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cheese, to milk, to ice cream. >> after all, saturated fat is evil. >> it clogs up the arteries. >> what if it doesn't? food fight, that's our show tonight. there's lots to debate about food. we start with the newest fight, gmo food. 90% of all corn grown in america is genetically modified. it grew from a seed that scientists altered by playing with its genes. the new genes may make corn grow faster or make it less appetizing to bugs so they can grow with fewer pesticides. this upsets some people. gmo is not natural they say. it puts us and the environment in danger by selling it and

there are big campaigns to kill gmos. here's a scene from the movie "seeds of death." >> it causes holes in the gi tract. >> another group made this video in which they pretend to take the point of view of an evil gmo pushing business. >> just because tests on rats eating genetically modified potatoes show they're growing slower after two or three generations and developing fertility problems, some scientists worry that might happen to humans too. let's wait and see. >> wait and see? that sounds scary, and it is says michael hanson of consumer reports. but john entine of the genetic literacy project says it's scare mongering. holes in the g.i. tract.

this sounds really scary. >> there happens to be no scientific evidence to support the scares. >> there has to be some. >> we have eaten 17 trillion meals. there's not one documented evidence of anyone getting so much as a sniffle. you can create fear of the unknown. >> reports scares everybody about trivial risks. >> genetic engineering is different. it raises risks that require assessment before it goes on the market. those assessments haven't been done. >> that's wrong. he's verging on lying. he's implying we don't have a regulatory system in place to

evaluate the safety of gmos. that's flat out wrong. >> you say this is new. what you mean by that, for years we've had genetic modification, but it's done by cross breeding. >> these new techniques that allow you to move genetic material between organisms that haven't before, that's what we're talking about. >> i would think it was more precise than cross breeding. they made it and you see what you got. >> it's more precise is that you can move one or two genes. you have no control over where you're inserting that genetic material. if you have no control, it can have different effects depending on the location. >> that's just not right. it's a real misrepresentation of it. let me give you an example. you probably like ruby red

grapefruits. you can buy organic ruby red grapefruits. one gene being changed -- >> organic is the stuff we like. >> one genetic mutation, now it's called organic. we can reduce it to one. we know it is safe.european com is safer. >> that's true? >> the grapefruit was actually -- yes, texas ruby red grapefruits came from radiation. all that does is create more variability for selection that happens naturally to happen. that's what those technologies do. the cut and paste technologies, you have no control over where that genetic material is inserting itself, thereby causing these unintended

effects. >> if you go on to consumer reports websites, you see scare mongering. they show a picture of a needle going into a fruit. that's the kind of thing you see on anti-gmo sites. >> in fact, one of the ways you transform animal cells is microinjection. >> that is not a picture of a microinjection. that's a scare picture. you can find it on the internet. >> i give michael and his allies credit. their protest is more reasonable than the one that got ddt banned, which led to millions of death from malaria. you're also more reasonable than the drug war zealots. all they want is food labels to say whether they contain gmos or not. celebrities are eager to point

out other places require that. >> move to europe or japan if you want that right. >> or china. >> or india. >> you might decide not to buy food that contains gmos. >> certain companies would lose a lot of money if you didn't buy their stuff. >> yeah, john, you're just about money. >> this is not about money. this is about the right to know real information that's important. the usda has said gmos are absolutely the same in terms of nutritional content. >> why not have a label? >> what anti-gmo people want is to scare people and end the biotechnology revolution so it has no impact. >> that's not fair. >> it's simply a label. these same arguments were used when they required the labeling

for fats and sugars and saturated fats. >> thank you, michael, john. please stick around. somebody else wants to tell us we're wrong because we're not doing enough about chemicals. i do sometimes mock people's fear of chemicals. for example, do you worry about dye hydrogen monoxide. it's an odorless chemical that kills thousands of people. many died after inhaling it. it also rusts metal. it's been found in tumors and terminal cancer patients. sounds pretty nasty, but think about it. di hydrogen monoxide. h20, this is water. i went to times square to see if i could fool people into signing

