>> coming up on noon here on the east coast. we will see you in an hour. >> "outnumbered" starts right now. >> this is "outnumbered." here today, harris faulkner, sandra smith, just and powers and one lucky guy, dr. keith ablow. so happy to have a doctor in the house, i love it. >> this is exactly the kind of house i like to be in. a privileged tradition. not a semicircular coach with four incredibly attired, tractive women. >> we will see how well you can take on four women at one time. hope you took your flintstone vitamins. we begin the college community of uc santa barbara trying to

heal. grief counselors on-site days ever young man went on a killing spree reportedly fueled by his anger and hatred toward women after years of loneliness and rejection. police say elliot rodger stabbed three people to death in his apartment before getting into his bmw and shuttin shooting upa peaceful town. wounding more than a dozen others before taking his life in a shootout with police. now stepping into the debate, gloria allred. in an interview, the high-profile lawyer weighing in on what she believes field rogers murder spree. listen to this. >> the piece of mental illness is male chauvinism. it has been demonstrated and said the american psychiatric a administration to be a certifiable mental illness. >> it is a mental condition?

>> yes, and it is dangerous to women's health. i have said that two years. >> we will fax check with you, is this true? >> no. this is no difference then the gun nuts. it is a fractured health care system, they're big enough for a future killer to crawl through routinely. to suggest this is about male chauvinism as an illness. i would suppose gloria allred would say this would be anti-nasa if he killed people saying sh they were aliens. she is laying over her own political agenda. she cannot separate herself from it. >> where is she getting this to say categorically this is a course of mental illness?

>> can you imagine they would by gender save your prejudice against a gender, there is a mental illness. if anything they keep stripping out diagnoses in one way or another prejudice. first of all she is wrong. this is very dangerous. what she is doing is suggesting the people who may harbor ill will may think this fellow somehow align with their perspective, that makes absolutely no sense. he suffered from a mental illness. >> we don't usually have one single diagnosis. overlapping illnesses or disorders. >> she seems like a nice woman, how does a person like that end up going back on tv ever to say

something anybody takes seriously? it is so crazy you think she would shrink out of the limelight. >> and frankly irresponsible. nobody is to blame except the shooter himself in the system who failed him. he detailed how he would play out the mass murder. he wrote this down. the weapons were in his room when the police showed up at his door. the parents made phone calls to the police, the therapist said there is going to be a problem. the ball was dropped. >> stop inserting yourself to get paid. because really and truly this is a very talented attorney, she can take the skills she has and insert herself to uc santa barbara and say something

like this the sheriff deputies. you guys failed. we don't know what part of the system fell through. she can take her skill as an attorney, if her goal is to help, go to. santa barbara, help them out now having to sure up the wart on that system. >> i want to get you in on this. coming from someone in that position, how do you feel? >> two-point something as a mental illness which is not a mental illness, i wish she wouldn't talk about the misogyny. how does that play into it? this guy really hated women. he did that because he wanted to create a torture chamber to torture people. i have to kill my roommates to bring women back and torture them, the most beautiful women and maybe some men having or

something. >> not informed by cultural, political viewpoints. his is a viewpoint honed in how separate he feels from everybody because he can't vindicate with anyone. he can figure out why won't they relate to me. it is blowing himself up saying i am the most beautiful, i can change everything in the world, a balloon floating away. >> how dare gloria allred make yourself bigger than the story at this point. shameful. >> a storm of the criticism for president obama after his policy for foreign affairs in west point. >> he is a very weak president, certainly in my lifetime the speech is going to put the fear into the hearts of our allies. >> it didn't have a point, it was a defensive point.

the answer to the cause of criticism even from his side of the aisle. >> house majority leader eric cantor saying the address was a goldilocks speech trying to find lukewarm ball of porridge will not help those looking for a lack of leadership or those who fear is return. a couple of things going on with the speech. lot of people felt this was almost retroactive explanation trying to make an explanation out of what he has done in the last six years, this sort of smattering of foreign-policy which hasn't been very coherent. >> i agree with charles krauthammer. the president stood up to it was a very anticipated foreign-policy speech, commencement speech, and he was very defensive in nature, she spent most of the time answering his critics and with no new decisive action on

foreign-policy, people were prepared and looking forward to the president whether they agreed with him or not to put something decisive out there and showing leadership, this was going to be the leadership, and we didn't get that. >> what was he doing here? it was a strange speech. >> i always worry about disagreeing with him or the vice president. because he is generally right. here's what i think, i think he is masterful. his desire is to portray the united states as week and ineffective. >> i don't think that is true. you are the expert this seems to me it was telling us a lot about how he feels of how he has done, i thought. >> when the president takes

office and immediately apologizes and goes on an apology tour, you didn't build that business. he is a dispiriting president who has it in for the american public. i think it is a long story i think he distrusts autonomy. people abandon him again and again an individual decision-making, he hates it. the collective is everything and he is destroying the vision of individual freedom. >> this is somebody who can make decisions. >> it was really outside the bounds of what a president normally does.

