god bless you, larry. thanks for being part of our show to honor our nation's veterans and those who paid the ultimate sacrifice. great to see you. >> god bless. great to see you always. >> all right, everybody. that's going to do it for us. make it a great day. . hello, i'm ankkelly wright. . democrats joining the call for eric shinseki to step down as we learn the white house may have known about problems at the agency for years. we'll have the latest. >> fallen service members from iraq and afghanistan being honored in d.c. today. we are there live. >> and pope francis calls for religious freedom on the first stop of his historic mid east tour. we'll talk about the pontiff's visit to the holy land. fox's alert, seven people

now confirmed dead, including the gunman, after a series of drive-by shootings around santa barbara, california. witnesses say the suspect was driving a black bmw. he eventually crashing it after exchanging fire with police. meantime, investigators say they have reason to believe this all may have been premeditated. for more on all this, we now go to bryan llenas, live in our new york city news room with more. >> reporter: the santa barbara county police say the shooting started around 9:30 p.m. last night on the university of california santa barbara campus. police say a man in a black bmw began shooting a semi automatic handgun from his car, killing six people, wounding seven others. the gunman is also dead, though police do not know if he killed himself or if he died from police gunfire. the suspect got into two gun battles with deputies on friday night, and east la ves vista before crashing his bmw into a parked car.

there are nine different crime scenes in the area, an area known for parties, including an annual spring bash. and fox news can confirm, several people were killed at a sorority house. another man shot and killed at a sandwich shop. >> we have another seven who are in the hospital. of the seven in the hospital, it's a combination of people who were suffering from gunshot wounds and others who received some traumatic injuries that were apparently either secondary to what happened or may have been struck by a vehicle. >> at least one victim has undergone surgery for a life threatening injury. meanwhile, a shocked community coming to grips with what they witnessed last night. >> it was a bmw rolling by. i saw there were two people inside. and one of them was shooting innocent people. i think one girl was shot dead. the other girl is -- was shot,

as well, but i think she's in the hospital. first time i saw it, i just ran away for my life. >> i was like, hey, like, what up? and i turned around and i started walking the other way. and then, like, he shot. >> meanwhile, police say they have written and video evidence suggesting the shooting was premeditated mass murder. they are investigating a disturbing youtube video, which appears to be connected to the attack. in the posted video, a young man is seen describing plans to shoot women. the santa barbara police say the shooting started around 9:30, like we said. seven dead, seven wounded and is police are continuing to investigate, especially looking at that youtube video. >> thank you for that update. obviously we'll be following details as they become more pertinent and available to us. brian yen he is.

a growing number of democrats ramping up their calls for v.a. secretary, eric shinseki, to step down. this as we learn the white house was aware of the problem that the agency, as early as 2008. molly henneberg is live in washington to pick up the rest of the story. hi, molly. >> reporter: julie, three new democrats have come forward in the past couple days to break with the president and urge him to oust v.a. secretary eric shinseki. they're also all three in tough election races this year, and likely are trying to put some distance between themselves and president obama. west virginia democratic congressman, nick rahall, the last in the delegation, is one of them, and allison lundgren grimes, and michelle nun, trying to win an open senate seat for democrats in georgia. all want shinseki to resign. nun said in a statement

yesterday, quote, it is becoming increasingly clear we need new leadership for focus and accountability at the v.a. to fix what is wrong with the agency. i hope that general shinseki will step aside. so far, the president is standing by secretary shinseki, as are top army officials who served in the obama administration. >> i believe that rick shinseki, who i have known for years, as a man of great integrity and great commitment to the men and women he serves is the right guy to get to the bottom of it, and to hold those people accountable. >> reporter: general casey also served in the bush administration, as well. in his weekly radio address, this one focusing on memorial day, president obama did not mention shinseki or the v.a. scandal, but spoke about veterans in general. >> we have to work even harder as a nation to make sure all our veterans get the benefits and opportunities that they have earned. they have done their duty, and they ask nothing more than this

country does ours. now and for decades to come. >> secretary shinseki has said he's staying on the job and will act if any of the allegations at the v.a.s around the country are, quote, substantiated. julie? >> molly henneberg in washington, thank you so much. kelly. remembrances already under way this memorial day weekend in washington, d.c. the names of the nearly 7,000 service members who have died while serving our country. since the 9/11 terror attacks being read aloud. >> benjamin allen johnson. vincent e. parker. >> the names read in the order their lives were lost. elizabeth prann is live on the national mal with more details. >> reporter: nice to see you. this is the first time anything like this has taken place since

