we have a personalized legal solution that's right for you. with easy step-by-step guidance, we're here to help you turn your dream into a reali. start your business today with legalzoom. hello, everyone. i'm eric bolling along with kimberly guilfoyle, bob beckle, dana perino, and jesse watters. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." we have a very jam packed show for you tonight. the latest on the cia officer outed by the white house. we have ed snowden speaks publicly from russia. some breaking developments in the v.a. scandal. president obama took the opportunity to redefine his foreign policy agenda today at his commencement address at west point. it was a bizarre speech. hear the commander in chief

telling our new military officers who by the way have offered their lives to the service to our country that the military isn't that important. >> america must always lead on the world stage but u.s. military stage cannot be the only or even primary component of our leadership in every instance. just because we have the best hammer does not mean that every problem is a nail. >> he didn't stop there. get this. he thinks american exceptionalism is making sure that terrorists at gitmo get treated properly. >> i believe in american exceptionalism with every fiber of our being. our willingness to affirm through it through our actions. that's why i will continue to

push to close gitmo because american values and legal traditions do not permit the indefinite detention of people beyond our borders. >> aside from that smaterring of clapping. first thoughts on what really needing the military. >> did he have to say it west point? he's the president addressing some of the nation's brightest and bravest who have vowed to serve our country and that was such a confusing, disappointing message. but in my opinion, you know, look, he went there, he gave the speech, but i don't think that was the right kind of speech to give. one, for the country or for the graduates. >> bobby, inconsistent foreign policy to say the least. for me, he's kind of spread it all over the place. >> your interpretation of what he said is typical right wing jargon. he did not say the military was not important. what he did say and reflects weigh the views of american

people who are weary of our going into every war there is to have around the world, that we're going to have to pull back and not make the united states the only sole policeman of the world. >> he has more guts than you do. >> i will tell you every one of those kids, those graduating officers has more guts than me but i'm not going to say that president standing there has more guts than me. there's no way you can say that. these kids have offered their lives in the service of their country, he tells me we may not going into that direction. >>s that's not what he said. >> that's kind of what he's alluding to. >> are you prepared to send american military forces to every -- >> no. >> nobody is saying that. >> that's such a false argument. if you are not prepared, if you are not all pull out of every single conflict, then you are all for war in every single conflict. that's not the case. >> dana.

>> i think on the applause part in that sound bite, it does sound very bad to our ear and i think i wouldn't have wanted that to happen. usually at a speech like that, the cadets are told not to interrupt the speed with any applause and you typically don't hear any. it's unfortunate that that happened to the president because i think it sounds worse. i think it's an accurate representation of what a lot of people felt about the speech, reading across the board, people are disappointed about the speech because it was timid, confusing. never forget has turned into never mind and yesterday when the president announced the afghanistan pull-out in 2015, i followed this stuff fairly closely. i thought he had already announced that three times already. i didn't understand how that was new. i also don't like the loose language. there was interventionalist, i prefer a presidential speech, if

it's going to redefine foreign policy or grab my attention or lead me somewhere, for it to be a lot more clear what he was trying to attempt. he has a line in here that says we must not create more enemies than we take off the battlefield. i guess i could kind of think about how he might interpret that but to me it goes back to this ideological war. >> we weren't the antagonists. >> we were the victims of it and you have to choose whether or not you are going to fight it first. there are lots of ways to do that. not just sending in troops. >> jesse, stay on this topic. 1,064 graduates there. is that the place to be redwrieng defining your foreign policy? >> i don't think it was well received by the smaterring of applaud. i think he was forced into making the speech. he never wants to talk about

afghanistan. it was incredibly ego advertise at this kal speech. it was all about him. when you have to explain that you actually do believe in american exceptionalism, you probably don't that much. he talk a lot about bush. basically, he said the previous administration was naive, rushed to war, no coalition. i'm tired of that. okay. it's ridiculous he's still talking about it. this is what else he said. ukraine and iran was a success. he painted those as success stories. he compared himself to dwight eisenhower. he talked about creating partnerships of allies as a corner stone of his foreign policy. he wants u.n. peacekeepers. he bashed republicans for climate change denial. is that the place to do that? >> that sounds like a very immature speech when you tick off all the elements right there. you think about this is a president who is coming off

