tonight on "red eye." >> coming up on "red eye," the struggle to make soccer interesting continues. we will examine why some countries will try anything to make the mundane sport somewhat watchable. and how good are the president and joe biden at double dutch? >> we are super under rated. that is something i never thought i would say. you are pretty excited about that. >> and finally, just how hard is it being someone's little brother? twice as hard as a it is staying inside the blanket. none of these stories on "red eye" tonight. >> good. i'm tom shillue filling in for greg gutfeld. and now let's welcome our guests. she is funny ha-ha and funny

strange. i am here with joanne nosuchunsky. he is smarter than he looks, and that's saying something because he looks like a huge nerd. it is daily caller deputy editor will ron. if you want a good laugh, google what his hair used to look like. it is rich vas. check out his pod cast my wife hates me. and she majored in not telling a lie, fox news national security analyst kt mcfarland. >> a block. the lede. that's the first story. >> could an unsavory alliance put isis on ice? the obama administration is considering a collab with iran. secretary of state john kerry said the u.s. is open to discussions with the islamic country which is an ally of the shiite-lead government. and even one of obama's toughest foreign policy crit

picks supports -- crit -- critics supports the strategy. >> the iranians can provide some assets to make sure baghdad doesn't fall. >> the u.s. has moved a fourth naval ship into the gulf and a hundred troops into the embassy. iran has september -- sent troops along with drones seen here. >> okay, serious discussion. i want to start it first with our foreign policy expert on the panel. rich, should we team up with the iranians? >> here is what i think. when i talk to the iranians it should come up with the conversation. you know those nukes?

>> just mention that? i don't know we may be mixing. >> why are we doing this? why not let israel take care of everything and mind our own business? >> let's go with maybe rich. we macon result a different kind of expert. kt you said in the green room not only should we cooperate with iran, but we should make them part of our family plan on sprint. >> i don't know which green room you were in. >> that wasn't you? that might have been rich. >> rich's idea is not so bad. there is a fundamental rule. you have two enemies killing each other? don't step up and try to stop them. >> you want to let them kill each other? didn't we try that in the 80s? >> there was the iran-iraq war and henry kissinger, my boss, said this is the one war you don't want anybody to win and to go on forever. >> was it wise policy then and is it wise now? >> it kept them busy. in all seriousness, we have

fought and lost two iraq wars. we won and lost and then we won and then we lost. i don't know if cooperating with iran and cooperating with iran's air force means we win this one. the united states needs to think outside the box. what are our vital interests, oil, terrorists, israel and how do we achieve the interests. >> we want some and we don't want others. >> we want the oil and don't want terrorists and we want israel to survive. is there another way to do this? i think there is. the united states in the last five years has developed the technology to look deep underground for oil and gas. we have a lot of it. we should develop it and will be self-sufficient ourselves within 18 months. then we can be the world exporter. who needs a middle east? and then the terrorists, the argument is that if we don't do something in iraq the terrorists will set up shop and then will come and attack us.

terrorists, al-qaeda, it is like cockroaches. you get rid of them in one place they go to another place. focus on the united states and protecting our own borders and understanding who is in the united states and then focusing our counterterrorism strategy on looking for terrorists in assisted of 350 million americans and listening to everybody's phone call, but not really focused on the handful of people that might actually do us harm. in britain, they say they have about 2,000 potential terrorists who could go operational at anytime they are looking at. we are looking at everybody. we need to look at a smaller subset and really look at them. >> so no deal with iran? >> not a chance. this is another green room you were dreaming about. >> you tend to make complex things simple on the show. unless are you a simple ton and i don't know. it seems like sometimes you can boil it down to its elements. what the heck is going on over there now. tell me. >> i hate it when tv pundits

go on and lecture everybody about something they know nothing about. at the same time i have a job to do so let's get to it it. this is a rapidly unfolding situation, tom. we don't have any good options. i hope we don't have to discuss why reinvading iraq and putting boots on the ground would be a bad idea and the alliance with the eye rain a yens also sounds short sided. a lot of people say we should get closer to the kurds. we have a strong relationship with them. they are battle tested. they are in a wonderful position to attack isis. does this sound like -- it soms smart to me. >> the kurds have been trying to establish their own country. they are ethnically different and speak a language than everybody else does. the problem is at least for the other countries in the region is there are kurds in about five countries. >> why don't we give them a

