not our terms, on theirs. shielded in a country that's never been keen on us. right about now i suspect laughing at us. such a deal. when dianne feinstein is saying the same thing, such a problem. this is a fox news alert. the story surrounding the president's deal with the taliban is huge. benghazi huge. they say where there's smoke there's fire. i got to tell you, there's a ton of smoke here just like why are so many of bergdahl's fellow military calling humidity a deserter or a traitor? we're going to be on that in a minute. and did susan rice really mean to say bergdahl served with honor and distinction, or were those just talking points someone told her to deliver? we'll object that in a minute, as well. first, this outrageous comment delivered by president obama from poland this morning. >> is there a possible of some

of them trying to return to activity that's detrimental to us? absolutely. that's been true of all the prisoners that were released from guantanamo. there's a certain recidivismtulate takes place. >> the commander in chief cut a deal with the taliban that sent high-level extremists back to the enemy in exchange for one guy who may have deserted, may have collaborated with the enemy or both. and look at what appears to be the euphoric arrival of the gitmo detainees, let's call them the obama five, in a video released by pro-taliban website. matt drudge asked perhaps the best question today -- did obama save a rat? >> the answer is we don't know that. that's what i said yesterday. i'm curious if he had broken the law why he hasn't been indicted.

the mistake the obama people made is you shouldn't spike the ball in the rose garden. you went around this with the family members, the mother and father, and tomb the victory lap when the information of this guy was not complete. that's where i think the mistake was. >> why did they do that? they -- did they just miscalculate that every single -- so far, every single one of his teammates in the military would say the guy's a traitor or deserter at the least? >> i mean, i don't know -- i can't tell you why they thought that was a good dwrod do it. i can't believe that they didn't know some of this, but, you know, i'm not going to defend it beyond theying that i don't think they should -- >> i'll tell you why, because they're stupid. they're stupid. okay, you have the atf, the doj, the i say, the pow -- we'll need a new alphabet to keep one obama's scandals. the white house, the reason they did the rose garden thing according to chuck todd, they expected euphoria over this release. that's like expecting to get drunk off milk.

in order for this to work for them, for obama's logic to work, you got to play down the evil of the five taliban while playing up the goodness of the pow. meaning you have to lie or, in obama's case, breathe. >> uh-huh. >> dana, just before -- now we look back, and we look back, you know, the timeline. in 2012, hastings -- first name? >> michael. >> outlined a piece and a letter that some of his teammate received or saw right before bergdahl walked away. and it said he may be denouncing -- >> allegedly walked away, right? >> allegedly walked away. he may be denouncing america. he may have even looked at possibly joining the taliban. is that -- >> so i don't think it's unreasonable for everyone to be questioning this when the only information that we have are for soldiers serving with honor and distinction. we'll get to susan rice's

comment in a moment suggesting without qualification maybe it's totally true. maybe we'll find at the end of the process that there was no questions. look, i understand serving in wartime is a complex thing. i think there's four basic issues, and i'm not going to give explanations, i'm just going to list them. one is how the white house handled this in the rose garden ceremony when they could have just done a photo release of the president calling the family and saved the rose garden family for after all the questions were answered and he comes back to the united states. although i do think there is praise deserved for the government, and it goes to the army. the care and feeding of the family, the bergdahl family, and his community, and now him actually being rescued. i think that has been very good and they deserve high praise. the third question is, the circumstances under which he went missing or ended up in the taliban hands in the first place. we have to answer to that. the fourth thing that because we don't have answers, we don't understand from president obama is what precisely are the assurances that made him think that it was worth the risk to

have one soldier return -- and i'm for him coming back -- but was it worth the risk for the possibility of the additional terror attacks that these guys couldn't admit? >> can i hold you for this sound bite? i know you want to weigh in, but this is important. dana brings up something very important. take a listen to president obama, if you listen to that question and answer from poland, later on he said something very important. listen to this. >> in terms of potential @@@@@@ef release of th taliban who are being held in guantanamo was conditioned on the qataris keepingize o them. and creating a structure in which we can monitor their activities we will be keeping eyes them. >> reuter reported within hours from a high-level source that's simply not the case. i'm quoting here, "they can move around freely within the country," says a senior gulf official.

