>> if i'm gonna help my brain come to fruition, i'm gonna have to feed it quality nutrition. >> the especially dem i can is worse than -- epidemic is worse than thought. >> over 95% of us? you know what is in our food? >> poisons. >> then we better not eat meat. >> i haven't eat an steak ever. >> some say don't eat anything with a face.at >> there are so many different types of vegan alternatives to cheese, milk, ice cream. >> after all, it clogs up the

arteries. >> what if it doesn't? >> is everything we've been told about eating fat to date wrong?s >> food fight. that's our show tonight. >> there is lots to debate about food. we start with the newest fight, gmo food. 90% of all corn grown in america is genetically modified now. that means it grew from a seed that scientists altered by playing with its gene. the bugs so they can grow it with fewer pesticides. >> say no! >> this upset some people. gmo is not natural, they say. food companies put us and theod environment in danger by selling it. there are big campaigns to kill gmo's. here is a scene from the anti-gmo movie "seeds of death.f

>> it causes holes in the g.i. h tract and multiple organ systeme failure. >> another group made this individual quo which theyher pretend to take the point of view of an evil gmo pushing business. >> just because tests on rats eating genetically modified potatoes showed them growing slower after two or three generations and developing s fertility problems and some organ development issues, some goody two shoes scientists and whiney campaigners worry that that might happen to humans,d wh too. well, let's wait and see. >> wait and see? that sounds scary. and it is, says michael hanson of "consumer reports." but john entine of the geneticpo literacy project says it'srt sce mongering. but jonathan, seeds of death and holes in the g.i. tract, this sounds really scary. t >> there happens to be not scientific evidence that

supports this scare.>> >> there must be some. no >> not that there is any harm. we've eaten 7 trillion meals in a 17, 18 years since gmo's first came on the market. there is not one documented instance of someone getting so much as a sniffle. there has been about 2,000 studies. you can create scare stories. you can create fear of thete s unknown. if we're going to rely onar o science, no evidence. >> i got to say, i agree him.en i think "consumer reports" i scares everybody about trivial risks.on >> well, the fact of the matter is that genetic engineering is different, that it raises risks that should require assessmentdi before the crops come on the market, ands those assessments haven't been done. >> he's verging on lying because he's implying that -- i think that is strong words. he'st implying that somehow we don't have a regulatory system in place to evaluate the safetyy of gmo's.yste that's flat out wrong. >> let's back up. you say this is new and what you mean by that is for years we've

had genetic modification, but it's been done more slowly by cross breeding. >> well, no. these new techniques that allow to you move genetic materialu to between organisms that couldn't happen before. that's the technology we were talking about. not an extension of what we've been conventionally doing. >> i would think it's more precise than cross breeding, which was just they made it ands you see what you got. m >> well, it's more precise in the sense of you can move one or a few genes, but the big problem is you have no control overfe where you're inserting thato genetic material. if you can't control where you're inserting that geneticl i information, it can have different effects depending on the location. >> that's just not right. a real misrepresentation of it. let me give you an example. you probably like ruby red grapefruits. popular fruit. you can buy organic. how is that created? in a laboratory. subjecting it to radiation and

chemicals. that's organic, but one gene being changed -- >> one mutation was the stuff we like. >> one mutation out of thousands over eight years of laboratory study, now it's called organic. now we can reduce it to just one, test it in a laboratory,n evaluate its allergen, we knowlb it's safe. the european commission has saii it's safer than conventional -- >> you nodded at the grapefruit. >> the grapefruit was -- texas s ruby reds came from eradiation. all that does is create moreta variability for selection that happens naturally to happen. that's what those technologies do. the cut and paste technologies, you have no control over where that genetic material is inserting itself. there by causing unintended effects. >> if go on to the "consumer reports" web site and you go on to their area of gmo's, you see scare mongering on behalf of

that organization. they show a picture of a needle going into a fruit. that's the kind of thing you see on trash anti-gmo -- >> it is very indicative of the way they play this game. in fact, one of the ways that you transform animal cells is literally micro injection. >> that is not a picture of a micro injection that. is a scare picture. you can find it on the internet. >> it's not -- >> i give them credit. their protest is more real than the ones which got the ddp deaths. you are also more reasonable than the drug war zealots who locked people up for giving cancer patients marijuana. i say you're more reasonable because at the moment, most gmo opponents don't want to abandon them. just food labels to say whether they contain gmo's or not and celebrities are eager to point out that other places require that. >> maybe move to europe or japan if you want that right. >> or china.