a petition to ban water. >> would these ladies from chicago fall for it? >> that's crazy. i never knew it could cause tumors and severe burns. >> these football players signed it too. >> almost everyone we asked signed. >> it's odorless. tasteless. you took chemistry, right? >> yeah. >> what's dihydrogen monoxide? >> water. >> do not ban water. >> we don't support banning water on this program and neither does liz, but she's upset about the chemicals in food. on her blog she writes things like, "symphony of the soil." you want us to just buy organic food and you do. >> absolutely. i think organic food is a

win-win-win situation. >> does it mean it's filled with chemicals? >> it refers to two different things. farmers need to go through the certification process in order to use that term. the other organic is used more loosely by people like me. i mean farming practices where the soil is restored and revitalized. >> and no pesticides. >> that's right. >> and what's wrong with that, john? >> first of all, she said something that was totally wrong. there's about 30 pages of usda regulations or approved pesticides. >> this is my horn when they get too deep in the weeds. >> many of their pesticides are farmer harmful. they're just natural. >> come on. >> go on the internet. bacteria and listera is natural.

>> there's poisonous mushrooms. there's good bacteria as well. that's one of the points of organic farming. when i use organic, i mean beyond the usda certification process of organic. >> there's been at least three meta studies, which combines hundreds of studies, showing there is no value. >> we are losing the debate. liz is winning. her message has gotten out. most people agree with her. >> do you know what organic food is? >> yes. >> what is it? >> it's food that's healthy for you. >> it feels better and healthier. i can feel less guilty about buying it. >> why is it healthier? >> that's what i hear on tv all the time. >> you've won this debate. >> good. we are seeing the organic sector is a very fast growing segment of agriculture. >> why is it good if it's much

more expensive and it's better? >> it doesn't have to be more expensive. >> but it is. >> you can get a $2 packet of seeds and grow it in the yard. >> it is imported from china, very cheap. undercuts the american market. >> the biggest part of the organic market? >> the fastest part of the organic market is dangerously polluted from china. >> there's a lot of certified organic items coming from china. that's why i advocate going direct to your farmer. >> sometimes i do what this guy does. >> do you eat organic food? >> no, i think it's overpriced. i think the grocers are using that as a way to increase prices. my wife is into organic bananas.

sometimes i change the labels. i'll put it on the regular bananas and she doesn't know the difference. >> there are a lot of people that recognize the taste difference and the freshness when they go and get it direct. >> so many studies show there is no taste difference and freshness difference. freshness has to do with how it is grown by an individual person or farmer. it is used to bump up prices and extort money from innocent consumers. >> the vast majority of people do. they recognize when they're eating something fresh. >> this is not an issue of freshness. >> it is. it's absolutely. >> i'd love to give them a blind taste test. we're not going to settle this here. thank you, liz and john. to keep this conversation going on facebook and twitter, you can use the hash tag food fight. coming up, some people say

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did you eat too much of is, this? over time fatty deposits could build up in your arteries. this increases your risk of heart disease. it can clog this pipe. imagine what it is doing to yours. >> that's a public service announcement from the british government. authorities have told us don't eat this stuff. bacon, cheese, butter. food cooked in butter tastes great. when i was a kid, my mom watched commercials like this. >> a great change in eating habits is taking place like this in homes across america. >> if you're concerned about too much saturated fat, remember the best combination for cutting down saturated fats in the diet is mazola corn oil and

margerine. new research shows we may have been misled. nina wrote it and you just published a new book called "the big fat surprise." what's the surprise? >> the surprise is the kind of fat in meat, cheese, butter, and eggs is not bad for your health. it's been our dietary culprit for the past 20 years. >> how could it have been sold to us over these years if it wasn't strong? >> the idea that saturated fat is bad for you came from a researcher from the 1950s in the heart disease research epidemic. one scientist proposed saturated fats. he got that idea implanted into