"no u.s. official will be involved in monitoring their movement while in the country." what's going on here? the president says something, within reuters reports the exact opposite is going on. >> yeah, and i agree with bob who made the point yesterday. it's not exactly the same thing negotiating with the taliban and negotiating with saudi arabia or qatar. bob makes a good point when he says there's a very fine line between them. so it's not surprising that when they go to qatar they're not going to be jailed and imprisoned, and probably will get back to afghanistan quicker than we thought. i do want to weigh in on the white house decision to do this. in that same michael hastings "rolling stone" piece, it talks about how the president wanted to do this prisoner release in an election year. and richard holbrook's replacement warned that is not going to look very good. they decided to do it. now and i think the biggest issue is because the the special having a fire sale in afghanistan. i heard a fox contribute or, a democrat, earlier say, look, the

president declared an end to this war, we would have had to release them anyway. that's going to be the new talking point here. what is paramountains to this administration is politics. politics, they thought that they could in an election year release these prisoners and get the fanfare. they thought this weekendy that ikd get the same -- weekend, they could get the same fanfare. they thought the media would cover like they have in many scandals and didn't consider the blow back of the reports. they actually have tried to seal these reports? why do they have the soldiers signing nondisclosure agreements? why c they tried to, as hastings reported, suppress the reports? why? because what matters most is in an election year rallying the base, and the one thanks matters the base the most is he hasn't made good on his promise, closing gitmo. now that he's got 149 prisoners remaining, he can transfer them to neutral countries and say, "i closed it." >> listen, can we keep something in mind here -- there have been

prisoners relived from guantanamo within months of the time it's opened. and the laststration released a whole lot of -- last administration released a whole lot of them. they sent them to the countries of origin. they weren't in exchange. but nonetheless -- >> why these five? if he get rid of the most dangerous, he can transfer the rest that aren't as dangerous -- >> the other thing is, you said your source in the gulf. i mean, you -- >> not my source, not my source. no, this is reuters' source. this is reuters' source -- >> i can't give a damn whose source it is. if they're commenting on the president of the united states and won't go on the record saying it -- >> high-level guys, not low-level operatives. these are deputy intel minister, communications minister of the taliban. bob, let me -- we'll -- answer this, though. some reports, some accounts say six people died trying to bring sergeant bergdahl back. some accounts say 14 people died trying to bring him back. some ngts say we don't know how

many because how many people died capturing these five that we let go. was this worth it? did the obama administration make a mistake doing this now? >> i mean, i don't -- listen, there is a standard policy that you go after your own when they're out in the field, if you're -- if they're held prisoner. could there have been a better way to do it? could they have wait a while and done it one strike? maybe that's right. but the military made the decision to send them after this guy. you can't quarterback it on monday and say it was a bad decision. >> what about -- once they found out some of the things, they were learning more intel about bergdahl as time went. remember, he was -- >> i'm for getting him back. i'm for getting him back for the hasty as well as finding out what happened and finding out what he said or if he didn't leave, what happened this. because it's -- one, it's our system. in terms of transparency. it's also just human. we deserve some answers on this. and the five that they're talking about that got released,

this is not like going on parole for a bank fraud violation. these were serious criminals. you're right, bob, in 2007, there was one in particular who is actually akarasul, he leaves gitmo under assurances similar, goes back, and ends up perpetrating some of the worst atrocities afterward. president obama maintains that he's going to have explain this. he maintains that closing gitmo will make us safer. i don't understand where the connection is that he feels so reassured. and if he is so reassured, could he share it with us so we don't worry, as well? >> bush gets a lot of heat from the press, why is it that he didn't get heat for that release, and yet obama -- >> he did. the gives there's -- bob, there's so many differences, how do i begin? he didn't tr those guys. he didn't trade a prisoner of war for -- they're like lower level people that were caught up in the -- in the battlefield. if i could say also, president obama has declared an end to the

war in afghanistan. he has not declared an end to the war on terror, as much as he would like to. most of the people that are in gitmo, maybe they were picked up in afghanistan, but they've been picked up all over the world. they're terrorists, enemy combatants, not prisoners of war. that's a difference. >> do we try this guy now? >> i think you have to. i think -- when you listen to the people who know him, there's something fishy there. going back to obama's foreign philosophy which was don't do stupid stuff, he admits he released killers who will kill again. this is interesting because it reminds you who president obama is, which is why a lot of people like him. he's a cold calculator. he makes mr. spom seem like stewart smalley. he knows there will be blow back and people will die. no wonder every city with a liberal mayor has such high crime rates. they don't understand evil. >> under obama hundreds were released from guantanamo. not necessarily the hay-level

