you are going to want to keep it her it it it it it it the the the the the the the >> tune in this afternoon at 2 p.m. eastern and you will s that. >> i bet jayden could beat him. "happening now" starts now. bye-b bye-bye, everybody. see you later. we are waiting news from a white house strategy session on iraq with president obama weighing the next strick -- terrorist strike the largest oil refinery. >> house members got a classified briefing on iraq and the president will meet with the congression congressional leadership at the white house. things are spiraling out of

control. there is word they are taking the fight closer to baghdad. connor powell is following are of the events. >> the fighters are moving closer each day to baghdad but the iraqi military is putting up some type of fight now but far from reversing the momentum of the sunni insurgeant fighters chat. today they attacked an oil refinery north of baghdad. the iraqi military is saying they have repelled the attack but insurgeants appear to be in control for some of the refinery. the fighting forces some countries like exonn and bp to pull out foreign workers.

iran is saying they will protect the shiite smemorable. and the big scare, jon, is this won't just be a civil war in iraq, but a regioninal war spilling over into the other countries. >> as the white house is weighing options we have david deptula here and he led air campaigns over iraq and afghanistan. it is great to have you on the program. i would like to know if you think airstrikes are the way to go but first what is the key to

making that decision? >> i think your question goes at the heart of the issue. people like to talk about military options off the bat but you are not going to be effective unless you put them in context with the desired outcome. so before sending in troops talk, or air strastrikairstrike what is the desired outcome of the force before discussing how it should be accomplished. >> i am going to show the viewers a map so they can see where they toured over the last

month. what do you think is the goal for the united states consideration what is happening inside iraq? >> it is very complex. you have the continuation of conflict between two religious sects and one could say malkey is at the heart of because of excluding the sunni's in his administration. one needs to ask the question what are the critical u.s. national security interest at play that would determine or have a weight on whether u.s. security forces should be involved. the obvious question and answer is we need to use whatever forces are necessary to protect american personal in baghdad in the embassy but beyond that we need to ask these other questions if in fact our use of

force might be getting us embroiled into a civil war that no application of military force by a third party is going to resolve. these are the difficult questions they are dealing with. >> do you think if the decision was made we will go ahead with airstrikes, do you think we risk getting involved in a civil war in iraq? >> personal, i do. but let me lay out three generic options for the use of force to demonstrate what i am talking about that would guide the developments of the kinds and types of forces we would use. as you showed in your map, you have isis moving down through lines of communication and getting closer to baghdad. so a military objective might be

to halt further movement of them toward baghdad. air power is customed made and tailored to do that and is proven to be effective time over time. but that is one set of goals and objectives. there maybe a second macrolevel objective in the context of removing forces from the villages and towns they are occupying. that is going to require the use of indigenous forces rearrange with air power to accomplish that objective and then the third one maybe eliminating the effectiveness of isis as a fighting force. so you can see be identifying those objectives there is going to be a myriad of different force elements not just provided by the united states or iraq or other coalition members in the

region. there is those kinds of decision and relationship between military force to political objectives that need to be discussed. >> and you said the goals are to stop them from going to baghdad, eliminating them from the population and third is eliminating them all together which is the bigger goal probably because these are bad guys. what about what kind of intelligence who do you need on the ground? what insight about achieving those goals? >> this isn't an on/off switch answer. first, you don't need boots on the ground, or a lot, to meet the military objectives, particularly the halt phase.

desert storm, 1991, 40-43 days there were no boots on the ground but through the air power we paralyzed an entire country's military and complished our objectives. if you look at the first 60 days of operation freedom we met our security interest through the use of air power another with indigenous forces and a few other forces from other government agencies. with persistent intelligence asset like predator and reaper you can provide continuous overwatch which allows the targeting of advisauries very

well. >> based on the research you have in this region, what lessons have we learned from the last decades that we should think about applying here to this situation? >> thanks for the question. the biggest is we need to find our critinal desires and our political outcome is before we get embroiled with getting into the details of what kind of use of force should we apply. military force is nothing more than a means to an end of achieving desired outcomes and that is the question we need to find first before we jump in and get embroiled in a civil war between two religious sects that have been going on for

centuries. >> i hope you will come back general and provide answers for us. thank you for your time. there are new details on a story that broke here at this type yesterday. the capture of a key suspect in the 2012 benghazi attack. they are paving the way for the trial on american soil for his alleged assault that killed four brave americans including our ambassad ambassador. jennifer griffin has more. >> reporter: u.s. delta forces captured him sunday in an efficient 32 minute operation. he just came back from leading his fighters in battle. neighbors said he looked tired.

