tv Greta Investigates O.J. Simpson FOX News June 15, 2014 6:00pm-7:01pm PDT
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of situation. >> there was nicole with her throat slashed. she was nearly behead. >> there was nicole with her throat slashed. she was nearly beheaded. >> he put up a struggle. >> there was literally a river of blood flowing down. >> the evidence was so clear. >> o.j. simpson was such a legend. >> no one that famous had ever been on trial in this country. >> the trial of the century. >> he would not have committed a crime. >> it turned into a circus. >> if it doesn't fit, you must
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acquit turns up evidence it was just all there. >> lapd. these are the racists. >> people changed their entire lives around this trial. >> hello. i am greta van susteren. 20-years ago in june of 1994 police were called to the scene of a horrendous double homicide of los angeles vess. left to die in a river of flood was the wife of o.j. simpson and her friend ronald goldman. the trial of o.j. simpson for these murders lasted an astonishing 16 months. it had twists and turns played out in a courtroom while a nation watched on television. i covered the case from the beginning and when i last sat down with o.j. simpson ten years ago for an interview he was a free man. he reflected on his wife and sen sayingsnal trial. today he sits in prison, but
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when the trouble all started then he thought he was going toened to enend it all right then and there riding in a ford bronco on the la freeway. >> i have oj in the car. >> june 17th, 1994, everyone in america remembers how the shocking scene unfolded on the freeways of los angeles. o.j. simpson was lying face down in the back of his white ford bronco holding a gun to his head. al collings also a former foot mra ball player was on the phone. >> get rid of the gun. please, too many people love you, man. >> the football legend and movie star was threatening to commit suicide. >> the slow speed bronco chase went on for 60 miles. he was supposed to be turning himself in to police for the
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murders of his ex-wife and her friend ron goldman. >> they found the bodies on the morning of 13th after midnight. when thiey got there the scene was horrific. there was nicole with her throat slashed she was nearly beheaded. ron goldman was lying in the little garden right next to her and he had been stabbed to death. >> linda deutsch is a special correspondent for associated press and covered the o.j. simpson trial from the beginning. >> on the day he ran they stood by the freeways with signs that said go juice. they wanted him to try for this. >> he was arrested for the murders. he assembled the dream team of defense lawyers. it started january 14th, 1995. >> you have a trail of blood from bundy drive to rockingham avenue and into the defendant's very bedroom.
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>> i could not have committed the crime. >> lasted 16 months. >> we had evidence to show he did this particular crime. >> the entire nation was trance fixed. he was the most famous american ever tried for murder. >> he was the juice. he was the ultimate sports hero. it was unbelievable to the public at large that he could be even suspected of such a vicious crime. >> the trial had accusation of corrupt cops racial under tones and media attention that was overwhelming. >> prosecutors portray him as a violent upset ex-husband. >> no one this famous had ever been on trial in this country. >> stand and face the jury. >> in october they came in with a verdict. millions watched on tv and
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listened on radio, we the jury find the defendant not guilty of the crime of murder. (chanting) >> ten years after the trial i sat down with simpson one-on-one in miami to hear the thoughts on the case. >> oj, how is life? >> i am golfing. i am happy. >> when you say o.j. simpson i think trial of the century, a huge population is mad out there about the verdict. you know that? >> yeah, i know because of the media. it took me a long time to realize -- i couldn't understand why people were so into my trial. i meet people they say i watched every minute of the trial. i had more people taping the whole thing. you know how much tape that
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would have taken p. >> do you hate the media? >> no, i don't. i think the media at this point in america that is going to hurt the four fathers never saw cable tv, they never saw -- they did. used to do the quote one who doesn't listen to the media is better informed than the one who does. so thomas jefferson was hip to the media way back then. >> some people say that cameras is the reason why you weren't convicted? >> the one thing i did cameras did for me, even though in one area the camera benefited me. >> i spoke to three people closely connected to the simpson place. how lame was the lead lapd detective in the investigation. john kelly successfully sued simpson for wrongful death in the civil trial. they won a judgment of $33.5 million. dr. baden is a forensic
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pathologist he examined the victims and simpson right after the murders. >> it he love the cameras in the media? >> i think he does love the cameras in tand the media. in prison we have to hear from this guy. he can't quit thinking about himself being the sociopath that he is. being the self indulging man he is he loves the attention. >> were the cameras a reason for the verdict or not? >> you mean the cameras in the courtroom? >>ive always been against that for a lot of reasons. main one is if you are testifying in open court the live cameras you are not being concerned with what you are being asked you are more concerned about the cameras going on you. i can recall after 8 and a half days on the stand people looking at me.
