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that's it for now. this is mike huckabee. stay tuned for justice with judge jeanine. hello. welcome to justice. before my open, breaking news tonight. after nearly five years as a captive of the taliban, u.s. army sergeant bowe bergdahl is free. jennifer has the details on the release. >> the president appeared alongside his parents. >> while bowe was gone, he was never forgotten. his parents thought about him and prayed for him every single day. as did his sister sky, who prayed for his safe return. he waubl forgotten by his
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community in idaho or the military which rallied the support of the bergdahls through thick and then. and he was not forgotten by his country. because the united states of america does not ever leave our men and women in uniform behind. >> the president spoke to bowe's parents today once bowe was safely in the u.s. hands. >> we will continue to stay strong while he recovers. thank you. >> i would like to say to bowe right now who is having speaking english. i am your father, bowe. >> his father has been learning pashtu. it has been in the works to trade five git moe prisoners for the only living prisoner of war. a helicopter filled with several dozen navy s.e.a.l.s land near the pakistan border in eastern afghanistan. they were met by 18 armed
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taliban. no shots were fired. the transfer took place about 10:30 eastern. he was a bit disoriented and confused. he took a pen and wrote on a paper plate, writing instead of talking because it was so loud on the helicopter. sf question mark? meaning special forces? the s.e.a.l. sitting with him responded loudly over the noise of the rotor blades saying yes, we've been for you for a long time. bergdahl reportedly broke down crying. according to senior u.s. forces, he was in a weakened state. had lost some weight but he could walk on his own. he was held by the haqqani for four years and ten months. he walked off base and went missing in june 2009 at his base. we are seeing growing anger from republican congressional leaders who have oversight over the armed forces and intelligence committees. they say the president did not inform them of the transfer of prisoners from git moe as is required by law.
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judge? >> thank you. >> the only person p.o.w. in afghanistan, bowe bergdahl, has been releesd. part of a 5 for 1 prisoner swap after five years in captivity. with me now, retired colonel tony schafer. good evening, colonel. 5-1. is that a good deal? >> i don't think it is a good deal in vegas. we've lost all leverage and one of the things we're talking about, the administration has been talking about is trying to use these five, the git moe leverage. two reasons it is wrong. we've given up at least two of these taliban are actually al qaeda which mean they're terrorists. secondly, because we gave all five away, we literally have no leverage left. when you put i think together, there were other ways to negotiate this. >> what are the other options?
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>> one of the things noted by jennifer is that he was actually held by the haqqani network in pakistan. pakistan had a lot bigger role than the u.s. government is willing to admit. that leads me to the next option which is military. one of the things i noted is that the white house was fearful of a military option. we could have done a similar raid as we did with bin laden. the problem was going into pakistan. that's why it was not considered. >> but we did it with bin laden. why would we give away five gitmo detainees for one american? >> it was sloppy thinking. to quote president obama, what we're doing here is actually laying the ground work. like woodrow wilson did to lead into world war ii. we're not supporting the afghan government. these five individuals will help undermine the very central government president obama said he is trying to help. and more importantly i don't recollect trust qatar who these
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prisoners have been released to. even if they're not in the field, this is a propaganda victory for the taliban. this will strengthen them and these five individuals can do thing from qatar. >> there is no question this is a victory for the taliban. by the way i thought we didn't negotiate with the enemy but apparently we do. more importantly, when we release these five to qatar, a what makes us think they're staying there? these people are determined to kill americans. >> that's my point. the government of qatar has said we will guarantee they will not leave qatar. we'll see. >> how can they do that? >> i don't know. they said they will restrict their travel which means they'll be free. so if you have guys running around doing things, they can start increasing their ability to command and control from qatar, also destabilizing pakistan further. so i don't think the president is thinking of this seriously. this was a short term gain. yes, god bless bowe bergdahl for
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being back with his family. i'm glad he's bafblg but there are some long term failures on the horizon. again, we've lost our leverage over the taliban. the very thing they're trying to achieve. >> this week in a speech at the west point, the president said, you know, he's so proud. he will continue to push to close gitmo because american values and traditions don't permit the indefinite detention of people beyond our borders. it sounds like he just used this as an excuse. >> these five individuals were covered under the authorities use of forceful we had the rights to try them militarily. this is what i don't get. they had blood in their hands. they were involved in at least one cia officer's death. a couple of them were involved in killing innocent civilians. we had the goods on these guys. they should have been tried. i don't understand why they're being released into the wild and to go into combat against us. >> all right.
