okay. we received a flood of responses on iraq. but we're running out of time. we can only get to one. melissa writes, they need us, they can't do it alone. see you next time. welcome to "america's news headquarters." i'm leland vittert in for kelly wright. >> great to have you. great to be here. >> you picked a beautiful day to come to new york city. >> and to be outside. >> you'll get outside later. i'm julie bandares. topping the news. the white house weighing its option on the growing crisis in iraq. how should the united states respond? and how did it get to this point? we're going to ask fox news military analyst, chuck nash. plus -- >> for the first time, we're hearing a 911 call shedding new light on a shooting in an arizona church that killed one priest and badly injured

another. and new information on the irs targeting of conservative groups. the government agency blaming missing evidence on a computer crash. we'll discuss. but first, fox news alert on the growing crisis in iraq. radical muslim insurgents who have already taken over two major iraqi cities are now just miles from reaching the capital of baghdad. this as we learn the obama administration is still weighing its options about how to respond. doug mckelway joins us live in washington. hi, doug. >> reporter: hi, julie. sunny sunny militants have seized a small town 60 miles north of baghdad after iraqi security forces pulled out. still, in baghdad, young shiite men have been flocking to volunteer centers prompted by the country's top shiite cleric

to stop the advance of the isil or the islamic state of iraq. iraq's second largest city, mosul and saddam hussein's hometown fell earlier this week. meanwhile, the pentagon is awaiting the decision from president obama on what military options to use to stop the al qaeda advance. the president has said that american troops will not be placed on the ground. >> i can tell you, they cover a wide range of military capabilities and will be designed, the president said, to help break the momentum of isil's progress and bolster iraqi security forces. but clearly, any decision to employ these options rests solely with the commander in chief. >> my team is working around the clock to identify how we can provide the most effective assistance to them. i don't rule out anything. because we to have a stake in making sure that these jihadists are not getting a permanent

foothold in either iraq or syria. >> reporter: the president is coming under increasing criticism this is a direct result of his failure to reach a status of force agreement with the al maliki government. that led to the withdrawal of u.s. forces and abandonment of hard-won gains in iraq. >> we have given these guys a chance to allow the virus to regrow and now we're not in a position to offer anything vaguely close to real help. >> reporter: yesterday, house speaker john boehner suggested this was all predictable. both congress and the pentagon have been warning the white house about the worsening situation in iraq, but for months, it has done almost nothing, he said. and lastly, one final point, secretary of defense, chuck hagel ordered the u.s. aircraft carrier, george h.w. bush to move from the north arabian sea into the gulf, closer to iraq. julie, back to you. >> doug mckelway in washington, thank you so much. >> reporter: sure thing.

a fox news alert in ukraine. pro russian separatists shot down a military plane, marking a deadly escalation. the plane was approaching an airport near the russian border when separatists shot it down, killing nearly 50 people. ukraine's newly elected president is promising, quote, an adequate response. it is the single deadliest incident in that four-month-old conflict. >> 911, where is your emergency? >> we have been broken and assaulted. >> okay. did somebody just break in your house and hit you? >> yes. >> and you don't know who they were? >> no. >> chilling. you were just listening to part of a 911 call made by the priest who survived that deadly shooting at a catholic church in phoenix. parishioners are now praying his recovery while mourning the loss

of reverend kenneth walker, the 28-year-old priest killed in that brutal attack. we're live from los angeles with the investigation and the new details from this tape. dominic? >> reporter: hey, leland. yes, indeed. you can hear the breathless voice of the 56-year-old. he was struggling not only to breathe but also make himself coherent because he himself had been so critically beaten by the intruder. initially, it's not clear just how injured both of these priests actually were. we can show a picture of joseph terra there and his colleague, kenneth walker, who was just 28 years old. he was actually shot at the scene. but the call progresses with the 911 dispatcher, and it's obvious that he doesn't know that his colleague has been shot. but they are both in trouble. take a listen. >> my assistant priest here is -- has been beaten.