the american heart association. when that became our national guidelines, it had never been tested. when it was subsequently tested, there were tremendous problems with those trials. researchers have gone back and looked at the evidence and found that the evidence was never really strong. >> this is horrible because bacon is good and things cooked in butter taste better. >> that's it. these foods are delicious and they're also good for health. we've believed that the fat in that bacon would become the fat in our bodies and clog up our arteries. >> it won't? >> it seems like so much common sense. like how could that not be true. the evidence that saturated fat leads to heart disease is just completely dissolved. >> two big studies have come out and said, we can't show this is bad. >> two groups of scientists looked at the entire history of all the evidence against

saturated fats and concluded it is worse to eat carbohydrates, a big dinner of pasta, than it is to eat meat, butter, and eggs. >> we switched to eating pastas. >> we switched from eating meat based dinners to having pasta and grains. >> we contacted the heart association. we stand by the guidelines that saturated fats can hurt your heart while polyunsaturated fats can help. >> it's awkward to say they were wrong for all these years. >> i bet. >> institutions are like the opposite of good science. they can't flip-flop on their public. science needs to be self-questioning.

it's hard for institutions to stay on top of the science and do good science. >> the food pyramid, it's all about carbohydrates. eat lots of them. stay away from meat and saturated fats. >> over 60% of our diet is supposed to be bread, pasta, and whole grains. we've shifted too far in that direction. >> i haven't had whole milk in 20 years. >> whole milk without the fat, you can't digest the vitamins. coming up, katie couric

wants our diet to be controlled by the government. >> some people say don't eat anything with a face. that's next.

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. >> making making a difference in the world is really easy. >> how do you make a difference? don't eat meat. don't eat anything with a face. this will help animals, the environment, and yourself they say. some go further. they also cut out eggs, dairy products, and even honey. it comes from bees. these are vegans. >> there are so many vegan alternatives to cheese, to milk, to ice cream, to butter, to whatever it is. >> she joins us now. whitney runs a website called ecovegan gal. >> he's the author of "the paleo

solution" the original vegan diet. he says meat is healthy. >> i personally feel eating meat is unnecessary. >> it tastes good. >> but so do plants. >> vegans try to turn nonvegan sources into tofurkey. there's a drive that we want some sort of meat based product. >> you're vegan, right? >> i haven't made a steak ever, i don't think. >> so you are vegan? >> yeah. >> so is jennifer lopez who recently said, i recommend the vegan diet because you wake up and feel great. >> ellen degeneres had a vegan wedding. >> going vegan, i feel great. when you eat meat, it's rather filling and full. it's extremely acidic body.

it's full of fat and clogs up the arteries. >> yeah, rob. you paleo folks push lots of meat. >> when you look at the literature on the paleo diet, the predominance is fruits and vegetables. >> the guardian reports that french vegans face trial after the death of a baby fed only on breast milk from a vegan mom. clearly it's not enough for everyone to live. >> i disagree. there's so much evidence of the vegan diet, the plant based diet, being healthy for pregnant women and breast milk fed children. in this case, it was a soy formula. >> all this stuff is vegan certified, right? >> i don't eat that stuff. i don't eat it. >> vegan doesn't mean healthy.

it just means no faces. >> that's why i'm an advocate for a plant whole foods based diet. this is something we agree on. >> most of these things are american heart association endorsed. >> this is not a healthy diet, even though it is vegan. >> most americans are eating more processed foods and we're living longer. maybe you're both out to lunch. >> we'll be spending 300% of gdp on diabetes. >> you're saying they get fat because they don't eat enough meat. >> yeah. >> some of the things you say are just hard to believe. you are healthier and happier being a vegan. being a vegan makes you happy?

>> absolutely. >> why? >> we might have a sugar high from it. if we want long-term health and happiness, eating foods affects our hormones. this is something we can easily agree on, reducing the processed 235 foods. >> we both disagree on the hot dog. >> you say don't eat anything with a face. this doesn't have a face. >> it did have a face. there was a face involved there. that's probably the reason why people still eat meat. they're not seeing what is happening to get to that point. >> i don't see it. next, katie couric's new movie about eating sugar. >> you're going to become an addict. >> you end up with one of the great public health epidemics of our time.

