups to coverup where the funding is coming from. is that illegal? i know the senate has been investigating that very issue. so there is serious issues about the coverup of the funding and about how many movies in hollywood are funded by these middle east earn groups. >> i know there was information today about a senate committee, you tweeted a senate committee reached out to you over possible nonprofit participation or coverup in this video. is that true? have you been reached out to by lawmakers? >> i have. i'm not allowed to give too much information at this point but the bottom line is the senate has been investigating the specific issue about ngos and c s and funding but it's not information i can give at this point. >> let me ask this, california is a two consent state, you have to have the consent of everybody involved. it looks like you didn't have it here. are you facing possible crime

anytime char -- criminal charges? >> no, we didn't break the law. the law is clear, if there is no expectation of privacy, there is an exception. states like illinois overturn their recording laws on the grounds it was unconstitutional but if you talk about law breaking or expectation of privacy, don sterling, nobody seemed to address that issue and unlike that situation where that was pillow talk, this was public at a public place with people sitting around the table so it's different. >> i got to run. thanks for being here james. the clinton political machine when he agreed to cosign for his daughter's credit card... he thought it was the end of the conversation. she didn't tell him that her college expenses were going up. or that she maxed out her card during spring break. when the satellite provider checked his credit,

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family but about what she did for him in 1994. she lost her seat. he has a lot of debts to try to repay thcycle and she'll retry pay this cycle and chips they will try to store up. governor's race in arkansas where the clintons want to demonstrate they are able to help democrats win in places where president obama is toxic. that helps them not only establish their primaries again in the party but builds up the favor bank and has ideas that hillary clinton is not going to be the nominee they can squash that. if they can't win, though, if they can't deliver it's a mute point. >> first step not according to plan. >> right. >> good to see you. >> you bet. democrats make a big move into the investigation of the deadly benghazi attacks, jay christian adams on the real message behind nancy pelosi's big announcement today and a "kelly file" exclusive in

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breaking tonight, after days of debate house democrat appointed five members to the special benghazi select committee including the top democrat, congressman elijah cummings but the democrats happen to be some of the most vocal opponents to even having this committee. >> i don't see what this select committee is going to be able to do that we couldn't do in our committee. >> i think the desire of the republicans to create a scandal here has really undermined any ability to have a credible look. >> with all due respect to the interest in this on fox news and with me three senate colleagues, we have received yet another report, this time a bipartisan report from the intelligence committee saying there was no coverup -- >> that's what -- >> these are the people -- >> when will you take no for an answer? >> jay christian adams is a former doj attorney and legal editor for pj media.

chris, good to see you. nancy pelosi, despite casting as purgss on this committee. >> the five people they appointed today to serve on the committee shows they aren't interested in getting to the truth about why four americans died. nancy pelosi seems to be more interested in generating political theater. look at elijah cummings, the ranking member. this is a man who obama's critics for being racist. this is the same elijah cummings who ran for her administration during the irs scandal, why the irs was abusing conservatives but worse than that, megyn. he colluded with the irs to attack conservatives and have conservatives face greater scrutiny. this is a fan we can't expect getting the truth to be his priority or adam shift, a representative from california

called the select committee a farce. nancy pelosi is not interested in an impartial proceeding but wants to run for the white house. >> how does that pair up for the republicans? they have trey gouty who is not exactly, let's say he's been critical of the administration when it comes to benghazi. >> look at the rest of the members who and who isn't on the committ committee. you have democrats who are vocal and on the other side where is frank wolf from virginia? he came up with the idea. john culverson from texas, some of the strongest, most vocal voices on benghazi were not named. i'm not sure why but it speaks to an imbalance where are the seven democrats who voted for the committee, none of them have been named. >> their goal there, their goal there is to go and sort of cast as spirgss on the investigation,

they are not open minded, they are going to go in there and try to tow the line for administration? >> that's what the modern democrat party does is question the credibility of even having voices of defense. how dare you question anything the president did or did not do? >> let me ask you this, even if that is true and we perceive with this select committee, won't the media at least have to pay more attention? if you had a republican side show with seven gopers talking about benghazi, it would be dismissed. you heard about republicans or if the media covered it, just fox, just you and your fox colleagues. won't the main stream media have to pay more attention? >> they will pair it anything elijah cummings and adam shift say. they were going to boycott the committee. that's the modern version of democrats in congress is not showing up to work on important