>> and right now he's beaten? >> yes. >> and one person is unconscious? >> yes. yes. >> is he breathing? >> no. >> i'm sorry? >> no, he's not. >> quite terrible stuff. and we understand that father terra is suffering some form of brain injury due to the severity of that beating. it was father walker taken to the hospital and he died there. the police have very limited information on this. they were able to get details of a white man in his 40s as the prime suspect in this. they don't know if he acted alone. father walker's vehicle was found stolen from the scene, and abandoned a few blocks down. there is limited forensic evidence that's been picked up from that vehicle. but ultimately the police say they have to rely on witnesses and they are imploring the public to come forward, anybody who has seen anything as they struggle to find out who is precisely behind this terrible attack, leland.

back to you. >> dominic di-natale, live in los angeles, thanks. and this is a fox extreme weather alert. the middle of the country is now bracing for an outbreak of dangerous storms. they are expected to develop tonight across the plains and midwest. forecasters calling for large hail, damaging winds and possible tornadoes stretching from west texas all the way to iowa and minnesota. the severe weather expected to continue into tomorrow, taking aim at oklahoma, illinois and wisconsin. new developments in the irs scandal. the agency saying it cannot find many of lois lerner's e-mails, apparently because her computer crashed back in 2011. the revelation sparking outrage among lawmakers. elizabeth prann is live in washington with the latest. hi, elizabeth. >> reporter: hi. you're right, congressional lawmakers say this latest news is unacceptable. chairman of the house oversight committee darrell issa is

accusing the internal revenue service of, quote, playing games. but the irs says it has already and is in the process of producing more than 67,000 e-mails from the account of lois lerner who, as you know, headed the irs division that processed applications for tax exempt status. the agency says there are a number of untold e-mails sent and received by lerner, which may be lost due to a computer crash. in a letter to congress on friday, irs officials say some of lerner's e-mails between january of '09 and april of 2011 had been wiped out years ago writing in part, in the course of collecting and producing ms. lerner's e-mails, the irs determined her hard drive crashed in 2011. at the time, ms. lerner asked irs i.t. professionals to restore her hard drive, but they were unable to do so. orrin hatch has trouble the agency didn't notify congress when they first became aware of the problem. and there are others sounding off saying lawmakers should not take the agency at its word. >> first of all, this is

nonsense. i mean, this is the most obtuse administration when it comes to being honest and forthright. i just don't buy this whole story that the computers crashed. >> reporter: the irs said in a statement that it has gone to great lengths to cooperate with congress, spending nearly $10 million to produce more than 750,000 documents in all, and despite the latest setback, it is still, quote, committed to working with congress. julie, back to yo elizabeth, th. leland. and coming up, julie, new reaction on those missing lois lerner e-mails from our political panel. plus, transit workers in a major u.s. city walking off the job. as you might imagine, stranding tens of thousands of commuters. now one state lawmaker says he may take the problem all the way to the white house. and have you heard about this, julie? a mysterious donor hiding envelopes stuffed with cold, hard cash, all across the united states. let me tell you what that's about, coming up. okay, listen up! i'm re-workin' the menu.

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thanks for staying with us this saturday. time for a quick check of the headlines. family and friends are saying their final goodness today at the funeral of a las vegas police officer shot and killed during his lunch break last weekend. allen beck and his partner, igor saldo, were gunned down by a couple who also killed another person. the woman ended up turning the gun on herself. her husband was killed by police. a railway strike in philadelphia has stranded tens of thousands of commuters on a saturday. the workers went on strike this morning, julie, after failing to reach a contract deal with the city. pennsylvania's governor says he is considering asking president obama to intervene. and legendariey hall of fam coach who won a record four super bowl titles with the pittsburgh steelers has died. chuck noll was 82.

all right. now back to those new developments in the irs targeting scandal. the agency claims it's lost a huge chunk of e-mails from lois lerner, on whether the irs unfairly targeted tea party groups. they say they lost them because of a computer crash. brad blakeman and jessicaier erlich, thank you for talking to us. brad, how is it that the irs has managed after investigating lerner's office for over a year now, and already agreed to turn over lerner's e-mails to congress, just now discover that a batch of the e-mails are lost? >> julie, this doesn't pass the smell test. here you have lois lerner, who is a key witness, if not somebody who was an active participant in targeting conservative groups as a member of the irs management team. she takes the fifth.