country smack in the middle of it all. >> they would be a strong ally to the united states. that is not a bad idea. i don't think it will solve the other problem. >> is there going to be an independent -- are the kurds going to have their own country in northern iraq? >> they will take advantage of what they see as a fluid situation. if they can make their own country in the northern part of iraq, remember, they have a lot of the oil wells, so they would have an ability to have a strong economy if it happens. but the problem is the middle east will have a 30-year war. it will be a sunni versus shiite and fuelled by arab oil money. >> is it time to say we are out of there and not getting involved in any of this? >> you say trump will not open a golf course there? >> i don't think he is going to. >> isis, i never heard of them until last week. have you heard of them? do you know what is going on? >> i didn't know any of this. i read kt's article or her opinion piece and i learned a

lot about this topic. the best way to understand it all, i use analogies and i relate to things i know like reality tv. like big brother. everyone is competing and a lot of alliances form. you say maybe this will help me now, but this might bite me in the rear later. most people turn on the alliances as soon as they get what they want. i think we shouldn't invest our time in these countries that are duking it out between themselves. >> what do we say to this massive project? anyone involved in the military for the past 15 years is upset it is all going down the drain now. should we try to salvage it or let it go? >> i was in the white house during the vietnam war and saw the end of that. we had a lot of the debates like it was a wasted sacrifice. what we have to talk about and i have a child in the military and you have to say you didn't sign up to help iraq.

you took an oath of office to help the united states of america and you did. that was a noble thing to do. don't look at the iraq and afghanistan situation. look at them as a moment when the american constitution works. we have civilians control the military. we made mistakes and the civilian leaders you can hold to account. they performed noblely and well and we owe them a debt of gratitude we can never repay. and that's why we shouldn't skimp. >> that's something we can all agree on. you want to make one final point? >> if they were having a fight , would you jump in the middle and say this fight should not happen? >> you would make a good fight referee. >> april am i the only person who makes the reference? >> i got the point.

look at the tattoo. >> two out of three isn't bad. >> who is the most admired president? if you said purple you didn't understand the question. according to a new poll from the "wall street journal" it is bill clinton. yes. bill clinton is tops. that's a longtime. he must have beaten out a lot of other presidents. or just three that's right. slick willy beat out the current hated president. the former hated president the first husband did receive 42% of the vote, more than doubling the individual amount of any of the other contenders. let's look at highlights from sunday's nba finals. >> that was 13 weeks of hard

work. >> 13 weeks of hard work? i'm sorry. that's an effort. >> that's a lot of work. >> i was thinking of the story here. >> you want to talk about the pet. >> we don't recognize them because guiliani banned them. >> kt, speaking of the presidents here is it time to start reconsidering term limits? >> i can't believe how many there were sips i got out of college. >> how old are you? >> i just turned 48. >> nobody can believe that. >> born at 1966. >> the guy who has under estimated him is bush 41. >> why wasn't he re-elected? >> i can remember when saturday night live was making fun of the fact that nobody could possibly beat him and then a few months later he was

down in the dumps. >> there was a third party candidate ross perot who took part of the vote. >> and he stunk with the charts of his. >> and his goofy ears. >> bill clinton only got a third of the country's vote jie. 42%. >> you are a big lover of bill clinton. do you remember those days in the 90s where everyone had their own dot-com? >> i do. everybody was poor. that's all i remember. >> we made a million dollars and then lost it all. >> that was fun. this says more about our rent -- recent president than bill clinton who we have a nostalgia for because the 90s was nice, but clinton is such a gangster and it is not just the sex and the lying, he allowed al-qaeda to develop. there was all of these shady last-minute pardons for his big political donor. >> we remember that.