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how am i going to answer this? it effects testimony. cameras should never be allowed. >> you won the civil case. no cameras in that civil case. there were cameras in the criminal case. could you have won the cripple case with the cameras? >> i don't think the cameras dictated the verdict in the criminal case but it detracted from the graff to us situation of the trial and it turned into a circus. with that atmosphere i think the jury had no problem returning the verdict they did under those circumstances. it didn't have the feel of a double homicide trial as the case progressed. >> he's a very narcissistic person. he's the true definition of a sociopath. >> do you think of nicole any more? like 50,000 bonus points when i spent $5,000
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>> >> nicole was a great mom and a woman. >> she was a california beauty who became simpson's second wife. she was one of three sisters born to a german father and american mother. the 18-year-old nicole met o.j. simpson. >> the stories abound about him seeing her and saying, i am gonna marry her. >> the football star swept her off her feet into a luxurious hollywood lifestyle. >> they were a gorgeous couple. people said when they entered a room at a party or at a restaurant people would stop talking and catch their breath because they were so beautiful together. >> in 1985 simpson and nicole were married and soon after they became the parents of sidnydneyd justin. >> they seemed to be the golden
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couple as if nothing bad could ever happen to them. then the worst happened. >> i never met nicole. describe her? >> capable, very, very, very capable. probably as bright as any girl i have ever dated. because she was -- (indiscernible) traditional mother more so than other americans. for a man she was a great girl to have. you could fight but she would still cook you dinner. those traditional values that women bring to a relationship, she didn't let her emotions effect those. >> as the years passed simpson began to reveal a violent side. in 1989 pictures surfaced of a beaten and bloody nicole.
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he plead no contest to spousal abuse. things got so bad with simpson she filed for divorce in 1992 and tried to start a new life. she dromoved into a residence h. but simpson wouldn't let go and began stalking her. on october 25th, 17993 nicole dialled 911. the call is chilling. >> my ex-husband just broke into my house and he's ranting and raving. now he just walked out in the front yard. >> what does he look like. >> he's o.j. simpson. i think you know his record. could you send someone? oo >> do you think of nicole any more? >> i thought about her the other day. it was her birthday obviously. from time to time and there are times i am angry at her. >> why? >> because when i feel there's things that she could be doing
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with the kids better an i if it's emotional stuff especially with my daughter, i am angry with her. i am angry sometimes that she found herself hanging around with people. who these people. it pisses me off. kato kaelin he's in prison. i don't know these people. he and i weren't friends. we didn't hang out together. i don't know these people. i can count on my fingers i saw them. this is a group of no mads that nicole started hanging out with after we were divorced. >> you represented nicole brown simpson. when you listen to this what are your thoughts? >> he's a very narcissistic person p. can't believe there's so much hot air in one body. you ever watch him he's always shrug and laughing he is not talking the truth. i spent literally weeks with this man in a conference room
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when we were deposing him sat next to him at the trial for four months and just got more than my share of what this man is about. >> he's the definition of a sociopath in every respect. >> the family seems to really like o.j. simpson obviously up until the time of the murder. there were so many times of instances where he were abusing each other. >> if your adult daughter doesn't want you to meddle in her affairs with her husband or ex-husband as was the case you just don't do it. every day you look at the papers and hear about the abuse sort of telling a story that this could have been expected this guy was violent and dangerous. i don't think there was anything here that suggested ever that it
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could lead to homicide like that. >> how savage was this murder? there are all sorts of murders, 200 yards frwith a gun and this time. >> her throat had been cut. two carotid arteries cut. ple bleed out fast. she could have lost consciousness in 10 seconds. >> one big one across the neck six other stab wounds. so it was a very vicious kind of situation people should remember the neck is 4-5 dmcinches of thickness. the cervical spine is more than half of that sis stance. in this situation even though the cut went down to the bone it's about an inch or two but it cut through vital structures. the image of someone's head almost coming off as played in different newspapers is a false image that occurs whenever
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somebody's neck is cut. that was serious. goldman was stabbed about 20 times. he put up a struggle. >> ron goldman was a waiter at a restaurant. he had seen nicole when she had been there. they had become sort of friends. >> on the night of the murders nicole's mother dropped her sunglasses at the restaurant. ron a handsome model aspiring actor offered to bring them to nicole's condo. >> that's how he ended up there. at the wrong place at the wrong time. >> the front door is open lights on, the gate is open. she is expecting ron goldman. >> a good samaritan not as a boyfriend. >> not as a boyfriend. he's bringing back jennifer brown's glasses. >> totally a good samaritan. >> sure. she is outside. she is waiting outside. >> i can't remember who they said who died first, but they
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>> how many bump did you hear. can you demonstrate how loud it was? >> they argue the sounds he heard were o.j. simpson pumping into the air-conditioner on kato's window. >> i thought somebody was back there. >> they went to the he is skate to see it first hand. >> we didn't get to go inside with the jurors we went outside of the rockingham he is skate. there was a pool of reporters who were allowed to go. for a time oj was taken to a street nearby aged waited in in the car. but then he was brought back in. >> they had to basically convene a court session in the house. >> we talked about rockingham. when i was there we were there with a billion satellite trucks. everybody was watching you. everybody in the media was there. is that still your -- are we still dogging you? >> that hasn't been the case for a long time.