>> secretary hagel is proud of everyone who planned and executed the operation. they took great risk to ensure the pledge that the united states will do whatever it takes to make sure justice comes to harming our citizens. >> reporter: they accused him of a number of offenses including providing support to terrorist and killing a person during an attack on a federal facility. he is on board a u.s. navy ship and he is being questioned and they say he is talking. he has been giving a history lesson on his group and we expect interrogators to spend as much time with them as they can as he sails to washington, d.c. and will be put on trial in u.s. district court. the republicans are saying the ship should be headed to guantanamo bay not washington, d.c. >> i would prefer him to go to guantanamo bay. this war isn't over.

but we are seeing a reversion back to the clinton administration where terrorist being treated like this. >> it is up to the president on how long he is going to be interrogated without a lawyer. hilary clinton spoke to greta and bret last night discussing the white house response to benghazi and other issues. and doubled down on the claim it was sparked by a video. >> there is no doubt terrorist are involved and i from the beginning and in my statements as, you know, and i write in the chapter, says these are attackers. we think we have a ring leader in custody but others were motivated because of their extremism and others came along

for the ride and maybe others were motivated by the video. >> ms. clinton stands by the testimony given to congress in 2013 and describes the missteps to quote fog the war. a firefighters disappears and what he was last seen doing and what is comp lcomplicating effort to find him. and new developments as we learn about the missing e-mails and get reaction from lawmakers about the irs scandal. ask we want to hear from you. do you think hilary clinton answered the questions being asked? go to our website and answer the poll. poll.

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hike out and tell the police the buddy was missing. 30 high school juniors caught cheating on their final exam in detroit. the class was force today retake the exam and the school is skill considering other punishments. >> all got on a? too tough tbelieve. new calls for a special prosecutor in the irs scandal after more details emerge about the loss e-mail from lois lerner. and mike emanual is libe with more on this story. mike? >> with new hearings starting friday on the irs investigation, top republicans like john boehner are demanding answers. >> the president said there would be full cooperation and

now we find out the e-mails are lost and they have known since february they were lost. it is time for the administration to come clean and be honest and truthful to the american people. >> commissioner john will face questions about two plus years of irs e-mails and why he didn't tell top lawmakers thousands were missing. >> they have a lot of explaining to do and this is a serious matter and hopefully the president will approve the special prosecutor to get to the bottom of this. >> the top democrat on the ways and means committee says quote if is unlucky the irs equipment failure resulted in the crashes and the e-mails being lost but

every equipment failure isn't a conspiracy. lois lerner is the official at the center of the probe look into the targeting of the groups. she has refused to answer questions so her e-mail is critical. the senate majority leaderer isn't jumping into conclusion. >> senator hatch is looking into this and that is what we should do. >> in this case he is not saying this is partisan politic and that is worth noting. >> dually noted. critics are blasting the president for his handling of the crisis in iraq including dick cheney and what he think should be done and the iraq crisis is making a dent in your

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opt-ed in the wall street journal blasting obama's foreign policy. he wrote quote rarely has a u.s. president been wrong about the expense of many. he told us he was ending the wars in iraq and afghanistan as though wishing made it so. his rhetoric is now crashing into reality. watching the jihadist take over is final prove american enemies are not dead but embolded and on the march. >> charry and whizly are here. charley, what do you think about the vice president? >> dick cheney isn't the most poplar guy in the world or a soft and cuddling guy but he is

serious and studied this for a long time. it is hard to argue with what we are seeing on the ground in iraq. it is a nightmare that was made whether you agree with the war in iraq or not all of the gains and accomplishments are being lost in a matter of days. our worst enemies are taking over, whether you like the war or not, they were allies and it was our toe hold in the middle east and it appears we will lose control of iraq's largest oil field or our allies. this is a result of untold ramifications and president obama allies are going to have a

hard time defending against the attack. >> it is the case that after the surge the swath of the iraq that is now under control of isis forces was peaceful and al qaeda was decimated. >> this stems back to the inability of president obama and president bush. a lot of the talk coming to obama is about the failure to leave troops there and behind. and while i think people on both sides of the aisle believe we should have intelligence service and some presence, there is a debate on whether obama even had the option to keep the troops behind. the president in iraq didn't agree to an agreement that would have allowed us to keep troops. it is hard with foreign policy, especially in the middle east to get this into our day-to-day

polit politics with winners and losers and ups and downs. this is stretching the foreign policy of multiple presidents. so it isn't surprising, but like i said it is hard to fit this into the partisan molds. >> the american people are offering talk of their own. 37% approve of the president's handling of foreign policy. that is on all-time low in this survey. 57% disapprove and that is an all-time high and we have fox news polls that pretty much echo those numbers. >> yeah, i think as chuck todd at msnbc it is an indication the president's term is over. it is devastating and i think president obama has no one to blame but himself for these

problems and i would argue that you know, the situation in iraq, has a lot more to do with it just than our policy with that country. it has to do with the broader policies that our enemies abroad don't take us seriously and don't think we have the fortitude to stick it out for any meaningful goal and they are taking advantage of that. >> wesley, i know you have been critical of former vice president dick cheney saying the intelligence in iraq was wrong about weapons of mass destruction, but how are those lines different from president obama saying the tide of war is receding and al qaeda is decimated and on the run? >> well, i think they are not and that is the greater point here. foreign policy is messy and bigger than ups and downs.