>> or india. >> or a lot of countries where people have the right to know. >> you might decide not to buy food that contains gmo's. >> certain companies would lose a lot of money if you didn't buy their stuff. >> yeah, john. you're just about money. >> actually, this really isn't about money. it's about the right to know. the right to know real information that's important. the usda and other science organizations have said gmo's are absolutely the same in terms of nutritional content. there is -- >> why not label them? >> having something on that just says gmo doesn't tell the consumer anything other than it's a skull and cross bones. what anti-gmo people want, what michael hanson wants is to scare people and end the biotechnology revolution. so it has no -- >> that's not -- >> it's simply a label -- the same arguments were used when they required the labeling for fats and sugars and saturated fats. >> thank you, michael, john.

please stick around because someone else wants to tell you and me that we're wrong because we're not upset enough about chemicals. before we go to her, i will go ahead and make more enemies by pointing out that i do sometimes mock people's fear of chemicals. for example, do you worry about dihydrogen chemical that kills thousands of people? many died after inhaling the hydrogen monoxide. it rusts metals. it's been found in tumors and terminal cancer patients. sounds pretty nasty. but think about it, dihydrogen monoxide. h 20. this is water. >> i went to times square to see if i could fool people to sign a petition to ban water. it's an acid rain. would you sign this petition for me? we're trying to ban dihydrogen monoxide. would these ladies fall for it?

>> that's crazy. i never knew that it can cause tumors and severe burns. >> these football players signed. >> it sounds good to me. >> almost everyone we asked signed. >> odorless, tasteless. >> we support a ban on that. >> i kind of tricked you here 'cause think about it, you took chemistry, right? what is that? >> water. >> water. talking about water here. >> so you're banningn water? >> too much? kills people.ter, >> do not ban water. >> we don't support banningng water on this program. neither does liz, but she's upset about the chemicals in food and on her blog, she writes articles like symphony of the soil. her raw milk. the evil of chemicals like glyphosphate. you want us to buyli organic fod and you do? >> absolutely. i think organic food is a win,yo win situation. >> what is organic food? >> it kind of refers to two

different things. one is organic, the definition, that the usda has.>> and they own that term. so farmers need to go through the certification process in order to use that term. and then the other organic is used more loosely by people like me. what i u mean when i say organic is farming practices where the soil is restored andpe revitalized. >> and no pesticides? >> that's right. >> and what's wrong with that, john? >> first of all, she justid sait something that wash totally wrong. there is about 30 pages of usdao regulations of the -- >> this is my honk horn when it gets too deep in the weeds.. >> they use pesticides more than conventional farmers. many are far more harmful. they're just natural. >> come on. >> oh, absolutely.fa go on the internet. usda. bacteria and listeria -- >> i havee to agree that natural doesn't always mean less wit harmful. mrs. -- there is poison usous

mushrooms. that is one of the points of organic farming and i'm going -- when i say organic, i mean beyond the usda certification process ofaw organic where farms are look at their soils and seeing what's going on in there. >> there has been at least three studies which combine hundredsre of studies showing there is no value to -- >> i understand, but we are losing the debate. liz is winning. her message has gotten out.ba most people agreete with her. you know what organic food is. >> yes. >> what is it? >> it's like food that you eat>y that's healthy for you. >> it feels healthier. i don't know. i can feel lessfe guilty aboutel buying it. >> why that? >> that's what i hear on tv all theth time. >> you've won this debate. all >> well, good. we are seeing ththe organic secr is very fast growing segment ofr agriculture. >> why is it good if it's much more expensive and we don't know that it's better? >> again t doesn't have to beoo more expensive.