and then conveniently and coincidentally, the very hard drives which contain her e-mails has broken down. and i say to the congress, subpoena the hard drive of the irs. get your own forensic experts in there. don't trust the irs to tell you that those e-mails cannot be retrieved. find out for yourself. but this is -- this is not a coincidence. this is an orchestrated attempt to block and thwart the truth from coming out. the truth will always come out. it's a question of time. >> jessica, let's talk about the time frame here, okay. they have been investigating for a year. it's been over a month since the irs promised congress they would get to read all those e-mails. and the irs says no, we can't find it, actually, because back in the summer of 2011, her computer crashed. i mean, do you believe we can trust the irs? >> well, i don't think anyone trusts the irs. i mean, there are a few agencies and groups hated more than the irs than maybe attorneys. as an attorney, i know we're not popular in general. but in this case, i definitely think, you know, having worked

in the government, worked in the interagency groups, i actually do tend to believe that their technological capabilities are not strong, and computers crash all of the time. >> why would they make the promise, though, a month ago to say to congress, we're going to hand over all of those e-mails? why would they make that promise if they didn't have all of the e-mails? >> i mean, there could be a number of factors, including a little bit of incompetencies there. they have turned over 24,000 e-mails and are now going about trying to find the e-mails of all of the people she was communicating with on their back end to collect those e-mails. they have spent ridiculous amounts of man-hours. they've got 250 people working on this, $10 million, just trying to get these e-mails and things put together. there's something like 84,000 e-mails. i mean, they really are flooding investigatorily the

congressional committees with information. and they're trying to sort of come up with the smoking gun. they just haven't yet that would connect other agencies or the administration to what happened at the irs. and i think that's the main issue, is, you know -- is there really going to be able to find anything or is this just continuing to spend taxpayer money. >> and i understand the frustration over the 250 irs employees that have spent more than 120,000 hours, costing some $10 million of taxpayers' cash. but let's talk about it. you know, when we were holding an election, lois lerner potentially, you know, could have caused some major harm, which would have perhaps influenced our country in great respect. i mean, brad, as far as accountability is concerned, there is going to be no accountability. and the american public wants answers. i mean, where is lerner's computer, for example? i would like an answer to that one. and who is going to be investigating outside of the irs, because it doesn't seem like we can trust them. so then somebody needs to take over, or do we just let it go, because it's costing too much

money? >> no, we don't let it go. and just like kathryn harris wouldn't let benghazi go. there is a modus operandi in this administration. flood the material. you heard from my democratic friend. they're flooding material that's irrelevant. and look what it took on benghazi to find that one e-mail that showed that the white house was complicit, if not active in changing the talking points on benghazi. we have the same situation here. flood them with material, and hope they never get to those e-mails that are germane to the investigation. and to protect us, we'll say the computers crashed and therefore cannot retrieve those e-mails. i say nonsense. let the house subpoena the records and the hardware of the irs, get your own forensic people in there. and know whether it's a fact or not whether those can be retrieved. >> i mean, at this point, we have seen some of the e-mails. so we're not going to get all of the e-mails. do you believe, jessica, we have seen enough e-mails that are damning enough to essentially say yes, lois lerner was aware of the fact these conservative, these tea party groups, were targeted by the tax agency and

therefore we have enough proof, sexual essentially. do we have enough damning evidence that proves that lois lerner's office was up to no good. >> that would be up to the prosecutors in the case and the defense as well as to how much is enough and you know, how many dollars are going to be spent on this. i know her case is going to be taken over by the ticket of columbia. i know that information on it has been sent to the attorney general's office. so we'll see how it sort of proceeds in them pursuing her personally for her role. she could serve, you know, if convicted, up to 11 years in this situation. so i mean, there is a huge penalty that can happen here against her. and if they don't have, you -- right now i know senator wyden said they're working on a bipartisan committee, because people do take this seriously. >> right. >> as well as the tea party groups. i'm sure there are other people, you know, that get targeted by the irs. they're not clean hands here. and they're talking about what

an audit system could be going forward. but there is concern i have, and i'm sure other people do, there is a lot of wheel spinning and money being spent here, just, you know, atrociously on something that's not getting to the heart of the matter. and is not actively really just taking up more time. >> where are the republicans clashing over the issue, brad? >> we're not clashing at all. we want to get to the truth. we want the records produced that we have asked for years ago. and we are not going to take the word of the irs. julie, what if the irs said to you, we want all your records and you said, you know what, my computer crashed. >> i'm sure if i got audited and i told them, i'm sorry, i didn't keep my receipts for the last year and i have no proof of when i bought this and that, they would demand answers. we should demand the same. >> absolutely. >> that's all the time we have, but we appreciate this fair and balanced demand. thank you. always great to see you. >> thank you so much. >> leland.

