"special report." fair, balanced and unafraid. don't forget. father's day, sunday. "on the record" starts right now, make it a great weekend. >> it was very vicious kind of situation. >> there was nicole with her throat slashed. she was nearly beheaded. >> goldman was stabbed about 20 times. and he put up a struggle. >> there was literally a river of blood flowing down. >> the evidence was so clear. the blood evidence, the footprints.j1qú >> o.j. simpson was such a legend. no one has that famous has ever been on trial in this country. >> would not have committed this crime. >> it turned into a circus. >> if it doesn't fit, you must acquit.

>> evidence looking at was just all right there. >> these are the racist l.a. cops. >> feel changed their entire lives around this trial. >> hello, i'm greta van susteren. 20 years ago, in june of 1994, police were called to the scene of a horrendous double homicide in los angeles. left to die in a river of blood where nicole brown simpson, ex-wife of football great oj simpson and her friend ronald goldman. for these murders lasting astonishing 16 months it has h. twists and turns playing out in the courtroom while a nation watched on television. i covered the case from the beginning. when i last sat down with oj simpson 10 years ago, he was a free man. he reflected on his life and sensational trial. today he sits in prison.

but, when his troubles all started, many thought he was going to end it all right then and there, riding in a white ford bronco on an l.a. freeway. >> i have o.j. in the car. >> june 17th, 1994. everyone in america remembers how this shocking scene unfolded on the freeways of los angeles. o.j. simpson was lying face down in the backseat of his white ford bronk co-holding a gun to his head. his friend, also a former football player, was behind the wheel. l.a.p.d. detective tom lange spoke on the phone with simpson. >> get rid of the gun. toss it, please. so many people love you, man. don't give it all up. >> the football legend and movie star was threatening to commit suicide. >> i'm just going to leave. >> no. >> >> the slow speed bronco chase went on for 60 miles. he was supposed to be turning himself in to police for murders of ex-wife

nicole and;s, her friend ron goldman. >> police found the bodies on the morning of the 13th. it was after midnight. when they got there, the scene was horrific. there was nicole with her throat slashed. she was nearly beheaded. and ron goldman was lying in the little garden right next to her. and he had been stabbed to death. >> linda deutsche is a special correspondentp::> for the associated press and covered the oj simpson trial from the very beginning. >> on the day when he ran -- they stood by the freeways with signs that said go juice. they wanted him to try and -- this. >> after giving himself up, simpson was arrested for the murders. he assembled a so-called dream team of defense lawyers. the testimony began on january 24th, 1995. >> what you have here is a trail of blood from bundy drive to rockingham avenue and into the defendant's very bedroom.

>> i did not, would not have committed this crime. absolutely 100% not guilty. >> and lasted 16 months. >> we think the evidence will show that he did commit >> simpson was the most famous american to have been tried for murder. >> he was the juice. he was the ultimate sports hero. it was unbelievable to the public at large that he could be even suspected of such a vicious crime. >> the trial had accusations of corrupt cops, racial undertones and media attention that was overwhelming. >> the prosecutors will portray o.j. simpson as a violent and jealously obsessed ex-husband. >> no one that famous had ever been on trial in this country. >> please stand and face the jury. >> on october 3rd, 1995, the jury came in with a verdict. 150 million americans watched on tv or listened on radio. more than the super bowl. >> we, the jury, in the

the defendant orenthal james simpson not guilty of the crime of murder. >> o.j. >> murderer. >> 10 years after the trial i sat down with simpson one-on-one in miami to hear his thoughts on the case. >> o.j., how is life? >> pretty good. my golf game is in good shape. i'm happy. >> when they say o.j. simpson, they think trial of the century. a huge population is mad out there about the verdict. you know that. >> yeah, yeah. i know the media -- i know that for sure. i realize now, it took me a long time to realize i couldn't understand why people so into my trial. why i'm on tv. people say i watched every minute of the trial. i have more people tape the whole thing. do you know how much tape that must have taken. they say if you need it, i got all the tape.

