eric: and we'll see you in an hour. jenna: continuing coverage on our stories here on fox news, "outnumbered" starts right now. ♪ ♪ >> hello. this is outnumbered, i'm harris faulkner, and here with us today, sandra smith, jedediah bee la, kirsten powers and today's hashtag one lucky guy, tucker carlson, he is outnumbered, and we're glad you're here. >> thanks for having me. >> welcome back. >> let's start with what's breaking. the man at the top of the veteran affairs is out after a meeting between va secretary eric shinseki and the president inside the oval office. the president telling reporters shinseki handed in his resignation. this issue of our veterans dying at home, waiting to see doctors

was hot as fire be, as you might imagine, with americans across the nation standing up and demanding punishment. and with democrats jumping ship and joining republicans across the political aisle in expressing outrage that shinseki still had a job, and now he doesn't. at least not the job leading the va. watch. >> this morning i think some of you also heard rick take a truly remarkable action. in public remarks, he took personal responsibility and apologized to his fellow veterans and to the american people. and a few minutes ago, secretary shinseki offered me his own resignation. with considerable regret, i accepted it. >> all right, and with that, the questions began to come from reporters as well. the president said he'd only take one or two, he actually took more than that, but the very first question came from the military times. tucker carlson, what changed? >> first of all, does anybody

think that the firing of one of the decent people in the obama administration is going to fix this problem? what changed is political considerations. you've got six or seven democrats in the senate who are really clinging to their seats, it looks like a number of them are going to lose, and he just got too intense. the president ignored -- this wasn't republicans calling for shinseki's resignation that spurred the action, it was democrats. they're the ones he listens to. it was purely political, and i don't think this is going to result in profound reforms at the va. >> key step, did the president feel the pressure on this one? >> i think he did, but there were a lot of high profile republicans calling for this. it's true, once democrats got on board, i'm made a difference. i thought from the get go this was how this was going to end. we know it's going to end. for some reason, the president takes a long time -- >> why does he, by the way? >> he would say because he's waiting for the inspector general report, and it actually hasn't been that long since then, and he would then ask more

his resignation. it was completely predictable. >> all right. so i suppressed this part. the president actually had an answer for what's changed, and jedediah, it was that shinseki believed he would be the distraction. >> i believe that's probably true, and i think he has been a distraction was we've all been -- because we've all been talking about whether or not shinseki should go. now that he says it's time for me to go and president obama says, yes, it's time for you to go, we will all shift the discussion thousand to how to actually address the problem and fix this. i think he's right. i think he probably did feel that way, and i think the president probably did feel it's time to take him off the stage now, let's bring this problem front and center because i don't think for a second that barack obama doesn't want to prioritize this issue. we are all united when it comes to our veterans. >> he said this was something that predated his even candidacy as president. there was a tick tock this morning about what shinseki did before he left to go to the oval office. among the things that he did was to fire some of the heads of the

departments at the va and to make sure that there was this paper trail, if you will, of people going out the door on the way out. how important is that? >> well, i think it's very important because he was very reluctant to go. and here we are talking about this is how things were going to end, i think is the way kirsten put it, this is how things are going to begin. it's going to take a lot of time, a lot of money to fix the va system, and i'll go back to the words of speaker boehner. he reserved judgment on shinseki. he didn't call for shinseki's resignation. he said that the president is the one who needs to be accountable here, and you just threw in very one, maybe small detail as far as the point you were making, but it is big in the grand picture. president obama has known about the problems at the va since he was senator obama, and now he's going to fix the problem now? is he's been talking about this for years. >> but isn't that a better conversation then for us all to be having, presidential accountability instead of shinseki's? >> yes.

>> i think the shift is going to be good for accountability, to be good for the country, i think this is -- >> has to come from, i mean, look, the president can't know something if it's being suppressed and hidden from him, right? this was not something -- shinseki should have noun about it, and he should have escalated it, so i don't see how the president knows white without si doing his job. >> kirsten, because we have a democrat on the couch, i don't want to miss the opportunity. from the time the president knew though, he has said i'm going to let this whole thing play out. the department of justice, eric holder not necessarily being brought in. talk to me not just about accountability, but leadership with this president. it sends a completely different message when you fire somebody -- >> right. >> -- because of what's going on and when you wait for them to show up at your house, by the way, the people's house, and then hand in their resignation. that is a completely different -- >> yeah. >> why didn't he fire shinseki? >> he doesn't fire people. i don't know why.

