we want to thank everyone in our studio audience for their participation tonight. go to hannity the series we want to see you each sunday night on fox. we hope you have a good night. >> if i am going to help my brain come to fruition i am going to have to feed it quality nutrition. >> the food police are in. >> will epidemic is here. >> 95 percent will be over weight. >> over 95 percent of us? >> you know what's in our food. >> it is classified as poison. >> you better not eat meat. >> i haven't made a mistake ever. >> some say don't eat anything with a fate. >> alternatives to cheese, milk to ice cream.

>> after all -- >> it clogs up the arteries. >> if everything we have been told about eating wrong? >> food for thought. that's our show tonight. >> there's lots to debate about food. we start with the newest fight gmo food. 90 percent of all corn grown in america is genetically modified now. it grew from a seed scientists altered by playing with it's gene. it makes it less appetizing to bugs so they can go with fewer pesticides. >> this upsets people. gmo is not natural. they put us and the environment in danger by selling it. >> there are campaigns to kill

mgmo -- anti gmo movie. >> it causes holes in the gi tracts and multiple organ system failures. >> they use this point of view from an evil gmo pushing business. >> just puts it on potatoes showed growing slower after two or three generations and fertility problems and other began development issues some goody due shoes scientists have let's wait and see. >> wait and see? >> that sounds scary. it is says michael hanson of consumer reports. >> it is scare mongering. jonathan has seen holes in the gi tract that sounds really scary. >> there happens to be no

scientific evidence that sports this scare. >> there must be some. not that there is any harm. we have eaten 7 trillion meals in a 17, 18 year since gmo's first came on the market. there's not one documented instance of someone getting so much of a sniffle. there have been 2,000 studies. you can create scare stories and fear of the unknown but if we are going to rely on the science no evidence. >> i have to say i agree with him. i would say consumer reports scares everyone will trivial risks. >> the fact of the matter is again metic engineering is different it raises risks that should require assessment before they come on the market and those assessments haven't been done. >> they haven't been done. >> of course that's wrong. he's verging on-line because he's implying that it is a very strong words. i understand that. he is implying somehow we don't have a regular story system in place to regulate the safety of gmo's. >> let's backup a second. you say this is new. what you mean by that is for

years we have had genetic modification but it has been done more slowly by cross breeding. >> no these new techniques that allow you to move again metic material between organisms that couldn't happen before. that is the technology we are talking about not an extension of what we conventionally doing. cross breeding they made it and you see what you got. >> it is more precise in the sense of you can move one or a few genes but the big problem is you have no control over where you are asserting the materials if you can't control where you are inserting that information. it can have an effect depending on the location. >> it is not right. it's a real misrepresentation of it. let me give you an example. you probably like ruby red grapefruit. in the lab subjecting it to

radiation and chemicals. that is organic but one gene being changed. >> one mutation was the stuff we like. >> one mutation out of thousands of 8 year laboratory study now it is organic. now we can reduce it to just one tested in laboratory evaluate it and we know it is safe and effective. the european commission has said it is safe. >> the grapefruit was actually, yes, texas ruby rhetted grape fruits came from irradiation. either irradiation or mutation breeding all it does is create vir ability for selection that happens naturally to happen. that is what technologies do. the cut and paste technologies you have no control over where that genetic material is inserting itself. there by causing unintended effects. >> you go on to the consumer reports web site you go on to the area about gmo foods you see

scare mongering. they show a picture of a needle going into a fruit. that's the kind of things you see on crash gmo anti science. >> they play in game. one of the ways that you transform animal cells is micro injection. >> that is not a picture of animal injection. you can find it on the internet. >> i give his allies credit their protest is more reasonable than the one that got dtt banned from malaria. more reasonable than the drug war zealots who locked people up from getting cancer -- giving cancer patients marijuana. they don't want a pan at gmo they want food labels that contain gmo or not. celebrities are eager to point out other places require that. >> maybe move to europe or

japan. >> or china. >> or india. >> or a lot of countries they want to know. you might decide not to buy food that contains gmo. >> certain companies would lose money if you didn't buy their stuff. >> you are just about money. actually this isn't about money it is about the right to know. the usda and other have said gmo's are the same in terms of nutritional content. >> why not label? >> gmo doesn't tell them anything other than it's the skull and cross bones. what they want and what michael hanson wants is to scare people and end the biotechnology revolution. so we have no impact. >> no, that is not a scare tactic. it is table tlabel the same arg used when they required fast and sugars and saturated fats. thank you michael, john, please