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so lieutenant colonel tony schafer. thank you for being with us. >> now to my open. ever get sick? call the doctor? no answer? when they do open, you can't get an appointment. but they'll get back to you. and then they never do. because your name went in the garbage can. you get sicker. you know you're dying. you wait. but no doctor. because you were put on a death list when your name went in that garbage can. welcome to barack obama's america. where corruption scandal and lawlessness reign. where truth, justice and integrity went right into that same garbage can and make no mistake, you're next. folks, it ain't going to get better. get ready because obamacare will do the same to you. yesterday, v.a. secretary
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shinseki resigned. so do i feel better? no. wiring back our dead veterans? no. will it bring soleace to their families? no. not to worry. the president is on it. he'll make everyone accountable. he will take away their 2014 bonuses. really? god help us. yet the president bemoans that shinseki resigned because he is, quote, a champion of veterans. quote, a very good man. well, mr. president, with all due respect, you're wrong. a good man would have said mr. president, our soldiers are not just dying in foreign countries. they are dying here in america. a champion of veterans would have said, mr. president, our soldiers are not dying on the battlefield but in our union-run veterans hospitals. what is that?
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shinseki didn't know? that's hog wash and you know it. the law required shinseki to receive those i.g. reports. 51 of them. the government accountability office, the i.g., the american legion, the press, and veterans themselves for years raised the issue of long wait time. what the hell was shinseki doing? playing golf with you? now in 2007, even you before you became president, knew of these problems. >> no veteran should have to fill out a 23-page claim to get care or wait months, even years to get an appointment at the v.a. >> your recommended? shorten the patient wait time to 14 days. and give unions bonuses for doing so. he document destruction becomes
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the norm and these crooks can't be fired. yet veterans are forced to die because of interminable wait times. and don't give me this hog wash that there was a doctor shortage and that you can't hire doctors, and don't even try the budget game. the increase in the veterans budget has been astronomical and far exceeds the increase in the number of veterans. and don't tell me it is a computer glitch. and that you need to upgrade your record keeping. the death of a veteran is more than a glitch. is not it amazing though that every time you run for office, your computer systems and your campaign website works flawlessly. when it comes to us, those pesky computers, well, they just don't work. you knew, shinseki knew, and
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everyone in the v.a. knew. my remedy, a federal investigation with you and eric holder totally out of it because of the conflict of interest. or the designation of at least a special prosecutor. the crime? criminally negligent homicide, involuntary manslaughter, falsifying records, obstruction of justice, tampering with evidence, obstruction by intimidation of the whistle blowers. your veterans administration was an organized criminal enterprise where veterans because of intentional wrongdoing on the part of the v.a. employees, were left to die. that intentional wrongdoing premised on the oldest of motives. greed. this corruption and your intentional refusal to right this tragedy has brought disgrace on our nation and
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should be an impeachable offense. 40 deaths in one hospital in one city alone is too much. you say everything is a trumped up scandal. benghazi, the irs, the a.p., wiretapping, the secret service, mr. president, we are weary of your faked outrage and your claim that bad news just doesn't get to you. mr. president, why don't you just admit that this job is too much for a community organizer. try saying this was trumped up by your political rivals. and that's my open. coming up, a whistle blower. and vote in tonight's insta-poll. should veterans be allowed to get health care at private hospitals.
