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steadily ramming up our security assistance to the iraqi government with increased training, equiping and intelligence. now iraq needs additional support to break the momentum of extremist groups and bolster the capabilities of iraqi security forces. we will not be sending u.s. troops back into combat in iraq but i have asked my national security team to prepare a range of other options that could help support iraq security forces and i will be reviewing those options in the days ahead. i do want to be clear though, this is not solely or even primarily a military challenge. over the past decade american troops have made extraordinary sacrifices to give iraqis the opportunity to claim their own future. unfortunately iraqi leaders have been unable to overcome too often the mistrust and secretaryian differences long
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been simmering there. that created vulnerabilities within the iraqi government and their security forces. so any action we may take to provide assistance to iraqi security forces has to be joined by a serious, sincere effort by iraq leaders to set aside sectarian difference, promote stability and account for the legitimate interests of all of iraq's communities and to continue to build the capacity of an effective security force. we can't do it for them. and in the absence of this type of political effort, short-term military action including any assistance we might provide won't succeed. so this should be a wake-up call. iraq's leaders have to demonstrate a willingness to make hard decisions and compromises on behalf of the iraqi people in order to bring the country together. in that effort they will have the support of the united states and our friend and our allies.
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now iraq's neighbors also have some responsibilities to support this process. nobody has an interest in seeing terrorists gain a foothold inside of iraq and nobody is going to benefit from seeing iraq descend into chaos. so the united states will do our part but understand that ultimately it is up to iraqis as a sovereign nation to solve their problems. indeed across the region we have redoubled our efforts to help build more capable counterterrorism forces so groups like isil can't establish safe haven and we'll continue that effort through our support of the moderate opposition in syria. support for iraq and its security forces and our partnership with other countries across the region. we'll pursue intensive diplomacy throughout this period both inside of iraq and across the region because there is never going to be stability in iraq or the broader region unless there are political outcomes that allow people to resolve their differences peacefully without
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resorting to war or relying on the united states military. we'll be monitoring the situation in iraq very carefully over the next several days. our top priority will remain being vigilant against any threats to our personnel serving overseas. we will consult closely with congress as we make determinations about appropriate action and we'll continue to keep the american people fully informed as we make decisions about the way forward. all right? i will take a question. >> mr. president, recent u.s. history there are you reluctant to get involved again in iraq? >> i think that we should look at the situation carefully. we have an interest in making sure that a group like isil which is a vicious organization and been able to take advantage of the chaos in syria, they don't get a broader foothold. i think there are dangers of fierce sectarian fighting in, for example, the terrorist
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organizations try to overrun sacred shia sites which could trigger shia-sunni conflicts that would be very hard to stamp out. so we have enormous interests there. obviously our troops and the american people and american taxpayers made huge investments and sacrifices in order to give iraqis the opportunity to chart a better course, a better destiny. but ultimately they will have to seize it. as i said before, we are not going to be able to do it for them. and, you know, given the very difficult history that we've seen in iraq, i think that any objective observer would recognize that in the absence of aaccommodation among the various factions inside of iraq, various military actions by the united states, by any outside nation, are not going to solve those problems over the long-term and not going to deliver kind of
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stability that we need. anybody else? >> mr. president, is the syrian civil war spilling over into the iraq border -- >> i think that has been happening for some time. isil has been able to gain a foothold in syria. that is part of reason why we've been so concerned about it. that is part of the reason we've been supporting syrian opposition there. but it is a challenging problem. in iraq, the iraqi government which was initially resistant to some of our offers of help has come around to recognize that cooperation with us on some of these issues can be useful. obviously that is not the case in syria where president assad has no interest in seeing us involved there and where some of the government's that are supporting assad have been able to block, for example, u.n. efforts, even at humanitarian aid. but, this is a regional problem and it is going to be a
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long-term problem and, what we're going to have to do is combine selective actions by our military to make sure that we are going after terrorists who could harm our personnel overseas or eventually hit the homeland, we're going to have to combine that with what is a very challenging international effort to try to rebuild countries and communities that have been shattered by sectarian war. and that's not an easy task. >> [inaudible] what are they willing to do as part of this international effort? >> we're in contact with them now. we've have a better sense by end of the weekend after those consultations and we will be getting a better sense from them of how they might support an effort to bring, bring about the kind of political unity inside of iraq that bolsters security forces.