9/11. about 450 americans from across the nation are joining together to read the names of 7,000 fallen service men and women who lost their lives in the line of duty in iraq and afghanistan after 9/11. the ceremony, which will take the entire day to complete, is an emotional one for so many who are visiting. >> since my son was the first killed in action in a helicopter crash when we went into kandahar, it's very poignant for me to be here, to be chosen as speaker for the program and to read the first set of names. >> i lived in the western part of new york state. and came down not only to visit the wall and do memorial day here in washington, but to participate in reading of the names. >> reporter: speakers included retired four-star general and former cia director, david petraeus, among many others. chuck hagel noted the symbolism of holding the events on the grounds. vietnam memorial, linking the

sacrifices and heroism of those who fought in generations past. hagel also took the time to remark about how we treat our veterans after they come home from war. >> it is part of the compact that we make with those who step forward to safeguard our freedom. caring for these returning veterans, those who bear the visible and the invisible scars and wounds of war is a solemn responsibility for america. >> reporter: hagel went on to say, it's civilians who are indebted to the military, men and women who pay the ultimate sacrifice on our behalf almost every day. kelly, back to you. >> elizabeth, thank you for the report from the national mall. >> reporter: thanks. new bloodshed in northern my jeria, where police say the terror group, boko haram, has massacred three more villages, burning homes to the ground and killing 28 people. one of those attacks taking place near the country's eastern border, where just last month, the group abducted nearly 300

school girls. around 80 u.s. troops have now arrived in the region in hopes of bringing the girls back home. officials say a wildfire burning near sedona, arizona, could nearly triple in size. firefighting crews are letting the so-called slide fire burn through the flatter portions of scenic oak creek canyon as they focus on saving nearly 300 structures and protecting other nearby communities in alaska. officials say the funny river fire near the keni national wildfire refuge is 20% contained, torching more than 78,000 acres so far. all eyes on ukraine this weekend, as millions head to the polls for tomorrow's critical presidential election. and how the vote there could impact growing tensions between russia and the west. and the leader of the boy scouts of america speaking out, where he says he stands on the group's controversial policy against gay scout masters.

plus, trying to cover up patient wait times. house speaker john boehner says he has a solution to the problem. just privatize the v.a. but how would that even work? a fair and balanced debate on that, coming up next. this isn't about one person. this isn't about the secretary. it's about the entire system underneath. i don't want people to get confused about what the shiny ball is here. the shiny ball is a systemic failure of this agency. when it comes to good nutrition...i'm no expert.

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time for a quick check of the headlines. the new president of the boy scouts of america speaking out about allowing openly gay scout masters. the secretary of defense who oversaw the end of the don't ask don't tell policy said he would support gay scout masters, but he's not sure the organization is ready to make that step. a woman in michigan celebrating her 115th birthday. that's just one year shy of the

world's oldest living person. a japanese man who is 116. so what's kept her going for so long? she says it's her faith. happy birthday. a pivotal weekend for the crisis in ukraine. people there are making final preparations for tomorrow's presidential election. a ballot that russia president vladimir putin now says his country will respect. but that pledge apparently doing nothing to cool off tensions in the region. with pro-russian separatists to still vowing to derail the vote. greg palkot is streaming live. hi, greg. >> reporter: hi, julie, it is very tense in advance of tomorrow's presidential election. people here in this region, at least, don't know what is going to be coming next. they fear for the worst. the latest word we are getting from the central government in ukraine in kiev is due to that threat of pro russia separatists

staging a tax against polling stationses, election workers, the public, they can only guarantee 9 out of 34 polling districts in the entire eastern ukraine region will have police protection. half the election commissions have been shut down by militant thugs. we saw another example of that today, a school here in the city of donetsk going to be used, had their windows smashed. staffers threatened. we saw, we witnessed the same kind of behavior earlier in the week at an election commission office, armed militants burst in, took away documents and supplies. all of this is set against all that violence we have been following the last several weeks, too. again, pitting these pro russian militants against ukraine military, national guard and militia. kiev said it will halt its offensive activities against them for election day. there is no sign the rebels will do that themselves. we have been talking to people here, julie, and they tell us they would like to vote.