stick around. someone else wants to tell you and me that we are wrong because we are not upset enough about chemicals. before we go to her, i will guy ahead and make more enemies by pointing out that i do sometimes mock people's fear of chemicals. for example do you worry about die hydrogen monoxide. it's an odorless tasteful chemical that killed thousands of people. many died after inhaling it. it also rust metal has been found in tumors and terminal cancer patients. sounds pretty nasty, but think about it. dy hydrogen mondoxide h20. this is water. >> i went to times square see if i could fool people into signing a petition to ban water. >> it's an acid rain. >> would you sign this petition for me? we are trying to ban hydrogen

monoxide. >> i never knew it could cause sever burns. >> these football players signed, too. almost everyone we asked signed. >> odorless. tasteless. >> i am stretching here think about it this is chemistry, right? >> what is dy hydrogen monoxide? >> water. >> too much kills people. >> do not ban water. >> we don't support banning water on this program. neither does liz. she is upset about the chemicals on the food. she writes articles about symphony of the soil, raw milk the evil chemicals like tos fade. you want us to buy organic food and you do? >> absolutely. i think organic food is a win-win-win situation. >> what is organic food? is it organic chemistry is it filled with chemicals.

>> it is two different things. one is organic the definition the usda has. the other organic is used lose lie by people like me. when i say organic is farming practices where the soil is restored and revitalized. >> and no pesticides? >> that he is right. >> what's wrong with that, john? >> first of all she just said something that is totally wrong. there were about 30 pages of usda regulations. >> explain? >> organic farmers use pesticides as much or more than conventional farmers. they are just natural. >> absolutely go on the internet usda bacteria and listeria doesn't mean it is less harmful. >> natural doesn't always mean it's less harmful. there are poisonous mushrooms and poisonous plants we can eat.

there are good bacteria as well. there is one of the points of organic farming. when i say organic i mean kind of beyond the usda certification process where farmers are really looking at their soils and seeing what's going on there. >> there are meta studies that show there are no values. >> we are losing the debate. liz is winning. most people agree with her. >> you know what organic food is? >> yes. >> what is it? >> it is like fruit without chemicals on it. >> i feel less guilty being it. >> why is it healthier? >> that's what i hear on the tv all of the time. >> you have won this debate. >> good. we are seeing that the organic sector is a fast growing segment of agriculture. >> why is it good if it is much more expensive and we don't know it's better?

>> it doesn't have to be bet more expensive. people produce their own. if you grow something in your yard that's a lot cheaper. >> the organic market is imported from china, grown in disgusting soil, very, very cheap. undercuts the american market. that's becoming a staple in the organic market. >> the biggest part of the organic market -- >> the faster part is dangerously polluted>> from china. >> there is a lot of certified organic items coming from china. >> that's where i advocate going to be a farmer. >> am i an evil person because sometimes i do what this guy does. >> do you eat organic food? >> no, i think it's over priced. i think the grocers are using it as a way to increase prices. >> my wife is into organic bananas. sometimes i change the labels. i will take the label on the

organic baann bananas and she doesn't recognize. >> so many studies show there's no taste difference and no freshness difference. it has to do with how it is grown by an individual person and individual farmer. that's an argument they have been using to try to pump up prices and justify essentially extorting money from innocent consumers. >> last word. >> there are some people who don't recognize the taste. some do. they recognize when they are eating something fresh as o opposed to something danncanned frozen. >> i would love to get into a blind taste test. we are not going to settle thank you liz and john. to keep this conversation going use the hash tag food fight let people know what you think. >> coming up some people say don't eat anything with a face. >> also how michelle obama is just wrong and how i was just

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over time fatty deposits could build up in your arteries, and this increases your risk of heart disease. saturated fat can clog this pipe, imagine what it's doing >> public service announcement from the british government. over the past 50 years authorities control told us don't eat this stuff. bacon, cheese, butter, foods cooked in butter. tastes great. when i was a kid my mom watched commercials like this. >> a great change in eating habits is taking place in homes all over america. more and more women are using mazola corn oil and mazola margarine. >> if you have too much fat cutting down sat freighted pats is ma zola corn oil and ma zola margarine. >> most people switch to them but new research suggests we were misled. sass rated fat may have been fine says this article in the

wall street journal entitled "the questionable link between saturated fat and heart disease. nina heights rolled it and you published a new book called, the big fat surprise. what's the surprise? >> the surprise is that saturated fat the kind of fat in meat, cheese, butter, eggs turns out it is not bad for your health. the idea it's in our main dietary culprit for the last 50 years but evidence is never strong. >> how could it have been sold to us for all these years if it wasn't strong? >> it became basically institutionalized before it was tested. the idea that saturated fat is bad for you came from a researcher in the 1950s in the face of a heart disease epidemic. they are looking for answers. one scientist proposed saturated fats they got that idea implanted from the american heart association the antique saturated fat guidelines came out in 1961. when that became our national

