i'm kimberly guilfoyle and this is the fox news alert. some very big news at the white house, on two fronts. this morning, president obama announced the resignation of eric shinseki and just hours later the announcement of another resignation, his long time press secretary jay carney will be moving on. first to the changes at the v.a., here's the president earlier. >> a few minutes ago, secretary shinseki offered me his own resignation with considerable regret, i accepted. i am grateful for his service as are many veterans across the country. he does not want to be a

distraction because his priority is to fix the problem and make sure our vets are getting the care that they need. my assessment was unfortunately that he was right. >> and here is general shinseki today just a short while before the announcement. >> i was too trusting of some and i accept it as accurate reports that i now know have been misleading with regard to patient wait times. i will not defend it because it's indefensible. i apologize as a senior leader of the department of veterans affairs. >> sloan gibson was named as the acting secretary of the v.a. the political problem has now been fixed, but the issue remains that the vets have been betrayed by this administration. you remember president obama promised he would cutting the red tape. >> we're fulfilling our promise. cutting the red tape and delay.

america will not let you down. we will take care of our own. >> the question is then has america been let down? have we in fact left behind those that are most important and valuable to our country, those veterans that fearlessly serve and give so much and ask so little in return? was this enough today or was this a right move or was this going to delay some of the changes that we would hope going to be forthcoming? >> i don't think it's going to make that big of a difference, i don't. i think it's a story today because it's a big deal because so many have been asking general shinseki to step down, to say they are going to investigate crimes and there's going to be an hr change. this is just, i think, a deflection strategy. the v.a. has been funded generously by both sides and i

will call on every single veterans group stand up today and have both parties take a look at this model and consider reforming it for our veterans, right now you hear these politicians talking about veterans, we have to put them in first. we're going to investigate. lots of big promises but until they actually make it an incentive for the performance to be better for these veterans and consider actually rad kael changing and movidò9urfñ0wy;0l this model it will be the exact same thing we've seen year after year, decade after decade. >> because the current model operates as a disincentive for quality care. i know it's a sad day i'm quite certain for a war hero general shinseki who i know really wanted to honorably serve the veterans. tough day for him. >> even up until this morning, general shinseki followed through on an event that he had planned for a homeless veteran and i think because he was

trained in the military, his instinct and his training and his gut was to finish the job and to take responsibility for it. i think two main words that were important today was president obama recognized and actually uses the word distraction. he said that general shinseki understood that he did not want to be a distraction, but i don't think as you mentioned earlier the political problem goes away. i don't think necessarily that that is true. perhaps in the immediate crisis of the moment, but if you have a problem in phoenix, i imagine that when we get to the bottom of other systemic problems across the country, that it would be phoenix times multiples and then the question is one of governing. the other important word waspv'ç that general shinseki used the word apology and one of the things people have been asking for from the administration, from him in particular, was an apology for the lack of oversight. the governing part of the job in an administration particular in

a white house is one -- it's not fun, it's not sexy. it doesn't get you any self-is or hash tags, but what the white house needs to understand, especially in the last two years, if any sort of scandal bubbles up, that scandal has already happened at the agency level. by the time it gets to the white house, they already have a problem. so the management of the agencies becomes even more important in the last two years in my opinion. >> now, jesse, is this going to be enough? do you think people are satisfied? we see an interim appointment. how does this solve the problem? >> i don't think it moves it forward. this guy was in shinseki inner circle. i know he rmpled the uso. i think he was one of the managers who were accepting these quote, unquote lies from the administrators about these wait times and cooking the books. obama said something pretty stunning, he was claiming credit for all of these amazing things

that were happened. he actually caused some of these disability backlog claims himself. they loosened the requirement to get compensation for agent orange and all these things, it created a flood of new veterans claims into a system and they were not prepared. they created this wait list scandal. what they said in 2010 we're going to link bonus performances to reducing wait times to 14 days. everybody took advantage of it and started juicing the system and lying. they are responsible for two of the main components in this scandal and all of a sudden to say i'm accountable, the president said. it doesn't make any sense. i remember the left went after chris christie over bridge gate because even though he didn't order the bridge closed, it was the culture of corruption. it was this culture that infected the rest of this administration.