sounding kind of narcissistic. what are people saying, thinking about the united states of america and the things that he's listing as accomplishments, quite frankly, i think you are puffing because they are not. you know something, we have been in afghanistan now for over 11 years. how much longer are we going to have to paint this issue? we should have been out of there a long time. we've been in iraq, the war in iraq supposedly to make it -- >> no, it's fallen apart because of obama's actions. >> that is ridiculous. >> when president obama took over, how many boots on the ground did we have? >> he actually made it higher. >> do you know how many casualties are attributed under president obama's watch in afghanistan? about 75% of all the casualties in the war. >> why is that a surprise? >> but you are pinning this war

on a prior administration. >> i'm not pinning it on the prior administration. i said we shouldn't have gone into afghanistan to begin with because that was where the whole plot was developed. we didn't have to stay there that long. how long -- >> we still have troops in korea. we still have troops in germany. >> by treaty. [ multiple voices speaking ] >> we abide by our treaty. >> how disrespectful to the troops that have served and died, we're weary, we're going to pull out. the american people are not quitters. don't disrespect their service, bob. finish the job and do it right. >> guys, do me a favor. we'll continue this exact topic. listen to general michael hayden put things into perspective.

>> let me parse out what the president just said. before i leave office, i'm going to make afghanistan look like iraq. you know, going to zero in iraq, did not lead to a happy outcome and now he's committed to doing the same thing in afghanistan. i think it's fairly dangerous. >> if you paid attention to that sound bite, general hayden is saying we're going to end up with another iraq if we do what president obama is suggesting. >> what was he suggesting that we stay in iraq for 20 more years? >> finish the job. >> finish the job? they finished the job supposedly. we shouldn't have been in there in the first place. now what happens? it's fallen apart? >> it's fallen apart because we don't have soldiers -- [ multiple people speaking ] >> to interrupt flows of to prevent a civil war there. to give confidence to the maliki government. to make sure they don't shoot

each other. so fallujah doesn't go to al qaeda. >> there are generals across the spectrum of news programs today saying that's what's going on in iraq is that al qaeda has reentered iraq. has actually taken over some big cities. >> of course, they will -- >> john mccain said the exact same thing. he's pushing back on president obama's real strong push to get out of afghanistan this quickly. >> so the violence in iraq is back to 2008 levels, so 2008 was following the surge, immediately that's when the levels were starting to come down. that has changed. and now the islamic state of iraq and syria back in control of the major parts of anbar province which is where the big fighting was. in addition to that, in the situation, al qaeda affiliates have spread all over, including to mali, yemen, and above all syria which u.s. intelligence

officials are warning is now more dangerous now than it was. >> this is the problem. i just don't think he understands -- honestly, i really don't think he has a grasp on what it means to have a cohesive, coherent, foreign policy or how to combat the -- we cannot go around to our enemies, let me hug you and let me drone you. it won't hurt that much. >> that's tree son what you just said. >> it actually is accurate. >> the way you treat the president of the united states is abysmal and disgusting. he is the commander in chief. he inherited a war in iraq which made iran the power it is in the middle east. iraq has bred more trouble since it started. >> i'm not saying it's bush's

fault. >> you just did. >> no, i didn't. at the beginning the war in iraq -- >> bob, you and i see eye to eye a lot of things. however, finishing a job we started, there is a lot to be said -- >> how long? >> as long as it takes to make sure al qaeda creeps back in. >> you want to put a military base in the anbar province s is that what you want to do? >> i don't think anybody is suggesting that. >> what are you suggesting? >> the bottom line is the military is the backbone of this country and it's respected world wide. it should be out in front in a show of force. >> the military was behind this thing in iraq before obama was elected president. >> all right. all right. >> and? >> and he stuck with the date. the military themselves came up with. >> bob, you have to be able to pivot on the battlefield as well. it's called grow up.