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protect public health, why not ban certain foods, bad foods? let's ask my guest who runs an organization called "keep food legal." food is legal. >> less and less so, i guess, in recent times. we have a soda ban in new york city. >> proposed in new york city. >> currently in the courts. used to be they fought polio and smallpox. >> i call them the totalitarian left. how can they make a statement like 95% of americans will be overweight or obese? >> i'm not sure where the science is.

>> here's one part of the movie we can agree with. >> the sugar industry is in business to make money. not keep america healthy. >> they're in business to make money. what a shock. >> it's horrific. you have newspaper people and members of the public health care community in business to make money. when a food company becomes big, it's terrible. >> they are powerful in one way. they do keep their subsidies. >> they are a huge problem. that's one that this movie doesn't get to until an hour into its 90 minutes. >> the subsidies, we just give money to these sugar companies. >> give money to sugar companies and farmers to grow corn in excess that gets turned into a sweeten sweetener, high fructose corn syrup. then we're punishing consumers

for consuming it. >> even if kids don't want to eat healthy food, america is going to give it to them anyway. >> no child wants to brush their teeth or go to the doctor for shots. we make them do these things anyway because these are the norms to keep our kids healthy. >> she broke into rap. >> if i'm going to help my brain come into fruition, i'm going to have to feed it quality nutrition. get hype for healthy snacks, fresh food, we love it. >> we got the healthy hungry free kids act. how's that's working out? >> it's like the hunger games for schools. it's creating mountains of food waste. kids don't want to eat the foods. they're throwing it away. it's wasting untold millions of dollars and kids hate it. >> one food service director

says waste is up 20%. some kansas high school students hated the new food so much they got their principal's permission to make this complaint video. >> i know i gave up on food months ago. i know i'm trying to forget. but between the milk and feta cheese, the pain in my stomach, i'm trying hard to find nourishment. but the time you go to practice and you feel like falling down, i'll carry you home. tonight. >> that parody has over a million hits on youtube. a million children have dropped out of the school lunch plan because of these new standards. the liberal media is taken aback. she had to take some heat. >> instead of potato chips, a

healthy alternative is kale chips. >> gross. >> not gross. i brought some with me. you both should try one. >> ha, ha, ha. the truth is kids are throwing food out. one school dietitian says all i have is healthy trash cans. >> there's mountains of food waste. this is creating more hungry kids. >> bottom line, mr. food freedom, what's your answer? >> eat and drink the foods of ones own choosing. get the government out of subsidizing food and let people make their own decisions. >> some will make unhealthy decisions. >> they make those any ways. >> thank you. let's keep food legal. coming up, isn't it smart to

eat locally? everyone says so. everyone is wrong.

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it's by eating local, your food will always be green. >> eat local, it's the latest food trend. if you buy food that doesn't have to travel far to get to you, it's better for the environment. it tastes better and it's better for you and it supports local merchants. >> is it good to eat locally? >> yeah. you should support small businesses. >> you're encouraging local jca jobs. >> really cool. the benefits seem logical. local food must be greener because it doesn't travel as far. but author of "the localvore's dilemma" says we have it all wrong. >> we used to consume local food and the steam ships came along

and food migrated out of local cities. instead of paying a lot for cucumbers that were grown in new york city, they were grown further south in the united states. they were much more plentiful and available. your body cares about the nutrients and the vitamins that you eat. they don't care where the food comes from. >> the nutrients are being depleted when it travels. >> if they're frozen right away -- >> what if they're fresh? >> it depends. in the year in which we live, we can truck things over long distances and efficiently.

in the southern hemisphere seasons are inverted. they arrive in your supermarkets two weeks later. they're definitely fresher. less losses to spoilage. >> the giant farm that may be far away is more environmentally efficient than my local farmer. >> small is beautiful, but bigger is often better. you can specialize. it's difficult to run a tractor on the rooftop of new york city. if you buy things in large volumes, if you invest in the type of crops that grow well in large quantities, then, yeah, of course, bigger is better. >> they talk now about food miles. the distance from farm to fork. the one person i interviewed talked about the 100 mile diet.