>> vet veterans are dying, have died, when the does the president -- >> look, i can never say why barack obama does what he does, but my best guess is he thinks shinseki is a good man, and he is somebody who has sacrificed for our country, and he's not going to mistreat him. i think that's probably what he's thinking and he can achieve the same thing with a resignation and let this man save a little bit of face rather than humiliating him and firing him. and you get the same result in the -- >> he just fired him this morning. that's what happened, he tired him. but this is a symbolic act. let's not misconstrue this. this is not the same as reforming the va. >> right. >> the president himself can resign, and that might have ancillary benefits, but it wouldn't fix the va. this has been going on since before i was born and before, ask any veteran. anything else that requires precision and nuance and the human touch, big bureaucracies aren't good at that. the president's real faults is

not looking at the va and saying, hmm, maybe there's some lessons here. how could you do obamacare? >> i keep hearing this from republicans, why weren't you guys trying to banish the va? you're always talking about getting -- >> what do you mean you? >> well, not you. okay, so republicans are always saying let's get rid of the education department. why haven't they been saying for the last 20 years let's get rid of the, va? >> because it's incredibly unpopular -- >> now that barack obama's president, it's -- >> i'm not blaming obama. actually, i'm the one right-winger who's not holding obama accountable for the va really. i think it's baked into the cake. huge bureaucracies aren't good at delivering health care. >> tucker, how can you say that when he's said he's known about the problem for years, but yet today he stands before the american people and says he was unaware of this systemic failure of the hospital system in the va. >> it's a detail. look, i'm not defending obama, i'm merely saying it's not about obama -- >> he's the leader. >> let's talk about this new

detail today. maybe a name that nobody had heard of, sloan d. gibson is now the deputy va secretary there, and now he's going to be the acting, right? let's watch the announcement about the replacement, at least the interim replacement, and then i want to talk to you -- the word on the street is he's going to learn on the job, there'll be a learning curve. watch. >> we're going to need a new va secretary, so sloan is acting. sloan, i think, would be the first to acknowledge that he's going to have a learning curve that he's got to deal with. but the nature of the problem that has surfaced and has been the cause of this attention is one that we can start tackling right away. >> all right. so when you look at his resumé, jedediah, he has done some remarkable things. i'm not going to take away that, and we're all just learning about sloan d. gibson today, but this is not a person who's held this post before. >> i don't think the focus is going to be on him right now.

i think he's going to have plenty of time to adjust to this position, and the focus of the american people -- and rightfully so right now -- is going to be on figuring out how to get these veterans who may be still sort of caught in the system, how to get them immediate care and how to reform the system. i think he's going to have some time to ease into it. i don't think everyone's going to be looking at him and saying, well, you're going to need to do this job 100%, fix everything today, right now. i think people are going to look at the evolution of all the problems and how can we work together to get some reform. >> jedediah, i think the conversation's going to continue to be lack of trust for the government. i mean, on this show, harris, we are citing, you know, poll after poll that shows the american people are not trusting do actions of -- the actions of the government. and here you see, as tucker just pointed out, the government can't run the va. how are they going to run the health care system that they've put on the table in this country? that trust issue seems to be, i don't know, kirsten, maybe that will continue to be the conversation. >> well, it's been, i mean, when

obama came into office, trust was already really at record low levels -- >> it's gotten worse. >> and, unfortunately, has not gotten better. that was something he was supposed to do, was restore trust in the government. i disagree that i don't think obamacare has anything to do with the va. that's where i sort of veer off from a lot of what other people think because it's insurance. it's not the same thing as actually running a hospital which is an entirely different thing, which is not something i, frankly, know very many democrats want to have. not many democrats say let's have all the hospitals run by the government. >> tucker, you look perplexed. [laughter] >> i'm thinking. >> what's going on? >> i've live inside washington for 29 years, the new guy -- old guy gets fired, he gets blamed, new guy is going to fix things. you can't run an organization whose employees can't be fired. it's impossible to. this is why there's never any reform in washington, because the average federal employee cannot be fired. you're more likely to die on the job of natural causes than you are to bed, and you can't have