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with me now, dr. katherine mitchell. she is a whistle blower who tried to expose this scandal but was repry imagined and was put on administrative leave by the v.a. you tried to expose the scandal. you were put on administrative leave. what did you witness that made you come forward? >> actually, i was working on a project to decrease the number of suicides in the phoenix v.a. although our rate is below the national level, our rates of suicide have doubled. i was going through charts trying to figure out what special things we could have put in place to stack the cards in the veterans' favor so they wouldn't have committed suicide. in so doing i found some really disturbing trends and then i found out that the facilities' response to the trends had been
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lacking, to say the least. and then i went to all my friends, filing an oig complaint. they're supposed to keep your name confidential and usually they don't. so i figured if it wasn't going to be confidential, i might as well make a big enough complaint that it had a chance of making some chanss. i went to all my friends in every area of the hospital and pulled the most life threatening or serious issues for, to include in the complaint. >> well, we know that 22 veterans a day are committing suicide. so this is really a sense of urge ency when they can't see someone almost immediately. correct? >> correct. actually, they need to have regular mental health appointments. and currently the phoenix v.a. does not have the mental health appointments available for anyone seeking intense care. they did not deal with the hidden delays in mental health
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treatment and i'm hoping that will be in their final report. >> but doctor, when you were actually repry imagineded and put on administrative leave, i mean, what did you think? >> i assumed my v.a. career was over. it is not unusual for the v.a. to make up things and sabotage a physician's contrary for bringing things forward. it is not just at phoenix v.a. it is across the country. >> excuse me. was this common knowledge that this is what was happening? did the i.g. speak to you about this? >> the i.g. speak to me for about two hours. but you'll have to clarify which this you're talking about. >> well, the fact that you were being repry imagineded, put on administrative leave for telling them what the truth was. >> i told them. they didn't necessarily ask me those questions. they were more interested in how i hid documents the night before they were to -- >> let's talk about that.
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you say you have direct knowledge of evidence being destroyed. talk to us about that. >> what happened was an employee called to ask my help. the new employee appointment request, or near list is something every time a veteran requires a new appointment it generates a computer fingerprint. this list pulls all the finger prints together and you can tell the exact date when a patient requests an appointment. and then how long it has been since they actually had their first appointment. the near list is run for each of the clinics. the downtown clinics, the oig report, the interim report was extremely desemiive when it talked about the waiting times on the near list. i know what the near list was. i helped hide it. >> doctor, doctor, is what you're saying is that the i.g. was actually not being clear on what was going on and was
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slanting it in favor of the v.a.? >> correct. >> wow! >> the phoenix downtown clinics' near list, the waiting time started at 477 days. and worked its way down. there are roughly 55, 56 patients per page. i don't believe it dropped down to the levels in the hundreds that the oig report was talking about until somewhere after page 8 or page 9. >> all right. dr. mitchell, i think you'll agree this is something for a criminal investigation. would you not? >> yes. >> doctor mitchell, thank you so much for what you've done for being a whistle blower. the veterans thank you as well. thank you. >> thank you for having me on. and coming up, more fallout from the v.a. scandal. they all say they didn't know. do you believe it? that's next. w $
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more outsxrag disbelief in the v.a. scandal. sadly, no hearing will change the state of the vets who have died waiting for care. with me now, good evening, congressman. you are not only a congressman, you are a physician, a veteran, you questioned the v.a. officials in the phoenix scandal. i don't know if you heard this, congressman, but dr. mitchell just told us, and i don't think you've even heard this. that the i.g. was intentionally slanlting reports to favor the veterans administration. what do you think of that? >> i just heard it when you had the interview. i am completely disenchanted to
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think she is considered a whistle blower, she should be considered a hero that there is that little virtue within the system. within the administration of the v.a. that somebody come forward with something so bad about, giving care, nonetheless. that this is where we are. that she is repry imagineded. i would like to say it is not true but she knows what she's talking about. >> she does. >> another whistle blower who wouldn't fake the records? so they suspended her for several weeks? how corrupt is this? can we believe anything the v.a. has said? >> it is so unbelievable. it is so the opposite of the private sector. first of all, anybody does that in the private sector, they're going to lose their job. their group will get rid of them. in a private hospital they won't have wait lists. they will have ways to get those patients seen and taken care of
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because that's what their livelihood is depending on. if it depends on a short list and you can bury it, that's a problem. >> a short list and you can bury it and you can make cash at the same time. because these v.a. hospitals are unionized. so it is almost as if there's mo flowing to the unions. i'm a prosecutor for 30 years. the last thing i want to say is that an inspector general is slanting something in favor of the accused. but this requires a federal investigation by the fbi, and special prosecutor. do you not agree with that, congressman? >> i agree. i will tell you if the house v.a. committee, bipartisan effort is being made to make sure we get to the bottom of this. and i'll tell you what. this isn't just about getting rid of shinseki. you have to change the entire culture. there are four doctors on that committee and we met privately with those that are supposed to be measuring quality and efficiency. and this was before this broke. and they're talking about an
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entire culture. slight i am. this is not how it is supposed to work. >> i hope you get to the bottom of it. when you do, i don't know what you're going to do. what we need to do is have the feds, the fbi, the united states attorney, not eric holder get to the bottom of it and start sending people to jail. >> well, there are very few people you can trust in the federal government today. so we really do need to dig. you're hitting the nail on the head, judge. >> all right. what was going on in phoenix? no secret in washington. you know it and we all know it. why do you think it took so many to die to get attention now? >> that i can't answer you. i don't know. i think sometimes the voice of veterans is just unheard. at least within that community. it is absolutely horrible. these are people that, at a time in their life, they have moved on a moment's notice to hem this country. >> real fast. do you believe that a
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government-run and funded health care facility can work? is privatization the answer to this? >> i think so. i really do. in so many regards. i asked the doctor before he resigned, i said do you think you could operate at medicare rates or 105% of medicare rates and be in the black and pay all your bills? he said yes. we negated that because we know how much more fishlt private practice is than the v.a. >> congressman, thank you so much. coming up, new details in the release of army sergeant bowe bergdahl. vogel.