they can't vote. they feel they can't vote. the election will be going on throughout the rest of the country, however, in kiev. hopes that will some day validate the results for this fledgling new democracy here. one late word we're getting, julie, quite amazing. we're hearing donetsk is one of the biggest cities in this entire region. 1 million people. indications there might not be any voting possible here in the city tomorrow. thanks to those militant thugs. we'll be tracking it. back to you. >> greg palkot, thank you so much. all right. back to the v.a. scandal now. house speaker, john boehner, says he may have a solution. privatize the department of veterans' affairs. speaker boehner also telling the dayton daily news more needs to be done to figure out why the system is such a mess. and joining us to talk about all of this is brad blakeman, former deputy assistant to president george w. bush and mr. green,

former president of the women's media center contributor. this is quite a mess, no matter how we look at it. and a lot of people are calling for the dismissal or resignation of shinseki, the v.a. secretary, but now before we get to that, let's talk about this new thing with john boehner calling for privatizing. brad, what do you think about that? is this the right thing to do? >> yeah, i think it's the right thing to do. it puts everything on the table. and what the speaker is saying is, we're going to take a fresh look at the approach to how we're providing for our veterans. if the government is not doing a good job, maybe we've got to make it more like medicare and privatize it, and let people go to local hospitals and see their local physicians. if the government can't do the work, then perhaps the private sector is the way to go. i think everything should be on the table. but the immediacy is to fix that which is broken now, to make sure our vets are getting the quality care they deserve. >> let's keep the main thing -- the main thing, a lot of people are saying right now. and jermu, while the speaker is pushing for privatization or introducing it, it's nothing new to him. he has talked about this before and actually abandoned idea,

because people weren't in support of it. but now it seems to be coming around full circle, because of 40 deaths within the veterans administration's hospitals. what do you say about this? >> well, i don't think that our veterans who deserve the best care that we have to offer as a country need to have any sort of rush to judgment or rush to switching how they receive their medical care. the reason this is a new idea and the reason it was shot down in the past is because veterans have said, and veterans' organizations and many republicans, many conservatives, have also supported the idea that the veterans -- the v.a. provides the highest quality care out there when it comes to medical research, when it comes to health care technology, when comes to specialized services. this recent crises has to be dealt with. people need to be published and

prosecuted. this is a problem 50 years in the making and we have to address this not in the way that republicans have done so with benghazi and all of these fake scandals. we have to take this very seriously, very deliberatively and not make any quick decisions that are going to undermine a program that is overwhelmingly supported by our nation's veterans. >> some would argue with you about fake scandals, saying that benghazi really is a scandal and some other things. let's stick on the subject right now and that is the v.a. that is a known scandal. and we have seen it. we have seen the devastation. >> it is, kelly. and kelly, can you imagine if all of the veterans, the problems that come up when they don't have access to the care they're looking for? who do they go to? they go to their members of congress. and you know, shame on our members of congress who have been too busy, too distracted with other issues. they should have been paying attention to how do we deal with the lack of access that our veterans are getting.

it's not about -- it's not about the care. it's lack of access. they shouldn't be having to wait in line. and if our congressmen and women weren't so busy paying attention and bringing up things that are absolutely not relevant to why they are elected to represent us, maybe we could have gotten to this quicker and come to solutions. when it comes to privatizing, we should have every option on the table. we should make it easier for when the line is too long, we bring in private doctors. there are ways in which we can bring in the private -- >> if i hear you correctly -- >> but not privatize it together. >> if i hear you correctly, you and brad agree on the privatizing aspect. you think that john boehner is right to push forward that way. but let me ask you something. do you think it's right -- >> no, no, no. i don't agree. >> okay. do you think it's right that members of congress would be calling for shinseki to resign at this point? can one man stop the whole thing, brad? >> yes, he could. if he was on top of his game and understood exactly the systemic

problems that he is charged to oversee and to correct. let me say this. there's enough blame, jehmu, to go around. but the commander in chief is the one who let his troops down. because he was warned in the transition about the systemic failures within the v.a. the president talked about it most recently in his fifth state of the union. and the president was asleep at the switch and so was the person he put in charge. now having said that, it's not enough to cast a scapegoat out in the wilderness. we've got to make sure that the problem is fixed and fixed now. if we got rid of the v.a. secretary, it would take months as the speaker properly pointed out, to get somebody new confirmed and up to speed and on the job. we need to solve this problem today. we have to get congress and the administration and the v.a. working together to solve this problem. and then step back and see if this systemic problems are fixed under government control or whether we should try something new. but we're all in this together, and pointing the finger at one or the other is not going to