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look, the united states has poured a lot of money into these iraqi security forces and we devote ad lot of training to iraqi security forces. the fact that they are are not willing to stand and fight and defend their posts against admittedly hardened terrorists but not terrorist who is are overwhelming in numbers, indicates that there's a problem with morale. there's a problem in terms of commitment and ultimately that is rooted in the political problems that have plagued the country for a very long time. last question. last one. >> thank you. can you talk a little bit about u.s. concern of the disruption, potential disruption much oil supplies? >> well so far at least we have not seen major disruptions in oil supplies. obviously, if in fact isil was able to obtain control over
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major output, significant refineries, that could be a source of concern. as you might expect world oil markets react to any kind of instability in the middle east. one of our goals should be to make sure in cooperation with other countries in the region, not only are we creating some sort of a backstop in terms of what is happening inside of iraq but if there do end up being disruptions inside of iraq, some of the other producers in the gulf are able to pick up the slack. so that will be part of the consultations that will be taking place during the course of this week. just to give people a sense of timing here although events on the ground in iraq have been happening very quickly, our ability to plan whether military action or working with government of iraq on political
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issues, will take several days. people should not anticipate this is something that will happen overnight. we want to make sure that we have good eyes on the situation there. we want to make sure we've gathered all the intelligence that is necessary so if in fact i do direct and order any actions there, that they're targeted, they're precise, and they will have an effect. and as i indicated before and i want to make sure everybody understands this message, the united states is not simply going to involve itself in a military action in the absence of a political plan by the iraqis that gives us some assurance that they're prepared to work together. we're not going to allow ourselves to be dragged back into a situation in which while we're there keeping a lid on things and after enormous sacrifices by us, as soon as we're not there, suddenly people end up acting in ways that are not conducive to the long-term
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stability and prosperity of the country. all right? thank you very much, everybody. >> sergeant bergdahl, now that he is home? >> you've seen the president talk about the growing crisis in iraq today out on white house lawn. as he begins to board. he will be traveling there soon. two things that really stuck out that the president said there about our involvement in iraq where we spent already so much blood and treasure and left, you saw the president declared it was over. president obama saying that. but now with this new crisis he says we'll not be sending in troops. i have asked my flags security team for options at this point -- national security team. he went on to say we can not do it for them, meaning iraqis and iraq leadership. this is a wake-up call for iraq and their leadership there. with we are joined today by some others here. i want to get to ed henry in a moment. we are "outnumbered." i'm harris faulker. go around the horn quickly. kimberly gill file is here. heather childers, katie pavlich
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and today's hashtag #oneluckygue house correspondent, ed henry. he is you'd numbered. normally you're taking that trip with the president and you're here with us now. your thought. >> one of the new things is time line. we thought how quickly the u.s. would act, when he said several days we'll not see airstrikes this weekend, maybe next week. he seeps very cautious. i think his allies will say after what happened in iraq over the neck decades or so, caution may be a good idea. this is vicious organization this, al qaeda offshoot. we have to make sure we have american interests there. we can't let them get a bigger hoot hold, guess what? they have overtaken two cities in iraq. they're marching towards baghdad. this situation before he make as decision several days from now, they could be in baghdad by then. i would have liked to hear a couple more questions, such as mr. president, do you still think al qaeda is on the run
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like you said in 2012. and number two, do you think pulling out of iraq without troops being left behind is a success like he said before? there are no easy answers. this is dire situation. >> before we have a wider discussion about all the semantics and politics i want to drill down where our people are in iraq because there is great concern today that baghdad could be next. for isil, islamic state terror group we keep hear the president and others talk about with that acronym, they're considered more dangerous than any al qaeda militant group we've seen. they are well-heeled. they knocked off the bank reportedly in mosul. they have over $400 million. they're rolling our humvees through the cities, to paint a picture. our people, what is it like for our people, our people in the embassy there? >> some have to be terrified. we have thousands of people. we talk about the combat troops that came home. we still have men and women from the u.s. government there in
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embassy in baghdad. we saw u.s. personnel evacuated at the airbase. talk about the al qaeda offshoot group is said to be worse than al qaeda as our own bret baier reported last year. they're an offshoot in part because their tactics are even nastier, even worse terrorists. lindsey graham yesterday after a briefing behind closed doors. look out, what i heard scared the hell out of me what might be next in iraq. think about u.s. military weapons have gone to iraq. the state department is investigating corporate these terrorists have those weapons now. that's a big deal. >> what i took from this, so apparent, obama's lack of military experience or understanding of modern warfare really put the united states at peril today. he didn't move the ball. didn't say anything he didn't