>> do you hate the media? >> no, i don't. i think the media, at this point in america, what's going to hurt our -- our forefathers never foresaw cable tv. they never saw -- used to always do the quote from thomas jefferson one who doesn't listen to the media is better informed than one who does. the one who hasn't heard the lies and inaccuracies. thomas jefferson was hip to the media back then. >> some say cameras is is the reason why you weren't convicted. >> the one reason cameras don't make for me, even in one area the camera benefit me. >> i spoke with three people closely connected to the simpson case. tom lange was the lead l.a.p.d. detective in the murder investigation. attorney john kelly successfully sued simpson for wrongful death in the civil trial. the plaintiffs won a judgment of $33.5 million and dr. michael baden is a forensic pathologist hired by simpson's defense.

he examined the victims and simpson himself after the murders. >> tom, should he love the cameras and the media or not? >> i think he does love the cameras and the media i think this guy has got to be be out front even in prison we have it hear from this guy. because he can't quit thinking about himself being the sociopath that he is. being the self-indulgent individual where it's all about him. i think he actually loves the cameras. he loves the attention. >> were the cameras a reason for the verdict or not? do you assign the cameras the responsibility? >> well, again you mean the cameras in the courtroom. >> yes. i have always been against that for many reasons. if you are testifying in open court with live cameras. you are not concerned about with what you are being asked. you are more concerned with the cameras on you. i can recall after 8 and a half days on the stand people looking at me and i'm thinking well, how am i

going to answer. this i have got to look this way. it effects testimony. that's the bottom line. the cameras in the courtroom should never have been allowed. >> john, you won the civil case, no cameras in that civil case. there were cameras in the criminal case. screw won the criminal case with the cameras? >> i don't think the cameras dictated the verdict in the criminal case, but i think it detracted from the gravitas of the trial and it turned into a circus. with that atmosphere i think the jury had no problem returning the verdict they did under those circumstances. it just didn't have the feel of a double homicide trial as the case progressed. >> coming up: >> he is a very narcissist person. >> true definition of a sociopath. >> do you think of nicole at all anymore? life with crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis

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>> the nicole i knew was a great mom and a terrific woman. >> nicole brown simpson was a california beauty who would become simpson's second wife. she was one of three brown sisters born to an american father and german mother. in 1977, while working as a restaurant in los angeles, the 18-year-old nicole met o.j. simpson. >> the stories abound about him seeing her and saying i'm going to marry her. >> the football star swept her off her feet and into a luxurious hollywood lifestyle. >> they were a gorgeous couple. people said that when they entered a room, at a party, or at a restaurant, people would stop talking and catch their breath because they were so beautiful together. >> in 1985, simpson and nicole were married, soon after they became the parents of sydney and justin. >> and they seemed to be the golden couple. it was if nothing bad could

ever happen to them. but then the worst happened. >> i never metnick coal, descrab her to me. >> capable; very, very capable. probably as bright as any girl i ever dated. um, um, because she is european, you know, born in europe and i guess flair with her mother traditional woman than with american women with all their -- nicole, for a man, she was a great girl to have. you could fight and she would still cook you dinner, do you know what i mean? so whatever those traditional values that women bring to a relationship, she did not -- didn't let her emotions affect those. >> as the years past, simpson began to reveal a violent side. in 19 89 pictures surfaced

of a bleeding and bloody nicole. things got so bad with simpson nicole filed for divorce in 1992 and tried to start a new life. she moved into a rented home in brentwood, los angeles. but simpson wouldn't let,din go and began stalking on october 25th, 1993, nicole dialed 911, the call is chilling. >> what's the problem there? >> well, my ex-husband just broke into my house and is he ranting and raving. now he just walked out in the glard what does he look like? >> he is!u o.j. simpson. i think you know his record. could you just send somebody over here. >> give me -- >> do you think of nicole at all anymore. >> yeah. i thought about her the other day when was her birthday, obviously. yeah. from time to time. and there is times i'm angry at her, you know. >> why? >> because, when i feel that there is things that she

could be doing with the kids better than i, you know, when -- if appears an emotional stuff, especially with my daughter, i'm angry with her. i'm angry that sometimes that she found herself hanging around with people, who are these people. it pisses me off kato kaelyn, they are friends. i don't know these people. he and i weren't friends. we didn't hang out together. i don't know these people. i have count on my fingers the time i saw phil. a group of no mads that nicole started hanging out with after we were divorced. >> john, you represent the estate of nicole brown simpson, when you listen to, this what are your thoughts? >> he is very narcissist person. i didn't believe there is so much hot air in one body. if you ever watch him, is he always shrugging and laughing and turning away because even himself he is not talking the truth when he speaks. i spent literally weeks with