soflt problem. >> and jehmu, last word, pointing fingers about who is to blame doesn't correct the problem right now. >> absolutely. you can't point fingers at anyone for a problem that's been in the making for the last 50 years. i think we have to take a real hard look at the work that has been done since secretary shinseki came in. he has actually reduced the backlog by 50%. perhaps he was too ambitious in trying to move from paper records to electronic records so quickly. perhaps we were too ambitious in really putting pressure on the administrators to get rid of the backlog. and so that's why you have these bad apples breaking the law, committing fraud, because they could not speak up and say we cannot act as fast as the administration is asking us to. but to fire this man who is a wounded veteran himself and who has improved the system is

another example of really bad decisionmaking that some of our elected officials are so quick to jump to. >> jehmu, we thank you for your comments, as well. gentlemen mu greene and brad blakeman, a fiery topic, and a lot of people want something done now. thank you for joining us. >> thanks. this is a fox news alert. and sad news coming out of brussels in belgium. apparently there has been a deadly shooting at a jewish museum there. we're told that at least three people have been killed. one person seriously injured. the nature and the motive at this point unknown. the belgian foreign minister, who said -- talking about the vicinity and the scene quotes it as being a terrible situation that has left him shocked. at least two of the three dead were lying at the entry of the museum, located in a touristy area. no details right there immediately available.

police have closed the area off to the museum. there a local report saying somebody with a backpack had opened fire and then fled. some people speculating, obviously, this taking place in a jewish museum whether this was an anti-semitic act, also part of the investigation, whether this has hate-related. nonetheless, a sad and tragic end to this shooting here. three people have been killed, one seriously injured. and ambulances are apparently outside the scene now, trying to help those who potentially also suffered injuries. so we'll stay on top of this story breaking out of brussels. >> indeed we will. coming up, finding your purpose in life. coming in beyond the dream, one of the world's most respected spiritual leaders shares his wisdom on how we can get more out of every day and be our best selves. and a u.s. marine will spend memorial day in a mexican jail after accidentally bringing weapons over the border. so is our government doing all it can to bring him home?

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the fate of a jailed u.s. marine now in the hands of a mexican judge. sergeant andrew tomarisi has been sitting in a mexican jail since march 31st when mexican authorities discovered three weapons in his truck when he said he accidentally crossed the border. his first court date is set for this wednesday. is there anything more the u.s. government can or should be doing at this point to help him out? get him back in the united states? chuck nash is a retired navy captain and fox news military analyst. the fact that this guy has been in jail for two months over such a simple mistake obviously shows

that the mexican government is not looking to do the united states any favors. so the united states is obviously has to pull some serious strings here. are we doing what needs to be done? >> well, i hope that we are, julie. because this is something that the state department should be intimately involved with, as well as attorney general holder could be involved. because it's his counterpart, the attorney general down in mexico -- >> right. >> who could release sergeant tomarisi on his order, could get him out, by just using prosecutorial discretion and choosing not to prosecute the case. which probably is how this should have been handled originally, but now that it's in the court system, i think everybody is just trying to get this done quickly, and it's too late to do it quietly. just get this guy out. >> we release criminal mexicans by tens of thousands while they illegally cross our borders every day. washington is trying to figure out how to allow illegals to

stay here by doing what some called granting amnesty. and one single american crosses mexico's border illegally and you mean to tell me we can't do anything about it? >> it really does call into question what we can do anymore, especially, you know, you have an administration who came in with the motto, yes, we can. well now it looks like it's -- >> no, we can't. >> and it's just too hard. so it's very frustrating, and i think this is going to bring into focus for a lot of people who may have just been on the sidelines on this whole immigration issue, i think it's going to cause people to take a look at this and maybe get a little more involved. >> i mean, sergeant tom areesy, by the way, suffers from severe combat related ptsd. that alone is a humanitarian issue. can he be released on that? >> you know, julie, i hope that's what happens when the judge hears this case. it's going to be his first case, as you said, wednesday.