>> usama bin laden is another example of where he can make a decision. >> he wants to disempower the united states. >> he is thinking thinking about thinking a lot we have watched them go a recursive progress on specific issues. the death of trevor martin, he waiting on that very quickly. obamacare he weighed in very quickly. bristol waiting to to hear on syria, benghazi. >> there things are in touch with how he sees things. he's going to speak out, those are important to him personally. with his foreign policies it has been incoherent. that is what you saw yesterday. thinking americans should operate behind instead of out outfront in the world.

>> gwenyth paltrow said what exactly? implying she knows what it feels like. that has a lot of people angry and talking today. and the instagram account that pokes fun at people posing for the food using the hashtag you did not just eat that.

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>> life is just so cruel for gwenyth paltrow. so much so she is comparing it to being a war veteran. he reasoned interview the aphis worth upwards of $100 million talked about learning to deal with all those mean comments about her on the internet. she said "you come across online comments about yourself and your friends, and it is a very dehumanizing thing. it's almost like in war. you go through this bloody dehumanizing thing and something is defined out of it." what is wrong with her?

>> we can help her. take her at her word. for her, negative comment on the internet about reputation or her appearance feels she has been shot at, blown up. this is somebody who is telling you listen, i have a real narcissistic problem here because for me she is saying it feels as though somebody is trying to kill me when they say i was lousy a film that feels they are trying to split my throat. >> she should know better. >> i feel for her because that is very fragile for her. >> let me tell you who is telling her to stop talking. the wife of john mccain. cindy mccain says in one tweet when ms. paltrow is a joke. her life is like taking bullets

for a soldier, what a joke. my two sons the military should talk to her. perhaps go out with some soldiers like a red carpet in her mind, i guess. >> here is the healing initiative. made me question myself so deeply that literally i am not vulnerable. she won't likely do that without several sessions. >> she is full of herself, detached from reality, and elitist. >> i have another theory. >> that was good. >> she has a broken heart, still living with her soon-to-be ex. she is trying to get it out of

her system. >> just in terms of helping her out i think she is missing her man. >> this has nothing about her going through a divorce. >> like saying she works harder than moms go to work nine to five. >> one of the reasons she is a talented actress is she can flip the binding of her own existence. she is so far from her internal self she can imitate other eric shinseki's it is sort of all she knows. even people who got into it, it is such a need for a spell, constantly spilling. >> she should apologize to the troops.

>> another apology? >> there is a new trend spreading online of the women posing with junk food and posting it. now a new instagram account trying to put a stop to it for a posting photos: their bluff when it comes to the hashtag you did not just eat that. one says the account should quit it and could only make things worse for women who have issues with food. what do you guys think? does it matter if you a thin actress posing next to food, do you care if she really a thought or not? >> no, please. i will be eating a doughnut, a snack, we will laugh about it, she will post it. >> are you actually not eating like that at home. >> i eat like that all the time, and i am not that thin. i think i am a good, healthy

weight. i put heels on to make me look a little taller. i try to balance my body out because i have a big back end and i don't really care. i want to eat healthy, i want to eat some snacks too. >> what does this say even when the thin girls eat, they can't be eating that, they must be throwing that out after they take the picture. >> the question is are they eating them? you guys are joking around and doing it. take a picture in the article the girl wasn't even eating it. >> because there is pressure on women to be cool enough and healthy and slim enough to say i can eat that if i want and look at how skinny i can be.

>> it makes them look a little bit crazy. by the way, i want to put this in there. women face a catch 22 in public. we must be relaxed round food and face in their ideal of beauty but cashel the work it takes to be there. guys want a carefree girl not afraid to order the dinner and not uptight he gets a solid. i would not blame the guys on this. >> i love the new site. he will pose is eating a hot fudge sundae when we know you were just at the gym. i love them outing these people. i wish you could say you do not have all those friends, you are not that happy. we know you don't like your dad. get real. i think that would be the antidote to some of this

facebook as a drug and toxic. people lie and lie and lie. >> they should not be shamed. >> they must not have better things to do with their time. >> the democrati democratic wayg for eric shinseki to resign after reporting the failures. the president obama be forced to give in? plus, right before her new book comes out, hillary clinton is talking but what might be a touchy subject for her family. what she is saying about staying married that is getting a lot of attention. hoice take 6 tylenol in a day which is 2 aleve for... ...all day relief. hmm. [bell ring] "roll sound!" "action!"