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welcome back. it is the bottom of the hour. time for the top of the news. a ukrainian military jet has been shot down by pro russian separatists near the border of russia. 50 people were killed. it is the deadliest incident in the four-month-old conflict. donald sterling is hiring

investigators to look into the background of nba owners and the commissioner of the league. sterling was fined, of course, after making racist comments. and lord stanley. yes, that is what it's called, being hoisted in los angeles. the los angeles kings won the team's second stanley cup in just three years last night. they beat the new york rangers in double overtime. witell the white house sayi it's weighing its military options in iraq. as muslims consolidate power on the ground by taking over two major cities and setting their sights on baghdad. yesterday, president obama said despite the crisis there, there would be no u.s. boots back on the ground in iraq. listen. >> we can't do it for them. and in the absence of this type of political effort, short term military action, including any assistance we might provide,

won't succeed. >> retired u.s. navy captain chuck nash is a fox news military analyst. we want to talk about what the military options are here, captain. we start with this. there are a lot of things people have been talking about. are there any actual good options? >> well, no. there are just options. the good options really require a ground force, and it appears that we're certainly not willing to put that ground force back in. and i agree with that wholeheartedly. but it also looks like the iraqises are not willing to take the fight to the enemy. and so if we start talking about doing air strikes or using drones or whatever, using air power, you need a ground force to coalesce the enemy ground force into a mass target that is effective to use air power against. so it doesn't really help you to use air power if your adversary

is dispersed among the refugees. it's very ineffective. >> speaking of air power, we know that the u.s. is now repositioned one of its carriers that is normally there to make it closer to provide options in terms of possible air power there in the region. but as we talk about it, if you have a problem with being able to use air power, is this an evacuation contingency? what do you think they're doing here? >> well, i think they're looking a whole host of things. and that is, if things get to the point where you have the collapse of the government in baghdad, then we are going to have a -- what they call a neo, which is a noncombat evacuation of u.s. nationals. it's a very large embassy complex in baghdad. i think everyone is hoping right now that it never comes to that, because that would be a massive effort, and even moving toward

that and setting up those things on the ground would give the appearance that there's loss of faith in the government in baghdad. so i think at this point we're trying to remain somewhat circumspect while do some behind the scenes scrambling to figure out what we are going to do if things do turn south. >> it's sufficient a tough line to walk. one of the things being discussed is trying to help the iraqi government itself with intelligence, with planning, with those kinds of things. but when you have so many members of the iraqi military desserting and refusing to fight, leaving their positions, does it really matter how much planning and intelligence help you give? >> well, at this point, leland, what's happening is, this force, this isis force, is coming down through sunni areas and picking up some of the folks from the local areas+r6v

see is the low watermark, if you will, is probably going to be north of baghdad, south of tikrit, and that will be the contested area. i do not think that the isis will ever establish a foot hold in shia, iraq. >> in terms of the way things are looking going forward, president obama says he needs several days to study things. is the fact that these insurgents are now being met by the shiite militia members and volunteers from baghdad, is that going to give the united states those couple of days to scramble that you were talking about? or is whatever option the united

states comes up with going to be too little, too late? >> no, i think that it will. it will allow us a more measured response to this, because, again, the isis, they're the bad guys. they have brought in a bunch of really disaffected, angry, sunni people from the villages and the towns who have joined in. the enemy of my enemy is my friend. so they're in league on this, which has so abused the sunni population since the departure of the united states. so if we get involved and start using, for example, air strikes against these sunni formations, we're going to be killing a lot of these sunni villagers, not just the isis bad guys. so those isis guys, they are barbaric, brutal, and i think that what will happen to them after this is resolved politically, what will happen to them is the same thing that happened to al qaeda and iraq, when the sunni villagers were

initially supportive of them and zarqawi and then turned on them with the prescribal awakening, because they don't want to live under that barbaric regime. >> we only have 30 seconds here. but i want to get to this. you have really two choices here, the arabic saying goes, neither of which are really that great. you have the sunni al kite linked militants and extremists on one side and the shiite muslims backed by iran. how does the pentagon plan to help the iraqi government without really helping the iranians so closely aligned with the iraqi government? >> therein lies the dilemma. because of since maliki took over, he has shifted way, way, way over towards the iranians. and there is no way to not help maliki and not further iranian goals in the region. >> the middle east is a tough place, for sure. captain chuck nash, thanks so much. we'll come back through the week for more analysis. thank you, sir.