>> but it is. 90% -- >> people producing their own. so if you get a $2 packet of seeds and grow it in your yard, that's a lot cheaper. >> the i organic market, the single most part is grown in china in disgusting soil. that's becoming the staple in the organic market. sta >> really? the biggest part of the organica market? >> it's dangerously polluted, organic from china? >> it is true that there is certified products coming from china. >> am i an evil person because i admit that sometimes i do what this guy does? >> you eat organic food? >> no, i think it's overpriced. i think that the grocers are using that as a way to increase prices. my wife, she's into organicis bananas. sometimes i change the labels. i'll take the band from thean organic bananas and put it onlae the regular bananas and she

doesn't know the difference. >> there are a lot of people that recognize the taste difference and the freshness when they go and get it direct. >> so many studies show there is no taste difference and no freshness difference. freshness and taste have to do with how it's grown by an individual person and by an individual farmer. that's a fa lashes argument that the organic industry has been use to go bump up frieses and justify essentially extorting money from innocent consumers. >> last word. >> there is some people who don't recognize the taste difference. but the vast majority of peopleo do. they recognize when eating something fresh as -- >> it's not an issue of freshness. >> it is.d absolutely. >> i'd love to give themem a bln taste test. we're not going to settle this here. thank you, liz and jan. to keep this conversation goingo use #foodfight. let people know what you think. coming up, some people say don't eat anything with a face. also how michelle obama is just

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you eat too much of this.>>i fatty deposits could build up in your arteries. this increases your risk of heart disease. saturated fat can clog this pipe, imagine what it's doing to yours. >> imagine. that's the public service announcement from the british government. over the past 50 years, health authorities have told us, don'ts eat this stuff.. bacon, cheese, food cooked in butter. tastes great, but when i was a kid, my mom watched commercials like this. >> a great change in eating habits is taking place in homes

all over america. ho more and more women are usingnd both mazola corn oil and margarine. >> so if you're concerned about too much saturated fats, remember the best combination for cutting down saturated fats in the diet is mazola corn oil s and margarine. >> vegetable oils and margarine. most people switched to them. but oops, new research suggests we weren misled. saturated fat may be just fine, says this article in the "wall street journal" titled "the questionable link between saturated fat and heartqu disease." nina wrote it and you publishede a new book called "the big fat surprise." what's the surprise?e?ca >> the surprise is that" saturated fat, the kind of fat in meat, cheese, butter, eggs, turns out that it's not bad for your health and the idea -- it'h been our main dietary culprit for the last 50 years, that the evidence is never strong. >> how could it have been sold to us for all these years if itt

wasn't strong? >> well, it became basically institutionalized before it was tested. the idea that saturated fat is bad for you came from a researcher in the 1950s in the face of the heart diseasethe epidemic. researchers were panicked looking for answers. p and one scientist proposed saturated fats.ro he then got that idea implanted into the american heart association, the first anti-saturated fat guidelineurat came out in 1961. but it had never been tested when it came out. when it was subsequently tested, there were tremendous problems with those trials. researchers have since gone back and looked at the evidence and found that the evidence really was never strong. >> this is horrible because bacon is good and things cooked in butter tastes better.ooke >> that's it. these foods are delicious and they're also good for health. we believe literally that the fat in that bacon would become the fat in our bodies and clog up our arteries. >> it won't? the

>> it seems like so much common sense. like how could that not be true? but it will not -- the evidence that saturated fat leads to heart disease is just completelt dissolved. >> two big studies have come out and said wait a second. we can't show this is bad. >> two groups of scientists looked at the entire history ofk all the evidence against saturated fats and concluded that it's worse to eat carbohydrate, a big dinner of pasta than meat, butter, cheese dairy, eggs. >> and that's what americanshat did, switched to pasta. >> we do. we eat 11% less saturated fats and we switched from meat-based dinners to having pasta andurat grains. we've just gone too farar in thr direction. >> let me push back at you. we contacted the heart association. we stand by the guidelines thatn saturated fats could hurt yourie

heart while polyunsaturated fats may help them. >> yes. the american heart association and the national institute of health, it's awkward for them to say that they were wrong for alh these years and -- >> i'll bet. >> institutions are like the opposite of good science. they can't flip flop on theirf o public. it needs t to be doubting it se. it's hard for institutions topul stay on top of the science andl do good science. o >> the food pyramid, it's all go about carbohydrates, eat lots of them. stay away from meat, saturated fat, whole milk. >> that bottom slab of the food pyramid has been over 60% of our diet should be bread, pasta, whole grains. r in thatfted too fa direction. >> i haven't had whole milk for 20 years. >> not only that, sat saturated fat is essential. you can't digest the minerals.