issues. the fact they are going to be there is a marginal gain but it will be turned into political theater, not a search for the truth. >> jay christian adams, good to see you. >> you, too, megyn. >> in a "kelly file" exclusive, we're tracking a new effort to get more information on the irs' targeting of conservative groups. in unique twist, one political group targeted is now offering up to $1 million for anyone who provides information leading to the conviction of anyone involved in this scandal. kathryn is one of the alleged victims of the irs targeting, the founder of true the vote and joined this campaign. kathryn, good to see you. it's interesting to hear jay christian adams talk about elijah cummings and his role on the committee because he was the one really pushing the irs to look into your group and so let

me start with that. your thoughts on him being one of the chief investigators on a different scandal. benghazi. >> i think it's outrageous. elijah cummings against us, deaf mission per se against us and the thought he is sitting on that committee to preside over what is certainly one of the greatest scandals this administration has been involved in is disgusting. >> back to the irs you shall shy, much closer to your heart for many reasons. it's a bounty, reward, what does somebody have to do to get it? >> yes, the irs bounty is just that. it is the people of bounty for the truth. put together by a group called the voters trust. it is the opportunity for citizens to come forward and speak to the truth. if they have information that will reveal what is really

happening inside of the halls of the irs, this is a way to insennize that truth to come forward, frankly, for more citizens to tell the stories that i hear all too often, people all across this country being targeted by this government. this is a way to empower the american people. >> so basically, if somebody knows, let's say, what lois lerner knows who asserted her fifth amountment privilege, if somebody knows what she knows but remained silent, you're trying to encourage someone like that to tell your group speak publicly and if it leads to the arrest of somebody responsible for this whole scheme, then you're going to pay the reward? >> that's exactly right. something has to give. we see the misdemeanors, this will not get to the bottom of this. there will be more bobbing and waving. the american people need to know the truth, and this is one way

to get at it, we think. >> do you think that will bring out further victims, as well? the irs scandal broke more than a year ago. it feels flushed out in terms of who was targeted and not. why do you need more victims to come forward and self-identify? >> the big question on the table now is where the is the truth? who knew what when? that answer is still lurking out there somewhere but yes, without question, one of the goals of the voters trust the irs bounty project is to encourage people to come forward and tell more about what is happening, stories i hear all the time and not just the irs, osha, burro of alcohol tobacco and firearms, burro of land management, eps targeting citizens, small businesses. this is happening on a level that i think would stun the average american citizen but yet, there is not really a repost tory, there is not a hub that's about collecting stories.

that's what the bounty and voter trust is going to do. >> so interesting because we started with the va scandal and talked about danger post terribly in big government trying to run big systems and you-all along have been an example of some other potential dangers of big government gone wrong on the citizenry. good to see you. >> thanks so much. >> well, some folks are screaming for pat sejack to be fired after he had fun with the issue of global warming. better not touch that. that's just ahead. >> plus the 9/11 museum opens the doors to the public for the first time today and up next, we'll look at the fallout tonight from the controversial film about the rise of al qaeda. >> on that day 9/11, i a new jersey state trooper. they want the word jihad and radical islam out of there. i think that's totally wrong. my name is jenny, and

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today was opening day for the 9/11 memorial museum y, the first chance for many the public to walk through including controversies including the seven-minute film and some want them to edit the movie to remove words like jihad and islamist. joining me now, the national spokesperson for muslim community usa and author of dem demystifying, islam and dr. judy zasser and author of "battle for the soul of islam, american muslim patriot fight to save his faith." let me start with you, you are somebody whose views care and others have credit sized and