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the man behind a twitter cash craze scavenger hunt is in the big apple, new york city, today. he has been hiding cash all across the country and says he has tried to do it in new york six years ago, but it ended after a riot broke out. only in new york, perhaps. today that hidden cash is tweeting out clues, telling new yorkers where they can find it. laura ingle is live in central park. laura, i'm guessing that's one of the places you can find cash. have you found any? >> reporter: that's right. well, i haven't found any. but we certainly see it happen this morning. and if you think that searching for easter eggs makes people a

little competitive, you should see what's been going on here in central park, as scores of money-hungry people are trying to find these hidden envelopes of cash. now, people have been digging through the bushes. we've seen it. it's actually been happening right behind me. digging through the bushes, looking under rocks, climbing trees, doing anything they can to find these hidden envelopes. they contain a $50 bill and a silver dollar inside. clues came over the twitter handle to direct people to the pond in central park near 59th and 5th avenue. we have seen a couple lucky searchers. one says the experience brought him a lot of joy. >> thanks a lot. you spread joy all around today. everybody is still looking. the thrill is really, really amazing. i think it's really good. >> it's only 50 bucks, which, you know, means a lot to a lot of people. so i might hand it to a homeless guy if i see it.

>> reporter: and that is one of the ideas behind this whole hidden cash craze. to pay it forward. the once anonymous man, jason boozy, is a san francisco real estate investor and entrepreneur. he has done quite well. and he started the game in california. he said all along, he just wants to give back in a very unique way. >> i give to charity, and i've always said, this is not instead of charity, but wanted to give back in a way that was fun for people. >> reporter: other cities going on across the united states, we're going to see this. it happened in las vegas yesterday. also in houston and even mexico city. so it is going on, and if you're interested, just get on twitter and follow that handle. and we'll let you know what happens here in central park as we move throughout the day. back to you. >> what a great time out there. thanks, laura. fabulous story. and as you said, pay it forward. laura ingle in central park. julie? >> 50 bucks is a lot. that was a ton when i was a college student. i was always broke name

president obama, though, making sweeping changes to the student loan program, potentially helping to make millions of borrowers' payments more affordable. but taking on debt often leads to thousands of graduates putting off saving. today the total student loan debt here in the u.s., get this, now exceeds $1 trillion. all of which raises the question, are too many people taking on student loans who can't afford them? joining me is oliver porsche, thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. >> we don't want our college students to do what we did in 2008, and that is get a loan too easily. many of us got mortgages too easily and it turned into an economic crisis. unlike mortgages, we're in the work force to get approved. college students don't have jobs to get approved. >> not yet. and it's a problem. and the whole system is problematic. one of the problems i view, julie, quite frankly, the fact that there is -- the average endowment, and i just googled while waiting here. the average endowment for

colleges and university has over $700 million. they're basically professionally run pension funds for administrators and colleges. doesn't make sense. you're absolutely right. we need to to something to make sure that people take on loans responsibly. but that also has to be addressed with regards to the huge cost of college. if you've got three kids today and i don't have children. but if you have three kids you're supposed to put through college, you're talking about several hundred thousand dollars for a private university. and if you're not getting scholarships because you're a good athlete or particularly smart, you've got an issue. >> the college costs are insane. back when i was in college, it was about $25,000 a year. which was very on the higher end. 25 to $30,000 a year. kids are paying that for preschool. i'm not even kidding. >> i've got friends in connecticut who are. >> ri how is it then that a cole student is able to get ahead when they're already in debt before they enter the work force, especially with the unemployment the way it still stands? >> that's the issue.