was it the president's culture that infected the v.a.? i mean, if you hold it to the same standard, i would love to hear your answer. >> it's interesting today too and i'm going to let bob have an opportunity to respond. i would like to take a listen at home to the president on one hand accepts responsibility and then also harkens back to the past and a former administration that he feels is responsible. >> it's my administration, i always take responsibility for whatever happens and this is an area that i have a particular concern with. this predates my presidency. when i was in the senate, i was on the veterans affairs committee. i heard firsthand veterans who were not getting the kinds of services and benefits that they had earned. >> bob? >> well, let me say a couple of things. one what shinseki denounced this morning was a series of actions on his part, including doing away with bonuses, and a number of other things, and this year

nobody got any bonuses. i'm not at all convinced that he was prepared to step down. i think his decision was made after that event this morning, and i think after he heard obama say last night we're going to have a serious conversation, he's a smart enough guy to know the writing is on the wall. that's one. two, i think it's fair to say that when obama took over, the problems in the veterans administration hospitals have gotten probably worse, as jesse points out, on the other hand you can't deny that agent orange was something people should be treated for, but also the backlog of people just getting benefits was almost a million people. that's down to virtually nothing now. that doesn't have anything to do directly with the v.a. hospital but there have been a lot of things, and veterans homeless people have been taken care of, so there's been a lot of movement on the part of the administration. regrettably, the hospital side of it has not worked well. >> when you hear the president

speak, accepting responsibility but at the same time pivoting saying it's not his responsibility, although he said he was aware of this as a u.s. senator and serving on that committee, i don't think that helped him very much. >> while this is his completely responsibility to oversee, since he is informed, it is his responsibility. every single abusive and dysfunctional issue with the v.a. system, you can find in europe with a single payer model and this is a system that republicans and democrats must call for to be dismantled because both parties have generously funded it. they get in these closed door meetings with lobbyists, they talk about reimbursements and money. obama is constitutionally incapable of seeing the reason why these two health care

systems won't work. he doesn't understand the model. this is what he believes in, the single payer system is the system for the progress sieves. >> if you put the veterans administration patients into the private health care system, the estimates of the costs over the currently buthd amount for veterans will be up to half a trillion dollars. now, if we want to pay that, if we want to turn it all over to what you consider to be an effective system, which i think country to be -- consider to be a lousy system, if you want to turn that over -- >> we spend money on funding surveys on alcoholism with prostitutes and turtle tunnels and all this crazy stuff in washington, d.c. you are saying it's too expensive to give these veterans a voucher to they can go to private hospitals and get the care that they deserve because this system is failing? >> you are putting -- first of all, i think there's nothing

wrong with reports on alcoholism and prostitution. one area i'm very familiar with, the other i'm somewhat familiar with. >> the turtle tunnel? >> you put those costs up against a half a trillion dollars then you are talking bsh. >> obamacare is a trillion bucks. >> it is in the private health care system. >> and don't you think the veterans are worth at least a trillion? >> okay. you keep talking about deficits, go ahead. >> no one has been arguing until today until they tried to do a little bit of cover up on it there hasn't been enough money, there are structural problems, this goes back decades with the congress because everybody wants to be for the veterans but the over sight and the management of it has not been up to par obviously. but it's interesting thing about this insend it at the vising once of things we complain about is government doesn't act like a business, so when you try to

have government act like a business, you have to do it all the way. you can't just do it part way. if you do it part way, then you end up with this situation. there's also an interesting thing, historically speaking at the v.a. you have not had officers being the head of the v.a. because most of the people that are being treated under the v.a. were enlisted people. they weren't necessarily officers, and so there's always a little bit of wariness between the two. there was somebody that was a g. he had been a surgeon in the army. he was a battlefield doctor. somebody like that could maybe pull all those different functions to go under one umbrella with some solid military style leadership would be good. if we don't privatize the whole thing, what if we just had dod run it, because even though that is a huge government agency, it's really the only one that works pretty well. >> there's something to be learned from that department, i think, perhaps.