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say yesterday. he waiting, waiting. that is fair criticism. we wait too long and we're operating at further disadvantage. you think it sends the wrong message to our enemies. we're not backing our allies or interests we put so much into. >> i think big message from me here, the people taking these cities, is this army of terrorists. not a couple here. this administration makes a huge mistake classify terrorists as unsophisticated groups of militias. really they're highly sophisticated. they have heavy weaponry. they're willing to get rid of anyone in their way, muslims, christians, anyone who get in their way. they're beheading everyone along the way. for the president to go out and say we're kind of not getting involved it is up to iraqis. iraqis have been begging for two years. president obama installed the prime minister who is there now. malaki didn't win the election. president obama made that decision. president obama failed to negotiate a status of forces agreement. he blamed iraqis and acted like it was them who doesn't want the
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agreement when they did. for him to be stepping back to say we'll not really make any moves at this point, these guys are 70 miles outside baghdad. >> malaki is not a good actor. he started in the bush administration. he in fact, reason why we didn't get a status of forces agreement because he would not allow u.s. troops to stay behind without legal liability. god forbid a u.s. service member shot a iraqi civilian, they could have been prosecuted as you know. we can't -- >> those weren't acceptable terms. >> malaki is not a good actor. >> president left the conversation before it was over because he made a political decision. what we're seeing now is the outcome of making political decisions instead of foreign policy decisions based on what your generals are telling you. president obama made at love campaign promises. he broke a lot of them. these are the only ones he kept. we're seeing severe consequences. >> when you talk about the possibility of air support in this situation, that is not really possible if you don't have support of anyone on the ground to determine what targets
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are being hit. >> that's right. >> when i listened to the president i think about the troops who returned home that were wounded. that was over 32,000. the troops who did not return home, who lost their lives there. that was over four thousand of those. they did it for what? in iraq it is happening all over again. they have returned home, severely wounded some of them. for what? the situation is even worse. >> two years ago, u.s. general buchanan was the spokesperson and said these words. we might put it up on the screen. if iraqi forces could in the put pressure on them they could regenerate. they are he is talking about the isis or isil now. it is interesting to see them with our gear and our weapons. how they're doing this is really frightening.
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what senator graham reported today, they are beheading people as they go along town to town. these are difficult details to listen to. maybe the president isn't telling us everything. >> heather makes a good point. if you launch us air strikes an iraqi military on the ground can't do anything to support the efforts and follow up and go after the bad guys. we could kill some of them. what will you do after? in recent days we've seen the iraqi military dropping their uniforms and weapons an running. >> what military was left it got pretty much dismantled after saddam hussein. >> you can't throw your hands up. we're operating at a disadvantage because there has been very poor decision-making. we don't have intelligence on the ground. these guys operate through couriers. they are being very careful. unless you have special forces or some kind of a contingency on the ground to give real time intel back, we're relying on satellite images.
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this is the problem because we're getting it way too late. now as a result we have a situation on our hands that is not okay, not acceptable. stay out of iraq. that is not what we do. you have to finish the job. if he listened to the commanders to begin with we wouldn't being in this position. he should have pressed the point at negotiating table when he had advantage to do so. >> you guys are make argument for the question i asked. maybe the president isn't telling us everything. maybe there is a secret mission over the weekend but we don't know. >> president obama didn't give any confidence people who are scared and in the path of these people. he didn't strike any fear into the terrorists on the march right now. bring it back to what heather is saying. what is it worth? a lot of people died in iraq. i sent a message to a friend i had, who was iraqi when we went over there. he risked his life to become a translator for our armed forces there. he sent me this message. i'm so dispointed what is happening there. i was always proud to be member of the operation iraqi freedom.
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i feel we lost everything. we are back to zero. he was there and he risked everything. his family. his life. he is living in the united states as american citizen. that really gives you a good picture what is going on there. >> similar decisions coming up in afghanistan. there are lessons we'll learn now we have to apply the second war which is really the first war. >> president obama will come from both side. one will be delay in this decision as kimberly has talked about. they asked for help more than 60 days ago in iraq. the other will come from his own base, you said you would end war. looks like now the nation is going right back into it. >> he said the base said not our responsibility. they are saying walk away. >> the president talks about it before he heads off for the weekend. >> will go to an indian reservation in north dakota and then on to palm springs, california. >> not the welcome you expect for a soldier held four years by
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the taliban. sergeant bergdahl arrived on u.s. soil in dead of night. now he is back here in the united states. new developments. we're learning why he may have vanished in the first placeen fm his army post. corn dogs? you are so outta here! aah! [ female announcer ] the complete balanced nutrition of great-tasting ensure. 24 vitamins and minerals, antioxidants, and 9 grams of protein. [ bottle ] ensure®. nutrition inharge™. [ bottle ] ensure®. ugh. heartburn. did someone say burn? try alka seltzer reliefchews. they work just as fast and are proven to taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm. amazing. yeah, i get that a lot. alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief.