saturated fat is good for healti and has many biological functions so go ahead. h >> i hope you're right. coming up, katie couric now wants government to force us to eat better. the epidemic is worse than previously estimated. much worse.ere >> over 95% of all americans will be overweight or obese in two decades. >> also, not only is this bacon filled with saturated fat, it'se made from pigs and some people s say don't eat anything with a face. that's's next at anything with a face. that's next. wondering what that is? that, my friends, is everything. and with the quicksilver card from capital one, you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you purchase. not just "everything at the hardware store." not "everything, until you hit your cash back limit." quicksilver can earn you unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you could possibly imagine. say it with me -- everything. one more time, everything! and with that in mind...

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making a difference in the world is really easy. >> how do you make a difference? don't eat meat. don't eat anything with a face. this will help animals, the environment, and yourself, they say. some go further. they also cut out eggs, dairy products and honey 'cause it comes from bees. these are vegans. >> there are so many different

types of vegan alternatives to cheese, milk, ice cream, to butter, to whatever it is. >> she joins us now. whitney runs a web site called eco vegan gal and did he have israeli one. but rob wolf wonders why. he eats plenty of meat. you look healthy. he's the author of "the paleo solution" and says meat is healthy. hity, you first. >> i personally feel that eating meat is unnecessary given all of the -- >> it tastes good. >> so do plants. >> i always find it ironic that the vegans try to turn nonvegan sources into things that look like tofu and stuff like that. clearly there is a drive that wu want some sort of meat basedderw product. >> this was said to oprah. >> i haven't made a steak ever i don't think.ad >> so you are vegan. >> yeah.

>> so is jennifer lopez who recently said, i recommend the vegan diet because you wake up and feel great. ellen degeneres and natalie portman had vegan weddings. al gore came out as vegan. tia mowery cut this for peta. >> when you tend to eata meat, it's rather filling and full, extremely acidic, full of fatll and clogs up the arteries. >> yeah, rob. you paleo folks push lots of fol meat. >> really when you look at themt literature on the diet, the proceed dominance is vegetables. fruit, routes, nuts, tubers, seeds. it's about 60% of the calories should come from fruits and vegetables. >> guardian reports that french vegans face trial after theat death of a baby fed only breast millioning from a vegan mom.om clearly it's not enough for everyone to live. >> i disagree. there are so -- there is so much evidence of the vegan diet.

the plant-based diet beingence healthy for pregnant women and for their children while they'ro breast-feeding. this particular case, they were actually being fed soy milk and replaced breast milk. so it wasn't a nutrient rich and the right diet for that baby. >> you say it's so healthy. all this stuff is vegan certified, right? >> i don't eat that stuff. doesn't mean healthy. >> it doesn't. that's why i'm an advocate for a whole foods plant based diet.hel not just the vegan diet. this is something that we actually agree on a lot is getting back to eating whole foods that are nutrient dense.ng >> most of these things aree. american heart association endorsed. goofy. >> this is not a healthy diet. >> most americans are eating more processed foods, have been over the past years doing the opposite pretty much of what each ofd you say in your own particular diet. we're livingch longer. so maybe you're both out to lunch. >> the projection is by 2030, we will spend 300% of gdp on

managing obesity. >> you say they get fat because. they don't eat enough meat? >> all these foods are processed foods, which started driving the obesity epidemic. >> i'll give you the last word. some of the things you say ared. you are healthier and happier being a vegan? >> makes youal happy? >> yeah. >> i'm happy eating junk food. >> we might have like a sugaro high from it, but if we want long-term health and happiness,w eating foods can make a huge difference that affects our hormones. >> i totally agree on that. >> yeah. this is something that we can easily agree on between seeingen and paleo is reducing the processed foods. >> and we probably both disagrep on the hotro dog. >> yeah. >> and you say don't eat anything with a face? this doesn't have a face. >> well, it did have a face. a you might not be able to see the face anymore, but there was a nt face involved there. that's probablyab the reason why people still eat meat. they've not seen what's actuallh