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now back to judge jeanine. breaking news. after nearly five years as a captive of the taliban, u.s. army sergeant bowe bergdahl is now free. with me, two of the friends of sergeant bergdahl, his friends stephanie and sue. he worked for you for two years. how do you feel now? >> i'm jubilant. i'm very excited. i'm extremely grateful for everybody involved. it has been a long road. >> how did you find out he was coming home? >> i was on my way to take my grand kids fishing and i got a phone call that i might want to turn around and come back. >> so he heard it on the news. all right. stephanie, i'm going to you. >> my daughter heard it on the news. >> okay. >> stephanie, let me ask you
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this. you watched, i'm sure, bowe's president with president obama a few hours ago. do you know when he is coming home? do you know when you're going to be able to see him? >> we don't. i don't think that's known at this point. we're hopeful that it will be in the next 30 days or so. >> right. we know he is going to germany and then hopefully coming home. have you spoken to the family, ladies? >> i have not spoken to them since the news broke today. >> all right. and what are you going to tell bowe when you see him? either of you? >> oh, i'm really grateful that he was strong enough to just hang in there any way he could. and he is coming home. and i think he needs to know that there is so much support available for him here in the valley and nationwide as well.
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>> and i'm going to tell him that his parents -- >> go ahead. that his parents never wavered once in their support. and they always knew their son was coming home to them. >> and it sounds like his friends didn't waver either. >> not a bit. >> thanks so much for being with us. with me now, the former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. john bolton. he come back, one for five. we give them five gitmo detainees, high edge taliban. a good deal? >> i know people are happy that bergdahl is being released, that's understandable. the president has sent the taliban an unmistakable signal that he will pay any price to get the united states out. that's a signal that's bad for taliban and al qaeda to hear and our adversaries around the world. and perhaps even worse, it is
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despicable for a president of the united states to grant morning equivalence to these terrorists and gitmo compared to an american service member. the idea that there is any equivalence at all between an american soldier and a terrorist i think is reprehensible. yet that's what he's done by traigd terrorists for a prisoner of war. >> ambassador, it is even worse. the idea that these guys are going to qatar and qatar will make sure they never get out to attack us after we know that they've attacked us or been involved in attacks us on. we know that we jail them and i'm sure they're not happy about that. so he is putting us in jeopardy, is he not? >> he is. for example, the president tried to appeal to those who care about military p.o.w.s by saying he never leaves a soldier on the battlefield. what if the taliban tomorrow kidnap a foreign service officer. kidnap an american civilian, a missionary, a businessman in
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afghanistan. do we forget about them because they're not members of the military? of course not. when you put a praise on sergeant bergdahl, you put a price you'll americans. >> and teeing it up for americans to be abducted. >> if the taliban had said give us $100 million and we'll give you bergdahl, of course not. they say give us five terrorists and we do? that is both negotiating with terrorists and moral equivalence. both bad mistakes by the president. >> the idea that we release five for one. was there ever a thought that we, a rule that we would have one or two released and make sure they didn't return to militancy? >> the idea that they're going to a third country is simply not a protection at all. the qataris will release them or find a way to get out. you can almost guarantee that. i think the real problem is that the signal the president is
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sending, he wants out of afghanistan as soon as he can. and i think the taliban know that. even worse, the civilians in afghanistan who have fought with us. who have tried to oppose the taliban. women who want thing like education. now recognize the united states under barack obama is scuttling out of that country. >> all right. i'm going on shift for a moment. you heard what that whistle blower doctor said to me a few minutes ago basically saying that the inspector general in the v.a. scandal actually was slanting reports in favor of the veterans administration. to me that's shocking. no one has ever said that before. >> that's the first i've heard. having been in government service in several different departments, this is an extraordinarily serious charge that is being made. i cannot underline that enough. if it is true, it is just, i think, part of a much larger pattern of criminal activity that we got here. we really are, as you've been