an --ed. >> you know what's interesting about what shinseki did? i said there was this tick tock of things he did before he walked into the oval office s and one was he was trying to call on bernie sanders to go forward with this bill that would make it easier to fire people at the va, right? bernie sanders being the independent from vermont who's very outspoken on this, but not in the sense of getting this bill pushed through. why is that important, jedediah? >> i think tucker's exactly right. i think that doesn't just hold for positions we're talking about right now, that goes for education, everywhere. you have to be able to fire people who are incompetent or who have a proven record of not doing their job very well, and until you can do that, there is no accountability in any system i don't care if you're talking about the government. the private sector there is accountability, and people do lose their jobs, and that's why things get fixed. >> yeah, because the market demands -- >> away demand. >> the market -- demands accountability. kirsten, i want to ask you this

about the president though, what kind of, what kind of leadership do you think that it shows that we have waited to this point? i mean, he could have put eric holder on this investigation very early, there were calls for that. what is -- and i know you can't get inside of his head, but based on what you've seen him handle, what's going on? >> well, you know, i've defended him a little bit on this because i feel he wanted to wait to get the actual results from the report, and everybody kept saying we already knew what happened. we knew there were delays, we didn't know the delays definitely led to people's deaths. we now know there's no question the bonuses were influencing -- >> well, of course they would. >> right. we know for a fact that they were behaving in what is probably criminal behavior, so he should at this point get the department of justice involved. >> and where are the other democrats? i'm not hearing anybody still, you know, defending the president on this issue. they've jumped to the political -- >> they want shinseki fired, a lot of them. there are a dozen, you know, democrats who have come out

calling for him to be fired. so, yeah, i think -- but i don't -- i have a little bit of a problem with this idea, it's almost like a gladiator type thing, we want the head on the platter. there's nothing wrong with waiting for getting some facts and then making a decision. and because we're in this 24-hour news cycle, we have this sense that obama took so long. >> no one's better at getting facts than federal prosecutors, i would say. why not put the doj -- >> they should. i think they absolutely should. >> let's get back to the politics of the matter though. will this quiet democrats, do you think? >> yeah. i think that this is the first thing -- >> this'll get them back in his camp. >> as long as he does what he said he was going to do, which is he was very, you know, agitated today and says he wants people on top of this, he wants them fixed, so we need to see the if it's actually going to -- >> is the president in trouble with all these scandals? there's a lot of -- we've heard him say there's no there there with benghazi. this is completely there. >> well, i think tucker just alluded to the fact that people

have known about problems that predate obama, and i just wonder -- and i recently talked to a doctor who's a professor down at nyu, she's a current, practicing doctor for nyu who worked in the va system who said she was not caught off guard by this at all. it was no surprise to her because of what she saw happening behind those doors, and the wait lists were long, and there were problems, and they were systemic. if it was so obvious, tucker, you're saying these problems have lasted forever, everybody knows that, it was so obvious to her, then why are we talking about shinseki, and why aren't we talking about -- >> because the question is -- [inaudible conversations] >> that i have been asking. >> the president -- [inaudible conversations] >> he's the president of the united states. he's the leader of the free world. he cannot know everything that's happening in every department -- >> why not? >> wait a minute. [inaudible conversations] >> he's the commander in chief. >> hold on though. how would he know? is he wandering around over there? >> you ask a few questions. >> i think he probably did, and

i think shinseki probably wasn't telling him what was going on. [inaudible conversations] >> we consider the nature of the problem for a minute many? what's the core problem? not enough doctors. >> there's cardiologists who said they were seeing two patients a doctor, tucker. >> because they don't want to work there. so that tells you a lot. that's a core problem. this is health care. you need doctors to deliver health care, and they don't have enough. >> when you watched the president today though, he even said that, but it was very quick, and it was at the end of the third question. you had to really catch it. >> to answer your question, there's a credibility problem, there is a transparency problem, and there is a leadership problem. and if you look at every single scandal, you can trace those three things without, and this there are some solutions, the american people are going to hold this president accountable. >> a couple questions still to ask. if we could get into a room with the president, we'd ask about more doctors and what's next. all right. more to come on that story and, of course, fox news will stay all over it.