>> when he left office everybody is like, wow, we are glad to get rid of him. after the last guy and then this guy, it starts to look a little better, but this is more about the last two presidents. i share the george h.w. bush love. >> he jumped out of a plane the other day. >> he is 90! >> everybody loved him. >> longer the time goes by though we think of people in a kinder light. when he left office he was so unpopular that his vice president went down in flames. do you remember al gore? >> he wasn't -- she wasn't even born yet. >> the same thing happens with exboy ends from. you only remember the good times and then you want to go back to them. >> and he actually had a lot of ex-girlfriends. >> you aren't getting what this is all about. this is about a liberal push subconsciously for hillary in the future.

anytime they write something positive about bill clinton in the back of your mind, hillary for the future. >> that might be a good point. >> bush combined didn't ion -- didn't even get that. >> even republicans said they liked him. >> you are going to believe polls now? >> if you believe polls ask how many people like that outfit you are wearing and see if they are telling the truth. you look like a box of crayons. what i i am saying is horrible. it is all subliminal. >> it was all paper money and speculation. it all crashed during bush. he is blamed for it.

all of that money is gone. >> kt, why do we judge presidents by the economy. we elect them because of the economy. we fire them when the economy doesn't do well. but that's not the important thing the president does. isn't it foreign policy? >> no. i make my money doing foreign policy. i think it is the economy is stupid. >> don't we love america's point -- bill clinton, was he responsible for this dot com boom 1234 anybody who wasn't would reap the benefits. >> regan was response believe a. he unleashed the economy and de regulated a lot of things and it spurred on trough pro their y'all activity. >> so the economy is a few years to p -- few years behind. jay so bill clinton is to blame for what is going on now? >> will she meet defeat over a

tweet? in an interview with cosmopolitan magazine, where i get all of my news, sarah jessica parker fears twitter will destroy her. the anguished actress law -- law meanted i feel i need to respond to every retweet or sick child or parent sick or not. she didn't say that. i added that. her public support of obama lead to some internet nastiness. sjp wondered as a responsible person should i open a conversation with somebody saying unlikeable things or let it go? parker hoped to have a situation with twitter that doesn't destroy me. they caught up with her on the way to the set of her new movie. >> there is a horse in the car. >> wait a minute. >> you do not endorse that.

>> i introduced the video and i didn't even know it was coming. >> i love sjp. >> i do too. she does president look like the passenger -- she doesn't look like the passenger in that vehicle. we are always on social media. we can lose fans by saying the wrong thing on twitter. >> what will destroy her are some of her sequels. >> sequels? how about the first one? >> they don't know how to block people. i used to be a crack addict. i loved crack, but i knew it would destroy me so i kept away from it. >> wait a minute, you loved crack? >> are you kidding me? you see somebody out there where do i get is it. i have 28 years clean now.

twitter to her might be her crack. stop. you don't need. it you are family muss enough. >> will, you are on twitter and sometimes we make jokes. don't people realize it is light and anything goes? what are they worried about? >> a rich middle aged woman doesn't like twitter and says something silly. twitter is terrible. twitter is awful and all social media. >> it is all terrible? >> yes, it is all terrible. i don't get nearly enough followers every time i am on these shows. >> atom shillue gets a lot of followers. >> people follow me thinking i am you. >> kt, twitter is great. during the uprising in iran, the twitter hash tags were going is it a great way to communicate. >> but i see the point. when you have lots of followers it is like you are

having an individual one on one conversation with a million people. >> you blow them off. don't answer them. >> i just favorite. you just favorite them. >> it is different these days. back in the day before twitter her publicist would have gotten the fan mail and thrown it all away and sifted through it and only shown her the good things. now people are tweeting not because they want a response. but they feel entitled. why isn't she getting back to me they are afraid it will ruin her persona and the way people see her. >> she is a perfectionist too. >> i don't need the problem. >> the problem with twitter and the internet is it gives people a platform who shouldn't have a platform. >> atom shillue is not worried about the mean people, only the nice ones. >> a case of the mondays turns into a case of the tuesdays. have to hate it when that happens.

what is the best pizza topping? i don't know why the guests even bother to try.