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in america. 80% of them have added sugar. your brain lights up with sugar like it does with cocaine orgh heroin. you'll become an u addict. >> you end up with one of the great public health epidemics of our time. >> the public health epidemic of our time, the last guy was a former f.d.a. commissioner who has his own battles with weight, david kessler. like many government officials, he's eager to ban things for you and if it's government's job tor protect public health, why not ban certain foods, bad foods? let's ask the person who runs keep food legal organization. food is legal. >> less and less so, i guess in recent times. we have soda ban in new york city and transfat bans. >> proposed in new york city. >> proposed in new york city. nw currently in the courts.. used to be that they fought polio and smallpox, did things they were supposed to do. now they're fighting against food choices. next they'll tell us when weoice should go to sleep. >> i call them the totalitarian

left. but they have a good cause. katiee couric somehow says over 95% of all americans will be overweight or obese in two decades. how can they make a statement like that. s >> only 95%? >> yeah. i don't know where the science comes from. but i'm pretty sure it's not from scientists.know >> here is one part of her movie that we could both agree with. >> the sugar industry is extraordinarily powerful. they're inhe business to makeao money. not to keeprd america healthy. >> they're in business to make money. what a shock. i guess mainstream news people. >> it's horrific. you have newspaper people. you have members of the publicae health community who are also in business to make money, but somehow when it's a food company and the food company happens to be big, it becomes terrible. >> and they are powerful in one way. they do keep their subsidies.he >> right. yes. subsidies are a huge problem. that's actually one that thisat movie doesn't even get to until

an hour into its 90 minutes. >> and the subsidies, we just give money to these sugar companies? >> give money to sugar companies, to farmers to grow things like corn in excess, which then gets turned into high fructose corn syrup. we're essentially giving money to farmers and companies to make all this sweetener and punishing consumers for consuming it.ner >> america's first lady recently explained that even if kidsnsum don't want to eat so-called healthy food, america is going to give it to them anyway. >> no child wants to brush theie teeth or go to the doctor for shots, but we make them do these things anyway because these are the norms for keeping our kids healthy. >> and in case kids didn't get the message, she broke into rap. ♪ if i'm gonna help my brain come to fruition ♪elp ♪ i'm gonna have to feed it quality nutrition ♪ ♪ role my chick machine a wrap ♪ don't jam it in a nugget i ♪ get hype for snacks get.

♪ fresh food ♪ we love it >> then we got the hungry, healthy hungry free kids act. how is that work out? t >> it's sort of like the hunger games for schools. creating mountsens of food waste. kids don't want to eat the food, so they're throwing it away.ey'r it's wasting untold millions of dollars and kids hate it. >> one food service directorre said waste pitch is up 20%.ge some kansas high school students hated the new food so much, they got their principal's permission to make this complaint video. ♪ i know i gave up on food months ago ♪p ♪ i know i'm trying to forget ♪ but between the milk and feta cheese the pangs in my tummy ♪ ♪ i'm trying hard to find the time ♪ ♪ to go to breakfast and youou feel like sitting down ♪

♪ i'll carry you home ♪ tonight >> that parody has over a million hits on youtube. what's not a parody is that aats million children dropped out ofo the free lunch plan because of these new lunch plans. and -- >> instead of potato chips, kale chips. >> gross! >> not gross! in fact, iiv brought some with . you both should try one. >> ha, ha, and all that. the truth is that kids are throwing food u. one school dietation said all sieve healthy trash cans.thy >> yeah. there are mountsens of food waste.un this hunger-free school act is creating more hungry kids. >> so bottom line, what's mr. food freedom, what's your answer?