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the media bugs me thewhen there no news. >> i asked him what he thought about our justice system ten years ago and here's what he said. >> what do you think about the just sistice system? >> i think it works better in a time. once you put it out in the open, even though -- >> meaning putting it on camera sfl ? >> i think it changes everything. it changes everybody. i think the media influences it far too much. hear opinions are far too -- i think the public will follow cases, are swayed by those who comments on it. >> isn't it the jurors that matter? >> i found out in my case the only people who weren't affected by the media were the jurors. they were totally sequestered. in some wayses they aren't totally sequestered but i know
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they are affected by public opinion and neighborhood opinion. you cannot protect them if it's a high profile case you cannot protect them from being infected by somebody's opinion, somebody else's opinion. >> every time i have lost a trial, i always thought i wish i had done something differently. looking back do you wish you would have done something differently in terms of your participation in the trial? >> in the trial or investigation? >> i mean do you have any regrets? >> i don't have any regrets. if there was a regret i wish i was there to close down the crime scene investigation make sure everything was covered and made sure they did everything they should have done. but overall, no, i didn't think of anything i could change. >> can i defend christopher on one thing. putting the glove on o.j. simpson. i don't think he had any choice.
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o.j. simpson put on weight in jail and was on steroids from arthritis. bus he had a lay decks glove on. when you live there by the time you went home they were three sizes smaller. maybe if you are not in southern california you don't know that. if he hadn't done the glove on oj he could have handled it better and explained all of that. if he hadn't done that johnny cochran would have done that himself and pointed at the prosecutors and said why do you think the prosecutor didn't do that? they have them sitting in the room had the gloves here they didn't want you to know that. i don't think they had no choice. >> it's the way that he did it. it makes no sense. it doesn't fit. if it doesn't fit, you must acquit the glove did fit. he had very large hands bigger than simpson who hz large hands. phil didn't have any problem
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putting a glove on. if you are allowed to perform in a inju front of a jury in open t on live television you see what we saw with oj. >> coming up... >> oj was at the kardashian house. >> oj goes out to say good-bye to some people and disappears. ♪ ♪ yeah ♪ don't stop now, come on mony ♪ come on, yeah ♪ i say yeah ♪ yeah ♪ yeah ♪ yeah ♪ yeah ♪ yeah ♪ yeah ♪ 'cause you make me feel ♪ like a pony ♪ so good ♪ like a pony ♪ so good ♪ like a pony [ male announcer ] the sentra with bose audio and nissanconnect technology. spread your joy. nissan. innovation that excites.