let's start at the beginning. number one, the colleges have the incentive, because they make a profit by having the student attend. and the loan criteria isn't particularly tough, because it's partially government guaranteed. so these -- you know, the colleges and universities can keep raising tuitions, give out loans and then somehow or another -- >> there's no cap. >> there's no cap and an issue. so i think that needs to be addressed there. >> i believe so. >> i think you need to address the cost of college education and as you pointed out, the high unemployment rate. and that goes to the type of degrees you're able to get. i'm sorry, but getting a french literature degree and taking on a $150,000 of college debt, there needs to be a tie-together of what your potential economic benefit is. >> there is also a tie-in with a college degree your earning potential is higher. you have no choice but to go to college. >> and you should go to college, so you have no choice to be in debt. the president wants to extend the pay as you earn student loan relief program. how will that help students afford their loans? >> well, i think that the idea behind it, which is similar to

what harvard university did a few years ago. i remember reading it. they don't allow the college cost to be more than 20% of the parents' gross income. i may be mñ repay your student debt. i think given that the alternative is that we, the taxpayers, end up paying it -- >> right. >> that's probably appropriate in some form or another. >> okay. oliver porsche, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> leland. >> all right, julie. as we continue to celebrate

father's day weekend, before you panic, father's at a is actually tomorrow. don't worry. a surprising medical student showing that all that roughhousing mom used to complain about might have actually been a good thing. we'll tell you why. we asked people a question, how much money do you think you'll need when you retire? then we gave each person a ribbon to show how many years that amount might last. i was trying to, like, pull it a little further. [ woman ] got me to 70 years old. i'm going have to rethink this thing. it's hard to imagin how much we'll need for a retirement that could last 3years or mor so maybe we need to approach things dferently, if we want to be ready for a longer retirement. ♪

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a new medical study just in time for father's day, showing the benefits of roughhousing with dad. joining us now, doctor nina radcliffe, an anesthesiologist and physician in private practice to talk about this. it seems as though mom was against it, it actually is good for everybody involved. >> there is a concept called the father factor. when children have father's

involved, they have better connections with other people, and they're more exploring outside surroundings. the problem is, we don't know how. we have lots of studies that show how mothers are important, and we don't know how fathers play these roles. >> julie here doesn't like roughhousing. >> well, you hit the nail on the head. mothers are important to tell the fathers what to do. >> right. >> but when i see my daughters roughhouse with dad, they do get really happy. i never actually thought of that. i'm thinking of the dangers, the concussions, you know, injuries. but it is -- >> does it make kids more violent? are they going to take that out to the playground? >> that's exactly the opposite. i'm just like you. when i see my daughter roughhousing, i'm thinking she is liking it, and will destruct the world. that's not the case. this is probably what nature intended. helps us develop a connection with your father. it helps us to understand confidence and give and take. and so, for example, if your kids start to hit too hard, you

let them know. it helps control impulses. >> that's good. my kids never get really rough with me, only with dad. they love it. i can see that. girls having a bonding issue. definitely -- >> well, it also seems it kind of teaches you in some way, having a sense of your time with dad, being able to sort of spend this quality time in a way that you can't spend with mom. because you don't roughhouse with mom, roughhouse with dad. >> it's a bonding experience with dad is smiling, having fun, having a great time, spending time with his child. this is different, because moms are more nurturing. we like to hug, we like to hold our children. and this is an opportunity for dad to really get involved with that one-on-one interaction. of. >> probably good for dad's health, as well. and as we learn also, dad is less likely to go to the doctor than mom is. men are simply less likely to make their own doctor's appointments and those kinds of things. is that a continuing problem you see that men just keep putting off until there is a problem, rather than the checkups that could prevent illnesses? >> absolutely. and i like to compare men who are married to dolphins in

captivity. what this means -- hear me out. >> okay. >> they live longer, look healthier. this is because they don't have natural predators, get food offered and they also have medical care. so this is one of the key things. senior physicians routinely being involved with social interactions with the family members. that's very important to a man's overall health. >> well, it's often the woman who ends up making the doctor appointments and prodding them to go to the doctor. there is a lot of diseases, though, men face, that a regular checkup can make a big difference. >> absolutely. in sickness and health, for better or worse. most wives want their husband to be alive and healthy. that's why we like to remind them. some call it nagging. whatever it is, it helps men live longer. we understand the role that fathers play in there. where economically, socially involved. >> i love that. >> next time i nag my husband, i'm going to say i'm doing it for your health. >> doing it for his health and also most importantly, when he's sick, make sure you take good care of him. that is it for us.

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