operatives -- these are bad, bad guys, that will probably if back. but -- [ all talking at once ] >> the last 185 or the last 220 are the hardest ones to try to figure out -- >> under obama's definition these were the hardest. >> in january, 2009, there was an attempt to see if there was a big chunk of them could be sent back to yemen. that -- thankful at the didn't happen because that would have turned out to be a disaster. >> it's raining yemen. >> let me do this. president obama is also in some hot water over ignoring a law requiring he give congress 30 days' notice before moving a gitmo detainee. this morning, president o. said he had been consulting with congress all along, a claim that is news to house intelligence chair mike rogers. watch. >> we have consulted with congress for quite some time about the possibility that we might need to execute a prisoner exchange in order to recover bergdahl. >> i don't know what he means for some time.

in 2011 they presented a plan that included a prisoner transfer. >> okay. >> that was -- in a bipartisan way -- pushback. we hadn't heard anything since on any details -- >> nothing since 2011. >> nothing. >> that was the point. >> public, as a former presidential legislative affairs direct director, do you think that actually will cut it? >> we used to cut -- that was the way we got around it. >> that's what he's doing. he knows. >> he chairs the house intelligence committee -- >> he knows he has to give 30 days' notice. he signed that law. he's been able it get away with it, why would he care? to dana's point about how he specifically declared the war on afghanistan over, he actually has gone out of his way to say we're not ad war with radical islam. so it's not surprising that the president doesn't understand that these prisoners are going to go back, one and three, go

back and fight in jihad. and all of this has to do with re-election -- i call it box-checking. closing policies, closing gitmo, see what we can get done. >> this doesn't exactly rally the base. >> in a very big way it does. >> i think it's backfiring. i think a lot of democrats are distancing, including the senate intel chairman -- chairwoman, dianne feinstein, who said it wasn't good enough for the white house to apologize today. but it's hard to say. there is compassion that needs to be considered for the family and whatever he went through at the time. >> yeah. you never know what could happen if you're in the situation. here's how it's going to work. i believe in the next week, the white house undertook something for purely political reasons as the "rolling stone" article dictates. if you call him on it, it's you who will be regarded as political. personally, if you criticize this trade, you're probably going to be racist, islamic-phobic, and beardist.

i wouldn't have traded five scumbags -- >> you'd let him stay there, right? and you don't -- >> i didn't say this. i did not say that. >> i think there's an argument to be made that if in fact he did desert -- >> if he did desert -- >> if he left a letter saying i'm leaving, denouncing my american citizenship, i have, you know, i have sympathies for some of the things the taliban is doing which allegedly is going on. i think then you reconsider giving up five guys that possibly a lot of people -- >> those letters were there and available -- >> that's why it's interesting. all of a sudden there is acceptance among the intel community. as early as 2013, the intel community, james clapper and then leon panetta was asked are you comfortable with these five because president obama's been working on this since the michael hastings article ran. they said absolutely not because we're too worried about what these five will do if they return to the battlefield. all of a sudden that gets solved and they don't tell congress?

there are legitimate questions that have been raised. >> also hillary clinton was against it, as well. >> true. >>ly didn't want to be viewed -- he didn't want to be viewed as cutting and running. it seems both parties are divided on this. him staying there and being held captive is something that if you're in favor of the war, you probably prefer him coming home -- this is where liberal and some on the right agree with ending the war -- you will support. >> they're yelling in my ear. we'll hear a lot more including from several u.s. soldier when served with bergdahl at the time he disappeared. all of them ascribe him as a deserter who should be held accountable for his actions. you'll also hear from the parents of one soldier who died while searching for him. and now the obama administration of lying to them, all coming up. she's still the one for you.