don't like your points of view on these matters and they are one of the groups that is objecting to this film. it's not opened to much fanfare. we went out and spoke to people and nobody is complaining about the word jihad and islamist and people like harris will tell us it's offensive. your position on why its not. >> it's not offensive megyn, because, come on, now, we're 13 years post 9/11 and you see what happened in egypt with the islamist taking over and iran with the islamist subject and boca haram and al qaeda and them woke up the threat to al qaeda and the bigger threat and groups like care about to keep america in the dark and keep muslims from fighting this war within the house of islam, claim that they are victims and their operation is to be up front for

the islamist movement and the organization of corporation that wants to suffocate muslims from having this debate within the house of islam and the museum was basically the documentary is telling the fact as it is. >> harris, you know, 3,000 americans were killed on 9/11. many had remains still there at ground zero steps away from where this movie plays. can you understand how their survivors, their relatives, their loved ones and many other americans don't give two figs whether some communities object to the term jihad or islamist being used in this film? >> absolutely. and certainly, there are greater matters at play for the muslim world that other things are happening within the house of islam, certainly. but to answer your specific question, the absence of an initial response from museum goers, does not invalidate

muslim and non-muslim alike or invalidate the need to be careful with what we do or say. >> why should -- >> let me be perfectly clear. >> would should the objection of a few for who the museum yum sta -- and nbc news -- >> megyn, let me be clear, the muslim community unlike other groups is not calling for the ban, the overt censorship or removal of words from this film. we respond, which is why i'm here. >> good for you. >> what we're -- all we're saying is to be fair and more importantly fact weual in reporg world events. be fair in stating they are extremists, terrorists, gorilla who use islam or religious justifications to justify what is a clearly political agenda. >> go ahead.

>> harris, i'm sorry, as well-intended as you are and the respect i have for you, it prevents the cancer from within is almost like an alcohol i can that doesn't want to deal with problems. you want to say joe jihad, we have to address it and by prohibiting the language, you're prohibiting from engaging moms and clerics on the theology they are exploiting and obstructing the reforms and especially, i would say, harris, the movement persecuted by sharia law -- >> my -- >> comes from islam. >> like you know my friend that even fox news, i'm not saying not to use this word. we're always -- >> you're not, but many are. >> we want to exude what jihad is and we condemn probably more

vocal than any other muslim group in the world these acts by these bar barrens. i have chapter by chapter in my book and prove without -- >> the museum is standing behind the film, has not agreed to modify it or put up a disclaimer. for now it appears the battle is settled in the museum's favor. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> send me a tweet at megyn kelly and go to our facebook page, face book.com/the "kelly file." pat is in a bunch of trouble. why would anyone want pat fired? vanna doesn't. that's next.

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it's america's games. >> wheel of fortune. >> some people now want pat j sajak fired after he dared to have some fun with the issue of global warming. america's letter king. what? trace gallagher, what? >> pat sajak has 54,000 followers. he is getting a lot of attention for this tweet here. i know believe global warming alarmists are unpatriotic. a few of his followers liked it. many have retweeted it and many

have slammed it. pat needs to buy some letters. i suggest ph and d in climate science. alec baldwin said, lets officially name science denial sajak syndrome. >> nobody is looking for an opinion from pat sajak. they want him to read the stupid clues. he has political thoughts. he's going to run himself right into the trouble and hopefully he'll run himself out of a job. >> pat sajak was saying he was playing around. just mocking the name calling that's aimed at global warming skeptics with or without the scientific community. sometimes it is fun to poke a stick in a hornet's nest just to hear the buzzing. he has long acknowledged he's a climate change skeptic and he's

no stranger to twitter controversy once coming out as heterosexual, angering some in the gay community. pat's job i think is fairly secure. >> omg, pat. lol. thank you. it's a letter joke. so social media getting pat sajak in trouble. tell me what you think. plus, "hannity" is coming up at the top of the hour.

tune in tomorrow night. care strikes again. she joins us live to respond. set your dvr now. tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m. see you then. and this is a fox news alert. today for the very first time in nearly two years the commander in chief found time in his busy schedule to sit down with the secretary of veterans affairs. that's where we begin on this very busy news night tonight on "hannity." >> i said we would systematically work to fix these problems and we have been working really hard to address them. >> it turns out that that's not the first time president obama vowed to solve the