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saying, we need a justice department investigation here and we need it right now before the records are destroyed. >> and we know that records have been destroyed and that was the whistle blowers. now i need to play some sound from this president's speech at west point. >> i would betray my country to you and the country we love if i ever sent you into harm's way simply because i saw a problem somewhere in the world that needed to be fixed. >> ambassador, isn't that what he did in benghazi? >> exactly. the president's policy internationally is incoherent. and he used to talk about the responsibility to protect. remember that? that lasted one time in the case of benghazi when we were in the process of overthrowing gadhafi. he put a red line on the use of chemical weapons by the assad regime in syria and ignored his own red line. and that at bottom is the problem with the president. he doesn't care about foreign
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policy, he doesn't understand it. it is inco-heernlt. >> it is. he talks out of both sides of his mouth. let's take another classic line from the president. >> america must always lead on the world stage. >> does he really believe we're leading anything? >> only in terms of his views of climate change and cooking stoves in third world countries. this is the kind of rhetoric, particularly to graduating seniors, whether they've made a bad career choice. >> actually saying that to these west point cadets who are about to devote their lives to the military. >> i think he is his own oughtence. he when he says it, he doesn't care what happens next. >> let's listen to the president's plan to combat terrorism. >> i'm calling on congress to support a new counter terrorism
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plan. >> ambassador, how do you facilitate partner countries when you disour allies. >> he will fund that by the money he'll save in afghanistan which mean you're giving up on the central front on terrorism to fund programs. it is more rhetoric, another way to cover his exit from afghanistan. >> when you talk about rhetoric, not telling congress, he didn't tell congress about the five detainees from ghauantanamo. he is supposed to by law tell them. >> this is the effort to get out of guantanamo, too. he said on his first day of office. >> i remember that, ambassador. i guess he didn't quite tell truth on that one either. >> always good to have you both in the studio. knowledge could up, the latest
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your son wanted to admit he was actually in mexico earlier that day but his lawyer didn't want him to? is that correct? >> yes, correct. his lawyer scripted him on what to say. he explained that he had to keep it short and simple and eliminate any us is pings and this is how we do it in mexico. >> so your son wanted to admit that he was in mexico earlier that day, correct? >> yes. he had stood up in front of the court report we are the prosecutor right there and said that's a lie. i've been to mexico. the attorney said keep to the script. >> your son had a girlfriend in mexico, correct? in tea wanna? >> my son was dating a girl who had family in tijuana. she is a u.s. citizen. >> but she visits tijuana? there is a published report that said your son said he was visiting a girlfriend in tijuana. is that correct? >> absolutely not. absolutely not. >> what was he doing -- >> he walked over. >> so he went into mexico,
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checked into a hotel and then checked out. why didn't they catch him with the guns the first time he went through the check point? >> no, no, he walked into mexico. he kept his parked truck with all of his possessions in the parking lot where you walk when you're going on walk into mexico. he walked into mexico for dining. check out lodging there because you can save a lot of money staying in a hotel. remember he doesn't have permanent housing yet. all of his possessions are in his truck. he was merely looking for a cleem night stay. it was cold and dirty and he changed his mind. he headed back out of mexico on foot. he made one wrong turn. >> when he made that turn, he had visited mexico before. >> that day, yes. now he was headed back to san diego. thinking that on-ramp would take him to i-5 north. instead it filmed to the south unknowing to him and straight into the custom agents and they would not let him turn around. even though he told him he accidentally crossed the border and all of his possessions were
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in his truck including his three guns. >> and did he tell you that, why he went to mexico that day to begin with? >> yes, yes. he went there to eat dinner, go shopping, check out the entertainment. tijuana advertises to marines at camp pendleton. there is a place that is very popular. so he web there to rub elbows with his marine buddies. he spent the evening. walked back to his truck at 10:00 at night to head to san diego to catch a hotel room. >> okay. thanks for being with us this evening. good luck. >> thank you. >> coming up, nancy pelosi thinks obamacare is beautiful. you heard that right. and your last chance of voting in the inat a poll. should veterans be allowed to get health care at private hospitals.