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there are a lot of mixed reactions about freed american soldier, bowe bergdahl, who may have voluntarily left his unit five years ago in afghanistan. troops who served alongside him seem to be united in their feelings about him. >> i mean, he's at best a deserter and at worst a traitor. >> the general feeling was that he deserted us and walked off and left us. >> he is not a hero, but he is rather a deserter. >> he violated his oath when he deserted us and put other americans in jeopardy. >> he should be tried as a deserter and court-martialed. >> i just want him to face the consequences of his own actions and possibly face court-martial for desertion. >> at least six u.s. soldiers are believed to have lost their lives while searching for bergdahl. the parents of one appeared on "fox and friends" this morning and called out the

administration for allegedly lying to them about it. they say they were told their son was on a different mission when he was killed. >> i found out through facebook of all places that he was killed while they were on a mission looking for bergdahl. >> was the government lying to you? >> they certainly weren't telling the truth. i'm sure part of the mission may have had an actual search involved, but evidently the focus was looking for bergdahl. >> do you think there was a cover-up? >> yes. >> i think it was a cover-up. we were told by another soldier earlier that they were told not to talk about searching for bergdahl because they didn't want to compromise bergdahl's situation with the taliban. >> obviously heartbreaking stuff to hear the families of these soldiers who risked their lives but stayed true to the mission leave no man behind, tried to

pursue him. "the washington times" is reporting special forces did locate him, but they wouldn't risk rescue because he was a deserter. it sounds like the military did suspect that he was and followed protocol. >> yeah. i never was comfortable with calling him that, but everybody involved in this seams to believe it's the case. these guys will make it hard for oliver stone to make a wonderful movie about this guy. it's weird that as we approach the th anniversary for d--- 70th anniversary for d-day, we're on a different d for desertion. the white house gets an f. >> dana, does it matter -- you know, part of subcommittee a little uncomfortable with the media firing squad against a member of the military. i've never served in the military. it seems like we've heard he's a hero. then all of a sudden people are lining up to give him his last cigarette and shoot him. we don't really know so there need to be questions answered. is it helpful to hear the stories that he was a deserter? is it helpful to hear the public weigh in? >> i find that the troops that

served with him that are doing interviews because they are allowed after the ndas expire, i find them to be measured, steady, calm, and they trained under the same codes that bergdahl served under. and they have eyewitness accounts that question it. i think it's helpful to learn the truth. the truth is what we're -- i think everybody is after it. these guys are not uncompassionate, but they also realize that the anguish of the bergdahl family waiting for their loved one has to be at least matched by the english of the families who lost the loved ones in the search for him. they deserve some answers. >> bob, i want you to react to the sound. former sergeant evan butreau was on with jake tapper. he believes that he -- that bergdahl was collaborating with the taliban. he says he has no proof of this, but obviously this changes

things a lot, as well. take a listen. >> he was looking for someone who spoke english so he could talk to the taliban. when we heard that, we heard he's actively seeking out the taliban. following his disappearance, ieds were going off under the trucks, getting perfect hit every time. the ambushes were calculated, methodical, like they knew what we were going to do. obviously there's no way to prove that bergdahl was feeding them that information, i can not do that. he knew our tactics, he knew exactly how we'd react to certain things. >> even simple desertion is a capital crime in the u.s. military. if they investigate and it shows that he is basically a traitor, what needs to happen? >> these guys may have not been allowed to talk to the media until he was released, but they could have talked to the military commanders. and if they're so convinced this guy was a deserter, one after another says he's a deserter, this guy leaves the impression that he actually not only

deserted but set up people, u.s. military people to get killed which is an unbelievably accusation -- >> after leaving. after leaving, bob, not before. >> okay. but if all this is what they thought, why they didn't -- maybe did report it to the military. if they did, then why would you go after it in the first place? that's what i don't understand. >> why do we know this? why is it classified -- >> ask the department of defense. don't ask me. >> no. but either -- is president obama and the administration going to let this thing continue to fester and blow up? really this is -- the democrats can't be happy this is going on right now. >> i think obama -- >> he's forced to declassify what they know so we know what they know. he. >> he needs to haul over to the joint chiefs and ask exactly what they knew and when they knew it. >> i can't imagine they didn't do it before. why would they have sign them non-disparage agreement? to have soldiers sworn to secrecy and to have some break their secrecy on national

television. >> this is another where obama will say i found out it it. >> the suggestion here is that if the military knew of these allegations and were convinced this guy was a deserter and maybe in collusion with the taliban, then that means that obama had to know about it. and if obama had to know, to have that rose garden ceremony, he's not a stupid man. he's not a stupid politician. you think -- if he knew all this stuff, do you think he'd go out with the family and do that? >> maybe he's not a stupid man. but he's not a great leader. he's a grad student. grad students hold certain academic beliefs that lead to these conclusions. this is all going to be great. we'll have a lovely picture, him walking away with the parents. many while, there are all these unanswered questions that should have been answered beforehand. >> it's your fault for answering. >> our fault for bringing it up. >> i'm sure not one expected this much blow back from this many people that bergdahl was in the trenches with.