and in politics we love to make it one or the other but in foreign policy it doesn't work that way. there is a deeper issue with what vice president cheney was writing in opt-ed. a colleague wrote about this is a resurgeance of hawkish on the right. this is written for the rand paul proud as it is to talk about obama and mobalize and double down on the republican sentiment. there is not a same appetite for the hawkish policy like during the bush era. so of course vice president cheney is criticizing president obama's foreign policy, but this is as much a message to other republicans saying as the republican party moderates this

isn't surprising to see someone like cheney coming out saying we need to remain a stronger military presence in the world. >> two washington post reporters there. thank you both. a big story along the southern border with young illegal immigrants flooding into the united states and not looking to evade but hoping to be caught. border patrol officials are overwhelmed and we will hear their side next. and an entire community nearly wiped after the map after powerful tornados wiped out a town. how the people are pick up to pieces today. pieces today. vo: david's heart attack didn't come with a warning. today his doctor has him on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one. if you've had a heart attack be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen.

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>> a small town picking up the pieces after powerful twin tornadoes tore through nebraska at the same time leaving two people dead including a little five-year-old girl nearly wiping entire community off the map in the process. mike tobin' is live on the scene in breast a. reporter: what a difference a day makes. just over my shoulder you can see the power crews back on scene. putting on a power pole in the ground reestablish electricity to some of these towns that lost electricity during the storm. volunteers coming in from all over nebraska. local minard sent people, tysons

food is cooking food. they are sifting through the debris salvaging the mementos of their life making good on this process to put the decimated town back on the map. >> we will get it done. they will build it back. these people are strong, they are very strong. >> doing it with a threat of severe w two tornadoes swarmed up about an hour north of here and today a thunderstorm with the threat of hail. back to you in new york.

jon: thank you. jenna: now the growing crisis as hundreds of illegal immigrants cross into the country every day and people confronting this issue directly are often prohibited from talking to reporters. now giving their take on what is actually happening. the spokesman for the national border patrol council, a lead union for border patrol in our country. how is it impacting border patrol agents and their ability to do their job? >> our agents are overwhelmed. half of them are doing what is termed as processing, taking care of the paperwork for this flood of humanity that has inundated the rio grande valley. the other half of the agents dealing with people surrendering to them and we believe that is what the cartels are looking to do, looking to control this and exploit it to their own

financial gain with whoever, whatever they want right behind these groups because border but for agents are unavailable to respond. jenna: i'm glad you brought that up. he was able to shoot some video showing what you just described. these two women from guatemala stood on the side of the road waiting for border patrol to come pick them up. we have video of border patrol doing just that. focus on people who want to be caught, how does that impact their ability to go out and get the bad guys? >> it takes away our manpower. there are groups still getting around us, acting covertly, attempting to avoid border patrol units in the field, so it is a major concern because we don't know who they are, what they are carrying or what their

intent once they get here is. >> what to the border patrol agents need to help with this problem? >> the biggest thing is the policy of releasing juvenile and family groups. the word is out in central america and this is disgraceful. we should be ashamed we circumvented our laws and now we have tens of thousands of people on the way to this country to try to exploit our system and we will not be able to get a handle on it until we start detaining everyone setting them up for deportation. jenna: while we wait to see if that happens, one of the other things john roberts is showing us his folks getting on the back of jet skis to get across the rio grande without really being caught. they get to the other side sometimes they are caught, sometimes they are not because so many people are coming at one

time. what about manpower, what about simple resources? what stops this more immediately? >> we don't have all our agents doing law enforcement duties, they're doing duties to care for these people in the border patrol stations and our stations are not long-term facilities, people should not be held there for more than a few days but they are being held so agents are having to cook for them, take care of babies and it is a real problem, so not having a manpower in the field at a time like this exacerbates the situation. this could happen in any of the border patrol sectors, customs and border protection is limiting the amount of time they are able to work so we don't have the full staffing in every sector as we should.