there will be subsequent court appearances, and then at some point the judge is going to make his ruling. and he could, for humanitarian purposes, decide to find him -- dismiss the charges and release him back into the u.s. >> we should also remind those at home that the way the mexican courtroom works is much different than ours. this is all up to a judge. there is no jury. this judge will hopefully see what was a very simple mistake. it's obvious. and i want to show everyone the images of this u-turn sign, that any one of us could have easily missed. the sergeant made a simple mistake by not noticing a barely noticeable u-turn sign. that's the one there on the left. because this is the last exit before you enter into mexico. and they were currently doing some construction there. and so that sign that appears to be no more than two feet tall sitting on the ground. there are several lanes wide

this highway, so if you're in one of the far right lanes or left lanes, this is smack dab in the middle, you're not going to see it. the sign on the right there i was just showing is the new sign they have since put up since obviously they have gotten so much negative attention, especially here in the united states. it sounds like he was lured into some kind of trap. >> well, you know, designage is a problem, especially when you've got construction going on. and i don't think there's any one of us, you know, throughout the viewership that hasn't made a wrong turn, missed an exit or done something like that while driving a car. you can be distracted. so i think we all sympathize with this gent. and we just wish the best for him and want him back. >> and he's a member of the military. shouldn't he be treated a little differently? >> well, you know, we've got pretty good military to military relationships with the mexicans. and i'm sure there are people who are making calls on his behalf. but at this point, it is truly up to the mexican legal system

to deal with this, because he did commit a crime, i.e., he did have weapons that he was not supposed to have in mexico. so he is in the legal system now. >> makes no sense. chuck nash, thank you so much. we appreciate you coming on. >> you bet. in today's "beyond the dream," we hear from one of the world's most renown pastors and motivato motivators, bishop t.d. jake's. no matter how bad the economy is, whether you're working or employed, everyone is in search of significance. all of us yearn to live a life that counts. jake's believes that achieving our dream doesn't rely on intellect alone, but as he states in his latest book, "success also requires instinct: the power to release your inborn drive." >> there are people in their 40s and 50s and 60s still trying to figure out, aside from paying the rent and making money and

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intellect. during a safari in search of elephants in the jungle of south africa, jakes discovered another ingredient of success. as he watched the actions of a zooologist with an encyclopedia and a guide with a rifle. >> the zooologist can explain it, but he can't find it. he can explain the elephant, but he couldn't find it. the zulu who had said nothing the whole trip suddenly stands up and he says, the elephant is over there. the summarization of what i walked away from with was intellect can explain it, but instinct can find it. if instinct -- if information loads the gun, instinct pulls the trigger. >> how do people find their instinct? >> as much as i respect data and information, because i for years have taught you can't make good decisions with poor information.

but i do not want to defy intellect to the point we denigrate the fact that god created us with instincts through which we are able to find that place we are most suited and avoid the temptation to imitate people we admire. when we can originate what we were created to be. >> jakes practices what he preaches. using intellect with instinct continues to pave the way for him to be the pastor of potters house, a mega church of 30,000 people in dallas. he also produces family-oriented films for sony pictures. his current hit, "heaven is for real." his media company working on new projects for television. he owns a music publishing company and runs a real estate development corporation. not bad for a man who grew up poor in west virginia. >> bishop t.d. jakes! >> he says his success is due to his faith in god, the wisdom of good parents, intellect, and instinct. >> one of the things i've tried not to do throughout my life was

to underestimate the challenges that were before me. >> bishop t.d. jakes, living beyond the dream. it's a good thing, we get to learn a lot from him. i really like what he was talking about, intellect and instinct. instinct pulls the trigger and how many times have we missed opportunities because we didn't act on instinct. >> it's true. and usually your first instinct is typically right. >> natural ability. >> go by your gut. >> yeah. remember that controversial beef product known as pink slime? do you remember that? >> i do. >> all right. it might be back on your table. >> come on. >> yep. and hitting the supermarket shelves near you, in fact. what exactly is pink slime? and should you be worried about serving it up at your barbecue? we are joined live with all of the answers. and pope francis touring the holy land. a visit to where jesus was baptized. but can the pontiff avoid

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of a muslim eimam and another a jewish rabbi, saying these are my friends, i've lived and worked with them. we can do it. and what's fascinating about this trip, you never know what pope francis is going to say. why is he so famous, so loved? because he's gone off-script. he's gone off-script and said things that are shocking on the one hand, but profound on the other. but yet very delicate. because you go off-script a little bit in the middle east, and the ramifications can be huge. so it's going to be a big test, as well, for his own diplomacy and the instinct you were talking about with bishop jake earlier. >> exactly, the instinct. and the pope, while he's talking to these different faith, still keeps it, if you pardon the vernacular, jesus style. >> oh, absolutely. he's not suggesting that everybody get down to the lowest

denominator and hide your beliefs. he's talking about jesus. he believes in jesus. he's given his life to the church because of jesus, but he's doing it with respect for those who do not believe. and he's going in -- he's having 30 different events and 65 hours, a grueling schedule. and he's touching all the real hot-button issues. he's going to the holocaust museum in israel. he's going to the western wall. he's also going to what he's calling the palestinian state. they're saying that officially. it's not an easy road to follow, but i think he's -- he's saying, this is a priority. another huge thing he's doing, kelly, is he's meeting with the -- with the patriarch of bartholomew, and saying it's a scandal that we christians are not united. the fact that here we have 300 million, that's the number that the orthodox are giving, of orthodox christians who are not united with rome, because of the schism of 1054. that's a scandal. what are we doing separated?