>> that's a good idea. i don't think we need to privatize everything. i think this is a straw man argument here. the president said today he's prague -- bragging about spending $40 billion more. he says these computer systems are all outdated, they are from the 70s, they don't make any sense. where did the money go? the guys who created health care.gov to be in charge of the v.a. there's a doctor shortage. this is the guy who took doctors away from people through obamacare. >> the idea of privatizing, people forget that before obamacare, if you look back and say it was a wonderful system, it was a terribly managed by the insurance companies and hospitals, they functioned worth than the v.a. money hospitals -- hospitals did them.

for profit hospitals. >> you know, why because wealthy people got in first, that's why. ask yourself in these hospitals how many poor people get treated the same people who got high level insurance, the insurance companies ripped off everybody in the beginning? why are you apologizing for the insurance companies? >> let's fix the v.a., bob. why don't you attack the v.a. -- >> you can keep the v.a. and why not do charter hospitals as well, the same we do it for schools. >> i don't have a problem with that idea. i don't have a problem with the idea of -- >> why are they doing vouchers? >> it is obscene and disgraceful. >> it's not the insurance companies. it's the doctors. >> it's the insurance companies

that run it all. insurance companies have no oversight at all. they can charge what we want to charge. >> there's not enough time to rebut all of that. my instinct that government should be more humble. there should be some humility that you cannot solve every problem by the government. if this is a problem that we all agreed should be solved, then everything is on the table. maybe it's a mix of private sector solutions with some well-run government programs, or you try to bring some people to work here. we have the talent in america to try to solve this problem and we're not going to solve it here at the five. the white house are mistaken if they they they are going to get over this with the resignation of eric shinseki. when we come back, we're

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>> back now with that other resignation today in washington, after announcing shinseki's departure, president obama returned to the podium to reveal that white house press secretary jay carney is stepping down too. deputy josh ernest will take his

place. in april, jay came to me in the oval office and said he was thinking about moving on, i was not thrilled to say the at least. i will miss him a lot. i continue to rely on him as a adviser. be nice to jay on his fare well tour. be nice to josh. >> what's jay going to do now with all his spare time? >> what are you going to do? >> i might manage my son's band which is on the verge of taking off, but i haven't made any decisions yet. i've managed over the past months to have some conversations about what my future might look like and i'm scpietd by -- excited by some of the possibilities. >> well, bob, the press secretary job is one of the best experiences that anybody will

ever have. it's such an honor and jay carney has served for quite a while under this pretty excruciating circumstances but he did say through the re-election, and then he did -- i'm sorry, the 2014 election. there's been some rumors out there that he was going to go. i think i saw some relief on his face today. >> first of all, i lost my paper so i'm not sure i can deal with this -- all my research is not here but i'm going to try. first of all, carney had two problems. one, an obnoex shus bloated white house press corps. but he also had an administration with no breaks. the poor guy had to handle all this stuff. then you have a press corps that was tide up in the little room in the white house with nothing else to do but play toys and

games and that had nothing to do except call around the white house and executive building and yell at the press secretary. the worst journalists in the world are in the press corps. >> josh earnest, does he have the best name in pr? >> a lot of people don't feel jay carney was being earnest. on bob's first point on the fact that he had a really tough press corps. i disagree. i think they were lap dogs for a lot of it. i don't think that after watching dana perino having to deal with what you had to deal with. you had a lot more battle scars. >> she had lap dogs all over that place. what are you talking about. >> there was something in that clip where we played yesterday, it just looked like he was done and you know he probably wanted to leave for a while and they

didn't want him to leave because it would reflect poorly but his face between ed henry and jonathan carl. today, it looked like he had a face lift. who is the happiest guy in washington right now, it's probably jay carney? >> yeah. his wife and his children are probably going to be glad to have dad back. i stayed till the end. i think this is the other thing that's happening in the white house right now. >> look at the fox news makeover. >> good god, is that you? >> yesterday, eric bolling said i was mean and b word at the podium, and today you said i didn't look very good. which is true. this is the point, at this point in a presidency, we have two years left in a presidency, you have to ask people can they go the distance, and a lot of these

staffers are probably thinking i can make it until the very end and the president needs fresh eyes and fresh blood and josh earnest also comes with a -- >> carney overstayed his welcome. we get a little fresh blood in there. did you see when carney went to say good-bye to president obama, he went for the handshake and obama went to the hug and then he started kissing the shoulder. it was one of the most awkward thing i have ever seen two men do. okay. >> it is a little awkward. >> we did a little segment on that "the five." i think it was smart timing to do this on the same day as shinseki left. i think it sucked a little air out of there. >> i've seen you kiss bill o'reilly on a regular basis? >> you have. >> not his shoulder.