i'm sure they. >> they must have talked to these guys. i can't imagine how they wouldn't. >> they succeeded in suppressing the a.p. and "new york times'" reporting on bowe bergdahl being a deserter in the first place y. wouldn't they be able to suppress it now? >> this is one case where you can't say the press is covering up for obama. they're all after him. >> i agree. and jake tapper was on top of this from the start. got give him credit. >> wrote a book about it. >> msnbc have been hands off on this. they're letting us do the dirty work first, and -- >> not us -- >> got to go. we have a whole other block on this. we have a whole other block. next, the soldiers who served with bergdahl say he was a deserter. but susan rice went on the sunday shows again and said he served with honor and distinction. plus, why is the administration all of a sudden calling bergdahl a prisoner of war when it avoided that designation for years? all coming up.

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one thing clear about bowe bergdahl is that there are plenty of questions about how he ended up in taliban hands. the pentagon declared in 2010 that he walked away from his unit. the national security adviser, susan rice, who, remember, repeated bad information on five sunday shows in 2012 about benghazi, was back on the air this weekend and unequivocal about bergdahl's service. >> sergeant bergdahl wasn't simply a hostage, he was an american prisoner of war cap duringed on the battle -- captured on the battlefield. he served the united states with honor and distinction. >> andrea, if anybody is going to go on the sunday shows, and if you are her staff, don't you make sure that everything is locked down tight and at least you get some qualification to say we're glad he's home, we know there are questions, we're going to get back to with all of those, but we're glad he's home? >> i am utterly stunned that a woman in such a senior position again could repeat the same mistake by going out and

repeating utter fabrication. dana, i do not believe that for one second she didn't know the controversy around bergdahl, i'm not sure if they're intentionally deceitful or incompetent. it seem every time there's an issue we sit around asking intentional deceit or incompetence. and if you -- if you do, going back to the "rolling stone" article, not exactly a conservative publication. hafg report there was an -- hastings reports there was an official cover-up to keep bergdahl's name out of the paper. dana, they knew last week, remember, pressure on the us what about the v.a. president obama thought if i can shift to look like i'm helping a soldier instead of hurting one, this is a win for me. shows how out of touch and inexperienced he is at the highest levels. >> i know susan rice. you may say a lot of things about her, but she's not dumb. >> nobody said she was dumb. >> the idea that somehow they had a conspiracy in the white house to get away with this to

get through the election in 2014 is mind-boggling. >> something like the idea that she would repeat talking points that would change and she willfully changed and would repeat them anyway is mind-boggling? wait a minute, wasn't that two years ago at that same thing happened? >> i don't know. i don't talk about that -- >> you don't? maybe you should think about it. >> you can expand on, it ache, go ahead. do you think this is just -- it doesn't surprise me that she wouldn't have just been -- she could have rounded the edges a little bit and felt protected. >> i don't know. they're so brazen, arrogant, and they don't know -- >> not brazen. >> you can say. i said she's brazen and arrogant to say that he served with honor and distinction when some of their own reports say he may have walked away. may have collaborated. we don't know. it's with all the information that -- >> this is -- with all the information that was there, you actually believe that they came up with a strategy that would

have have gotten away -- >> and benghazi did they not? it was the same thing. they're made up of fabricated strategy. >> and this what do you think? >> i don't buy it one bit. >> the answers about as straight as lombard street, a combination of evasiveness and competence make her as credible as a nigerian e-mail. when she tells the truth, it's almost entirely by accident. when you're watching her spin, it's like watching clothes in a dryer. you get nauseous. i think this is the strategy. it's a brilliant strategy. it confused everyone by the incompetence. you can't keep up. you can focus on one clown, baugh focus on a three-ring -- but you can't focus on a three-ring circus. she's incompetent. this is the most incompetent group of people -- >> you keep saying lie. >> they're not mutually exclusive things, though. they can be both. >> the story was here that -- >> he could she not know, bob? how could you not know? go on google. >> that's my point. >> if anyone needs to be