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call the now -- bergdahl now back on u.s. soil. now, instead of parades and marching bands, the soldier whisked off to a medical facility for further evaluation, all as the firestorm intensifies and we learn more about why he may have walked away from his army post. the daily beast saying it got hold of what are believed to be bergdahl's letters sent from captivity in which he reportedly writes about his unit, quote: leadership was lacking. it's not nonexistent. the conditions were bad and looked to be getting worse for the men who were actually the ones risking their lives from attack. those words getting this sharp response from one of bergdahl's former platoon mates on "the can kelly file." >> now we know he deserted for a fact. he just admitted in these letters that he deserted. as far as his excuses go, they
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still do not excuse his actions. it was all rough on everybody there. the rest of us were still in the same conditions they he was, ane decided to uphold our oath and not desert. >> all right. so, listen, this is pretty consistent across the board, ed, that we are seeing everybody that has served there that has actual knowledge, they had realtime knowledge at the time where this whole issue of the desertion, did it occur or not, they're all coming out very strong saying, look, there you go, now are you going to believe us? here are his own words. >> i think the bottom line is now while he's on u.s. soil, we've got to at least give him a chance to recover, get back with his family. that's important. there's going to be a pause here. but after that you'll remember, you know, the generals, secretary hagel and others have promised there's going to be an investigation and potentially a court-martial. and with this evidence piling up, sooner or later he's going to have to face justice. if, in fact, these letters are true and if, in fact, he deserted, number one, he's going to have to pay a price for that,
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but number two, the obama administration's going to have a problem because susan rice said a couple weeks ago he served with honor and -- >> yeah. $300,000 in back pay. if we want to put this now in terms of the pax payer and -- taxpayer and why this is so important. yes, it's important for why the swap was made with the five taliban commanders to know what we were swapping for, but he's an american, and everybody on every side of the political aisle has said and across the country have weighed in on he's an american, we bring him home. the cost of that now is really what's at issue, not whether or not we should have brought him back. his desertion, if they court-martial him, that's a whole lot of money he won't be sending. >> sure. >> so you'll see him lawyer up, a lot of things happen over the short term. >> yeah. i think it's important to go back to the obama administration, and we're seeing these letters thousand, and the platoon leaders speaking out against. it's very telling that not one man in bowe bergdahl's la toon came out to defend him. it also says a lot that the
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obama officials tried to paint his platoon leaders as if they were the ones who had the problems. and then it's very odd that bowe bergdahl, who was complaining about leadership and hard, rough times inside his platoon, would then desert to the taliban? >> right. >> i mean, is the taliban a better place to feel like you have leadership and a more comfortable situation? i don't think so. and so the obama administration, i think, is going to have to apologize, they should apologize to young men they tried to smear -- >> and silence. >> and silence who risked their lives to not only get him back, but to protect americans here at home. >> it's awkward, because once he does get back on his feet, obviously, you'd expect him to come to the white house and there'd be a celebration. but after what happened in the rose garden with his parents and the administration initially misjudging the backlash they were going to face -- >> one ceremony too many. >> yeah. i think it'll be a very, very long time before the american public hears what he has to say, and i think if and when we do,
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it will be very controlled as to what he says. you mentioned the cost, the $300,000, what, in back pay he could receive? >> right. since june of 2009. >> well, there are all the troops still over there in afghanistan, 32,000 troops that are still there, those of which who have not deserted their post, and it could come at a cost to them. their lives or being wounded because we don't know what bergdahl shared with the taliban while he was there. and being held by them. >> or what he knew. >> there's a fear the taliban commanders getting back on the battlefield -- >> which we should mention real quickly we're now knowing from this report in the weekly standard that one of the taliban five that was released helped with the lead-up to 9/11, and the military action that happened there before -- >> yeah. >> military action. >> the day before 9/11 that osama bin laden cited as being integral and crucial to the success of the mission. all right, well, a surprising response about the escalating violence in iraq. what hillary said about the fun
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saying this about the al-qaeda-inspired group seizing large parts of syria and iraq in its quest for an islamic state. listen. >> this is not just a syrian problem anymore. i never thought it was just a syrian problem. i thought it was a regional problem. i could not have predicted, however, the extent to which isis could be effective in seizing cities in iraq and trying to erase boundaries to create an islamic state. that's why it's a wicked problem. >> wicked problem. well, she couldn't have predicted that, but she did predict that the taliban five, ed, will not be a danger to americans. so what does this say about her judgment calls? >> that is going to be the key, you know? because she also did an interview with the bbc where she said her reset of russian relations was a, quote, brilliant stroke. well, it hasn't exactly worked out. [laughter] the political world saying for the longest time, you know, republicans as well as democrats saying the nomination is hers, she's going to waltz right in.