and he's going and meeting and praying with the patriarch right there at the place of the resurrection of jesus. he's saying, if we're going to get united, we better do it around jesus. >> what we're saying then is an interfaith dialogue, as well as interfaith approach to diplomacy, if you will, bringing everyone together and having that common thread of faith, hope and love being applied. >> i think you're right, kelly. and we'll see if he says anything truly controversial. we know he's not afraid of doing that. if he thinks it's the right thing. i'm praying that his intellect and also his instinct be inspired by the holy spirit and that unity and peace cannot only survive, but flourish among human beings who have the same exact human nature, all of us. >> father jonathan morris, appreciate your comments. have a great day. >> kelly, thank you. >> all right. still to come on america's news headquarters, the infamous beef byproduct, pink slime once

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many americans expect to celebrate this memorial day weekend with burgers and barbecu barbecues. if not careful, an uninvited guest could show up. and you might be asking, what's in your beef? remember pink slime? it's a filler for ground beef made from leftover scraps. and now thanks to sky-high beef prices, it is making a comeback. a big comeback. dr. david samati at lenox hill hospital and member of our fox news a-team joins me now. you get pink slime by taking off cut off heat scraps, you heat them, heat off the fatty parts. then burn away the bacteria with

ammonia or acid before grinding up with other hamburger beef. >> doesn't sound so good, right? >> should consumers be worried? >> first of all, look, it's memorial day weekend, a lot of us are going to barbecue. i don't want to spoil it. i think once or twice having ground beef a week is fine. this pink slime is a problem. two years ago, it was a very popular one, it disappeared. because of exactly what you just said. they take basically the beef trimming, they would mix it up with fat and there is also cartilage, some waste, then they try to centrifuge it, get the fat out. we don't know how much of the fat it comes out, how much of it stays. then they use some ammonia or citric acid to get rid of the bacterias, e. coal and salmonella and then use as a filler in our ground beef. and a lot of this, unfortunately, is because of the business behind this. right now a pound of beef costs about $4. >> yeah. >> and that has gone up really

high. so this is a way a business model people are using. and i think we need to have it -- if it's going to come, which i'm against this, but if it's going to come in our food chain system, there has to be a label and people aware of this and not sneak up on you and later on we see the rise of colon cancers and other things that come as a result of this. >> the ingredient's two largest producers are beef products inc and cargo inc. they closed their plants and cut hundreds of jobs, while roduct's quality and pointing out the u.s. department of agriculture deems it safe. that was two years ago. is it safe? >> well, i can't really tell you exactly if it's safe or not. what i can tell you right now is, we don't know the effect of chronic ammonium use and the effect on colon or whether it may cause colon cancer or not. there is no proof for this. right now this is being investigated. and there is also a court hearing about this. which is going to go on. the company, obviously, saying the business is coming back. they're opening up more centers.

there is going to be more of these fillers coming in our food. and fda is not really backing down. they're not really making a big stand about this. >> how are we as consumers to know whether our hamburger meat contains this or not? >> first thing i would tell you is buy your own beef and maybe make your own ground beef so this way you have full control. >> most people buy ground beef and make pattees or buy premade pattees. >> point well taken. i can tell you as a urologist, some of this ammonia can affect your kidney function or your liver. and a lot of things, it's not -- we're not certain, not 100% sure, there is no good study done. and who is monitoring this? who is really supervising how much fat is going into this filler or not? so there is a lot more questions than answers, unfortunately. >> to the point, go to a butcher, find your own ground beef. like you said, buy your own. and if you get it from a butcher, it's being cut right there. >> you know, kelly, some of this is a problem, because by the 100 million pounds of beef over the

next two weeks. just be careful. be cautious. have fun, but don't take a lot of it. >> doctor, have a safe memorial day weekend. and all of you at home, as well. we wish you a safe one. >> safe one. >> i'm julie bandares, see you at 7:00. ♪

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