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in el pass toe. now back to greta investigates o.j. simpson. >> when o.j. simpson was arrested for the murder of ex-wife nicole and ron goldman the police department was almost in as much in the hot seat as the football star. the rides that followed that judgment still haunted la. has the trial got underway the names of mark fuhrman became almost as recognizable as o.j. simpson. >> they knew it was him and never looked at any one else. >> the accusation of a corrupt cop slanted dna evidence to brand simpson. >> one of the allegations and tom can also speak to this is
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the whole issue there's an allegation of racism on the part of the lapd. this was a case where people quickly drifted off the facts and got into a lot of other topics. sometimes these issues are releva relevant. bias is always relevant in a trial. but this was used by the defense. >> it is. it is interesting because the defense did have a jury consultants. the jury consultant a nice gal. defense jury consultants, the de sense should get black women on the jury they would be partial to oj. marsha clark knew this but she felt over the years she had done well with black females on jurors that they were responsive to her. they both went looking for female black jurors and there they got a number of blafemale
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black jurors. you can put la counsel out there they have done this and that. she wanted to stick to the core blood evidence. she knew this was lapd on trial. this was going to be the fuhrman trial. racist la cops right after rodney king. all of this was going to be put on and she knew that. she wanted to stick to the blood evidence. if you put this evidence on you are going to have to put on these la cops. >> oddly during the 2004 interview simpson told me he thought detective lang would ultimately help him. >> i thought lang would be my salvation. once you write a book together you make an income from it you compromise yourself. i had much worse defiant
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feelings with him than lang. when the verdict was read i had taken issue as i told my lawyers, i wanted to go after lang. it took everything i could not to go after this guy. i felt she was responsible for allowing mark fuhrman to be out of control as he evidently was during the investigation of this case. >> detective isn't here he can't defend himself to o.j. simpson. i assume you have a response to oj on that? >> again a typical sociopath at work. total denial. bs on and on and on. thes what you find on a typical sociopath. >> he does accuse everybody but
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himself. >> this would have been a strong homicide case if dna didn't exist at that time. the shoes size the bloody tracks, the cut on his hand, the facts that he would have had a key to the back gate. blood on the seat console, blood back at the driveway of his house, the other glove found there. you wouldn't even have to know whose blood it was all of the physicali items of this case wee so interconnected without the dna portion of it it could have been tried this way. >> this was the big debut of dna to the public and the.you are re. the experts on dna and uniqueness and how it matches up to only a specific individual was presented for four or five
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days in a wonderfully technical way for forensic scientists and doctors to learn about it but it was way over the head of jurors. >> a oo the way it was represented to those jurors, they didn't understand the significance of what we are talking about now. >> part of the problem the police were to cross examine as detective vannatter putting it in his pocket and going off with it for a day. >> it happens you put it in in an envelope that is even on the videotape. >> he didn't take it? >> he didn't put it in his pocket. >> that was the allegation. i am not challenging. i didn't mean to challenge you. i am saying that's what people said. >> there is no unanswered questions. there are no misreadings or anything else. i agree with what dr. baden said
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they over the blood evidence. there is a bunch of other stuff they could have used too but they over did the blood. >> all of these photographers were taken at the crime scene that day. photographs existed two hours later that showed all of the blood and where it waus and thee was no way to track the blood. >> did he have any injuries? >> he was very depressed. the murder had occurred a few days earlier but he hadn't been charged yet. he was hiding at the
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kardashians. as we were brought up to where oj was before he was arrested being hidden at the kardashian house. >> not kim father who was and old friend of oj's and his lawyer's. >> the father's house. when we came in there were people down stairs including young girls, children at that time, but we went up the second floor to examine oj because shapiro wanted evidence. we took hair samples and whatever for forensic use before he was getting arrested. hadn't been asked to be arrested yet because he was hiding out and the police didn't know where he was. while we were doing that bob shapiro gets a call wefrom the prosecutor we have an arrest
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warrant for oj tell us where you are. shapiro told him where we were the kardashian home. during that time oj goes out and disappears. >> coming up... >> they didn't have the picture of o.j. simpson wearing the bruno mali shoes. >> we had a witness, she is looking at the shoes. she says, well, i have seen oj with those shoes on. you told us your number one olive garden dishes. now they're part of our 2 for $25 guest favorites! get your all-time favorites like creamy chicken alfredo. plus unlimited salad and breadsticks and dessert. 2 for $25 guest favorites
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>> the verdict in the simpson trial polarized the nation. others said he will be acquitted. >> one year after simpson walked the wrongful death civil trial began on behalf of the estate of ron goldman and nicole brown simpson. >> it was not a murder trial and the judge did not allow cameras in the courtroom. but it still had enormous coverage. >> the civil trial different from the criminal trial in significant ways. it was not televised. second the burden of proof in a civil trial is much lower. third the plaintiff introduced new evidence. both damaging, simpson had declared he never owned a pair