are we getting smarter or stupider? scores are decreasing on the s.a.t.'s since the 1930s. researchers have several theories including the fact we are living in a more stimulating environment. with the rise of internet and other technology we are exposed to richer and more complex entertainment and information options. while our brains are getting branier are we lacking skills of past generations ?

a writer who has the same effect as huff glue has a list of skills your grand parents had that you don't. cooking from scratch, ironing really well, haggling, meeting people without the internet and not letting women vote. i added that last one. but it is the truth. when jfk said we could get to the moon we got to the moon even though will ron doesn't believe it happened. is a similar effect happening? we focus on abstract thinking and on the internet and get better at things like that. >> we get better at things like that. the brain things in two ways. mit has studied this. >> the left and the right. >> it is a little different than that. what is wrote memorization. >> that's the left. >> that's the left. and the other is creative. >> that's me. >> did you watch the old folk when's they try to do the computer, the manual and trying to figure it out.

have you ever watched a 3-year-old do aputer? they go right to it. play with it. that's problem solving. that's creative thinking. the other is wrote memorization. we are actually quite good at the problem solving stuff. there is some evidence that the brains are being recircuited. >> so kasey thinks old people are dumb and young people are smart. what do you think? do you agree? >> i would go with that. >> how old are you? >> 40. >> the world is a more affluent place. you are much less likely to die young and much more likely to have a reasonably nutritious diet unless you live in the southern states. it makes sense that the iq rates are going up. in earlies it of the past talents we have lost, cooking from scratch and delivery is delicious. ironing is totally lame. we have shirts now. >> i like ironing.

it gives me time to think. >> i love ironing. i iron t-shirts. >> if you ask people at home, now that they know, but if they asked who is the guy who loves ironing they would have said will ron and you are the kind of guy that goes out to the lown dree to get his shirt. >> i wish i could iron out my jokes, but you i love ironing clothing. >> it is a way to think before going out on the town, is it not? >> the worst is when you are in the hotel with the iron. h. >> i get burn marks. >> i reach over and i always get sipinged. >> what happens when you make a stew? >> that steaming is overrated. it never works for me. i am steaming all morning. >> the one thing on this list of the things i think everyone should bring back is the handwritten letters.

we don't do that anymore. gentlemen, i'm telling you the ones that will write a love letter and give it to the girl and not in a stalker way. she has to like you back. but that is just -- >> this is the thing. i used to write the letters, but you can't get it to them unless you stalk them. >> put it under their pillow. >> you are an old-fashioned guy. when we were kids, don't you remember when kids used to take the handle bars off and they put a steering wheel on it? or they would take the forks off? >> where did you grow up? >> we had banana sheets, did you make the go carts out of the shopping carts? we would go on the biggest hills. >> we would race them. i almost died in my cemetery. we had a big race.

>> that is the place to go. you don't know how fun it is to hang out at the cemetery. >> i i am not saying back in the day. but we played sports in the streets. >> we used to take saw horses to play street hockey. and then the cars cooperate come down. >> we would light a house on fire. >> was there excerpt ofer-- from a bronx tale. >> blocking traffic. >> coming up, alex trebek sets a world record. i bet it is for most words set in a fake accent. first, a word from our sponsor. >> it is sponsored by the ugly face disguisers. well now no one will notice

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he ensured his place in the history books while giving people condescending looks. yes becoming the most prolific game show host in history just propelled this tv quiz master into the guinness book of world records. oh, sorry, we were looking for

who is alex trebek. the well known canadian game show host. trebek hosted his record breaking show asking thousands of question. my question is do people dream of getting into the guinness book anymore? that's the subject of tonight's -- >> as a kid my brother and i poured over the beiges of the guinness book of world records. this was the internet. it showed the bizarre, the fanciful and the tragic. every boy i knew wanted to get into the book, but it seemed beyond our reach. you had to possess a god given talent or be cursed with a freakish mality. he had to be buried in a piano case. and a man so tall he was forced to spend his life taking black and white portraits with average people

like a human tape measure. they both married and fathered multiple children causing young tom shillue to awkwardly picture his first threesome. and the mcgyer twins who never got off the motor cycles. it was with great pride i got into the guinness book. i participated in the longest stand up comedy show. the show ended on june 5th and a few years later on january 26th, 2012 i set a world record on record setter.com for most adams apple bobs in 30 seconds. here are the highlights. >> the most adams apple bobs, tom shillue, on your mark, get set, go.