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guess what? mitt romney had the best resumé last time. she probably does this time at least on paper, and guess what? resumés don't win. judgment calls, as you say, benghazi, al-qaeda on the rise, what were her judgments there? and russia, as i mentioned. she did lead the reset of russian relations. a good effort, perhaps, but what are the results? and so she's not waltzing in. this was a rough start, but i think good news for her is that we're two years away from the democratic convention, let alone the election. so we're all going to get, you know, amped up about this -- >> and some senator lincoln who was, of course, not ever a senator, but i would ask you, kimberly, you know, in terms of her polling numbers, her favorability rating right now is 54%. by many standards that would be great, but for her not necessarily so because it seems the more people get to know her and the more she goes out and speaks, the less they like her. >> yeah. >> look, she's got some problems
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with being a polarizing figure, but i think really the headline here is she's admitted to yet another failure under her tenure as secretary of state. problematic especially during these times. people are going to be looking for decisive leadership, experience has proved itself to be successful. we don't have that track record here. so, yes, other news stories may come into play, and she'll get a break and regroup and get her optics in line in time, anything is possible. she does have the pedigree. but it doesn't look like right now she has the sas nance and -- sustenance and wherewithal to go forward. she was road to diane sawyer -- rude to diane sawyer, and maybe she's just, quite frankly, tired. i would be if i -- >> and, kate the city, when you ask -- katie, when you ask people what she accomplished during her tenure, people can't name an accomplishment. >> i'll name one, failure. [laughter] no, for her to say that i could not have predicted this, really?
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it's not like we haven't had these terrorist groups for decades. decades. not just during her tenure at the state department, for decades talking about what they're doing now in syria and iraq. when you say the democratic convention's two years away, we're going to see a lot more of al-qaeda and these terrorist groups on the march taking over huge cities in the middle east. it's going to be a real problem for her. >> you talk about judgment, wouldn't it have been under her watch that some of these decisions with regard to iraq would have been made? so now -- >> specifically, yes. >> -- over time, in a very short period of time, one of the richest-heeled terrorist groups come to fruition and one of the most dangerous in the world. >> all right. >> that's not a legacy. >> no. >> not a legacy. >> don't want to put that on the pamphlet that goes with the book. >> still to come, three major solar flares shooting out from the sun. have you heard about this? and we could be feeling the effects pretty soon. the possible shock wave that could disrupt communication systems. plus, couples who don't want to call it quits taking a
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>> no. you don't want to be in each other's hair all the time because you end up fighting more, you can't do your own thing. my wife likes to do yoga, do your own thing and get back together. i think that can be good, but if this is like you take off a few weeks, that's kind of a copout, and it's not really a marriage anymore. >> heather? >> i mean, i have never been married, but i would say that i would believe that talking it out is best. i mean, if you need some space, talk to each other about why you need that space. do something together that you both consider fun. try to do what the other person considers fun. maybe your wife could play golf with you, you could go to yoga with her -- >> wait a minute. >> that'll never happen. [laughter] >> i don't think that necessarily avoiding the problem is the best thing. talking it out and if you come to the agreement that maybe you should call it quits for good maybe, but i've never been married. [inaudible conversations] [laughter] >> here i am!