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♪ ♪ >> welcome back to "outnumbered." we turn to benghazi now and the new excerpts from hillary clinton's soon to be published book that everyone has been waiting for, her account of the terror attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi when she served as secretary of state. politico getting its hands on the 34-page chapter called "benghazi. under attack." clinton takes on her republican critics head on writing, quote: i will not be a part of a political slug fest on the backs of dead americans. it's just plain wrong and unworthy of our great country. those on politicizing the tragedy will have to do so without me. and clinton takes her critics to

task on the controversy over the administration's initial talking points which claims the attack was sparked by an anti-islamic online video, talking points that turned out to be flat out wrong. clinton writes, quote: there were scores of attackers that night almost certainly with differing motives. it is inaccurate to state that every single one of them was influenced by this hateful video. it is equally inaccurate to state that none of them were. both assertions defy not only the evidence, but logic as well. meantime today, some of clinton's top supporters and democrats huddling, reportedly to discuss how to handle benghazi which is almost certain to be a top discussion in 2012 if ms. clinton does indeed -- sorry, 2016. tucker, when we look at this, you see that clinton's trying to take responsibility, but at the same time she's politicizing the issue in this book by pointing fingers at republicans for trying to politicize it. >> this is the opposite of

taking responsibility. her writing is about as graceful as her speaking. no, she didn't take the responsibility. she says i just didn't feel like going on tv, so i sent poor susan rice out there. susan rice had nothing to do with this. she wasn't overseeing the personnel who died in benghazi, hillary clinton was, but she didn't want to deal with it, so she sent susan rice out to destroy her political career. the other point i'd make is she attacks critics? some critics are responsible, i'll grant you that, but most just want to know the answers to basic questions. what were these people doing in benghazi? that's pretty outrageous. >> and she has kind of made that clear, that we should just stop asking questions, kirsten. >> i think that quote will be her approach if she runs for office. it's going to become anybody who wants to talk about this is indecent, unpatriotic, and i'm not going to be part of it, you know, that sort of the posture of i'm not going to be part of it. and i think that it'll probably,

frankly, be pretty effective. i think that this approach is probably going to work for her. >> i agree 100%, by the way. >> and, jedediah, i want to get your reaction to this. senator rom johnson, he questioned secretary clinton, that now-infamous response from hillary clinton, what difference at this point does it make? he adds this to react to the recent exposed excerpt from her book. quote: sounds like a carefully-crafted framework for a defense that answers nothing. >> but it's politically brilliant. i mean, she's essentially putting off on everyone else and saying, you know, i did nothing wrong here. politically, this is how republicans should handle an issue. you get out in front of the issue. you play offense, not defense. and this all depends upon how many americans are really keyed into this issue. if americans are following this story, if they've been bothered by her saying what difference does it make, if they've been bothered by the misleading with respect to this video when they

knew, in fact, that it was terrorism, if all of those things really mattered to americans, they're going to say these answers won't suffice. if this is not a key, priority issue for americans, she will absolutely get away from this. she doesn't want to take responsibility, she wants to sweep it under the rug and make it not her problem and hope that nobody cares enough about it to hold her responsible for it. >> yeah, she's -- probably, and her adviser's telling her, too, be prepared for this to go away, but just in case one of her principal advisers is going to be meeting with a group called third way in washington today. and why is that significant? because it's being talked about that he will address the third way, which is a moderate think tank, in support of hillary clinton from what i've read, kirsten. but what's important about that is that they're going to talk about what could come up with the select committee. and they're going the talk about the best ways to answer those issues. so on one hand the clinton team is hoping that this will go away, but just in case, they have a bag of just in case

answers. >> it's not going away, let me tell you something. i mean, recent polling shows that a majority of americans want this investigation to continue. they want those unanswered questions addressed. we're going to leave it there, guys. it shouldn't be this hard to stick up for your boss. the awkward moment when an administration spokesperson tries to defend the president. plus, a fiery speech from former new york city mayor michael bloomberg. the warning that he gave harvard graduates about silencing conservative views on the college campus. ♪ ♪ ugh. heartburn. did someone say burn? try alka seltzer reliefchews. they work just as fast and are proven to taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm. amazing. yeah, i get that a lot. alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief.