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>> welcome bac back to "outnumbered." we are awaiting a white house press briefing. the first time jay carney has taking questions from the media in nearly a week. lot of issues on the table right now and just a few common an inning of a cia station chief in afghanistan. and the big one on the table, the va scandal which now just keeps on growing. the average wait time at the phoenix facility where this scandal began was 115 days.

1700 veterans wer for cap off te books at that facility. the number of democrats: four va secretary eric shinseki to resign has approximately doubled. republicans exploiting the scandal for political gains telling reporters "i don't think there's any doubt about it that is essentially the tactic that republicans are trying to employee. in some cases there are huge fishing expeditions going on for millions of documents that go beyond the realm of oversight and politicizes the issue very greatly." is that a fair argument? >> i don't think when it comes to the va scandal. there are other issues going on, one could argue bee that ghazi e they are going overboard. i don't think you can do that for the va scandal. they have to guess the bottom of

it and they should get every possible document they can get. >> he doesn't want to make a call on if he should step down, not step down. the veterans on these long waiting times, veterans who have died. they moving him were keeping him, it doesn't matter. we have to focus on the issue at hand. there are serious problems. >> saying let's not just focus on this one. those who have really earned quality health care that should be afforded to them without question. let's talk about what we can do to address it still alive and with us that can benefit from some structure and focus and applications here. i like the message but there is growing sentiment on both sides democratic republicans that really feel it is the right thing and appropriate like mccain saying he should voluntarily stepped down as a show of leadership to say this

is on my call. do something about it, show what you mean. >> this came out at some of the documentation that we have seen on this. how much layering of a problem do you have? when she is saying there are no secret list, none of this exists. what do you do with everybody else? >> the buck stops at his desk. he cannot take a job like that and not go through systematic overhaul. that is what you would do if any one of us were given a job, you say what is broken? we will fix it. he is gone, it is over.

>> this is a big deal, this is what the national health care does. this is what it looks like. >> you are saying it is already metastasized. it doesn't address the other portion. >> we will have to discuss it later. >> have you heard? hillary clinton to come up with a new choice called "hard choices." the possible white house contender speaks about the books message with remarks some say may touch on her very own personal life. have a listen. hard choices in their lives and some have a lot of questions.

how do you get a good job. what happens if you lose it. how do you afford your education, particularly want to two to college, whether to get married, whether to stay married, those are hard choices everybody grows up with. >> kimberly looking at this, just to be clear, she wasn't clearly talking about her own marriage but hillary clinton is not a stupid person and when she says something like this she probably knows what it means of the you know what should we make of this? do you think she is sort of talking about her own marriage? >> i'm sure she is making comments based on her own experience. isn't that what we do every day? we give context based on what we've gone through in our lives? we make a statement and it sort of is a reflection, a piece of us that we're giving out to the rest of the listening audience. actually i like her candor here. i like that she is being open about it. guess what? being married, relationships, it is hard. it takes work. and there are times in a marriages, relationships you do have to make a decision whether

to stay in and try to seek help of professional like dr. ablow or something for the two of you to separate and go apart. if she is not being honest if she doesn't admit something like that. it had to have gone through her own head. >> kimberly in perhaps of bringing in her own personal experience where her marriage is concerned that is issue that will come up if she runs for president. she can't get away from that. she is the first lady when her husband was stepping out. that is comes up with her judgment and decision-making. i give her a lot of credit for putting her in a way she can feel proud of. she is raising a daughter. her daughter is getting ready to have her first child. this really puts things into perspective, raising that child, there may be tough times ahead. i telegraph to the world, the answer to this question, if in fact she is talking about her own marriage, i'm saying to my own child, hang in there, tough choices. >> analyze it from psychologist hat. >> from my psychologist hat --

>> psychiatrist hat. >> psychiatrist hat, i objected to bill clinton having a prayer brake fast and instead of saying obvious i was taken with her and i had a big job and stress and i was moved. if you want to hate me for that, vote me out of office that is fine. his wife, hillary clinton is not saying i wouldn't throw my marriage overboard because of an affair. i don't get it. till death through us part. you will see me through, god forbid, cancer and rest of it because of a physical act you're out of here? i guess you never loved me, go. >> i couldn't agree with you more. nobody is out numbered on this couch. i like candidness. she wrote about it in the 2003 book how bill is still the person who makes her laugh. the man has the most energy. she loved to be around him. >> he is very charismatic. >> what a message to send out to people, who is not going through a tough time? marriage is tough. >> absolutely. how is it for you? no, i mean we have a little time i think.