>> i remember that like it was yesterday. like most world records, the comic strip stand up show was broken by the laugh factory in l.a. i would like to officially attempt to break my own bobs. i felt they were under counted. perhaps due to a dispute over the depth of some of my bobs i thought i bobbed more than 26 times. i will attempt to smash my old record. could we set the clock for 30 seconds please.

♪ >> don't tell me that wasn't a world record. >> were we supposed to count? >> our judges will count. i am going to contact record setter.com and i'm sure i shattered my old record. >> wait, maybe you should do that again. i don't think we were counting. >> i will need a little rest. maybe i can try it again next time i am on "red eye." rich remember we broke that together. >> you must have been a hit at the bathhouses. i do remember that record. >> were you aware it was broken by the laugh factory? >> i was on that show too. >> i didn't know it was broken. >> i don't even think the

younger -- joanne, you didn't even read the guinness book of world records. >> it was interesting, but no one was like, we need to get in that book. alex trebek didn't try to, but he was like i keep working and they gave me this award. >> we dreamed of getting into the book. >> oh my god. >> you may have been a nerdy guy like myself. you would anything you can in junior high to get the girls's attention. at one point they said that thing in his throat is so gross. when it grosses out the girls you can master it. >> we know what the closing bid is. >> this is time for the "red eye" debate. the new york post says they

are not buying the saw wedge pizza. that's the subject of tonight's dash. >> red eye debate 2014, live from the "red eye" debate center. >> welcome back to the requested red eye" debate center. pepperoni and cheese are the most popular types of pizza in knock city, but -- in new york city, but sue sedge is not to be ignored. 30 years og i ordered 30 or ford pounds a week and now i only order two three pounds. it was replaced by things like buffalo chicken and pineapple and pigeon feathers. again i made up the last one. rich, you may be an expert. pepperoni is pretty much the same on every pizza. sausage always varies. you don't know if it is crumbled or slices or patties

or what? >> my favorite topping is terry russell on pizza. if i can have her on my pizza she is from -- >> kerry russell? >> did i satisfy terry? i meant her sister i screwed up my own joke. i don't eat red meet. pizza to me is straight up. just pizza. joe's pizza i just get pizza. >> just a slice? >> it is just the macho, just a slice. >> i will not put things on. >> i love saw veg -- sausage pizza, but i like it crumbled up. not the disgusting slices of sausage, am i right? >> you have a good point. the inconsistency.

if you are in new york you should get something vaguely italian. and then you can get a buffalo chicken pizza. it is sad people are going for the buffalo chicken instead of a sausage slice. >> i think what did it in is if you have ever seen anybody take a napkin and paper towel and put it on top? >> that's horrible. my daughter does that. >> that's what did it? >> to take the oil off? >> it takes the grease out. once you realize that -- >> you want to ram the knife in their eye. >> so violent. >> it will make room for my crushed red pepper and hot sauce. >> you like a little hot on the pizza. either plane or pepperoni.

>> can i say something about the new york pizza? new york pizza stipgs -- stinking and i am from boston and it is much better. everyone has an attitude in new york. most of the corner joints with the attitude, the pizza, it stinks. new york we are is filled with microscopic shrimp. >> i read that. >> the moo i crow scope pick shrimp -- microscopic shrimp makes it nice and boston is terrible. >> >> regina pizzeria, it is great. they can only have to much great pizza m. >> if parents are mean, are they going green? find out next.