>> well, food freedom is the right to grow, raise, produce, share, cook, eat and drink the foods of one's own choosing and that's it. get the government out of subsidizing food and out of banning food and regulating food and let people make their owng o decisions. >> but some will make unhealthy decisions. >> they make those anyways and there is lower costs when we get to make our own choices. >> thank you. let's keep food legal. coming up, isn't it smart to eay locally? everyone says so. sma everyone is wrong.

will you lend me your ear! >> it's local and eco friendly 'cause it didn't have to travel far to get here. by eating local, your food will

always be green. >> eat local. the latest food trend. if you buy food that doesn't have to travel far to get to you, it's better for the environment. it tastes better. it's better for you. and it supports local merchants. >> is it good to eat l locally?t >> local, g yeah. you should support small businesses. >> local isca fresher, more nutrients. you're encouraging local jobs. >> 100-mile radius. i think it's really cool. >> really cool. and the benefits seem logical.o. local food must be greener because it doesn't travel as b far. but pierre, author of a book says we have it all wrong. s if you want to help the planet, eat globally. what do you mean? >> i mean that not so long ago we used to consume mostly local food and then the steam ships came along, the railroad came along and food naturally migrated out of cities and in locations where they were better suited to the local environment.

so instead of payingit a lot for let's say cucumbers grown in green houses in new york city, g suddenly they were grown further south in the united states. much more plentiful, much more available and in the end, your body cares about the nutrients and the vitamins you eat. they don't care where your food comes from. >> but the nutrients are depleted when trucked up from florida to where i live.from >> well, no, not at all because modern conservation technology ensures that as soon as things aren coming out of the field, if they're packaged properly, frozen right away -- >> what if they're fresh?ight >> it's not because you buy: wh something at your local farmerse market on a saturday that it wasn't picked on a tuesday, for example, and then put in a fridge for several days. and we can truck things over long distances very efficiently and quickly. why do we import apples from chile or new zealand? because in the southern hemisphere, seasons are inverted. they pick their apples in march

or april. they arrive in your supermarket maybe two weeks later. they're definitely fresher, less losses to spoilage. so at certain times of the year, new zealand apples are much the better for the environment than neww york apples. >> and the giant farm that maybe far away is actually moreian environmentally efficient than my local farmer?s >> small is beautiful, but bigger is often better. you can use imports more efficiently. you can specialize. it's kind of difficult to run af tractor on the roof top in new york city. so if you buy large volumes, if you invest in the type of crops that grow well in larger quantities, then yeah, oa course. bigger is better and better for the environment. big >> but they talk now about foodt miles, the distance from farm to fork and the one person i interviewed talked about the i 100-mile diet, the sub title ofm your book is in phrase of the 10,000-mile. >> that's because in the end, you can not define nature. long distance transportation is

120th of the foot print of d other production conditions. if you want to grow things in an area where you need to bring irrigation water, more humiditye and you need more pesticides, growing things in the best location where the environment might be a bit drier when nature provides to eat free of charge, it matters more. >> the farming is much more energy intensive than shipping. >> yes. >> buying local saves local jobs. s >> it saves inefficient local jobs and the problem is if you pay more for your food, then you have less money left to spend on other things.a so if you keep inefficient farmer in business, let's say you pay twice as much more foody then you have less money to go to the localal movie, to buy otr things, and overall, buy paying more for your food, you destroy more jobs than you create. >> who knew? thank j you. coming up, i'll give away $2,500 to two high school students

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right now there are 23.5 million americans, including 6.5 million children, who live in what we call food we deserts.all >> food deserts. kids from poor neighborhoods get fat because there is littleki healthy food near their homes. there are lots t of fast food

joints selling fatty food.f but few supermarkets selling fresh fruit and vegetables. no wonder many poor people don't eat well. >> we're setting people up fordo failure if we don't fix this with a modest initial investmeni of $400 million a year. >> modest initial investment of $400 million a year. to government, i40 guess that's modest and they proudly say they used your money to support private sector financing ofpriv healthy food options. in other words, taxpayer bribes to certain supermarket chains and this brought wonderful things like in pennsylvania, 68 grocery stores to under served communities. food deserts is an article of faith among the big government set. it still a is, even though aftei michelle got your millions, the "new york times"ho reported thae two new studies found that yes, poor neighborhoods had nearlyo twice as many fast foods restaurants and convenient