the v.a. office of inspector general's report found that the phoenix wait time were 155 days versus the 24 that the v.a. officials claim there. eric shinseki says he appreciates the independent observ some people on administrative leave. is that enough? >> no, it's not enough. this is not a complicated situation. i don't know why they need a long investigation. somebody sent this list in. somebody didn't check it thoroughly enough. and in particularly went out with the name of the station chief for the cia. how anybody can let that go through, i don't know. >> we're on the v.a. dana, let's talk about this. tonight the house veterans affairs committee is going to meet and i think they are going to make some recommendations and you expect them to call for shinseki -- >> as the story unfolded, you had an inspector general report come out. today, senator john mccain, his home state is where the ig

report was targeting, senator mccain took an unusual step today and actually called for shinseki himself to step down and that if he's not willing to step down, that the president actually asks for the resignation and make sure that he's no longer there because of the accountability need. in addition to that, there was a request from the -- to the department of justice for there to be a criminal investigation because it does -- there is an accusation that some documents, government documents were altered in order to prevent anyone finding out about this atrocious behavior at the v.a. >> i think the bottom line here, in what the report actually says is that union workers in the v.a. were letting vets die for money. they were doing it for bonuses, bob. >> union workers were letting them die. >> they were hiding -- these guys on a secret waiting list so they would get a bigger bonus. and they died because of it. that's a fact and that's what the --

[ multiple speakers ] >> that's just ridiculous. >> that's a fact. >> if they weren't union members, they won have died. >> no, i'm being an accurate reporter on this. let me finish. shinseki is out by june because obama can't escape. this is a massive scandal. now you have democrats, the first senate democrat came out today, mark udall out of utah said get him out of here. >> you agree, this is an inevitability, the president needs to be strong on this. i think there's criticism that he doesn't take down people that have done a poor job. in this case, a general should know he is in the command. it begins and ends with him. i think that is the honorable thing to do. >> i agree that shinseki should go. i think it's amazing to me that mccain, whose state this was in, who talks to veterans all the time did not know about this, but nonetheless -- >> he also claims that he was lied to because he says he's

asked about these accusations before and that's where the question of the documents being altered is coming from. >> and the idea of suggesting this is union workers is absolutely insane, ridiculous, and disgusting. >> something i brought up last week that 80% of the v.a. is unionized. >> that's disgusting. >> whether or not they were dying because of wait lists -- >> that's what jesse said. [ multiple speakers ] >> firing a union worker is substantially higher than a nonunion worker. >> next, the white house blew the cover of our top spy in afghanistan which could end this person's career and put them in grave danger. not surprisingly, the liberal media loves -- we'll be right back. gy season, will you be a sound sleeper, or... a mouth breather? well, put on a breathe right strip and instantly

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>> oh, bob, bob, can you feel it? another block coming your way. all right. well, the white house blew it over the week by blowing the cover of our top spy -- i'm sorry, bob. it's the news. i have to tell it. the name of the cia station chief in kabul was revealed to reporters traveling with the president on his surprise trip to t to afghanistan. it was an accident, and the media seems to accept that. >> the comparisons to the valerie plame case, in which

karl rove was -- this was a woman, even though her status was supposed to be classified, she was working at a desk in virginia. this is a guy on the front lines in afghanistan. it's a very different matter and i think it's fair to say much more serious. i think the public will recognize that and as i say i think it feeds into this question about whether these are people who can run anything. >> that's a fair question. because that's what's on everybody's mind today is this administration of incompetence and bordering on recklessness to reveal information like that in such a careless fashion that's so incredibly offensive. you were part of the bush administration when the whole -- >> i was a spokesperson for karl rove. i lived the valerie plame case.