would you like sticky i icky if your parents were stricty? the stricter a parent is the more likely their kid will end up smoking pot and smoke cigarettes and drink beer and have fun. over 7,000 adolescents from six countries participated in the research to see what was the most effective method of parenting. researchers found children with moms and dads who reasoned with them were more

likely to abstain. says the author of the study, quote, our results support the idea that extremes are not effective. neither authoritarianism and absence of control and affection. joanne, do you buy this study? i don't agree with it at all. >> the best case scenario is the parentses that party and smoke pot with their kids. they teach them how to do it correctly and then they don't get into any sort of issues. >> they would rebel. children are rebellious by nature. if they have pothead parents they would. >> i don't know if it is as much to do with discipline as the child's personality. if you have a type-a kid or a type-b kid? >> type-a is me. i like to be in control. i get nervous trying new things. >> and you like to be a good kid. and you behaved well. >> exactly. and it may have been the fear of the lord. we had to go to church.

it may be a little discipline. >> the discipline and the religion. you were a moderate personality. >> i should raise children. to be just like me. >> i don't know if you want to comment on parenting. your mother is well known. she probably doesn't watch the show, right? i would like to note here that this is a european study with european parents. what is a strict european parent? no cigarettes for class -- for clause until he is 8? is that no group sex for pipa until she gets to high school? >> it doesn't translate perfectly to americans. >> there are so few author tear a yens, they are frightful. they go off the deepened. kt, what do you think? >> it is a dopey study.

several thousand adolescents were asked the question. >> this is a kid thing saying mom and dad, if you are strict i will take drugs. of course. you are so many i will jump off a cliff. >> i bet you strict parents, right? >> my parents or was i a strict mother? >> i am talking you. >> i'm pretty straight and arrow. when my kids were little we had a big sign that said no wining. it worked out. >> no wine? >> no whining. >> you did crack. whatever your parents did we will do the opposite. >> as a parent, i was an absentee parent -- no. >> you have children? do you raise them the same way you were raised? >> i do the complete opposite. you want kids grow up to be good kids?

all you have to do is show them attention and affection. that's it. >> that's what the study says. >> strict and non-strict, that's all bull. you say, okay, we weren't strict with our kids, so they didn't do drugs, but now they are in jail for insider trading. it is a fine line of being a strict parent or we will let you go with this. the main thing for a kid to grow up is attention and affection. whatever you do you do well. >> attention is more important than affection. i think my parents had the great formula. they were disciplinarians until i was 12 and then hands-off they let me go. it was a good lesson. coming up, can people detect flirting? audience, i don't know. you tell me. do you have videos of animals? send them to us at fox

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last story. that's the last story. >> are you alert to a flirt?

according to a new study both sexes are bad at detecting flirtatious behavior. they paired up straight college men and women for a chat -- for a 10-minute chat. when asked about it later participants are pretty clueless at recognizing when someone was flirting. speaking of flirts. he is coy. kt -- >> i think he may be a slasher. >> is this legitimate? the difficulty in recognizing flirting is similar to the trouble in spotting a liar? >> again, who did they interview? a bunch of college kids. they are not doing a lot of inner personal skills. everyone is tweeting. >> so we have lost. >> they lost the art of

flirting. >> and maybe there is a new version to flit on-line ox but they don't know how to do it in person. >> do you think people don't know how to flirt because they lost their inter personal commune cation? >> i guess if you are making friends on the internet you don't know how to talk to people. did you doesn't every guy think everybody is flirting with him all the time? >> that's why -- >> like i think 75% of the people i meet are flirting with me. >> there are whistles when somebody walks by thinking that 1* flirting. >> somebody whistling at me? no i won't do it. >> sbt this a guy thing though, they don't know. they can't pick up on signals. >> we have to define what flirting in. flirting s. some guy think on

gross line is flirting and it is not. when it is an interaction people are thinking about themselves more than what they are saying and doing. i don't know, i was getting something out of my teeth. rich, if someone is into you, i will go for. it. >> that jacket and briefcase bricks out the colors of your eyes. >> that's all you have to say. a special thanks to joanne, will ron and kt mcfarland. i'm tom shillue and i will see you next time.

are burning our flags. no wonder one out of three is bummed out. hello i'm dana perino, kimberly guilfoyle, eric bolling, bob beckle, and who is this guy? it's jesse waters. it's 5:00 in new york city, this is "the five." islamic militants are on the move in iraq. today they seized another city in iraq, talibana -- talafar. these photos show executions of soldiers. questions are being raised on what if anything the u.s.