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focused on how the intruder spent his day as opposed to to how best to rescue your loved ones anden then prevent it from happening again? season the strategy -- isn't it a strategy to say i've addressed it in my book, let's move on to something else? >> it's probably a good idea. if you are a clinton, that's the way they do business. thes hoping this will put a bow on it, slide it down the table, hope it falls off and nobody talks about it anymore. dwhrong that's going to happen. it's true, bob, there are people that want to make sure that she's not in the white house. is that not a fair statement? >> that's true. >> they are going to let her write about it in the book and forget about it, let bygones be

bygones. >> on the second point she talk about i didn't want to focus on what happened leading up to it, i want to focus on how to prevent this. have they really focused on how to prevent this? they haven't brought anybody to justice and there hasn't been an explanation on what they have done to secure from future terrorist attacks? >> she says we may never know what happened. that's the line you are going to hear. everybody will be on the same page on the democratic side and they will say we may never know what happened, and that will be their way out. i do think that actually it is important to find out if you take her analogy, why the hostages were taken in the first place. i got to tell you, andrea, the answer about who pushed the video, still not answered, very murky. i understand why they released this today. she's going to do all these interviews and she wants a clean

slate. while she looks great on the book cover, i question the title of hard choices. i think it's a bad title and it's not a hopeful one and it's begrudgingly, she's going to give us the gift of running for office. >> you would think since he was a personal friend, she would want to know how the infruder got in the house. she also had some thoughts on the media. here's what she writes. she says that there has been a congressable amount of misinformation, speculation, and flat-out deceit by some in politics and the media. she weighs in on susan rice. she says that look susan stated what the intelligence community believe. >> not true. >> rightly or wrong thri at the time. that was the best that she or anybody could do. then she addressed why it was susan rice instead of her. as if appearing on a talk show is the equivalent jury duty, where one has to have a compelling reason to get out of

it. i don't see appearing on sun morning television as any more of a responsibility than appearing on late night tv. bob, are you satisfied with those answers? >> first of all, the idea that anything is infamous about those ridiculous sunday talk shows there's a small clack of people here and in washington paying attention to it. i think it was the most brilliant political chapter i have ever read. she laid it where it should be laid. everyone over dead bodies. she also answered the question about why -- quote, infamous comment she made at capitol hill. i want to say this, this is the last time i'm ever going to talk about benghazi, and i hope every other patriotic american -- >> oh, please. >> you think this will work, jesse? >> i'm going to poke holes on this whole thing. she was never interviewed by anybody, by the committee who investigated this.

what was she doing in iraq in she was ripping bush a new one the entire time we were in the iraq war? she said rice had the best intel at the time. not true. the intel community did not say it was a video. she also said they had been forthcoming about this the whole time. people have had to sue to get these documents, one of those document the memo showing that the white house pushed the video. and then she claimed it was a group of random attackers motivated by all different kinds of things, that's in direct contradiction to the bipartisan senate intelligence committee report that says it was an al qaeda-led event. i don't think this is a brilliant chapter. what are you smoking, bob? >> if you are not going to talk about it, i'm going to say about obama and hillary made a political decision about this. >> we talk about this is a good strategy for her to put all the

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and -- >> it paid off? >> i ate ramen nooddles every day. >> also from mary ann, my husband phil wants to know who you wave to at the end of every "the five" show? >> it's a secret. i can't tell. i'm not going to tell. it's somebody very special. >> all right. next one. bob. this is from stand m. what other career would bob have chosen to do if he could? >> well, i couldn't, but if i had to choose one, i think i probably would be a writer of children's books. >> are you serious? >> i'm serious. >> are you trying to get dates right now? >> i would love to do that. it would be fun. >> it -- you could still do that. this is from james c., bob,

would you rather have dinner with dick cheney on kanye east? >> i wouldn't have either one of them. i don't know who the guy is, he sounds like a thug, if his wife came along, it would be even worse, so i would say dick cheney. >> you would have fun. >> i would wear a vest. >> to dana how do you maintain such a close friendship with bob when you have such differing political opinions? >> oh, because it's just politics, and we have a kinship, bob and i, don't we? >> yes, we do. >> it's easy. everybody can do it. maybe not with bob. >> this is from jim c for da dana, being from colorado, how good a skier are you? >> i'm not a skier. my parents did not ski.