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♪. >> welcome back to outnumbered. an awkward moment in the state department briefing room after state department spokeswoman jenn saki tries to sand up for the president's success on foreign policy front. >> i would argue the president doesn't give himself enough credit for what he has done around the world. that is what the secretary feels. >> you argue that the president doesn't give himself enough credit. how much credit would you give him? >> i would give him more than he is has given himself. that is what i just said. >> 200% credit? so would the secretary. >> credit for what?

>> what, yes, exactly. >> i don't mean like he doesn't deserve credit -- >> sha was painful. awkward. same woman who couldn't come up with one achievement by hillary clinton? >> she ultimately came up with something and said he has improved engagement with the world. so, interestingly, nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engle was asked recently to name a country where the president has improved relations. he said there is not a single country in the world. this is a, not a person who is a republican spokesperson. >> so uncomfortable. >> so, i don't know what made her decide to say that but, you know, tucker, what do you make of this. >> that is the problem. i think the president doesn't give himself enough credit. stands behind modesty. he has only written two autobiographies. where do they get these people. jenn seems like a nice person. remember when spokesmen answered

questions. theyer weren't just fan boys worshiping the king. they tried, to you know, talk to the press. they don't anymore. >> you were walking into it a little bit. there was a lot of laughter and people were mocking her. >> if anybody hangs around me long enough, you hear me say this a lot. it is not personal. it is business. why is she still employed as a spokesperson for the state department? that was embarrassing. she actually tried to answer the question. she went on and what he has done in ukraine. okay? that was her response. a reporter responded, russia is still annexed crimea. so i mean, it's not a very good representation of, not just the state department but the country. lack of leadership. >> jedediah, there are more things she could have said. wants to bring up ukraine, the administration talking point on this is that the president was the leading, only person, really western leader came out and sort of corralled the rest of the world to dot sanctions.

yeah, she could have made that argument, right? >> it is interesting they have a hard time defending themselves. if they can't defend their own points how are we supposed to look at it and glean some positivity from it. this president, i'm sorry, does all but reach around and pat him back all the time. this guy is not humble. he is front and center who says he made many foreign policy accomplishments. i don't agree with him. >> isn't that true of all presidents? how many presidents come out and say, i'm not that good. >> i wish more did. >> some presidents do admit their mistakes. you're right, they don't say that you know what having been there and asked questions asked next to reporters i was really not joking she needs to dust off her resume', she may not be fitted for this position because she is not anticipating obviously some of the questions that are going to come up. she doesn't have, you know what? a good pr person has this. pat answers.

they're called talking points. and we know the administration has talking points because we saw them walked out on several talk shows on that sunday, september 16th about benghazi. she is apparently not getting any of them. so jenn psaki, maybe this is not the right line of work. >> she made a mistake. we're going a little overboard. >> she is in love. they all are. >> not the first time she has done that it is on tape both times. unfortunate. >> i'm sympathetic as former press secretary. >> but you were ready. >> i'm sure i made mistakes. >> i doubt you were in love. you were just doing your job. >> that's hilarious. former new york city mayor michael bloomberg is slamming intolerance on college campuses telling harvard's graduating class, liberals should stop trying to silence other views. >> there is an idea floating around college campuses, including here at harvard i think, that scholars should be

funded only if their work conforms to a particular view of justice. there's a word for that idea. censorship and it is just a modern form of mccarthyism. >> tucker, where did mayor bloomberg get that idea? >> it is amazing. this is newsworthy. what he is saying so obvious striking that michael bloomberg has to say it, by the way one of the least tolerant people i ever watched in public office and authoritarian and most eager to control the way you left. if left to michael bloomberg to say this, of all people, at harvard, wow, have we gone off the rails. commentary is not necessary. of course you shouldn't crush people who disagree with you but we are. >> kirsten, he specifically calling out liberals for doing this. you have written about this issue. >> i think it's a huge problem. i think it is great actual that michael bloomberg did it, he is not the person you would expect to do it. you would expect somebody who is, extremely conservative to do it. he is not extremely conservative