>> and you are on a couch. >> we are on a couch. >> i came here for the free services. >> talk about free health care. >> indeed. always, yeah, i always am suspect of people who say things are grand and great. you can't get me at a cocktail party or dinner to spend anytime with you if you tell me how happy you are. stop it. you are not. >> last word goes to you, doctor. some college students are finding way to harvest water from the sky. it could be a godsend for folks battling severe drought like the one parching texas for three years. you know the saying there is no crying in baseball. what about at the office? some say it is not a good idea to ever shed even a few tears at the work place. we'll discuss. ♪. it starts with little things. tiny changes in the brain.

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>> work stressing you out? ever feel like having a good cry in the office? putting your head down on the desk and mascara everywhere and freaking out? research says more women than men shed tears at work. women reported feeling worse after crying saying they felt embarrassed. men said crying actually made theme feel better. top female ceos say they think crying is at work okay if it happens rarely. others say it is never okay because it could make you look weak. keith, are you a crier? >> i'm not much of a crier, but my thinking on this just evolved. i was about to say it is almost more unforgivable for a man to cry, gee, can't you hold yourself together, right? i remember in my training, ed shapiro, who was a gifted psychiatrist, we weren't doing

our work as psychiatrists in training, we looked over there is ed with a tear running down his cheek but silent of the he looked at us and said in case you miss it, i love this work. >> ah. >> how could you not have a heart for that? >> how could you not have a heart for that. look, there are times for men and women, and i'm sad women feel it is shameful, when you're moved so much by what you're doing, that a threat to it, is registering at the core of your being. >> wow. don't forget to ask, what are we crying about here? are we not feeling good because our tummy is hurt? are we crying because we're sentimental or upset about something? kimberly, i'm a bit of a crier. not what imsad, not what imhurt. i really rarely cry. i get very sentimental. that is when the tears flow. it is a bit of a problem for me. if you were watching memorial day, i cried on the air. i'll going to point that out very reluctantly because --

>> do we have the clip? >> i felt very uncomfortable, doctor. i fully support the reason we were crying, we were memorializing soldiers died in their service, i felt very uncomfortable. i really fall into the line of this study. >> i think it is sad you have to feel that way. >> thank you for sharing. >> yeah, we were kind of talking, we learned something about you though. we learned your dad served in vietnam. sometimes you learn something. >> there is context. >> i don't mean seeing people cry if they're really upset about something. what i don't like to see people cry if they think they can manipulate. a lot of time i see women do that i don't see men do that i see women do this, turn on the water works if they get on what they want. they don't care where they are. work happens to be by-product of the address where they are at the moment. i really dislike that. >> kirsten, i heard you cried at works once? >> i did. a long time ago. when i worked at aol. i was exhausted, overwhelmed, just really was a the end of my rope. i traveled all the time. i ran our international

communication. i had a bunch of things happen. i cried in front of my boss. i actually, i ended up, actually ended up quitting. i just realized, not that that moment, i realize this job has gotten a little out of control. there is no boundaries. i work seven days a week, 24 hours a day. i had people who worked for me cried in frond of me, because people were run into the ground. when they cried, i was sympathetic because i knew they were overworked and they were, there was too much pressure on them. and you know, it wasn't happening all the time. it was something that happened once maybe with each employee. look, it's fine. this is stressful. >> kimberly, you didn't tell us whether you cry? >> she's a crier. >> i'm like sandra i'm sentimental and i cry when i see emotion or families or veterans, things like that great stories, kid of course. >> did you cry as prosecutor ever, defendant? >> not in front of but i made them cry for their mother. >> just want to get to the heart

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... ... ... ... : the >> more "outnumbered" in just a moment. jenna lee with what is coming up in second hour of "happening now." jenna: william la jeunesse with brand new reporting on marine jailed in mexico. mexican police arrested him nearly two months ago as he said

he crossed into the country with three registered weapons. marine spokes exclusively to our very own greta van susteren in an interview on tonight "on the record." another close call at an la cast can airport. a passenger jet coming within a quarter of a mile of a cargo plane. patti ann browne with the report on that. fresh outbreak of violence in ukraine. rebels shot down a government military helicopter amid heavy fighting. greg palkot is on the ground doing reporting. wearable technology. we're not talking about watches that count our steps. we are talking about shirts that tell you need to chill out. is that necessary? do we all need one of those, harris? >> yeah. chill, babe. jenna: coming up top of the hour. >> thanks, jenna. sue he then. >> could be outnumbered, looks that way, 4-1. it is my turn with this story. talk about a morning jolt? drivers in spokane, washington, are getting a provocative