jenna: why is that happening, especially now? >> they do not have the money to pay for full staffing as we did prior to sequestration so they decided instead of cutting technology or cutting any other areas they have decided to cut salary as part of the expenses so border patrol sectors amid the mode of time agents can work and that goes against everything we have said in terms of our national strategy. if we are going to deter people from coming into this country and number one deterrent is border patrol agents. jenna: we look forward to having you back and hope to continue to follow as we don't expect a flood of families coming into the country anytime soon. thank you very much for your time today. jon: disgraceful his word for what is going on. jenna: vice president joe biden

is opposed to be meeting with some of these leaders to talk about why the message is getting out the united states will take some of these children and keep them trying to change the message but that is the reality of what is happening. it is difficult to change the message. jon: it is a huge problem down there. jenna: sometimes three or four coming across the border. jon: we're going to talk what how the crisis in iraq is driving the prices up just as the summer travel season pickup. in south florida, he said day for wine lovers. how this happened coming up next. replace your laptop?

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at the top of the hour. jon: i was a big fan of dodgeball, yoga would not do it for me. we will be watching. jenna: there hamstring would be much better off if that were the case. we're going to turn back to one of our big stories of the day, the crisis in iraq. escalating violence in the area, and because of that terrace are attacking the largest oil refinery. all of that news is driving up gas prices and w we're seeing tt very much domestically. dagen mcdowell is here with me on that. >> the good news is oil prices are actually down today below $106 per barrel. that doesn't mean the situation in iraq isn't dire and could have consequences here in the united states. the average is $3.60 per gallon.

$0.36 per gallon o up about $0.2 from a month ago. some analysts think the gas prices could hit a high for the year so far about $3.70 per gallon. just based on the move up in oil prices. much of iraq's oil production capacity is in the southern part of the country. and it has not been touched so far. much of the exports come from the southern part of the country. jenna, i must point out the united states is in the best position we've been in literally decades to at least deal with a supply shock should something more dire happen. we are producing more oil, petroleum products an then we haven't 44 years. we produced more than we even import now. we import more oil from canada than we do all opec. iraq is a critical oil supplier in the world, seventh-largest in fact, but we are doing okay considering. jenna: that is really important context to consider.

we are watching the crisis zero kerr and you see the oil prices with some reaction, and here we are, the higher temperatures, normally gas prices go up and one wonders how it all goes together. >> when gas prices go up to reduce a huge spike in gas prices, oil prices went up $30 per barrel in five months so we could be in for a shock, but when gas prices and other consumer prices go up, that is a big tax hitting lower income americans even harder. consumer prices running at the fastest pace in more than a year, and we talk about this if you include beef, chicken and fish altogether at a record high. i know you are partial to bacon, we talked about that on this show. those are things that hopefully can be reversed and the beef

prices with a drought. all of these things together, it hurts everybody. jenna: something we will continue to watch and see. some of the other things he mentioned, drought or example really takes priority. good to see you as always. jon: big news in the nfl as the u.s. patent office issues a controversial decision on the washington redskins. what does the patent office have to do with the redskins? it could have the big implications for the team moving forward. and digging deeper into the irs scandal, what happens if those lost e-mails were intentionally destroyed? okay, listen up! i'm re-workin' the menu.

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jenna: we have some new video of what is a border patrol facility that is not set up to house children but has been turned into a makeshift dormitory because of the flood as immigrant children coming across the border from central america. in texas about 500 children are being held here. a lot of concern of the conditions of some of these kids. they go to these traditional centers and are then sent to relatives if they can find one in the united states where they can later be watched by immigration. we are told to show up for a court date. you can see how the children are in these rooms, there are so many of them we are trying to figure out what to do next with some of them. new video, we haven't seen that at all, only pictures and imag

images' knockout that were not supposed to be taken. this is new video into the newsroom. jon: a sad, sad story all around. a big decision from the u.s. patent office today with the trial and appeals board ruling the washington redskins name is "disparaging of native america americans" and the trademarks for that name must now be cancelled. here to discuss all that, rich edson from washington. >> the trade-off says they can continue using the name. the team will likely appeal the decision even if it loses its legal challenges, the petitioners establishment with the term redskins was disparaging of native americans in accordance with applicable law the federal registrations for the redskins trademarks involved in this proceeding must be cancelled. if that holds the appeal process, the decision to prevent the redskins from defending their name in federal court

which means anybody can sell redskins gear and they would have no protection putting them at a competitive disadvantage with the other nfl teams that have that protection. there is political pressures to change their name especially in the u.s. senate, senate majority leader and others change the name, talking about it on the senate floor today. the team has lost his trademark protection at least for now. they say the team is privately owned and if it were truly offensive fans would boycott the games and not by gear. jenna: hillary clinton sat down and we want to hear from you, do you think the former center estate answer the questions asked of her? click on america's asking to join the conversation.

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