this man in a conference room when we were deposing him. sat right next to him at the trial for four months. just, you know, got more than my share of sort of what this man is about. and there is nothing good about it. >> is he is he a true definition of a sociopath. >> there you go. >> in every respect. >> the family seemed to really like o.j. simpson. obviously up until the time of the murder. but there were so many instances where he was abusing her. they look the other way? did they not know it? >> i think they knew it but, your adult daughter doesn't want you to meddle in her affairs with her husband or the ex-husband as the case. you just don't do it. every day you up the papers and you hear about the abuse. it was sort of telling a story that this could have been expected, that this guy was violent. this guy was dangerous. and nothing is done ahead of time. i don't think there was anything there that suggested ever that it could

lead to homicide like that. >> how savage was murder? there are all sorts of murders. you can do the one 200 yards with a gun and then you can have this kind. >> her throat had been cut. her throat was cut. she had two carotid arteries which were cut which bleed out fast. she would have lost consciousness within 10 or 20 seconds. >> one stroke? >> there were multiple strokes but one big one across the neck and then about six other stab wounds. so, it was a very vicious kind of situation. however, people should remember the neck is about four or five inches in thickness. the bone, the cervical spine is more than half of that distance. so, in this situation, even though the cut wound went down to the bone, that's about an inch or two but to t. cut through vital structure. the image of somebody's head almost coming off as played up in different newspapers is just a false image and

occurs whenever somebody's neck is cut. and that was serious. goldman was stabbed about 20 times and he put up a struggle. >> ron goldman was a waiter mazaluna. he had scenic coal when she had been there they had become sort of friends. >> on the night of the murders, nicole's mother had dropped her sunglasses at the restaurant. ron, a handsome model and aspiring actor offered to bring them to nicole's condo. >> that's how he ended up there, at the wrong place at the wrong time. >> nicole was seated on the front steps, front door is open. lights on, gates open. she is expecting ron goldman. >> as a good samaritan totally, not as a boil friend? >> as a samaritan, not as a boyfriend. he is bringing back the glasses found at the mezzaluna. >> totally a good samaritan. >> sure. and she is outside. she is waiting outside, okay? >> i can't remember who they said the prosecution's

theory was who died first. they were quite certain about it and -- >> -- they thought that nicole was attacked first and would have lost consciousness as soon as her neck was cut. and goldman was a few feet away. >> more of my interview with o.j. simpson just ahead. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. yeah. everybody knows that. did you know there is an oldest trick in the book?

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>> how many thumps can you hear? >> three. >> you can demonstrate for us loud it was? [thumping] >> the prosecutor the sounds he heard were oj simpson bumping into the air conditioner on kato's window. >> i thought there was someone back there. >> jurors were brought to the rockingham estate to seat location firsthand. the media followed. >> we didn't get to go inside with the jurors. we went outside the rockingham estate. there was a pool of reporters who were allowed to go. and for a time o.j. was taken to a street nearby. and waited in the car. but then he was brought back in. they had to basically convene a court session in the house. >> you talk about rockingham satellite trucks. everybody was watching you. everybody in the media was there. is that still your life? are we still dogging you? >> no. that has not been the case for a long time. the media only dogs me now

when there is no news. >> i asked o.j. when i talked to him 10 years ago when what he thought about our justice system and this is what he said. >> what do you think of our justice system? >> i think it works better in autonomy. i think once you put it out in the open, even though i sometime am intrigued by it. >> meaning, what putting it on camera. >> i think it changes everybody. i think it changes everybody. i think the media influences it it far too much. their witness far, to you know, i think the public who follow cases are swayed by the opinions of the various pundits who comment on it and then i think. >> isn't it the jurors who matter i found out in my case the only people not affected by the media were the jurors because they were totally sequestered. unfortunately the jurors aren't totally sequestered and i know they are affected

by public opinion, by neighborhood opinion. you cannot protect them from if it's a high profile case. you cannot protect them from being infected by somebody's opinion. somebody else's opinion. >> every time i have lost a trial and i always thought i wish i had done something differently or, and looking back, do you wish you had done something differently in terms of your participation in this trial? >> in the trial or in the investigation? >> or in the investigation. anything. do you have any regrets? >> i don't have any regrets. >> if there is a regret. it would be that i wasn't there to close down the crime scene investigation. make sure that everything was covered and everybody did everything that they should have done. but overall yank of anything i would change. >> can i defend christopher darner on one thing? putting the glove on o.j. simpson. i know everyone has taken him apart on that. i don't think he had any choice. first of all o.j. simpson