there was some things that went through that i didn't even know until his book came out. i understand it was a mistake by the administration and a big one and they already said there's going to be an investigation to prevent it happening in the future. what's interesting to me is look at the hypocrisy of the media. they were nearly frothing at the mouth every day hoping that karl rove would be marched out of the white house. in this situation, they are silent. i hope they don't require young staffers to pay for lawyers so they can go to grand jury. >> it's all about leadership. when you screw up, you mix it. you become accountable. you man up. they did announce today they are going to have an investigation on how this happened. they have announced investigations on the benghazi,

irs, fast and furious. a billion dollars spent on health care.gov. >> once they say there's an investigation, then they say we kpt talk about it anymore until the media loses interest then they don't have to be held accountable. >> exactly. i'm letting bob's heart take a couple of extra beats to recover. >> it's an incredibly sloppy mistake. probably lazy, careless. it seems like they don't care about the safety of their people overseas. i don't know who they put in charge of doing this. if it's a 20-year-old, 30-year-old, they need to be fired. remember what obama as senator said about valerie plame, we have it right here. he called for an immediate investigation, called it a criminal act, jeopardize the safety networks of our intelligence agencies. i don't know if this was

intentional here, this could be a crime according to his standards and there could be an immediate congressional investigation. >> let me say to suggest that the president of the united states does not care about the lives of our agents overseas is also bordering on treason. secondly, it was a massive screw up, you can find out in one hour who is responsible for this and it they should be fired. the difference is, it was a much bigger guy than valerie plame was. >> patrick fitzgerald, the u.s. attorney, new from the beginning it was richard armitage, that did it. he continued to pursue liby and rove and released at the end they had nothing. >> why didn't he say armitage? >> he was into a grant jury investigation to look whether

scooter libby had perjured himself in the law. they spent millions of dollars investigating. >> i couldn't agree with you more. scooter libby did break the law. there's no question about that. >> if they wanted to find out, they could find out in an hour. >> they know now. somebody sent this list to the white house. somebody approved it. >> i'm sure they do know but they knew who screwed up on every one of these scandals. >> they are not going to tell. >> they are not going to do anything about it. >> no one cares, nobody is paying attention to the star trek irs video or benghazi or any of these things, fast and furious. it's like -- >> don't worry because tomorrow, the white house is going to talk about concussions in the nfl and this will be very important for the nation. >> let's also not forget the congress of the united states has held on these investigations over a hundred hearings and they can't find out the answer.

>> they aren't getting any cooperation. >> when all the documents are redacted. >> let's take a break. >> make sure to catch hannity tonight, sean has got an exclusive interview with vice president dick cheney. coming up, nsa leaker, edward snowden resurfaces for an nbc interview. john kerry has some choice words for snowden and you are going to hear them. stay with us. ♪

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russia. john snowden doesn't think he is. secretary of state kerry thinks otherwise. >> the united states decided to entrap me in moscow airport. when people ask why are you in russia, i say please ask the state department. >> for a supposedly smart guy that's a pretty dumb answer. if he wants to come back to the united states, today, we'll have him on a flight today. that's what a approximate patriot would do. a patriot would not runaway and look for refuge in russia or some other country, he's a fugitive from justice which is why he's not being permitted to fly around the world. >> in my opinion in typical millenniumal fashion, he was offended by being called for a low level analyst. >> i worked for the central

intelligence agency under cover overseas and i've worked for the defense intelligence agency as a lecturer at the joint counterintelligence academy where i developed sources and method for keeping our information secure in the most hostile dangerous environments around the world. when they say i don't know what i'm talking about, i would say it's somewhat misleading. >> kimberly, snowden has very high approval ratings in america. his approval ratings are actually higher than president obama. >> really. >> i find him increasingly insufferable. pajama boy. if he were to man up as kerry says, what kind of legal jeopardy is he in. >> he's in jep dardly for sure. i like what secretary of state john kerry said. i think he was very forceful. i think he has the right idea. this is somebody not acting like a patriot, come back to the united states and address the

issues at hand. i mean, this guy obviously has an overinflated sense of himself. he was definitely poked a little in the ribs by being called a low-level analyst and he reminds strongly about the boy -- force to go to the prom with, super geek. >> one of things he says is that he says it's the state department's fault because they revoke his passport. he left the united states, he was going to china and then cuba, that's where you want to go -- >> they probably -- they don't have extradition to the united states. he broke the law for the greater good for the country. i know a lot of people at this table don't agree with me. do we know that nsa was spying on every single american. did we know the nsa was

bypassing the court to go ahead and take the information they didn't have legally on everyone and store it at a facility in utah to be used now, later, 20 years now. so john kerry has a lot of gall say he should man up. give him the maximum if he's convicted, he will get a maximum, so the minute he comes back here, there are people going to be calling for literally his life. they are going to call him a traitor, a spy. >> he's got a 56% approval rating. >> the approval rating doesn't do squat for you in the court. >> i hope he does and sits in his pajamas in the jail cell. >> kind of an aristocratic guy telling him to man up. john kerry was in front of the hearings accusing vietnam soldiers war crimes, he might need to look in the mirror.