careful, it should be her. >> i agree with that, too. >> she lied about what happened, n benghazi because she was told to. >> if the white house had a cartoon mascot, it would be school boardy dubious. >> all right. that's a great way to end it. all right. we'll change subjects. since when is wearing a grass skirt at a party a racist act? we'll have the latest. [ male announcer ] hands were made for playing.

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u.c. irvine's phi gamma delta fraternity, phigi, have been dubbed racist for their charity event where they wore grass skirt and coconut bras. in a letter, the frat was guilty of "committing an act of cultural appropriation and publicly projecting their ethno-graphic ignorance." yes, the hottest nonsense buzz words for spoiled separatists, cultural appropriation.

defined as adopting something from another culture like wearing a some barrera, holding a peace pipe, or whining, yeah, whining. i accuse these students of this because they clearly stole their moaning from the rest of whiny america. i'm offended and demand an apology. this is a consequence of leisure derived from decades of sacrifice of life and labor through war and risk culminating in a country filled with sourpusses and spare time. we now have a bottomless baby mill shrinking at every perceived slight. it's called college. without all -- with all this sound and fury comes something, just another howl in a parade of carping designed to draw attention and make you feel special as one claims to want a cultural rainbow, he really craves splinters of division, for anger gets the press. that's a culture no one should ever appropriate. instead, wear your coconut bras with pride. i do, and they chafe. i should wear them on my chest. >> gross. oh, my gosh. >> you have no idea what i'm talking about. >> yes, i do.

>> wear -- i should wear them on my head. >> do you wear anything under your grass skirt? >> that's for you to find out. what am i saying? this is an attack on fun, bob. >> i'm very guilty here because i have in fact worn coconut bras and had a grass skirt and did it over four days -- >> i don't think anyone is shocked. >> walk around on the campus. i would not downtown the college. i bet -- indict the college. i bet most think it's ridiculous. i mean, when i did it, nobody said anything except "you're drunk," which is true. >> might have said "nice abs." >> who's offended? >> a student group. called the act egregious. egregious against whom, though? hawaiian people? >> yes, fiji. >> pacific islanders. >> they're called phigi because that's the fraternity -- >> phi gamma delta. >> there's no evidence anybody actually wore historically or

culturally coconut bra. there is no -- you can't find picture -- >> sure you can. >> where? i tried. >> walking across the campus. >> as a culturally appropriate -- >> did you not watch "gilligan's island"? >> our own harris faulkner did research. you're right, they did not wear coconut bras. traditionally they went topless. i guess the girls in the spirit of multiculturalism should have been topless and said -- bob, don't go there. how come it's cultural appropriation when the liberal elitists don't agree with it, but it is multiculturalism and a celebration of diversity when they do? i want you to apologize to me, greg, because if thursday's a luau day at the house, friday's our toga day. i think it's so rude to the greeks that you wear sheets every friday. >> especially when they're not clean. >> gross. >> this is not the cultural elite nonetheless. >> it is a small group of students i guess from fiji who believe that the great, great

grandmother used to walk around with coconuts. can you imagine how bad that would hurt -- >> bob, girls in coconut bras and drinking beers, luaus -- >> imagine the strength it would pull -- >> no comment. >> not hot girls -- >> europeans. >> his a chafe on my chest for months. >> last word to dana. do you get the feeling that students with real problems, real problems do not waste their time on this? they're not just students but people around the world who would wish they had this issue. >> it could be that there were people like this in the past that -- before social media, nobody would have paid attention. now they've got a whole segment on -- i can rock a pair. >> really? >> should see. >> i'm going to ban that phrase. i could rock a pair of anything. >> i'm in the middle of the show, banning the phrase -- >> i could rock something. what is this? >> why don't we all wear grass skirts one day? >> we will. >> why not? >> tomorrow, bob.

you come in one. >> i'm not going to be here, but i will wear one on friday. i will. if i can find one. >> they're telling me to leave. bob's got some news he's excited to report about the minimum wage. stay tuned about that coming up.