had put on weight in jail. he also, i think, was on osteroids from his art rice, he was going to blow up a little bit. plus he had a latex glove on and when you grow up in wisconsin, and your gloves get wet in the morning and put them on the raid jarrett. when you get home at the end of the day maybe they're three times smaller. maybe if you are from southern california you don't know that if he hadn't put the glove on oj he could have handled it better. he could have explained that. if he hadn't done that johnnie cochran would have done that himself and pointed at the prosecutors and said why do you think the -- in closing argument, would why do you think the prosecutors didn't do that oj simpson in the room with the gloves here and didn't want it you to do that darr den had no choice. >> it doesn't make sense, it doesn't fit. if it doesn't fit, you must acquit. >> let's get something straight, the glove did fit. phil van atta had. phil didn't have any problem getting on the glove.

if you want to put a glove on. you put it on. if you are allowed to perform in front of a jury in open court on live television, then you see what we saw with oj. >> coming up: >> o.j. was being hidden at the kardashian house. >> not kim kardashian but her father who was an old friend of o.j. and one of his lawyers. >> during that time o.j. goes out to say goodbye to some people and disappears. than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm. amazing. yeah, i get that a lot. alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief.

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on the ground. continuing coverage tonight the flight from the fox news deck. ron goldman, the los angeles police department was almost as much in the hot seat as the former. less than two years after the l.a.p.d. cops were acquitted in the rodney king weeght trial. that judgment still haunted l.a. >> and as the trial of simpson got underway. the names of mark fuhrman, bill vannatter and tom lange became as familiar as oj simpson. >> they determined it was him from the beginning and they never looked at anyone else. that's a big problem. >> the accusation was a corrupt and racist l.a.p.d. cops planted d.n.a. evidence to frame simpson. >> you know, one of the allegations and tom can also speak to this is the whole

issue there was an allegation of racism a part of the l.a.p.d. i mean, this was a case where people, you know, quickly drifted off the facts and quickly got into a lot of other topics and sometimes, you know, these issues, you know, they are relevant. bias is always relevant in a trial. but this was used by the defense. >> yeah. it was. it's interesting because the defense did have a jury consultant, a juror consultant, very nice gal. and the defense jury consultant said that the defense should get black women on the jury. they would be be partial to o.j. marcia clark knew this but she felt that over the years she had done very well with black females on juries. that he they were responsive to her. so they both went looking for female black jurors, got a number of female black jurors. >> marcia clark knew this was right after rodney king. l.a.p.d. was hated.

this was a minority jury. you are going to put l.a. cops out there and they have done, this they have done that no, shemented to stick strictly to the core blood evidence. she knew, again, this was l.a.p.d. on trial. this was going to be the fuhrman trial. these are the racist l.a. cops. this is right after rodney king. all of this was going to be put on and she knew that so she wanted to stick to the core blood evidence because if you put this evidence on, you are going to have to put on these l.a. cops. these evidence planting, racist lying l.a. cops, going to have to testify to all this stuff. >> oddly, during the 2004 interview, simpson told me thought detective lang would ultimately help him. >> you know, i thought los lange had integrity. i thought he would be my salvation even since the trial. you know, once you write a book together and you make an income from it, i think he compromised himself. i don't really have -- i have much worse, if i had feelings with vannatter than

i do with lange. as a matter of fact, when the verdict was read, my biggest issue and i told all the lawyers there wouldn't be any celebrating i wanted to go after lange -- go after vannatter. it took everything i could not to go after this guy because i felt he was responsible for allowing somebody like mark fuhrman to be as out of control as he evidently was during the investigation of this case. >> tom, detective vannatter isn't here. he has died. he can't defend himself to o.j. simpson. i assume you have a response to o.j. on that? >> again, a typical sociopath at work. total denial. it's not me. it's everybody else. b.s., on and on and on. it's what you find a typical sociopath. >> he does accuse everybody but himself, doesn't he, john? everybody but himself. >> the other thing about the

d.n.a., this would have been a strong homicide case if d.n.a. didn't exist at that time. show size, bloody tracks, blood on his left hand, the trail of blood going back, the fact that he would have had a key to the back gate. blood on the seat council ghats matts. blood on the driveway of his house. the other glove found there you wouldn't even have to know whose blood it was necessarily. all the items of physical items of this case were so interconnected without the d.n.a. portion of it could have been tried that way. this was the big exposure of d.n.a. to the public and to it a jury. and i think that the testimony of the prosecution experts on d.n.a. and its uniqueness and how it it matches up to only a specific individual was presented for about four or five days in a wonderfully technical way for forensic