i think something huge is coming down the pipeline. this guy is teaming up with greenwald. they have this huge final chapter supposed to release in the coming months. they are going to post individual names that the nsa has spied on. you are going to see lawsuits coming up. >> this interview came right around memorial day where we've been celebrating all of our heroes and then you have this interview on memorial day. i thought that was an interesting decision. i also wonder if you think that the president and the secretary of state because maybe if he did train as a spy, they know his psychological weaknesses, they know in order to get to him they call him a low level analyst. >> he did not work for the cia. he worked for a corporation. he was never put in a hostile environment.

i thought this kid was doing some good. i'm not so sure of him anymore. the suggestion that kerry is closed to a trart traitor, the vietnam war was a disgraceful war. >> there's a lot of vietnam vets upset about that. >> this is a guy that went up the river and he got shot. you are suggesting he's a traitor. >> i'm not questioning his courage. when he went out and accused his own comrades of cutting off fingers -- >> suggesting that and -- jesse, i don't know what you took this morning but it's not very good. >> he ate some wheaties. >> are you jumping off this side of tracks about the nsa at all? >> no. >> there is a fourth amendment, that you have reasonable -- probable cause -- >> i was saying that what he was saying was not accurate. >> and you were in this camp for

many months. >> did i not say -- >> you can learn things. [ multiple speakers ] >> nobody has found illegal activity. >> i still maintain that we have disagreement on that and we're going to talk about it in the break. >> friendly -- >> friendly disagreement. >> academy award winner denzel washington has some advice on working hard and praying hard. you'll hear that when "the five" returns. er, drinking plenty of water, but still not getting relief? try dulcolax laxative tablets. dulcolax is comfort-coated for gentle, over-night relief. dulcolax. predictable over-night relief you can count on.

>> welcome to the first block we're not bashing the president of the united states. denzel washington had some words for young people. >> dreams without goals remain

dreams, just dreams. ultimately fuel disappointments. goals on the road to achievement, cannot be achieved without discipline and consistency. >> washington is one of the hollywood's most devout christians. >> i pray that you all put your shoes way under the bed at night so that you got to get open your knees in the morning. and while you are down there, thank god for grace and mercy and understanding. we all fall short of the glory. we all got plenty. i've been blessed to make hundreds of millions of dollars in my life. i can't take it with me, and neither can you. so it's not how much you have. it's what you do with what you have. share it. that's what counts.

>> that's -- that statement is worth this entire show almost. dana, what do you think about what denzel washington said? >> one of the things that struck me i aspire to do and i don't do, and the idea of setting a goal and actually writing it down and then checking in with yourself to make sure that you've done something. i make lists but they are like to do lists. i should do the goal thing. i think that's important and that you have to be prodded out of bed in the morning. our natural state is to, unlike sheryl sandberg says, lean in rather than lean back, think that's not just in your career but in life. i do think it's interesting that so many rich people, it seems are trying to tell people money doesn't matter. i do like his point about the goals, writing them down. >> you go to church every

morning, i pray every morning, every night. i consider myself a devout christian. i think the message he's giving here is the most important part of what he was talking about. >> i love that part of it too. yes, i go every day to sait. patrick s. even for bob. he made a very good point. when you go to church and you pray, you don't always pray for something. don't pray please god let me get that job. be thankful for some of the thags you do have. also give, he said at the end of that. we've been blessed with a lot. we've all been blessed with a lot. >> i think it's so important -- >> we have a very short period of time. what do you think about -- >> i love that his father was a pentecostal minister. these guys need to work hard and study and hone their craft. i thought it was extremely

refreshing. >> i think great message of prayer and gratitude. don't make this life about yourself. it's about other people. what can you do with the precious amount of time that you have here on this earth to change someone else's life and make a difference? >> bob, will take me to see the play? the play that he's in. >> coming up, actor and comedian bill murray crashes a bachelor party in north carolina and offers some advice for the soon tob groom and his pals.