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one evidence of governance would be how we rolled out the affordable care act. it is in tact, it's beautiful, it's -- as with everything, it's a work in progress. we need to improve it. but the website didn't work and now it's well. and we can go forward. >> that's nancy pelosi saying how beautiful obamacare is. really, nancy? are you kidding? what are you smoking? do you think it's beautiful to all the people who lost insurance, doctors, and ended up on a website that didn't work? with me now, democratic strategist, richard fouler. all right, richard, is obamacare beautiful? >> happy saturday night to you, judge. and yes, the affordable care act
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is working. listen, oi got you. the website didn't work as well as it should have. we had some hiccoups here and there, some folks lost their health care insurance, but folks are finally getting health care coverage. folks are finally getting a chance to go to the doctor and that, judge, is a beautiful thing. >> oh, so you're smoking it too. you go through colorado lately? >> i did not go through colorado lately. >> let me ask you this. people lost their health insurance, they can't see their doctors, we've had cancer patients with terminal illness who can't get to a doctor. you've seen the mess with the v.a. health care system. how can obamacare possibly be beautiful? >> because it's two different things, judges. >> is it? it's government-run health care. >> now, wait a second, judge. in the v.a., the means of production and the ownership of the policies is through the federal government. on the affordable care act, the exchange is run by the federal government. once you purchase health care insurance, you purchase it from a private insurer, blue cross/blue shield, etna, those
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are private companies providing your insurance. that's what makes it work so well. that's why romney did it in massachusetts. >> stop with the romney thing. here's the thing, richard. once the government says, you cannot have your doctor, you cannot keep your insurance, i've got to pay for your mental health, i've got to pay for your transgender operation, i've got to pay for 12 million illegals, i have to pay for all this, how can it possibly not be something that is a disaster if we can't get doctors to work for the v.a., how can we possibly get doctors to cover everybody else? >> well, there's a distinction here. the doctors who work for the v.a. get their paycheck from the v.a. these doctors that are part of the affordable care act get their paycheck from the health care insurers. >> it's a great thing. >> it's not a great thing. i don't need prenatal care. the chances of me having a
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baby -- >> well, your daughter might, judge. >> well, then, she gets her insurance. >> which she gets through the affordable care act. >> let me ask you something, do you need to have insurance for post-menopausal syndrome? >> no, but i need insurance to get my prostate checked, judge. >> but you're paying for insurance for something else. v.a. scandal, it's true, the administration either doesn't know what the hell it's doing or just lies about it. how can the american people trust anything they say at this point? >> i've got to tell you, on this one, i agree with you. i think the v.a. has been in trouble for a long time. since harry truman, till the day, our v.a. has the exact same problem. and the thing our president is hyperfocused on, it's how we fix it for all of our veterans. that's where the president's focussed and that's where the american people's focus should be on this one. >> richard, i'm not even going to comment. we always love having you on. thanks so much for being with us this evening. >> thanks, judge. >> now the results of tonight's
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instapoll. should veterans be allowed to get health care at private hospitals? elizabeth says, yes, why do they have to be second-class citizens. steve says, absolutely. illegals do! sharon says, yes, as long as they're not dumped into obamacare. and william says, yes, privatize v.a. hospitals, the government has no business running them. and gene says, yes, get rid of the v.a. and the government will save money on bonuses. by the way, the government shouldn't be giving bonuses to anybody. and finally, jolene says, yes. and in addition, vets should be allowed all the benefits to which congress thinks it's entitled. that's it for us tonight. thanks for joining us. remember to friend me on facebook, follow me on $bandara
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