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of bruney mali shoes the luxury brand a left a bloody footprint at the crime scene. during the civil trial this photo surfaced simpson wearing those very shoes. evidence shown to the jury. a photo caught simpson in a lie. a big lie. on february 4th, 1997, the jury found simpson liable for these murders of mick coal brown simpson and ron goldman. many had said this is the trial won right. >> in the civil case i remember you the civil team you presented the blood evidence in very short order compared to marsha clark and christopher darden who did it days on end. >> friday afternoon i put the detective on the stand i think for 12 minutes and everybody stepped back and thought it was going to be two or three-days of direct and cross examination. >> how about the fact that they didn't have the picture of o.j. simpson wearing those bruno mali shoes which he infamously
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described as the ugly ass shoes in the deposition of the civil case. you had a picture of him wearing them in the civil case. >> the media coverage helped in that. the initial picture of simpson in those food was called a fraud one that was in the national enquirer. it was new year's eve in the middle of the trial i got a call enter went up to buffalo the film was developed with him in those shoes. something that wouldn't have happened if the media wasn't looking for these things and talking about it constantly. >> we are looking at the shoes right now. those are what oj described in that deposition as the ugly ass shoes. >> i love the fact thwhen they found blood and determined what kind of shoe it was. what are the odds the fbi is going to find from a half of a blood footprint they traveled to italy, he said he didn't have the shoes, and well he did have
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a shoe. >> fbi has a tremendous catalog of shoe shells in spare son. we had a witness before any of this that pecked put out the shoes for o.j. simpson. >> where was that witness? >> it was nicole's younger s sister dominique. i did a six-pack of shoes before anything about bruno malis. put together a six-pack of shoes and just like one would. there were six different news none were bruno mali. i show this to dominique and i admonish her i said because i am showing you a set of shoes don't any anything about it. don't put too much thought into why i am doing this but i am going to ask you direct questions for you to look at the
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six photograph of shoes. she is a bright young woman. she is looking at the shoes, she said, well, actually, i have seen this type of shoe before points to it being good told molly. well, i have seen okay j with those news down. the what you knows that need bruno shoes. >> what did she say? >> fine. >> did your family ever collect from o.j. simpson? >> the estate did. >> your client was the estate. >> there was an auction with the portion to the two play tips and people elected. >> how much did they get out of the judgment? what percentage of the judgment?
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retrieve some of his own stolen memorabilia. >> he is charged with armed robbery and kidnapping. so he went on trial. it was a very strange trial. the judge was adamant in her dislike of him and his lawyer. the prosecutor seemed determined to get him and there were over tones of the trial in l.a. two police detectives didn't get him in l.a. so we are going to get him here, which obviously is not the way the justice system is supposed to work but in a way that's how it worked. he was convicted as pay back. >> pay back or not the murder trials was one of the most extraordinary in american history. >> 20-years later what's the legacy of the trial. >> you see it established dna is important. i think normally it takes years
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and decades before new technologies come in but i think in 1994 as a result of all of the publicity dna it immediately permitted it into mainstream trials and they became routine. >> john? >> there are a couple of legacies. one i think he is right the whole dna has put a lot of people back on the streets who were convicted. it helps convict a lot of people that should be convicted using that. the media aspect of it it gave rise to a whole cottage industry the whole cable world was developed around simpson. i caught on and people loved watching these sort of true ee ality show -- reality shows and crime and punishment took off exploded on the scene. >> i was practicing law and teaching. >> that's when we met -- how
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many people if you look back 18 years ago in the civil case all of the people that were there covering the case where they are now. so many of them p born an industry of anchors and shows and second careers that came after the case because of it. >> tom it's a legacy? >> there's a couple of things that concern me. i hope we would look at this case the way it was tried and learn something that it was over done in some areas under done in others. the thing that i hope would really sick in is no one is ever in control. the judge was not in control. she was like johnnie cochrane was in control. parted of that i think is cameras in the courtroom all of the lawyers played to those cameras. the police were gagged, we weren't able to say anything. our chief had gagged us. but the court hadz to send a message they are in control. you don't do that by having everybody playing to cameras in
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the courtroom you don't do it with a gag order. >> thank you. 20-years later who would have guessed. 20-years goes pretty fast. >> the controversy oo surrounding the o.j. simpson trial are still being debated today. people argue about the evidence, the trial the jury's decision. but what is not in dispute is that two people nicole brown simpson and ron goldman were viciously murdered 20-years ago. as strange as it seems to date no one has spent a day in prison for the murder. i am greta van susteren. thank you for watching. upgrade to the philips norelco shaver series 8000 for the most advanced shaving experience.
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