bob's favorite song. so no bachelor party is complete without some solid advice for the groom and guess who showed up to give it to one lucky guy in charleston, south carolina

over the week. here is actor bill murray. >> bachelor parties are not for the grooms. they are for the others. listen here. i'm going to give you all some advice because it's too late for this one. buy a plane ticket for the two of you to travel all around the world, go to places that are hard to go to and hard to get out of and when you come back -- when you land in jfk and you are still in love with that person, get married at the airport. >> not bad advice. all right. bob. bachelor party, dos and don'ts, what do you got? >> mine was illegal for most of it. it was certain things there that were illegal. i like his advice about traveling around the world. the only thing he missed there was to say that the president of the united states was a communist, a lover of hitler, and a traitor.

>> all right. i'm married almost 17 years now. i never had a bachelor party, we esloped it, if you are thinking about it. -- >> i'll get you a bachelor party. >> i don't think she would let -- you would let me have it if you organized it. >> yeah. i can give you a real good one. >> kimberly. bachelorette parties? >> she's had five of them. >> no, i haven't. but i do like them. i had one amazing one in las vegas. >> did you have male strippers there? >> no. >> what made it amazing? >> i i had a wig on. >> just a wig? >> any way, it was very interesting and thank god it wasn't the age of like i phones. >> you didn't go to hankers -- >> no. i think at a bachelor party, everybody should talk about what they are looking for in a commitment, and sharing.

>> that is the lamest bachelor party. >> what? oh, my god, dane that would send out articles for everyone to read before the bachelorette party about commitment and how to fulfill your lives. >> that's great. >> do call your fiancee during the bachelor party at some point. i think that's very important. i think i forgot and i got in big trouble, and then do not -- do not do anything stupid in front of your brother-in-law, your future brother-in-law. >> big time. >> that's smart. that's solid advice. you are going to get burned. >> and go to bed by 10:00. >> one more thing is up next. [ laughter ]

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all right. it's time for kg. >> i'm very excited today. i woke up. i was in a great mood because our very own greta van susteren is on the forbes 100 most powerful women list and she's been be on it before. she made it last year and she was on the inaugural issue. i'm very proud. of course, she was very graceful. attitude of gratitude.

you can follow her at greta wire and 7:00 p.m. eastern where she's doing great thing for women in journalism here at fox news channel. >> congratulations from all of us, greta. >> speaking about a great woman, dr. maya angelou who was an award winning author, rose up out of poverty in st. louis died yesterday at the age of 86. she will be missed. she gave the original poem at bill clinton's first inaugural and she was a leader for all of us in the civil rights movement. >> five-year-old kid tearing up youtube right now. she issed out that he's -- >> i can't have three girlfriends? >> no. >> why? >> i could have two. i don't want three. they are all pretty. i have to give one up. >> it's rough being five, isn't

it? >> i wish i was four again. >> jees see how did you find that video of him when i was five. >> president obama, he had the worst first pitch thrown in the history of first pitch until last night, fitty cent. dude do me a favor. >> i can do better than that. >> i have done better than that, right bob. >> i love this one. there's a company call target smart communications and they -- if you put your last night, it's call the last name tool, you can compare yourself to other people. perinos, 52% democrats, bolling

62, gil foil, the only people likely to vote republican on our panel are the beckles. >> over my dead, dead, dead. >> you know the drill. special report next. a new inspector general's report says as bad as you thought things were at the veterans hospital in phoenix, they are even worse. this is "special report." good end, welcome to washington, i'm bret baier. we are awaiting an unusual nighttime congressional hearing this evening over the scandal on veterans health care. the timing could not be more appropriate. we're learning just how bad things have become at ground zero for the veterans scandal, the v.a. facility in phoenix. it turns out they were a lot