stores. but they also had nearly twice as many supermarkets and large scale grocers. food deserts areke a myth. so do taxpayers get their money back? no. it'srs government. they never stop taking yourvern money. the government will spend more this year to, as they put it,mo finance food options. it's so mindless, so stupid and useless. i would despair for our future were it not for my periodic n exposure to young people who gee it, who are much wiser than today's political elites. my nonprofit offers school i teachers free videos that introduce students to economicsf this year we ran an essay contest inviting students toear write on the topic "food nannies, who decides what you eat." inti class, many students had watched a show i did called "myths, lies and complete stupidity" which included interviews with people like theh state legislator who wants the w government to ban salty food. >> we find if you have an

alternative an option. >> where do you get off sayingg you're giving us more choice?on. you're banning things. you're giving us less choice. >> let me just say, you're absolutely right.ce? i'm trying to ban the stuff that is not good for the consumer. >> you're a bully. f >> i've been called worse. >> after watching that andwo discussing similar topics with w their teachers, 7,000 students entered essays and the winners were just smart. here is a sample. the congress shall have thele power to regulate the mixing, baking, serving, labeling, and consumption of food. did james madison's secretarylln forget to copy this provision into the constitution? the student who submitted that essay is 16-year-old caroline klassen from zenia christian school in ohio.uson she win has trip to new york an $1,000. and since i was sotc depressed after learning we all have to pay for michelle obama's food scheme, i want to cheer myself up by talking to someone smart.

so caroline, welcome. >> thanknk you. >> you've been watching thisnk y show. are youu amazed as i am about what they want to do? >> it almost seems like they're confused about what our problems that they need to fix, the government needs to fix, and personal problems that they should have no right. >> we need to fix among our self. you think we have enough food information, we don't need government help?od >> i mean, in our generation, among the young people, if wemog want to know something and if we want to know how to lose weight, we just google it. we look it up on the internet. and if people don't want to listen to that information, then they may pay for the consequences, but they value the taste of unhealthy food and that's okay. >> let me read something else youut' wrote. the privateay sector promises economic prosperity, but can it guarantee a country of carrot country flat bellies? capitalism was never designed to achieve utopia. what do you say there? >> well, i mean, it is true that

maybe if the government said are that we could only eat healthytr food, maybe our country would be healthier. maybe we would all be skinny. but i mean, that isn't freedom. i mean, some people would rathe. eat unhealthy food than be skinny. i mean, that's their choice. that should be their choice. >> well, thank you, caroline. i'm glad you respect freedom. our first place winner, she's even younger. 15-year-old madeline peltzer. she's home schooled by her parents in arizona. she titled her essay "food fight, give me liberty, not a nanny."iz we like thaton title and made fd fight the title of tonight's show. so madeline, congratulations. i asked the same question.ratu food information, where are you going to get it if not from government telling us? >> you can go down to the public library and it's free or likeiba caroline said, googling it. there is plenty of resources fol it. >> you're holding this book, which at your house you use for

guidance? >> it's called "eat this, not that." they look at all these differenn restaurants and comparing andret contrasting the good and bad choices there. >> like? >> mcdonald's here. they show on this side they have eat this, which is mcdouble.at and versus the grilled chicken club sandwich, which is on the not that side. they show why and healthy choices and tips. >> it's confusing if you thinkth chicken is better than beef.john they say it's not. so it is all out there. the market responds to this without government telling them what to do. some restaurants change their behavior.heir >> yes. olive garden and others are some that have actually gotten rid of some of their very high calorie, high fat, high sugar items anda, responded to the market and demanding that they change things because of these books.se >> thank you, madeline. thank you, caroline. and thank you all you students m and teachers has stossel in the classroom. thanks for being wiser than michelle obama and most

bureaucrats in state capitolsha and washington. that's our show o for tonight.be see you next week. we begin with a fox news alert. we are right now awaiting remarks from president obama on the surprise release of captured army sergeant bowe bergdahl. new details are coming on the role that u.s. special forces played in ushering the only american soldier held captive in afghanistan to safety. and this amid new questions tonight about the administration negotiating with terrorists and releasing those accused gitmo terrorists to get sergeant bergdahl back. hello, everyone. welcome to brand-new hour of america's news headquarters. i'm eric shaun. >> i'm arthel neville. officials say bergdahl was turned over as part of a deal negotiated with