guidelines it had never been tested. when it was tested there were tremendous problems p the trials researchers have since gone back and looked at the evidence and found the evidence was never will never strong. >> this is horrible. bacon is good. things cooked in butter taste better. >> those are delicious and they are good for health. we believed literally the fat in the bacon would become the fat in our bodies and clog up our a arteries. >> the evidence that saturated fat leads to heart disease is just completely dissolved. >> two big studies have come out and said wait we don't show this is bad. >> two groups of scientists looked at the history of all of the evidence in saturated fat it concluded it is worse to eat

carbohydrates a big meal of pasta than meat, butter, cheese, dairy, eggs. >> they switch to carbohydrates. >> they go from 11 percent fats we switched from meat based dinners to having pasta and grains. we have gone too far in that direction. >> let me push back. we contacted the heart associe guidelines that saturated fats can hurt your heart while polyunsaturated fats may help them. >> the american heart association and national institute of health it is awkward of them to say they were wrong for all of these years. that is not a message. institutions are -- like the opposite of good science that can't slip up on their public. they need to be nimble needs to be doubting itself. it is hard for institutions to sta stay on top of the science.

>> the food spirit is a all about carbohydrates. stay away from meat, sat vated fats, whole milk. >> the big slab of the food 60 percent is supposed to be bread, pasta, whole grains. we shifted too far in that direction. >> we haven't had whole milk in over 20-years. >> whole milk without the fat you can't digest the minerals, it is good for health and many dialogue cal functions go ahead. >> i hope you are right. coming up katie couric wants government to force us to eat better. >> the epidemic here is worse, we estimated much worse. >> over 95 percent of all americans. >> also not only is this bacon filled with saturated fat. some people say don't eat anything with a face. ing with a.

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meat is unnecessary given all of the nutrients. >> but it tastes good. >> i always find it ironic vegans try to turn nonvegan into tofurkye. everybody wants the meat based product. >> carrie underwood said. >> i don't eat meat. i haven't made a steak ever i don't think. >> you are tvegan. >> yes. >> so is jennifer lopez who says i recommend a vegan diet because you wake up and feel great. ellen de generous and natalie portman had vegan weddings. al gore came out vegan. >> going vegan i feel great. when you eat meat it is filling and full. it is acidic, it is full of fat and clogs up the arteries. >> yeah, rob, you paleo folks

push lots of meat. >> when you look at the literature the predominance is vegetables fruits, roots, nuts and seeds. it is 60 percent should come from fruits and vegetables. >> the guardian reports french vegan fed only breast milk from a vegan's mom. it is not enough for everyone to live. >> i disagree. tloos so much evidence the plant based diet being healthy for pregnant woman and for their children while they are breast-feeding. in this case they were being fed soy milk in replace of breast milk as well as apple juice. it wasn't nutrient rich and the right diet for the baby. >> all of this is vegan certified. >> vegan doesn't mean healthy. >> i am an advocate for whole food plant based diet not just

vegan diet. this is something we agree on a lot getting back to eating whole foods that are nutrient dense. >> most of these things are american heart association endorsed. >> this is not a healthy diet even they it is healthy. >> more americans are eating processed food doing the opposite of what each of you say in your own particular diet. and we are living longer. >> maybe you are both out to lunch. >> we will be spending 300 percent of gdp on managing diabetes. >> you say they get fat because they don't eat enough meat? >> all of these foods are processed foods. >> i will give you the last word. some of the things you say are just hard to believe. you are healthier and happier being a vegan makes you happy? >> absolutely. there's a direct link. >> you may have a sugar pie from

it but you want long-term health and happiness it effects our hormones. this is something we can easily agree on between vegan and paleo is reducing the processed foods. with>> we probably both disagree on the hot dogs. >> you say don't eat anything with a face? >> if you do have a face. >> there was a face involved there and there are people with meat they are not seeing what is happening at this point. >> i don't see it. >> thank you whitney and rob. >> katie couric's movie about evil sugar. >> your brain you are going to become an addict. >> you end up with one of the greatest epidemics of our time. >> crucial late spring feeding helps defend the grass against the summer heat to come. nbr: we knew that - right guys?