. this being the liberal block, it's 2 minutes and 45 seconds. today i want to congratulate the state city of seattle. they voted to increase the city's minimum wage to $15 an hour which will make it the highest in the nation when it goes into effect in 2017. congratulations to them. finally people have a living wage. they don't have to work 80 hours a week to feed their kids. that's great. >> that's hilarious. >> why? >> that you think it's working 80 hours.

minimum wage is for people on the lowest wrung. by the way, this policy came from a socialist. i love socialists who live like you like a capitalist. you fret about your taxes while flying first class. it amazes me that a country that beats the world at everything adopts policies of losers. >> why would i fly with you losers? >> let the other people suffer while i'm in first class. >> there are a lot of older people walking these minimum wage jobs. >> older people are now going to take the jobs that the minimum wage -- by the way, fast food workers typically are young kids working through school. >> have you been through a mcdonald's? >> forget all that stuff. i'll just make a bet with you. two years down the road and see the unemployment rate in seattle now and what it is two years as this thing is implemented and i bet you my bottom dollar it will

be higher then than now. >> i'll take that bet. yesterday president obama said it will cost an average of $200 to $300 more per year for electricity. you can earn more money but you're going to pay a lot more under president obama's policy. >> if you have a job i'm sure you're excited about it. have you run a business of minimum wage? >> i haven't. i think it's slave labor. >> it should be what you get, bob. >> these business owners are panicked. i agree with eric. check back in a year or two and see. >> they raised minimum wage in new jersey and no unemployment happened. >> you went from 7.25. everyone is going to come around to see if they can find a job. these business owners are going

to say we can't afford it. labor over demand. >> look how much more money will be spent in seattle? >> who? >> people get $15 an hour -- >> they can't pay the $15. that's the other end of the equation. >> they'll cut hours. >> government spending wages is not capitalism. >> it certainly isn't capitalism. >> then you better buy the book called capitalism. >> they're trying to get us out of slave labor. >> you can't call that slave labor. that's insulting to a lot of people. >> they do better in china than here in mcdonald's. one more thing, up next. so you can have a getaway from what you know. so you can be surprised by what you n't. get o times the points on travel and dining at restaurants from chase sapphire preferred.

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time for one more thing. quick round. >> maybe he was jet lagged or still tired from cleaning his yacht over memorial day weekend but john kerry caught on tape falling asleep next to susan rice listening to president obama drone on in europe. look. >> towards what purpose and what does that mean for members of n.a.t.o.? all of us are interested in russia -- >> he did respond on twitter a little while ago and he said, it was just a really long blink. we've all been there. >> exactly. bob, you're up. >> i want to do something i've

never done before. i want to congratulate the national rifle association who has now taken on these idiots in texas, these right wingers, who think the nra is liberal, who want to bring their weapons of mass destruction into restaurants. the nra sent them a letter saying that you are downright weird. that's true. yahoo right wing crazy fashist nuts. >> how do you really feel? >> danny, you're up. >> randal hughes who is a pop artist, made this original artwork for me. is that beautiful? it has a name. jasper. >> that's beautiful, and love it. >> it's made out of human skin, dana. this is disgusting. >> i love it. >> can you love it under the table. >> can you open an art gallery. >> let's move on.

>> i want to elaborate. time for -- i hate these people! current times we see a lot of men ever where walking around with a battle of water like they're cowboys and they need a canteen. when they're done they do this, áñ noise. stop it! it drives me crazy! i hate you! >> i agree. >> i know it drives you crazy. >> i'm going to preview something i do every friday. i think it's going to be called fool of the week or biggest buff foon of the week. i'll highlight it on friday. we'll talk about it then. >> don't call it pinhead. >> anybody on the five? >> i almost went with chris

hayes. >> he deserves it. >> we have to leave right there. check your dvr. special report is up next. drilling down on the deal to freed an american pow. who is bowe bergdahl? was he a deserter? plus president obama's adjust face for pulling the trigger on a highly controversial swap. this is special report. good evening. i'm shannon breen in for bret baier. president obama is making no apologies tonight for the prisoner exchange that freed an american soldier, but released what's being called a taliban dream team of terrorists. his defiance is not stopping the outcry over a deal many say should never have been