scientists and doctors and all to learn about it. but it was way over the head of the jurors. >> and mine. i have been practicing law. it was new to all of us. and still is technical and sophisticated. >> the way it was presented to those jurors. they didn't understand the significance of what we're talking about now. >> part of the problem is that the police, you know, were cross-examined quite heavily. for instance detective van that the ter putting it in his pocket and going off with it for a dancht that didn't happen. put it in a chocolate covered envelope that's even even on the videotape. >> that he didn't take. >> he didn't put it in his pocket. >> that was the allegation. i'm not challenging -- i'm not challenging you. i'm saying that's what people said. >> there is no unanswered questions. there are no mysteries or anything else. i agree with dr. baden said about they overdid the blood evidence, okay? that goes back to my

original point. there is a whole bunch of other stuff they could have used too but they stuck with the blood and they overdid the blood. as far as vannatter, once he got the tube of blood he took it to rockingham to book it as. >> these things about him sprinkle cling blood all over the place. all these photographs of the blood trail were taken at the crime scene that day. photographs existed two hours later that showed all the blood and where it was and there is no way to plant that blood. >> dr. bae den when you saw him night chase was he bruised in any way? did he have any injuries? what was his demeanor? >> he was very depressed. he had been the murder -- the murder had occurred a few days earlier. but he hadn't been arrested yet. there was no warrant for him yet. he was hiding in kardashian, nobody, except his lawyers knew where he was. henry, lee and i were called by bob shapiro, the initial

lawyer in the case. and we were brought up to where o.j. was before he was arrested at being hidden at the kardashian house. in retrospect. >> it's not kim kardashian but her father an old friend of o.j. >> the father, yeah. the father's house. when we came in there was some people downstairs, including some young girls, children at that time. but we went up to the second floor o.j. because shapiro wanted evidence. we took hair samples, whatever for forensic use before we was going to get arrested because it hadn't -- it hadn't been asked to be arrested yet because he was hiding out and the police didn't know where he was. but while we were doing that, bob shapiro gets a call on the cell phone from the prosecutor and says all right, we now have an arrest warrant for o.j., tell us where you are.

and shapiro immediately told him where we are in the kardashian home. and during that time goes out and disappears. >> coming up, they didn't have the picture of o.j. simpson wearing those shoes. >> we'll actually had a witness. she is looking at the shoes. and she says well, i have seen o.j. with those shoes on. to look backwards

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the verdict polarized nation. many thought he was obviously guilty. while others wereover overjoyed that he was acquitted one year after simpson walked, a wrongful death civil trial began on behalf of the estate of ron goldman and nicole brown simpson. >> it was not a murder trial and the judge did not allow cameras. in the courtroom. but, it still had enormous coverage. >> the civil trial differed from the criminal trial in significant ways. first, it was not televised. second, the burden of proof in a civil trial is much lower. third, the plaintiff introduced new evidence. most damaging, simpson

declared he never earned a pair of bruno mali shoes luxury brand that left a bloody footprint at the crime scene. during the middle of the trial photo surfaced simpson wearing those shoes. the photo caught simpson in a lie, a big lie. on february 4th, 197, the jury found simpson liable for the two murders of nicole brown simpson and ron goldman. many have said this was the trial done right. in a civil case, john, i remember that you, the civil team, you presented the blood evidence in very short order compared to marcia clark and christopher darr den did it on days on end. >> friday afternoon i put detective vannatter on the stand for 12 minutes. everybody sat back and thought it would be two or three days of direct and cross-examination. >> how about the fact that they didn't have the picture of o.j. simpson wearing those bruno mali shoes which he so infamously described

in ugly ass shoes in the civil case. had you a picture of him wearing those shoes in the civil case. >> that's right. the media coverage actually helped him. the initial picture of simpson in those shoes was called a fraud. the one in the national enquirer. actually new year's eve in the middle of the trial that i got a call and went up to buffalo and the film was actually developed of him in those shoes. it was incredible thing. but something that never would have happened if the media wasn't, you know, looking for these things and talking about it constantly. >> of course, we are looking at those shoes right now. those are what o.j. simpson described in that deposition those bruno mali shoes ugly ass shoes. i thought they went out and determined from a footprint what type of shoe that was. that to me what are the odds the fbi is going to figure out from half a blood footprint that it's bruno mali and traveled all the way to italy and he says he doesn't have the shoes and