to have somebody like him come out recognize it, shows you that it really has become such a huge problem. he touched on it. there is no dissent anymore. there is no, they don't even want people on the campus who are going to say something that you disagree with. >> you bring me to my list. and we'll recognize some of these names, right? this was recent. former secretary of state condoleeza rice withdrawing from commencement of rutgers university because students had objected and protested. she didn't want to be a distraction. christine lagarde, managing director of the international monetary fund with drew from smith college commencement over policies at imf. didn't want to become a distraction. the list is long. >> pointed to ray kelly, former new york police commissioner, his own buddy was also given the same sort of reaction when he went to go speak at brown. >> these are famous people. >> what you're alluding professors, can't get hired, they get fired if they do wrong kind of research and say wrong

things. this is not -- >> brought up on charges. >> the guy, mayor bloomberg used to work for a television station, facts, facts. he points out one very big fact, 96% of all ivy league campaign donations went to president obama in 2012. there is not a lot of -- that needs to be looked at. >> there is not a lot of argument. >> then he brings out gun control which is issue he has been so incredibly divisive on beyond measure. that is interesting little component he had to sort of dig that little gun control argument in. i don't think he told us anything we have don't know. i worked on college campuses. they're not interested in diversity of thought. it is a fact. they're interested in indoctrination, if you sway from that, conservative clubs, conservative organizations they see that to real threat of ideology existed on these campuses for a long time, thrived and reason millennial culture is shaped way it is. academia shapes culture. if conservatives were to take back some of academia you would

see changes young people voted and not. that is very threatening in academia. >> that is question i want to ask sandra real quickly. what does it mean for scheme of things in politics in this country? if jedediah is saying the case you can program people and know how they vote down the road. >> it will be no diversity. look what is coming out of our college campus. people need to take into consideration other viewpoints. look what else is out there. these kids are coming out of college and we'll see one very basic culture and one basic line of thinking. that is a problem. it's a problem when we look at business in country too as well, harris. >> yeah, that's a good example. i hope it is not a boring baseline. ii hope they keep it hip and interesting, right, tucker? >> i hope so. >> we could come to end of employer provided insurance even though the president defended it as a candidate in 2008. we'll crunch of numbers for you. students are upset after one school's take on dress code violations, taking into its own

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>> can you spot the difference in these photos? it is pretty obvious a utah high school note shopped female yearbook photos to show less skin. students were surprised to see themselves in long sleeves instead of short and crew necks instead of v next. they felt the school selected them at ran do because all photos were not random. the school said all students knew about the rules and photoshopping but admits they did not apply the rules to each student. they changed a lot of random

things, shoulders. does this bother you? the school said we gave them fair warning. there was sign up if you didn't meet the dress code we would potentially note shop your picture. does this bother you that they did it to students? >> one thing if somebody showed up, i don't know, naked, but i didn't see anybody wearing anything too risque. >> apparently shoulders are varies kay. >> i don't like it. >> not the one with cut off -- >> tattoo was covered. >> i don't have a problem with this. >> no. >> you don't? >> i have a feeling i will be outnumbered. no, i really don't. i thought every single one of pictures looked better after retouching them. >> according to you. >> she asked me my opinion. i'm giving it. >> harris, there was some inconsistency. we have a photo to show you. >> that i have a problem with. >> two girls wearing almost the same outfit. what they wound up doing photoshopping one. >> but not the other. >> not the other. >> inequality, not a fan of that. that is beyond inconsistency, that is inequality.