>> in the end, you cannot defy nature. long distance nature is 1/20 of the footprint. if there's more humidity and you need more pesticides, growing things in the best location where the environment might be a bit drier in the end matters a lot more than how far your food has traveled. >> the farmi ibuying of local f saves local jobs. >> if you pay more for your food, you have less money to spend on other things. if you keep local farmers in business, you have less money to go to the local movie theater to buy other things. by paying more for your food, you're destroying more jobs than you create. >> who knew?

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. >> right now, there are 23.5 ll right now, there are 23.5 million americans, including 6.5 million children, who live in what we call food deserts. >> food deserts.

kids from poor neighborhoods get fat because there's little healthy food near their homes. there are a lot of fast food joints selling fatty food, but few supermarkets selling fresh fruit and vegetables. >> we're setting people up for failure if we don't fix this. with a modest investment of about $400 million a year -- >> to government, i guess that's modest. they proudly say they used your money to support private sector financing of healthy food options. in other words, taxpayer bribes to certain supermarket chains. this brought wonderful things like in pennsylvania 68 grocery stores to underserved communities. food deserts is an article of faith in the big government set. it still is even after michelle got your millions. two new studies found that yes,

poor neighborhoods had twice as many fast food restaurants and convenience stores, but they also had twice as many food supermarkets. food deserts are a myth. it's government. they never stop taking your money. the government will spend more this year to finance food options. it's so mindless, so stupid and useless. i would despair for our future were it not for my periodic exposure to young people who get it. who are much wiser than today's political elite. my nonprofit offers school teachers free videos that introduce students to economics. this year we ran an essay contest to write on the topic, food nannies, who decides what you eat. students watched this show.

>> we're trying to keep you an option where you can make better choices. >> where do you get off saying we have more choice? you're banning things. you're giving us less choice. >> i'm trying to ban stuff that's not good for a consumer. >> you're a bully. >> i've been called worse. >> 7,000 students entered essays and the winners were just smart. here's a sample. the congress shall have the power to regulate the mixing, baking, serving, labeling, selling, and consumption of food. the student that submitted that essay is from a school in ohio. she wins a thousand dollars and this trip to new york so she could watch this show.

since i was so depressed learning we all had to pay for michelle obama's food schemes, i wanted to cheer myself up. are you amazed as i am about what i want to do? >> it almost seems like they're confused about what our problems what the government needs to fix and personal problems. >> that we need to fix among ourselves. you think we have enough food information. we don't need government help? >> in our generation among the young people, if we want to know something, we just google it. we look it up on the internet. if people don't want that information, they may pay for the consequences, but they value the taste of unhealthy food and that's okay. >> let me read something else you wrote. the private sector promises economic prosperity, but can it guarantee a country of carrot

crunching flat bellies. it was never designed to reach utop utopia. what are you saying there? >> maybe we would be healthier or all skinny. that isn't freedom. some people would rather eat unhealthy food than be skinny. that's their choice. that should be their choice. >> thank you, caroline. i'm glad you respect freedom. our first place winner, she's even younger. a 15-year-old. she's home schooled by her parents in arizona. she titled her essay, food fight, give me liberty. congratulations. i ask the same question. food information, where are you going to get it if you're not going to get it from the government? >> you can get it from the

public library. google it. there are plenty of resources for it. >> what's that book called? >> eat this, not that. they go around restaurants in america and contrast good and bad food choices. on this side, they have eat this, which is mcdouble. then they show why and healthy choices and tips. >> you think chicken is better than beef. they say it is not. it is all out there and the market responds to this without government telling them what to do. some restaurants change their behavior. >> yes. olive garden and red lobster and jamba juice have gotten rid of their high calorie, high fat, and high sugar items and responded to the market wanting to change things because of

these books. >> thank you. thanks for being wiser than mo bureaucrats in state capitals and washington. that's our show for tonight. see you next week. hillary clinton launch as new book and a possible campaign for president. >> people want a good job. they want a decent living for themselves and their families. they want to live in peace and security. >> focusing on years as secretary of state she talked about president obama and the benghazi scandal and her political future. we will discuss all of this with the republican national committee chair and senator who has endorsed her for 2016. >> embattled veterans affair secretary eric shinseki