wake-up call with this billboard which features a nearly-naked woman advertising a lingerie coffee shop. the woman that runs the shop says she doesn't much care if the community thinks the sign is inappropriate. she has a family to support. the woman posed in the photo is defending ad. the sign shows nothing more than what a family would see if they went to the beach. kimberly, do you like it? >> doesn't bother me. i'm getting my coffee either way in the morning. there are mannequins in storefronts that are pretty risquely dressed and take pictures, mommy, can we bring her home? kids see this stuff. they're unfortunately inundated with images all around, whether on television as best you try to monitor things or on the web or everyday life walking down the street? new york i still see some things that shock me. is that the worst thing in the world? no. >> let me ask you a question. would you be happy enough if your daughter some day or your sister or dear friend were

working in the shop? >> were working in the shop? talking to a former lingerie model. >> i am. you themthink i don't know that? you think i don't google? >> sound like you're going to need a doctor. >> exactly. >> being lingerie model selling lingerie to women is different than this i feel like. yes it is true, watching down in new york city you see this kind of stuff but this isn't new york city. so i think when you are walking through times square you might expect to see one thing. >> time, place and manner. >> might see something different in a small town, right. >> maybe. what do you think? >> section wahl inyou end does, the name of the coffee shop is second base expresso. that could be offensive to young families. the model in the billboard says i have a young family. she is saying okay. was it so risque we had to blur it out? >> it is bikini. >> like a brazilian thong? >> it's a thong. >> it's a t-bar. >> that might be a little about

much. i don't know. there is innuendo in the wording of it. the woman has two shops and used this billboard at each shoppe point. she knows it effective and talking about it on national television. >> bingo. >> she has marketing skills. the other thing i say going in to get your coffee, what does that have to do with the billboard? go in and get your coffee. lingerie models are not just for women my husband will tell you. >> these coffee givers are clad in the risque bikinis that is the come-on. i don't know why people want to get coffee from naked girls but they do. >> you don't? >> i don't. >> her children can go on internet and see this type of thing in heartbeat. >> see victoria secret in the window. >> there are all types of ads. it is not the worst. >> these guys are on the prowl. i'm not talking about tigers. these men seen here. they're serious about scoring a date, i guess. they're literally walking into a

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men are literaly on the prowl. look at the new dating trend. a new report reveals more guys are posing with tigers to make

them seem worldly and dangerous. not to mention increasing the chances of picking up women. apparently the tiger is a powerful symbol. >> i looked all over this. >> who is taking her courses and how is she paid? >> i have one for you. i didn't see pictures with you with tigers, you are already married, is this something you would suggest? >> i had three cats i had adored and wouldn't get me's date to it save my life. y don't get are we so loss in technology that an appeal incruds a primitive appeal of i am with wild life. it is not sexy is it. >> i think we are all thinking

of one person who is known to pose with a tiger or horses, russian president vladimar putin. >> oh, yeah, there you go. kimberly what does that scheme to you. >> a shirtless tiger and give me the one he is on the horse naked. >> does that scream hotness. >> i think he is masculine and i would be afraid to not let him score. but if i see a guy with a tiger, first thing i think. what are you doing with this animal? i think it said more to the guy that he is feeling deficient. let me see you yourself or playing with your nephews and that tells you about it. the tigers are like biting. >> i think the tigers are on

zanex. >> where do you find a group of tigers. climb in the cage in the zoo? kristin you are a single woman. >> i never done the on line thing honestly. >> and i think that would strike me as strange and trying to hard. >> and what is courageous about it? are they at a petting zoo? >> i don't know where are they getting the tigers? >> they are not out in the wild. >> they went and surveyed the people on the websites and go on, on line dating. and shows that women are more responsible with them. >> and so like bears and tigers. >> and bobcats. >> i guess in some way it is preening. >> or primal. >> or all right. i am married to a tony.

and i guess. i guess i am a fan of tony the tiger. >> hey, it is fun to have you here. >> thanks for having me. >> we'll see you on outnumbered tomorrow. for now happening now. we start off with a fox news alert. the white house on the record after a blistering watch dog report on the medical care or lack thereof, given to our nation's veterans. >> i am jenna lee. >> and i am jon scott. they are talking about the accidental outing of the cia chief in kabul. and the president's speech at west point and the ongoing scandal in the veterans administration. >> reporter: the new york times said the president