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let's ask vic who runs an organization called keep food legal. >> food is legal. >> less and less, though i have to say in recent times we have a soda ban in new york city and trans fat bans. used to be they fought polio and small box. n -- smallpox. next they are going to tell us when to go to sleep. >> i called them the totalitarian list. they have a good cause. katie couric says over 95 percent of all americans will be over weight in two decades. >> how can they make a statement like that? >> only 95 percent. yeah, i don't know where the science comes from. i am pretty sure it is not have scientists. >> here is one part of the movie that we could both agree with. >> the industry is extraordinarily powerful. they are in business to make money not to keep america

healthy. >> they are in business to make money, what a shock. it is horrific. >> there are newspaper people, you have members of the public health community, they are also in business to make money somehow it's a food company and the company happens to be big it is terrible. >> they do keep their subsidies. >> subsidies are a huge problem. that's the movie fed up kate see couric doesn't get to an hour into it. >> we give money to these sugar companies give money to insurance companies and farmers. corn and access and gets turned into a sweetener high fructose corn shir rup we are giving money to sweetener and punishing consumers. >> they recently explained even if kids don't want to eat so-called healthy foods america

is going to give it to them anyway. >> no child wants to brush their teeth or give a doctor for spots. these are the norms for keeping our kids healthy. >> in case kids didn't get a healthy they broke into wraps. >> if i am going to get my brains to come to fruition i have to feed the quality nutrition real my chicken in a wrap don't jam it in a nugget. it is hype for healthy snacks and fresh food, we love it. >> we got the hungry, the healthy hungry free kids act. how is thatout? >> it is like the hunger game for schools. >> it is creating mountains of food waist, kids don't want to eat the foods they are throwing it away. it is wasting unold millions of dollars. kids hate it. one service director said waists

it up 30 percent. kansas high school student hated the new food so much they got their principle's commission to the consent video. ♪ >> they dropped out of lunch programs because of the standards. the liberal media is taken aback because michelle obama had taken the heat. >> instead of potato ships kale chips a healthy alternative. >> gross. >> not gross.

>> in fact, i brought some with me. you both should try one. >> the truth is, the kids are throwing food out one school dietician says all i have are healthy trash cans. >> yeah, there are mountains of food waist. this hunger free school act is actually creating more hungry kids. >> bottom line mr. food freedom what's your answer? >> food freedom is the right to grow they warn on choosing. that's it get the government out of subsidizing food and banning food and regulating food and make their own decision. >> some will make unhealthy decisions. >> there are lower costs when we get to make our own choices. >> thank you. let's keep foods legal. >> coming up, isn't it smashing to eat locally? everyone says so.

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>> will you lend me your ears? >> local and eco friendly didn't have to travel thousands of

miles to get here. eating local your food will always be green. >> eat local. the latest food trend. if you buy food that doesn't have far to get to you it is better for the environment, tastes better and better for you and supports local merchants. >> good to eat locally. >> local, yeah, you should support small businesses. >> local is fresher, more vibrant, the nutrients, you are encouraging local jobs. >> they only come within 100 miles of you i think it's really cool. >> really cool. the benefits seem logical. local food must be greener because it doesn't travel as far. but pierre author of the local mores dilemma says we have it all wrong if you want to help the planet eat globally. what do you mean? >> not so long ago we used to consume mostly local food then the steam ship came along the railroad came along and food naturally migrated out of cities and into locations where they were better suited for the local

environment. >> instead of paying a lot for let's say cucumbers suddenly they are grown further south. they were more plentiful and available. your body cares about the nutrients and what we eat. >> nutrients are depleted when it is being trucked up from florida to where i lived. >> not at all. modern conservation policy ensures as soon as things are coming out if they are packaged properly they are frozen right away. >> what if they are fresh? >> not because you buy something on your local farmer's market on a tuesday or example and put in a framing for several days. >> where we live we can truck things long distances they import the apples in places like chili or south africa or new zealand. >> they don't pick their apples in march or april you put them

on a container they arrive in the supermarket two weeks later they are fresher less losses to spoilage. at certain times of the year they are much better for the environment than new york apples in new york city. >> and the giant farm which may be far away they may be more environmentally efficient than local farmer. >> you can use them more ee fish lee and specialize. it is difficult to run a tractor on a roof in new york city. if you buy things in large volumes that invest in the types of crops in larger quantities they are better for the environment. >> they talk now about food miles the distance from farm to fork and the one person i interviewed about the 100 mile diet. the super tittle in your book is the 10,000 mile. >> that's because in the end you cannot be finding truth. it is 120 of the footprint of

other production conditions. if you want to grow things in an area where you bring irrigation water you need pesticides and fung sized that is growing things in the best environment where nature provide you free of charge it is a lot more than how far your food that is traveled. >> the farming is better intensive than the shaping. >> 20 times better than the united states. >> buying local jobs. >> it is safe and efficient local jobs. if you pay more for your food you have less money to spend on other things. >> if you keep farmers and businesses you pay twice as much for your food then you have less money to byte other things and overall pay more for your food and having less money to spend onned other things you destroy more jobs than you create. >> who knew. coming up i will give away 2,500 dollars to two high school