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was in college and i started working at the district attorneys office and it was invaluable and i took it from there. it also sharpened my focus and my certainty that that was the career that i wanted to pursue. >> i want to ask you your questions -- this is to jesse. do you find the people on watters world or do they find you? >> no. i do seek people out. some of the dumbest people that come up to me and say can i do an interview? they are sitting ducks. >> who is more intimidating, beckle or o'riley? >> that's not even close. >> beckle. o'reilly. >> whoa. >> you have to be the read for everyone? >> you know what, we have to go. we got to get going. ahead on "the five," phil

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president obama held the first ever concussion summit yesterday at the white house to address head injuries and safety in youth sports. nfl executives were also in attendance. the league is partnering with the government to make sports safer for kids. concussions have also been a growing issue for the nfl as well. all right. we have a very short period of time of this. obviously it's a liberal whrok, but go ahead. >> i do think it is an issue. you and i agree on the fact that the players union had the opportunity to buy safer helmets for their players and they did not. i do think it's a priority of

the president of the united states with everything going on, especially with the crisis at the v.a. hospitals. i just think it makes him look completely check out and detached. >> it's not in his job description to worry about this. >> i agree. the government cannot do anything about this. they should not do anything about this. they should let the nfl figure it out, let the market figure it out. i cannot believe that they had the president do this event today. they should have canceled that interview with kelly and michael and have him go to a v.a. hospital. >> there's always going to be concussions in football. i don't want to cyst si fie it. they took me to the hospital. i had a mile concussion or whatever and i sat out a week, but they try to do this where they fine these guys for helmet-to-helmet hits and it just didn't work. i don't know how you regulate it. i think it's almost impossible.

>> there's a lot of healthy concern on both sides of issue. i think the timing was poor today. i think they set up the president for failure in this regard because he shouldn't have been addressing a concussion summit. it was a very large news day. significant concerns should have been paid attention to. this is not what we should be focusing now on with a country. it's out of touch or misguided. >> did the football players want the government to be involved? >> i played the game for a lot of years and i had a number of concussions, which probably most people attribute to my liberalism. but the reality is this is set up in months in advance. the fact is that there are a million concussions a year. a lot of them in youth sports and public schools, they don't have the helmets they should have. if the government is going to say you have to have airbags, then certainly they can mandate larger air bubbles in football

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time now for one more thing, and we begin dana perino, you ready. >> this is the memo we've all been waiting for for two days. this is a video that dan egan took on youtube. i loved it. it's a frog on a sprinkler. take a look at this. amazing. bob, it's actually funny. it's -- i'm actually worried. >> he's right there on top -- >> he's riding it around. that's actually funny. >> i worry about his legs are going to chopped off. >> dan, i loved your video and thank you for getting in touch with me on the five. >> is this frog alive or not? >> yes. >> phil robertson, duck dynasty guy was on hannity last night,

in case you missed it. check it out. >> you think people don't understand where you are coming from? >> possibly. you know, if you had no biblical training, had no idea about the spiritual realm and just raised up in an environment where there was no god, no jesus, you know what do you expect? our job is to go out there, show them we love them, tell them the good news and we get on down the road. i would never judge or condemn anyone. i mean, the all mighty, that's his job. >> great beard. love it. >> love the whole thing. andrea, what do you got for us? >> this is the question we didn't get to for everybody. question from jan, what is always in your fridge? >> salami. >> vegetable juice. >> skim milk. >> heincke and watermelon. >> mine is champagne and fresca.

and because hannity is hanging out with the robertson's family. i will be hosting hannity. dana perino joins me. >> it's going to be awesome. >> not as good as a frog on a sprinkler. >> that frog was having a good time. >> it was very nffunny. and the national spelling bee was held and for the first time ever, there were two co-champions because the judges ran out of words and as you can imagine, where it seems like the 20th year in a row, they are indian-americans who won the spelling bee. >> and aren't they cute. i love how they celebrate and it's on espn. >> so the whole nba clipper deal, they are reviewing the deal, the sterlings have agreed to sell it and the lucky winner is microsoft chief executive, former executive, steve ballmer

for $2 billion. do you know how much money -- >> doesn't he own a football team? >> don't for get to roll your dvr so you never miss an episode of the 5. have a great weekend. "special report" is next. cleaning house at the white house. two high profile resignations in the obama administration, one expected, the other not so much. this is "special report." good evening, i'm bret baier. the obama administration looks a lot different tonight than it did when we last got together. gone is the president's veterans chief in a highly anticipated move, and on the way out his main spokesman, and something of a surprise. chief white house correspondent ed henry was in the briefing room for both nouxts. he joins us live tonight. quite a day,