he did the have shoes. >> the fbi has a tremendous catalog of all shoe cells for comparison as much as fingerprints and all. we actually had a witness before any of this that could put the shoes on o.j. simpson. >> for the criminal trial? >> yes. >> where was that witness? >> that particular witness was nicole's younger sister dominic. i did a 6 pack of shoes before anybody knew anything about bruno malis, we didn't release anything. put together a six pack of shoes much like one a six pack of suspects. >> like a photo array. >> just like a photo. six different shoes. one of them was a bruno malis: i showed this to monique and admonished her because i'm showing you a set of shoes. don't think anything about it don't put too much thought into why i'm doing this but i'm going to ask you some very direct questions for you to look at these six photographs of

shoes. dominic has an eye for fashion. she is very bright, young woman. okay? she is looking at the shoes. and she says well, actually, yeah, i have seen this type of shoe before. and she points to the bruno space moli. i said why are you pointing to that? >> i have seen o.j. with those shoes on? >> which what shoes the bruno mali shoes. >> did you tell marcia clark and. >> we told them everything. we worked for them. we were their investigators. >> what did they say? >> fine. >> did your client ever collect any money from o.j. simpson after you won that civil verdict. >> the estate did. >> your client was the estate? >> yeah. an auction with all his personal property that took place on california and was the portion. >> you had had a big judgment. how much did they get out of their judgment? what percentage of the judgment did they get? >> what percentage of the

judgment? i can't do that math. >> give me an idea. >> it was under seven figures the total collected from the auction. >> the judgment was how much? >> '33 and a half billion dollars. >> there is more o.j. simpson coming up. my feet felt so heavy at the end of the day. they used to get really tired. until i started gellin'. i got dr. scholl's massaging gel insoles. when they're in my shoes, my feet and legs feel less tired. it's like walking on a wave, dr. scholl's massaging gel insoles, i'm a believer!

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at gunpoint in a las vegas hotel room. trying to retrieve some of his own stolen memorabilia. >> charged with armed robbery and kidnapping. so he went on trial it was a very strange trial. prosecutors seemed determined to get him. and there were overtones of the trial in l.a. two police detectives said oh they didn't get him in l.a. so we're going to get him here. which obviously is not the way the justice system is supposed to work but in a way that's how it worked. he was convicted of pay back. >> pay back or not, the murder trial was one of the most extraordinary in trials in history. >> 20 years later what's the latest? >> i think one of the forensic legacy is that it established d.n.a. is important. and i think normally you

take years and decades before technology come in. but in 1994, as a result of all the publicity d.n.a. got it admitted it into mainstream trials and it became routine. >> john? >> i think there were a couple legacy. dr. bae den's d.n.a. -- he put a lot of people back on the streets who were wrongly convicted and it's helped convict a lot of people that should be convicted using that the media aspect of it, i think it gave rise to a whole cottage industry. the whole cable world was developed around simpson. that caught on and people loved watching these sort of true reality shows and crime and punishment took off for a long time after this exploded on the scene. >> accidental anchor. i mean, i was practicing law and teaching and.

>> how many people if you looked back, greta, think about that 18 years in the civil case, all the people that were there covering the case where are they now? so many people industry of anchors and shows and second careers that came after this case because of it. >> tom, the legacy? >> there is a couple of things that concern me. i hope we would look at this case the way it was tried and learn something that it was overdone in some areas. underdone in others. the thing that i hope would really sink in is that no one is ever in control. the judge was not in control. like johnnie cochran was in control. part of that i think was cameras in the courtroom. all the lawyers played to those cameras. the police were gagged. we weren't able to say anything. our chief had gagged us. but the court has to send a message they are in control. and you don't do that by having everybody play to cameras in the courtroom.

and you don't do it with a lack of a gag order. >> gentlemen, thank you, 2 oyears later, who would have guessed, right? 20 years ago went pretty fast. the controversy surrounding o.j. simpson trial are still being debated today. people argue about the evidence, the trial, and the jury's decision. but what is not in dispute is that two people, nicole brown simpson and ron goldman were viciously murdered 2 oyears ago. and as strange as it seems, to date no one has spent a year in prison for the murders. i'm greta van susteren. thanks for watching. [ male announcer ] we're the names you know in the places you want to be.

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