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. >> r >> right now there are 23.5 million americans including 6.5 million children who live in what we call food deserts. >> food deserts. kids from poor neighborhoods gets fat because there's little healthy food near their home.

there are lots of fast food joints selling fatty foods but few super markets selling fresh fruit and vegetables. no wonder poor people don't eat well. >> we are setting people up for failure if we don't fix this with a modest initial investment of $400 million a year. >> modest initials $400 million a year to governmentment i guess that's modest. they proudly say they used your money to support private sector financing of healthy food options. >> in other words, tax payer bribes to serve the supermarket chains and this brought wonderful things like in pennsylvania 68 grocery stores to unkerr serve communities. >> it is an article of faith and still even after michelle got your millions the new york sometimes reported 2 million studies fund that poor neighborhoods had nearly twice as many fast food restaurants

and convenience stores but they had nearly twice as many super markets and large scale groeshs. do taxpayers get their money back? no government never stop taking their money. the government will spend more than finance food options. it is mindless and stupid and useless. i would despair for our future were it not to the periodic exposure to young people than political elites. my nonprofits have school children they ran an essay contest writing food nancy what decides what you eat in class many students watch the show i did called myths lies and complete stupidity which included inviews with people like the state legislature who wants government to ban solty

foods. >> they want to give you an option where you make better choices. >> where do you get off saying they are giving you more choices. urbaning things giving us less choices. >> i am trying to ban the stuff that is not good for the consumer. >> you are a bully. >> i am becoming worse. >> after watching that and discussing similar cop picks with the teachers 7,000 students entered essays and the winners were just smart. >> here's an example. congress shall have the power to regulate the mixing consumption of food to james madison secretary forget the copy of this in the constitution. the student that submitted the essay is carolyn clawson from christian school in ohio she wins $1,000 plus the trip to new york so she could watch the show and since i was depressed after learning we have to pay for michelle obama's food schemes i

want to cheer myself up by talking to someone smart. caroline, welcome. you have been watching the show are you as amazed as i am about what they want to do? >> seems they are confused about the problems they need to fix the government needs to fix and personal problems that they have no right. >> we need to fix among ourselves. you think we have enough food information? we don't need government help? >> in our generation among the young people if we want to know something and if we want to know how to lose weight we google it we look it up on the internet. if people don't want to listen to that information, then they may suffer the consequences but they value the fataste of unhealthy food. that's okay. >> let me read something else he wrote. the private sector promises economic prosperity but can it guarantee a cou carrot crunching flat bellies. capitalism was never designed to achieve utopia. what are you saying there?

>> i mean, it is true that maybe if the government said we could only eat healthy foods, maybe our country would be healthier? maybe we would all be skinny, but i mean that isn't freedom. that -- i mean some people would rather eat unhealthy food than be stkinny. that's their choice. >> thank you caroline. i am glad you respect freedom. our first place winner he's sheen younger 15-year-old madeline pelt zer. she is home schooled by her parents in arizona. she titled her essay food fight give me liberty not a nanny. we like the title. it is from the show. madeline, congratulations. i ask you the same question. food information where can you get it if not have government. >> you can go to the public library for free. you can google it there are plenty of resources for it. >> you have this book what's is

called? >> they go around america look at all of the different restaurants and have the good, bad choices there. >> like? >> mcdonalds here. they show on this side they have oo et this which is mcdouble verses the grilled chicken club sandwich which is on the bad side which is healthy choices and chips. >> they say chicken is better than beef. they say it is not. the market responds to this without government telling them what do to do. some rents straunts change their behavior. >> olive garden and red lobster to name a few are some that have gotten rid of some of their high calorie, high fat, high sugar items. responded to the market demanding they change things because of these books. >> thank you madeline. thank you caroline and thank you students and teachers of stossel in the classroom. thank you for being wiser than

michelle obama and most bureaucrats and skate capitals and in washington. that's our show for tonight. see you next week. thanks for watching everyone. huckabee starts right now. >> tonight on huckabee. it is not limited to a few va facilities and totally unacceptable. and with consider regret i accepted. >> are veterans better off now. jeff miller joins the governor tonight. and hillary clinton rips republicans saying they keep harping on benghazi for political gain. mike on the house responds. >> plus, many college campuses it is liberals trying to impress conservative ideas.