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okay. of course i've had a couple of these or maybe one. [laughter] the point is, i do think you have to be open to ideas. you want to try and save your marriage, yes, sit down, talk about it, go away for the weekend, spice spice it up. get back into what brought you together to begin with. >> yeah. >> don't ever stop dating your husband, that type of thing. that's very good. but if you're having problems, before you file for separation and all of that, why not do one of these little sabbaticals? and during the interim also soon some counseling. so you'll go and meet with a therapist while you're having the sabbatical because you're still honoring, and the focus is the marriage, but you're talking it out, and maybe you're in a better forum to be more expressive with an expert there. how's that? >> spoken like a true -- [laughter] [inaudible conversations] >> i would be afraid that the you spend enough time apart, i might come back and realize i kind of liked it when i was by myself. [laughter] >> but maybe you do? >> right. >> maybe -- >> and that's what you discover. >> and that's okay. ed's holding his tongue now.
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>> i don't know. >> what do these three pro golfers have in common? take a peek. it may not be what you think. why they say they are upset with the way they have been grouped together at the u.s. open. how's your swing? [laughter] >> pretty good. a little better than that. [laughter] we asked people a question, how much money do you think you'll need when you retire?
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>> more "outnumbered" in just a moment, but first, eric shawn with what's coming up on the second hour of "happening now." >> hillary clinton just finishing another book signing, this one in philadelphia. the former secretary of state started a book tour on tuesday for her book, "hard choices," but some are saying it looks a lot like a presidential campaign. we will analyze that. and we've heard a lot about the surprise defeat of eric cantor
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tuesday night and the scramble it set off for the leadership in the house gop. howard kurtz will be here to tell us why most of what we've heard, he says, is bunk. and are steaks actually good for your heart? a surprising new study. what it tells us about eating red meat, this is just in time for sunday's fathers' day, so we're going to get the steaks no matter what the doctor says. back to you. >> all right. [laughter] kimberly? >> i don't want to steal your thunder -- >> i may be outnumbered, but it's my turn with this story. the usga, the golf association, is in the rough at the u.s. open for reportedly grouping one set of golfers together because of their weight. when i saw it, i was pretty annoyed. i think it's cheeky. i don't think it's fair to the tree of us -- three of us. the usga saying, quote, there are some themes, you know, there's a fair amount of leeway.
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they're saying they group -- if they've got three golfers with beards, they put them together -- >> is cheeky a pun? >> i didn't plan that, but, harris, do you think, i mean, if there were three ladies who were overweight and they paired them up -- >> it's completely offensive, although if they were going to pair up three curvy girls, i think, kimberly, you and i would be -- >> i have a problem with that. that's good. >> i think it's offensive though. would they do this with two people who had other at tickets about them or three people -- attributes about them? although i think they should be angriest about their swings pic. it's about your game. >> right. kimberly, what do you think in. >> i don't know. that wasn't very nice, you know? i didn't think it was so nice. like, what is the point of that? it seems to me a little mean-spirited, and i thought golf was a gentleman's game. >> since when did you become nice? you've been all over the president -- >> you've been jumping on me, ed, and now i'm not. go back to talking about obama. >> i think that there's a
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bullying problem in the professional golf world, so maybe we should address that. >> there is? >> just like in the nfl. >> i feel like you're being sarcastic. >> they're getting bullied. >> i think that it actually might benefit these three, because there are going to be some pretty deep mark in the greens -- marks in the greens after they pass through -- >> wow. [laughter] [inaudible conversations] >> cut back a little. >> yeah. it's a strategic move perhaps. >> yeah. you think it's hot invitational so that they -- motivational? >> who knew heather childers was the mean one? >> i know. i thought you were the mean one. you're not the mean girl anymore. >> do you play golf, ed? >> i do play golf. >> all right. what do you think about this? >> i think it's silly. i mean, i think they were trying to put the guys together, like i said, i've got some fun socks -- >> you do. i put that on twitter. >> three guys with crazy socks. >> i think women would be more offended by this than men though. >> right. >> i mean, to make it about your
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weight, and you're very svelte, by the way -- >> right. when i play golf, it's three fat guys out of las vegas, so that's why -- >> oh, that was a picture of you? >> that's awful! [laughter] >> there are other ways they can group people, for sure. these guys are clearly good at what they do despite being what, i guess the golf association thinks that they should be. so if they win, good for them, and i think they should come up with better ways to do it. >> well, we've got an even better story coming up because women are learning how to rev up their own engines literally. boy, that's a pretty good tease. i am talking about all-female auto body shops. but it's not just a oil changes -- just oil changes they're doing. this is pretty interesting. >> i like it. >> wow. >> sounds good. ♪ ♪ care what age you are.
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