>> what is it about arms? >> my senior yearbook which i didn't have on me, we don't have any pictures of me, we wore strapless dresses and it was like, and boys were wearing tuxes. so i don't understand. this is a catholic high school. so i don't, what is the problem? you can't see a woman's shoulders? literally that is like -- >> they had been told -- >> why stop with clothes? what if hair is problem? the number of mullets make it into -- yes, you can. there is no excuse for mullet in a yearbook. look at america's yearbooks. >> did you have one? >> big-time. >> there is your photo. >> much thinner as you can see. flip it around, see the part in the back. >> in my high school, i went to a catholic high school. picture from my yearbook you can show. when you got up to the front of the line, there i am. >> when was that? last year? >> long time ago. made us wear, you see wearing a

little black v-neck t was a half shirt. when you got to the front of the line had to wear that. there was none of this nonsense. wouldn't have been a better way, tucker for them to do that? if you want to avoid these things, make a uniform thing that doesn't insult anyone. no discrepancy, no inconsistency. >> you want an honest answer? this whole thing is insane. all the things you could be spending your time doing as school administrator like teaching kids when the civil war took place, for example and you're photoshopping halter tops? >> i wonder if you think it is too risque. this high school photo is awesome. i'm in awesome conservative sweater vest. >> is that argyle? >> oh. >> didn't learn how to wear makeup. >> you're adorable. >> cross-country nerd. that is what i'm talking about. >> i don't have a problem with the age and point of life that they are. they passed out rules. i do not like the fact that it was not equally -- >> wow. >> they should really take that down. >> that is cute picture.

>> what is the problem with arms? no one explained that? what is wrong with arms though? >> they're provocative. >> thing about arms, being covered up and ready for the moment. >> they're saying that they said no tanks. so people who came with tanks, that was rule. >> violating a rule apparently? i don't know, i like the tank tops. i didn't see anything risque. i think this was blown over a little bit. we'll leave it at that. eric shinseki finally stepping down after weeks of controversy. new reaction on the potential fallout and where the administration can go from here to fix the mess. plus can divorce be a happy time? the gaining popularity of parties that celebrate couples untying the knot. ♪ starts with back pain... ...and a choice. take 4 advil in a day which is 2 aleve...

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would you recommend it, sandra. >> i wouldn't. i understand happy birthday. jenna: thank you. >> you guys will have come up with a big 25-year anniversary you think. you guys are around that 25, 26 range. >> how about 29? >> we'll be watching, thank you. >> like custer i am "outnumbered," my turn to have a story. divorce is usually a pretty sad time in someone's life. more and more people are having divorce parties instead. some calling them freedom fests. like weddings these parties can be costly blowouts supposedly often with their own cakes like this one. traditional wedding cake, if you notice it is upside down and it has black frosting. grotesque. >> nothing is a celebration like brac frosting, right. >> i'm divorced. i have can not imagine having done this. not only, it was obviously even though it was right thing to do, it was a very sad thing. you have, you know, something you thought was going to last

for your whole life ended. i was very close to his family. would be very disrespectful to his family, him. if he had done it would be disrespectful to me. wow, these people hate each other. i don't know how you do this -- >> is that what it is about? would have a black wedding cake? >> if i had a really bad marriage and sad for a really long time maybe i would welcome a time to laugh about it all and welcome a new beginning. i think for some women, that is what it is. that is new phase of life. that chapter is done. this chapper is here. i'm tired of crying about it. tired of living in the past. let's look to the future. i don't think they see it as personal attack. they see it this is new stage of my life i want to enjoy. i want to begin with a bang. >> i disagree. >> tucker, i think this is all just an excuse, and i'm basing this, this is broad based statement on culture here in america, it is an excuse to drink alcohol. >> like you need one? you think that? >> i think that men don't really have the equivalent to this because they have done something

different. they went on with their lives, maybe? i don't know. this is sign you're still -- >> drinking alone in front of the tv. men can be worse. >> this is signal somebody hasn't moved on. you need a signpost to tell you to move on and upside down cake does it for you, i would opt for pineapple over whatever that was. >> we've got to go. if you're gwyneth paltrow and consciously uncouple? >> whatever that means? stressed out babies taking a break heading to the spa. these places exist? they do, supposedly. >> supposedly. ♪ olive garden's latest inspiration?

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spend on the kids? >> and a lot of times, moms are doing them for themselves and it makes them feel preponderate. >> moms love them there or stay with them? >> kirsten has the last word. thank you very much, tucker. three developing stories. shinseki is out. the president accepted the va's president resignation. more on the new head of the troubled va. and a now arrest in the boston marathon investigation. the suspect due to appear in court. his connection to the brothers. and wife of casy